Anybody out there play Fighters Anthology?
David Perry
Hi there,
I just bought Jane's Fighter's Anthology and I am a little anxious to
play it (ot Mechwarrior 2) against someone over the I-Net. I'd like to
get into a discussion about the qualuty of this game too, I see its
strengths (over 100 aircraft!) and its weaknesses (like its cartoonish
representation of the aircraft in a dogfight, makes me think of Wing
Commander). Landing on the carrier is also very fake. I also don't
like the fact that planes like the F-15 have very limited weapons
carrying capability, while the F-18 can carry the world. Overall, I
think Falcon 4.0 will be better, if its ever released. Does anyone have
any real good sims out there and would like to share their opinion?
BTW, is there an alt site that covers this genre?
Dave Perry
Yannick Fournier
Hi Dave !
I agree with you for the lack of realism of FA, personally I've USNF and ATF
NATO Fighters. But you have a lot of a/c and weapons, and can concentrate on
the dogfight rather than on acceding the right panel for changing the radar
mode...
Try this URL : http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/1588/
and this newsgroup : comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim
Yannick
Martin Rosenkranz
>David Perry schrieb in Nachricht <34F249...@communique.net>...
>Landing on the carrier is also very fake.
Fake ? I have land a Saab Draken on a Aircraftcarrier !!!
Jarmo Lindberg
Martin Rosenkranz wrote:
As I said, don't try this at home :-)
--
Jarmo Lindberg
Fighter Squadron 21: http://www.mil.fi/ftrsqn21/
Fighter Tactics Academy: http://www.sci.fi/~fta/welcome.htm
JHAREK
>Overall, I think Falcon 4.0 will be better, if its ever released. Does anyone
have any real good sims out there and would like to share their opinion? BTW,
is there an alt site that covers this genre?>>
A company called Duosoft has a toolkit for FA that allows you to alter the
aircraft, make new weapons, change paint schemes, etc. You have to have ATF
Gold to use it for now, an FA only version will be out sometime this next month
I believe. The thing I love about FA is the variety of aircraft (realism is
close enough for most), mission builder, quick mission creator, and of cours
multi-player. The toolkit makes the game even better, and will most likely be
played for years where most fall into dust.
David Heller
Simon H. Lee
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've
constructed, jha...@aol.com (JHAREK)...
There's also a nice patch that rearranges many features for
realism, for FA and the other Jane's Fighters series--run a Web search for
"The Vark Den."
Martin Rosenkranz
Jarmo Lindberg schrieb in Nachricht <34F30B67...@sci.fi>...
>> Fake ? I have land a Saab Draken on a Aircraftcarrier !!!
>
> As I said, don't try this at home :-)
We dont have aircraftcarriers ( danube is to small ! ) and Zeltweg and
Thalerhof are great enough for our Draken
On FA i shoot down any MiG-21 with the Draken, Finnland was operating both
types.
Is in real the MiG-21 or the Draken the better Fighter ?
Regards
http://www.inode.at/maro107/
Jarmo Lindberg
Martin Rosenkranz wrote:
They are both excellent fighters :-)
Fighter Squadron 21 ceased the Saab 35 Draken operations last October. You can
see the photos of the last Draken formation at:
http://www.mil.fi/ftrsqn21/dkfinal.htm
Finnish Air Force will cease the MiG-21BIS flight operations on Saturday the
7th of March. You cand find a lot of MiG images at:
http://www.sci.fi/~fta/photo.htm
Fighter Symposium '98: http://www.sci.fi/~fta/fisympos.htm
JanK
> Does anyone have
> any real good sims out there and would like to share their opinion?
Maybe game called "su-27 flanker" made by SSI. Current version is 1.5
for win95 and as long as I know it is not available for any other platform.
I liked the game very much - powerful mission editor, quite high reality
level,
satisfactory graphics and network capability. And it's russian !
Also there is promised to be a new version during summer 98, check the url
(http://www.ssionline.com/games/su27_20/index.html).
Grahpics preview pics are amazing !!!
CuteyPaws
I have exactly the thing you need to make FA much more realistic. It's a
"library" file that changes the flight characteristics of the planes and
introduces such basic elements that were missing in the original FA such as
speed bleed, proper sustained and instantaneous turn rates for each aircraft as
well as proper angels of attack. Planes now no longer turn on a dime and
behave as if they were based on UFO technology. Carrier landings as with
landings in general are more realistic as well, nose up approches and landings
can now be made. In fact, the author did such a good job the modeling of the
F16 reminded me a lot of Falcon 3.0 if not better!
Just go to http://exo.com/~gregoryp and download the file, then unzip into your
FA folder. A few notes of caution: Apparently the computer AI wasn't designed
to fight with planes that bleed speed so when you play against AI planes you
will discover they fly like dunces... However, something like you in an F15
vs. an AI su35 is still very challenging. Also if you play online with another
player the other player must also have the same version of the library file
installed or chances are either the game will crash, or you will be at a big
dissadvantage due to the realistic flight modeling on your side.
If you ever need to revert back to the original game just move the library file
to another folder and move it back when you need it again. You'll probably
loath to fly without it however as I am these days. (g)
Tony Lin
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>From: David Perry <vi...@communique.net>
>Date: Mon, Feb 23, 1998 23:17 EST
>Message-id: <34F249...@communique.net>
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>Hi there,
>
> I just bought Jane's Fighter's Anthology and I am a little anxious to
>play it (ot Mechwarrior 2) against someone over the I-Net. I'd like to
>get into a discussion about the qualuty of this game too, I see its
>strengths (over 100 aircraft!) and its weaknesses (like its cartoonish
>representation of the aircraft in a dogfight, makes me think of Wing
>Commander). Landing on the carrier is also very fake. I also don't
>like the fact that planes like the F-15 have very limited weapons
>carrying capability, while the F-18 can carry the world. Overall, I
>think Falcon 4.0 will be better, if its ever released. Does anyone have
>any real good sims out there and would like to share their opinion?
>BTW, is there an alt site that covers this genre?
>
>Dave Perry
>
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C.C. Jordan
On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:17:47 -0600, David Perry <vi...@communique.net> wrote:
>Hi there,
>
> I just bought Jane's Fighter's Anthology and I am a little anxious to
>play it (ot Mechwarrior 2) against someone over the I-Net. I'd like to
>get into a discussion about the qualuty of this game too, I see its
>strengths (over 100 aircraft!) and its weaknesses (like its cartoonish
>representation of the aircraft in a dogfight, makes me think of Wing
>Commander). Landing on the carrier is also very fake. I also don't
>like the fact that planes like the F-15 have very limited weapons
>carrying capability, while the F-18 can carry the world. Overall, I
>think Falcon 4.0 will be better, if its ever released. Does anyone have
>any real good sims out there and would like to share their opinion?
>BTW, is there an alt site that covers this genre?
>
>Dave Perry
>
>
I have Navy Fighters somewhere in my software collection. I recall that
the graphics were awful and the it was impossible to set up a proper approach
to the carrier (nose down attitude is required in the sim). I did not enjoy the
sim one bit.
If you have an interest in WWII fighters, Air Warrior III has excellent
flight models and terrific 3D graphics. You will need at least a 166 MMX
processor and a 4 meg video card for 3D flight. A 2 meg card is the minimum
for 2D. Better have at least 32 megs of RAM too. The manufacturer claims
a 133 pentium is the minimal CPU for this sim. Don't believe it, a 166 MMX
barely maintains adequate frame rate. You can fly online free at the Air Warrior
III beta site at www.bigweek.com, or you can use Gamestorm, the software
for which is included with Air Warrior III. The Beta site closes on March 2nd,
so you better hurry !
Best regards,
C.C. Jordan
JHAREK
>If you have an interest in WWII fighters, Air Warrior III has excellent flight
models and terrific 3D graphics. >>
excellent? Yeah right. They don't even have the weaponry modeled correctly.
David Heller
C.C. Jordan
What weaponry???????
There's only machine guns and cannon.
What are you looking for, wing gun convergence?
Be a little more specific as what you believe is not modeled
correctly.
Regards,
C.C. Jordan
"Passion and prejudice govern the world; only
under the name of reason".
John Wesley
http://www.Aerodyne-controls.com
Aerodyne Controls Corporation: A division of Circle Seal Controls.
Yannick Fournier
C.C. Jordan
On Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:03:21 +0100, "Yannick Fournier"
<yannick....@deckpoint.ch> wrote:
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>Hey, I don't agree when you say that a nose down attitude is required =
>for a carrier landing.
>
>It is one of the first military simulator which allowed that.
Microprose got it right as early as 1987 with their ancient "F-19 Stealth
Fighter" sim for the Commodore 64. The approach was made with about
11 degrees nose high attitude.
>Go back to USNF, ATF or FA and try to make a carrier approach with the =
>nose at 20=B0 up ! At 140 kts it should be possible with an F/A-18. Tell =
>me after that if you still cannot land as I said...
I was talking about Navy Fighters. It was designed for use with a 486 machine.
USNF requires a Pentium. I'm sure they fixed the nose down configuration.
Set a 20 degree nose up condition in Navy Fighters, and the aircraft simply
climbs. I don't have the sims you mentioned, therefore I can't attempt your
suggestion.
>
>Yannick
ch1...@earthlink.net
David Perry wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I just bought Jane's Fighter's Anthology and I am a little anxious to
> play it (ot Mechwarrior 2) against someone over the I-Net. I'd like to
> get into a discussion about the qualuty of this game too, I see its
> strengths (over 100 aircraft!) and its weaknesses (like its cartoonish
> representation of the aircraft in a dogfight, makes me think of Wing
> Commander). Landing on the carrier is also very fake. I also don't
> like the fact that planes like the F-15 have very limited weapons
> carrying capability, while the F-18 can carry the world. Overall, I
> think Falcon 4.0 will be better, if its ever released. Does anyone have
> any real good sims out there and would like to share their opinion?
> BTW, is there an alt site that covers this genre?
>
> Dave Perry
Hey Dave,
I can't take you up on an offer of INet play (my 486 and modem both
choke:( but will say that I /truly/ enjoyed my ATF/NATO Fighters and
only wish that FA had stayed outside of W95 where it's 'background'
environment didn't make me lose out on further upgrades.
Two Options For Your Weapons/Play problems:
'The Wild Bunch'
An AOL located page based on a 'TFW Format' with subsquadrons and
flights. ALL KINDS of expert sim-players out there and a 'ladder
system' of personal ATF duelmanship too.
Since I got off of Compuserve I can no longer recommend their page
address but they are probably netsearch findable. Say hello to 'Bear'
for me!:)
'ATF Toolkit'
Another AOL page wherein a guy by the name of David Maschino did a
modification pack for just about every aero-graphic-sensor-ECM-
weaponload aspect of the game. You can download a sample version with
the ability to modify just two parameters of any given system or icon
and then send him a check for $25.00 and receive an 'activation code'
for infinite further modding (errrr, until there IS an upper threshold
limit which messed with my 'ultimate ATF' attempt to 'realisticate'
everything...:`(.
Again, I /don't/ have this address anymore but the WB crew can help you
find him and if necessary get back to me with a valid EML listing and
I'll send you his snail-mail address I used for the registration fee.
Best Luck
JHAREK
>There's only machine guns and cannon.
>What are you looking for, wing gun convergence?
Proper Calibres, ammo types,,,etc. It matters quite a bit when the planes you
are flying carry nothing but guns for Air to Air combat. German aircraft were
notorious Gun Tubs, Allied planes didn't have the same priorities.
David Heller
C.C. Jordan
I'm still not sure what it was that you expected. The sim should be flown in the
"ace" mode. This will allow for several factors, one of them being the
effectiveness of the guns. It also allows for an accurate flight model of each
aircraft. Departure characteristics, stall buffeting, stiffening controls at
high speed are but a few of the effects. The aerial marksmanship required of the
sim pilot is reasonably accurate in the "ace" mode as well.
While Luftwaffe fighters were generally armed with cannon, this was in
accordance with their mission of killing heavy bombers. The U.S. relied
on the ageless Browning .50 cal. heavy MG. This fit their mission just fine.
The only American fighter to employ 20 mm cannon ( deployed in worthwhile
numbers ) was the P-38. It had only one. However, it was grouped in the nose
with 4 .50's concentrated within a 30 inch circle. This means, if you bring one
gun to bear, they all bear on the target. Very effective.
We could debate the priorities various air forces applied to fighter armament,
however, that is another thread.
The sim adjusts for each aircraft and it's battery of MG's and/or cannon.
Try flying a Ki-43 against P-40E types. It takes nearly the entire ammo load
to kill the P-40. Why ? Because the Ki-43 has only two rifle caliber MG's.
As far as differing ammo types, it would hardly make any difference in this
instance. Besides, this would consume a substantial amount of memory, and
to what clearly defined purpose?
I found the gunnery effects in AWIII to be as good as most sims if not better.
I suppose it is a matter of personal preference as to whether one is satisfied
or not. Certainly there are some things in AWIII that I find lacking (the rather
poor flight modeling of the P-47 for example), but taken as a whole, it is a
well executed simulation/game.
Regards,
C.C. Jordan
"Passion and prejudice govern the world; only
under the name of reason".
John Wesley
http://www.Aerodyne-controls.com
Aerodyne Controls Corporation: A division of Circle Seal Corporation.
Corsair
SU-27 is very good, and very detailed as well. There will be a new sim
out very shortly (end of March) by Jane's Combat Simulations based on
the F-15E. It will be Veeeeeeery realistic. For more information you can
visit www.f-15.com.
JanK wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have
> > any real good sims out there and would like to share their opinion?
>
> Maybe game called "su-27 flanker" made by SSI. Current version is 1.5
> for win95 and as long as I know it is not available for any other platform.
> I liked the game very much - powerful mission editor, quite high reality
> level,
> satisfactory graphics and network capability. And it's russian !
>
> Also there is promised to be a new version during summer 98, check the url
> (http://www.ssionline.com/games/su27_20/index.html).
> Grahpics preview pics are amazing !!!
--
Corsair
The "Jolly Rogers" Past & Present
www.interlog.com/~vf84
Josh Pusillo
Hey if anyone out there wants to try their hand at multiplayer FA go to this
site:
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arcade/5744/vfw_main.html
It is an on-line fighter wing that flies regularly.