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a425couple
Apr 12, 2021, 1:16:40 PM4/12/21
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Interesting enough, for whatever it's worth.
Roxolan Tonix
Updated March 26
Lived in Soviet Union
How has life in Russia changed since the war in Ukraine and the
annexation of Crimea?
Hard to believe we are in the 7th year now, but a lot has happened in
Russia since:
Moscow has spent 1.5 trillion taxpayer rubles on subsidies to Crimea.
Standard of living in Russia has declined by 11%.
Foreign exchange value of the ruble more than halved.
Economic growth has been at a near standstill while the global economy
advanced by 19%.
The retirement age was raised by 5 years for men and 8 years for women.
The levels of social discord and government repressions have
significantly increased.
3 million people have emigrated from Russia, and as you can imagine, not
the stupidest ones.
International sanctions have denied access to advanced technologies,
halting a number of ongoing commercial and military projects.
318 billion dollars of capital outflow left the Russian economy —
official stats of the central bank.
Putin changed the constitution to remain in power indefinitely.
Russia failed to grasp the indispensable value of trust, cooperation and
participation in the global economy necessary to remain on the cutting
edge, and took the imperialist turn toward a dead end.
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Mindaugas Danys
March 26
thanks, for a great answer!
William Wyllie
March 27
An accurate assessment of how extensive the damage Putin has caused to
his country’s economy and to the citizens of The Russian Federation as a
consequence of annexing Crimea.
Alarsso Alarsso
March 29
There is a big mistake to call reunion Crimea and Russia as annexation.
Only people who never been to Crimea could use such a stupid definition.
Crimea always belong to Russia since XVIII century. Vladimir Lenin
commit crime, organized coup and got power. He “invented” the Ukraine
and since then this joke country showed up. The coup was not legal
therefore we have to cancel all communist inventions including the Ukraine
Henrik Nordlund
Thu
You know of course that Lenin did not “invent" Ukraine. He merely
acknowedged the facts on the ground which was, and still are, that there
really exist a Ukrainian nation. Although most of the time not a
Ukrainian state. That nation is closely related to the Russian nation
with a lot of shared history since when the ukrainian kozachs came under
the domination of the Russian czar for various reasons some 300 years
ago. But it is distinct from each other.
That is exactly why the Soviet Union was set up the way it was — with
national republics which each had the right to seceed. That is why the
USSR was not just some vague socialist thing.
Yurii Darakchiev
March 29
Absolutely true, plus there has never been such thing as a Ukrainian
state, kings, history etc. This is all make-believe that counts on
ignorance. Beggars belief how gullible people can be. For instance,
there’s a quasi state and nation on the Balkans, of which modern Ukraine
is a sad replica, who, contrary to all imaginable facts, historical
sources, accounts etc., stubbornly believe in a fake identity.
Obviously, same goes in “Ukraine”. Tavistock stocial engineering at its
worst.
Will Morgan
March 26
I fear that Russian people have resigned themselves to accepting that
they have no measure of control of country direction. Putin had become
an anchor on a Russia.
It will only change if Putin steps down.
William Lebotschy
March 25
Putin knew they would have to pay subsidies to crimeans for as long as
they stay. It's just a military cost of having a warm water port. Less
important, now that Russia has a permanent port in Syria, as long as
they prop up the current regime. P.S. There is a bridge from perch to
the mainland. Oh and Putin has his mansion on the Black Sea for
retirement, and he can drink his Crimean wine and live the life of an
enormously rich ex dictator.
Janne Tapio
March 28
“Retired dictators” isn't really a thing… In my opinion it's unlikely
that Putin could retire some day with peace of mind. That's why he isn't
going to, which became very apparent in the recent constitution change.
Nicholas Sampsidis
March 26
“Perch”? Perhaps, you mean the port of Kerch? The “mansion” propaganda
film of Navalny has been exposed, which has discredited Navalny forever.
It’s amusing to note the extent to which you are a victim of the West’s
propaganda.
Roxolan Tonix
Updated March 26
Lived in Soviet Union
How has life in Russia changed since the war in Ukraine and the
annexation of Crimea?
Hard to believe we are in the 7th year now, but a lot has happened in
Russia since:
Moscow has spent 1.5 trillion taxpayer rubles on subsidies to Crimea.
Standard of living in Russia has declined by 11%.
Foreign exchange value of the ruble more than halved.
Economic growth has been at a near standstill while the global economy
advanced by 19%.
The retirement age was raised by 5 years for men and 8 years for women.
The levels of social discord and government repressions have
significantly increased.
3 million people have emigrated from Russia, and as you can imagine, not
the stupidest ones.
International sanctions have denied access to advanced technologies,
halting a number of ongoing commercial and military projects.
318 billion dollars of capital outflow left the Russian economy —
official stats of the central bank.
Putin changed the constitution to remain in power indefinitely.
Russia failed to grasp the indispensable value of trust, cooperation and
participation in the global economy necessary to remain on the cutting
edge, and took the imperialist turn toward a dead end.
59.8K viewsView 546 upvotesView shares
Mindaugas Danys
March 26
thanks, for a great answer!
William Wyllie
March 27
An accurate assessment of how extensive the damage Putin has caused to
his country’s economy and to the citizens of The Russian Federation as a
consequence of annexing Crimea.
Alarsso Alarsso
March 29
There is a big mistake to call reunion Crimea and Russia as annexation.
Only people who never been to Crimea could use such a stupid definition.
Crimea always belong to Russia since XVIII century. Vladimir Lenin
commit crime, organized coup and got power. He “invented” the Ukraine
and since then this joke country showed up. The coup was not legal
therefore we have to cancel all communist inventions including the Ukraine
Henrik Nordlund
Thu
You know of course that Lenin did not “invent" Ukraine. He merely
acknowedged the facts on the ground which was, and still are, that there
really exist a Ukrainian nation. Although most of the time not a
Ukrainian state. That nation is closely related to the Russian nation
with a lot of shared history since when the ukrainian kozachs came under
the domination of the Russian czar for various reasons some 300 years
ago. But it is distinct from each other.
That is exactly why the Soviet Union was set up the way it was — with
national republics which each had the right to seceed. That is why the
USSR was not just some vague socialist thing.
Yurii Darakchiev
March 29
Absolutely true, plus there has never been such thing as a Ukrainian
state, kings, history etc. This is all make-believe that counts on
ignorance. Beggars belief how gullible people can be. For instance,
there’s a quasi state and nation on the Balkans, of which modern Ukraine
is a sad replica, who, contrary to all imaginable facts, historical
sources, accounts etc., stubbornly believe in a fake identity.
Obviously, same goes in “Ukraine”. Tavistock stocial engineering at its
worst.
Will Morgan
March 26
I fear that Russian people have resigned themselves to accepting that
they have no measure of control of country direction. Putin had become
an anchor on a Russia.
It will only change if Putin steps down.
William Lebotschy
March 25
Putin knew they would have to pay subsidies to crimeans for as long as
they stay. It's just a military cost of having a warm water port. Less
important, now that Russia has a permanent port in Syria, as long as
they prop up the current regime. P.S. There is a bridge from perch to
the mainland. Oh and Putin has his mansion on the Black Sea for
retirement, and he can drink his Crimean wine and live the life of an
enormously rich ex dictator.
Janne Tapio
March 28
“Retired dictators” isn't really a thing… In my opinion it's unlikely
that Putin could retire some day with peace of mind. That's why he isn't
going to, which became very apparent in the recent constitution change.
Nicholas Sampsidis
March 26
“Perch”? Perhaps, you mean the port of Kerch? The “mansion” propaganda
film of Navalny has been exposed, which has discredited Navalny forever.
It’s amusing to note the extent to which you are a victim of the West’s
propaganda.
Oleg Smirnov
Apr 12, 2021, 4:28:05 PM4/12/21
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a425couple, <news:s51v9...@news2.newsguy.com>
> Hard to believe we are in the 7th year now, but a lot has happened in
> Russia since:
>
> Moscow has spent 1.5 trillion taxpayer rubles on subsidies to Crimea.
> Standard of living in Russia has declined by 11%.
That's a questionable assesment of "real income".
It's not what "standard of living" means.
> Foreign exchange value of the ruble more than halved.
Mainly due to the collapse of oil price in the 2014.
Then think about how is it consistent with the 11% figure.
> 3 million people have emigrated from Russia, and as you can imagine, not
> the stupidest ones.
3 million people is the total number of the Russian citizens
more or less permanently living abroad (which includes all of
them accumulated since the 1990s).
The number of those who move to work abroad is about 100,000
per year, which doesn't necessarily mean they move
permanently (and such figure is compatible with the share of
those who move to work abroad in many other countries,
including the major countries of western Europe, for example).
> Russia failed to grasp the indispensable value of trust,
Meat/poultry production has increased 1.5 times since 2013.
Number of homicides has decreased 1.6 times since 2013.
Life expectancy has increased by about 5% since 2013.
About 50 new stations of the Moscow subway have been dug.
The nice big bridge to Crimea has been built as well.
> Hard to believe we are in the 7th year now, but a lot has happened in
> Russia since:
>
> Moscow has spent 1.5 trillion taxpayer rubles on subsidies to Crimea.
> Standard of living in Russia has declined by 11%.
It's not what "standard of living" means.
> Foreign exchange value of the ruble more than halved.
Then think about how is it consistent with the 11% figure.
> 3 million people have emigrated from Russia, and as you can imagine, not
> the stupidest ones.
more or less permanently living abroad (which includes all of
them accumulated since the 1990s).
The number of those who move to work abroad is about 100,000
per year, which doesn't necessarily mean they move
permanently (and such figure is compatible with the share of
those who move to work abroad in many other countries,
including the major countries of western Europe, for example).
> Russia failed to grasp the indispensable value of trust,
Number of homicides has decreased 1.6 times since 2013.
Life expectancy has increased by about 5% since 2013.
About 50 new stations of the Moscow subway have been dug.
The nice big bridge to Crimea has been built as well.
SolomonW
Apr 13, 2021, 4:21:11 AM4/13/21
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growth performance is reasonable and looking at the comparsion with other
states in the region doing about as well.
https://ged-project.de/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2020/09/BST_Grafik_2_BlogPost-Globalisierung-EasternEuropa-20200814-MO-01-1024x963.jpg
a425couple
Apr 13, 2021, 1:05:44 PM4/13/21
to
On 4/12/2021 1:27 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> a425couple, <news:s51v9...@news2.newsguy.com>
>
>> Hard to believe we are in the 7th year now, but a lot has happened in
>> Russia since:
>>
>> Moscow has spent 1.5 trillion taxpayer rubles on subsidies to Crimea.
>> Standard of living in Russia has declined by 11%.
>
> That's a questionable assesment of "real income".
>
> It's not what "standard of living" means.
>
>> Foreign exchange value of the ruble more than halved.
>
> Mainly due to the collapse of oil price in the 2014.
>
> Then think about how is it consistent with the 11% figure.
>
So, Russia is a huge country, but just one product = oil,
> a425couple, <news:s51v9...@news2.newsguy.com>
>
>> Hard to believe we are in the 7th year now, but a lot has happened in
>> Russia since:
>>
>> Moscow has spent 1.5 trillion taxpayer rubles on subsidies to Crimea.
>> Standard of living in Russia has declined by 11%.
>
> That's a questionable assesment of "real income".
>
> It's not what "standard of living" means.
>
>> Foreign exchange value of the ruble more than halved.
>
> Mainly due to the collapse of oil price in the 2014.
>
> Then think about how is it consistent with the 11% figure.
>
has a huge influence on the entire economy. ?
> Life expectancy has increased by about 5% since 2013.
Health_in_Russia
Life expectancy — The average Russian life expectancy of 71.6 years at
birth is nearly 5 years shorter than the overall average figure for the
European Union, or the United States.
Life expectancy · Major health issues · Alcohol consumption · HIV/AIDS
Life expectancy elsewhere
Germany
80.89 years (2018)
United Kingdom
81.26 years (2018)
India
69.42 years (2018)
•United States 78.54 years
•Turkey 77.44 years
•Russia 72.66 years
a425couple
Apr 13, 2021, 1:07:45 PM4/13/21
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On 4/13/2021 1:21 AM, SolomonW wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:16:18 -0700, a425couple wrote:
>
>> Interesting enough, for whatever it's worth.
>>
>> Roxolan Tonix
>> Updated March 26
>> Lived in Soviet Union
>>
>> How has life in Russia changed since the war in Ukraine and the
>> annexation of Crimea?
>>
---------------------
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:16:18 -0700, a425couple wrote:
>
>> Interesting enough, for whatever it's worth.
>>
>> Roxolan Tonix
>> Updated March 26
>> Lived in Soviet Union
>>
>> How has life in Russia changed since the war in Ukraine and the
>> annexation of Crimea?
>>
>
> Looks like its both cherry picking the dates looking from 1990 Russia
> growth performance is reasonable and looking at the comparsion with other
> states in the region doing about as well.
>
> https://ged-project.de/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2020/09/BST_Grafik_2_BlogPost-Globalisierung-EasternEuropa-20200814-MO-01-1024x963.jpg
>
Yes, as I said earlier
> Looks like its both cherry picking the dates looking from 1990 Russia
> growth performance is reasonable and looking at the comparsion with other
> states in the region doing about as well.
>
> https://ged-project.de/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2020/09/BST_Grafik_2_BlogPost-Globalisierung-EasternEuropa-20200814-MO-01-1024x963.jpg
>
Oleg Smirnov
Apr 13, 2021, 1:37:16 PM4/13/21
to
a425couple, <news:s54iv...@news2.newsguy.com>
>
>
> Life expectancy elsewhere
> Germany 80.89 years ?(2018)
> United Kingdom 81.26 years ?(2018)
> India 69.42 years ?(2018)
>
> .United States 78.54 years
> ?
> .Turkey 77.44 years
> ?
> .Russia 72.66 years
The Russian indicators show a steadily positive dynamics regardless
of your desperate pink dreams about 'sanctions' etc, and that's the
point. American indicators, in turn, show steadily negative dynamics
in the recent years :) So, while you shit eaters are wanking, the US
steadily goes down whereas Russia steadily goes up.
> On 4/12/2021 1:27 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>> Hard to believe we are in the 7th year now, but a lot has happened in
>>> Russia since:
>>> Hard to believe we are in the 7th year now, but a lot has happened in
>>> Russia since:
>> Life expectancy has increased by about 5% since 2013.
>
> Health in Russia - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org > wiki >
> Health_in_Russia
> Life expectancy - The average Russian life expectancy of 71.6 years at birth
>
> Health in Russia - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org > wiki >
> Health_in_Russia
> is nearly 5 years shorter than the overall average figure for the European
> Union, or the United States.
> ?Life expectancy · ?Major health issues · ?Alcohol consumption · ?HIV/AIDS
> Union, or the United States.
>
>
> Life expectancy elsewhere
> Germany 80.89 years ?(2018)
> United Kingdom 81.26 years ?(2018)
> India 69.42 years ?(2018)
>
> .United States 78.54 years
> ?
> .Turkey 77.44 years
> ?
> .Russia 72.66 years
The Russian indicators show a steadily positive dynamics regardless
of your desperate pink dreams about 'sanctions' etc, and that's the
point. American indicators, in turn, show steadily negative dynamics
in the recent years :) So, while you shit eaters are wanking, the US
steadily goes down whereas Russia steadily goes up.
Byker
Apr 13, 2021, 6:28:15 PM4/13/21
to
"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:s54ksa$mqs$1...@os.motzarella.org...
>
> The Russian indicators show a steadily positive dynamics regardless of
> your desperate pink dreams about 'sanctions' etc, and that's the point.
> American indicators, in turn, show steadily negative dynamics in the
> recent years :) So, while you shit eaters are wanking, the US steadily
> goes down whereas Russia steadily goes up.
Another way that the Russkies are still trying to catch up to the West...
> The Russian indicators show a steadily positive dynamics regardless of
> your desperate pink dreams about 'sanctions' etc, and that's the point.
> American indicators, in turn, show steadily negative dynamics in the
> recent years :) So, while you shit eaters are wanking, the US steadily
> goes down whereas Russia steadily goes up.
a425couple
Apr 13, 2021, 11:02:00 PM4/13/21
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"American indicators, -- show steadily negative dynamics
in the recent years -- while you shit eaters are wanking"
----- "Russia steadily goes up"
from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
World Bank figures for 2019
United States $65,298
Germany $56,278
United Kingdom $48,698
Japan $43,236
Poland $34,431
Hungary $34,507
Russia $29,181
There is nothing inherently flawed with the Russian people
or the Russian country, But their corrupt leaders and system
have caused them to even fall behind those they beat in WWII
and their former satellite vassal states.
Talk about whistling stupidly while back floating
in a septic tank.
Oleg Smirnov
Apr 14, 2021, 12:15:58 AM4/14/21
to
a425couple, <news:s55lu...@news2.newsguy.com>
World Is Losing Faith in the US, Surveys Say <http://bloom.bg/2OMrJYx>
> On 4/13/2021 10:35 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> So our dear delusional Oleg says,
> "American indicators, -- show steadily negative dynamics
> in the recent years -- while you shit eaters are wanking"
> ----- "Russia steadily goes up"
Not just Oleg, but the whole world notices America goes down.
> So our dear delusional Oleg says,
> "American indicators, -- show steadily negative dynamics
> in the recent years -- while you shit eaters are wanking"
> ----- "Russia steadily goes up"
World Is Losing Faith in the US, Surveys Say <http://bloom.bg/2OMrJYx>
SolomonW
Apr 14, 2021, 5:03:10 AM4/14/21
to
On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:04:34 -0700, a425couple wrote:
> On 4/12/2021 1:27 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> a425couple, <news:s51v9...@news2.newsguy.com>
>>
>>> Hard to believe we are in the 7th year now, but a lot has happened in
>>> Russia since:
>>>
>>> Moscow has spent 1.5 trillion taxpayer rubles on subsidies to Crimea.
>>> Standard of living in Russia has declined by 11%.
>>
>> That's a questionable assesment of "real income".
>>
>> It's not what "standard of living" means.
>>
>>> Foreign exchange value of the ruble more than halved.
>>
>> Mainly due to the collapse of oil price in the 2014.
>>
>> Then think about how is it consistent with the 11% figure.
>>
>
> So, Russia is a huge country, but just one product = oil,
> has a huge influence on the entire economy. ?
Indeed, oil was a major factor in the fall of the USSR.
> On 4/12/2021 1:27 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> a425couple, <news:s51v9...@news2.newsguy.com>
>>
>>> Hard to believe we are in the 7th year now, but a lot has happened in
>>> Russia since:
>>>
>>> Moscow has spent 1.5 trillion taxpayer rubles on subsidies to Crimea.
>>> Standard of living in Russia has declined by 11%.
>>
>> That's a questionable assesment of "real income".
>>
>> It's not what "standard of living" means.
>>
>>> Foreign exchange value of the ruble more than halved.
>>
>> Mainly due to the collapse of oil price in the 2014.
>>
>> Then think about how is it consistent with the 11% figure.
>>
>
> So, Russia is a huge country, but just one product = oil,
> has a huge influence on the entire economy. ?
>
> > Life expectancy has increased by about 5% since 2013.
>
> Health in Russia - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki ›
> Health_in_Russia
> Life expectancy — The average Russian life expectancy of 71.6 years at
> birth is nearly 5 years shorter than the overall average figure for the
> European Union, or the United States.
> Life expectancy · Major health issues · Alcohol consumption · HIV/AIDS
>
>
> Life expectancy elsewhere
> Germany
> 80.89 years (2018)
> United Kingdom
> 81.26 years (2018)
> India
> 69.42 years (2018)
>
> •United States 78.54 years
>
> •Turkey 77.44 years
>
> •Russia 72.66 years
Today 73 years and improvement of 7 years.
>
Jim Wilkins
Apr 14, 2021, 12:38:37 PM4/14/21
to
"a425couple" wrote in message news:s55lu...@news2.newsguy.com...
.....
Putin's demand for respect if he can get it, or fear if he can't, has
defined (and poisoned) Russia's relationship with the West for many
centuries.
https://www.bbvaopenmind.com/en/articles/russia-and-europe/
.....
There is nothing inherently flawed with the Russian people
or the Russian country, But their corrupt leaders and system
have caused them to even fall behind those they beat in WWII
and their former satellite vassal states.
------------
or the Russian country, But their corrupt leaders and system
have caused them to even fall behind those they beat in WWII
and their former satellite vassal states.
Putin's demand for respect if he can get it, or fear if he can't, has
defined (and poisoned) Russia's relationship with the West for many
centuries.
https://www.bbvaopenmind.com/en/articles/russia-and-europe/
a425couple
Apr 14, 2021, 1:05:50 PM4/14/21
to
Very few are putting faith in Russia to do well.
Why does Russia continue to wallow in it's problems?
Why are the Polish doing better than Russians?
again:
So our dear delusional Oleg says,
"American indicators, -- show steadily negative dynamics
in the recent years -- while you shit eaters are wanking"
----- "Russia steadily goes up"
"American indicators, -- show steadily negative dynamics
in the recent years -- while you shit eaters are wanking"
----- "Russia steadily goes up"
from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
World Bank figures for 2019
United States $65,298
Germany $56,278
United Kingdom $48,698
Japan $43,236
Poland $34,431
Hungary $34,507
Russia $29,181
There is nothing inherently flawed with the Russian people
or the Russian country, But their corrupt leaders and system
have caused them to even fall behind those they beat in WWII
and their former satellite vassal states.
Talk about whistling stupidly while back floating
in a septic tank.
excerpted from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
World Bank figures for 2019
United States $65,298
Germany $56,278
United Kingdom $48,698
Japan $43,236
Poland $34,431
Hungary $34,507
Russia $29,181
There is nothing inherently flawed with the Russian people
or the Russian country, But their corrupt leaders and system
have caused them to even fall behind those they beat in WWII
and their former satellite vassal states.
Talk about whistling stupidly while back floating
in a septic tank.
http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/07/11/how-well-off-is-the-average-russian-anyway/
"Although prices in the commenter’s examples are roughly half in Russia
what they are in Europe, the GDP per capita comparison that he doesn’t
like is still a problem. Russia’s GDP per capita is about €9,650, while
GDP per capita in Germany is about €36,000 (Estonia is about €16,000 and
Hungary is about €11,200) (IMF). The average GDP per capita for the
Eurozone is €33,000. Even though prices in Russia might be half what
they are in Europe, the average Eurozone citizen’s purchasing power is
roughly three times higher. That €400 apartment would take half of the
average Russian’s monthly salary. After paying rent, a Subway sandwich a
day would take 30% of the average Russian’s remaining gross income per
month. The price of a sandwich might sound cheap, but it is not in
comparison with income. That cheap electricity presents another problem.
It is cheap because Russia has the third largest fossil fuel consumption
subsidies in the world, amounting to just over US$30 billion per year.
These subsidies drain the national budget and divert resources from more
productive economic uses, which slows economic growth and suppresses GDP
per capita.
There are other problems. Low domestic prices also reflect the low
quality of goods and services. The quality of housing, for instance, is
far below standards elsewhere in Europe. The proposal by Moscow’s mayor
to level thousands of apartments built during Stalin’s reign, many of
which are deemed uninhabitable, indicates the decrepit state of Russian
housing. That the mayor’s proposal has met with so much opposition
reflects a number of factors but includes low public confidence that
promised new housing will be of equal value or more attractive than what
is being replaced. Food standards are also lower. As much as 60% of
Russian-produced food is “poor quality, unsafe, or falsified”. Much of
it is of such low quality that it is not exportable—making it an
“un-tradable” good. The low—and declining—quality of education and
health services is a major concern for Russia, including not only the
low quality of the services provided but also low teacher and doctor
salaries.
The average Russian has been until now accepting of the level of prices
and low quality of basic goods and services because these have been
within reach of most of the population and because, while things could
be better, things could also be worse. This has contributed to the
average Russian’s complacency about economic conditions.
However, Russians today are under severe economic stress and for many
even cheap domestic goods and services are becoming unaffordable. The
Russian poverty rate reached almost 15% or nearly 22 million people last
year, up from 14 million in 2014, the highest number in a decade.
Growing protests indicate widespread dissatisfaction with material
welfare, and anecdotal evidence suggests Russians are under severe
economic stress. "
Byker
Apr 14, 2021, 1:55:16 PM4/14/21
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"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:s55q9s$dau$1...@os.motzarella.org...
a425couple, <news:s55lu...@news2.newsguy.com>
> On 4/13/2021 10:35 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
>> So our dear delusional Oleg says,
>> "American indicators, -- show steadily negative dynamics
>> in the recent years -- while you shit eaters are wanking"
>> ----- "Russia steadily goes up"
>
>Not just Oleg, but the whole world notices America goes down.
And when America goes down, so does the rest of the world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6dR8-0On4c
a425couple, <news:s55lu...@news2.newsguy.com>
> On 4/13/2021 10:35 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
>> So our dear delusional Oleg says,
>> "American indicators, -- show steadily negative dynamics
>> in the recent years -- while you shit eaters are wanking"
>> ----- "Russia steadily goes up"
>
>Not just Oleg, but the whole world notices America goes down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6dR8-0On4c
Byker
Apr 14, 2021, 2:30:07 PM4/14/21
to
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:s575qb$uvd$1...@dont-email.me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3C_5bsdQWg
>
> "a425couple" wrote in message news:s55lu...@news2.newsguy.com...
> .....
> There is nothing inherently flawed with the Russian people or the Russian
> country, But their corrupt leaders and system have caused them to even
> fall behind those they beat in WWII and their former satellite vassal
> states.
Russland has a geographical problem that it will NEVER shake:
> "a425couple" wrote in message news:s55lu...@news2.newsguy.com...
> .....
> There is nothing inherently flawed with the Russian people or the Russian
> country, But their corrupt leaders and system have caused them to even
> fall behind those they beat in WWII and their former satellite vassal
> states.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3C_5bsdQWg
Keith Willshaw
Apr 15, 2021, 2:57:21 PM4/15/21
to
Finland, Latvia, Lithuania etc. Its cultural, the Russians admire strong
leaders even whe they are brutal, millions mourned Stalin, Ivan the
Terrible etc. Democracy is seepel embedded in the pysche of western
europe and North America, that is not true of Russia.
Byker
Apr 15, 2021, 4:17:29 PM4/15/21
to
"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message news:s5a2af$brd$1...@dont-email.me...
"Russia is not America and can never be. Let
Russia be Russia and America be America."
-- Gen. Alexander Lebed, in his autobiography:
https://www.amazon.com/General-Alexander-Lebed-Life-Country/dp/0895264226
I'll go with that...
Russia be Russia and America be America."
-- Gen. Alexander Lebed, in his autobiography:
https://www.amazon.com/General-Alexander-Lebed-Life-Country/dp/0895264226
I'll go with that...
Stephen Harding
Apr 15, 2021, 6:44:51 PM4/15/21
to
in the late 70's and early 80's, the one thing that most impressed me
about Russians was their ability to suffer!
They can tolerate conditions (physical and mental) that would have us
Americans and I think Western Europeans as well, crying like babies in
short time.
I think Russia could be quite a nation if they let loose the creative
drive that exists in its people. Just always seems suppressed by either
some authoritarian or ubiquitous corruption, and usually it seems, both.
But it's true; the Russians do seem to admire powerful leadership even
if it turns brutal on them.
Jim Wilkins
Apr 15, 2021, 7:49:46 PM4/15/21
to
"Byker" wrote in message
news:k7mdnQkuN7fMAuX9...@earthlink.com...
----------------------------
We haven't tried to turn conquered nations into copies of America. The
government we leave them with is usually whatever democratic institution
they had previously, often a version of the British Parliament. Japan even
retained the Emperor.
news:k7mdnQkuN7fMAuX9...@earthlink.com...
We haven't tried to turn conquered nations into copies of America. The
government we leave them with is usually whatever democratic institution
they had previously, often a version of the British Parliament. Japan even
retained the Emperor.
Oleg Smirnov
Apr 15, 2021, 7:59:26 PM4/15/21
to
Jim Wilkins, <news:s5ajeo$ltb$1...@dont-email.me>
> "Byker" wrote in message
> We haven't tried to turn conquered nations into copies of America. The
> government we leave them with is usually whatever democratic institution
> they had previously, often a version of the British Parliament. Japan even
> retained the Emperor.
You are sheep who'd repeat what your minders indoctrinated you with.
And when these sheep say "we", it sounds funny.
> "Byker" wrote in message
> We haven't tried to turn conquered nations into copies of America. The
> government we leave them with is usually whatever democratic institution
> they had previously, often a version of the British Parliament. Japan even
> retained the Emperor.
And when these sheep say "we", it sounds funny.
Siri Cruise
Apr 15, 2021, 8:05:23 PM4/15/21
to
In article <s5ak0s$pm8$1...@os.motzarella.org>,
So how russian ships have been sunk in the Black Sea live fire
exercises? I bet Romania is really quaking in their stylish but
affordable galoshes.
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I am an Andrea Doria sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed
exercises? I bet Romania is really quaking in their stylish but
affordable galoshes.
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Keith Willshaw
Apr 16, 2021, 10:40:52 AM4/16/21
to
On 16/04/2021 01:05, Siri Cruise wrote:
.
>
> So how russian ships have been sunk in the Black Sea live fire
> exercises? I bet Romania is really quaking in their stylish but
> affordable galoshes.
>
This being a naval website I would hope that people would know Romania
.
>
> So how russian ships have been sunk in the Black Sea live fire
> exercises? I bet Romania is really quaking in their stylish but
> affordable galoshes.
>
is a member of NATO and that the USA has basing rights there and a
significant military oresence.
https://balkaninsight.com/2020/07/30/romania-ready-to-welcome-us-troops-removed-from-germany/
The USN has recently operated patrols in the Black Sea by the USS
Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/04/09/navy-warships-could-head-black-sea-russia-ukraine-tensions-escalate.html
Siri Cruise
Apr 16, 2021, 12:40:54 PM4/16/21
to
In article <s5c7lh$6gv$1...@dont-email.me>,
Sea. Russia is pretending the USN is in the Black Sea to fight
for Ukraine. Russia doesn't like to be reminded Romania and the
US share defences.
Turkey and Bulgaria are also on the Black Sea, but I haven't
heard they have fleets there.
Keith Willshaw <keithw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This being a naval website I would hope that people would know Romania
> is a member of NATO and that the USA has basing rights there and a
> significant military oresence.
Yes. And Russia has traditionally bullied Romania in the Black
> This being a naval website I would hope that people would know Romania
> is a member of NATO and that the USA has basing rights there and a
> significant military oresence.
Sea. Russia is pretending the USN is in the Black Sea to fight
for Ukraine. Russia doesn't like to be reminded Romania and the
US share defences.
Turkey and Bulgaria are also on the Black Sea, but I haven't
heard they have fleets there.
Byker
Apr 16, 2021, 1:05:52 PM4/16/21
to
"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:s5ak0s$pm8$1...@os.motzarella.org...
Jim Wilkins, <news:s5ajeo$ltb$1...@dont-email.me>
> "Byker" wrote in message
>>
>> We haven't tried to turn conquered nations into copies of America. The
>> government we leave them with is usually whatever democratic institution
>> they had previously, often a version of the British Parliament. Japan
>> even retained the Emperor.
>
> You are sheep who'd repeat what your minders indoctrinated you with.
You wouldn't dare say otherwise or you'd be on your way to Siberia...
Jim Wilkins, <news:s5ajeo$ltb$1...@dont-email.me>
> "Byker" wrote in message
>>
>> We haven't tried to turn conquered nations into copies of America. The
>> government we leave them with is usually whatever democratic institution
>> they had previously, often a version of the British Parliament. Japan
>> even retained the Emperor.
>
> You are sheep who'd repeat what your minders indoctrinated you with.
a425couple
Apr 16, 2021, 1:34:26 PM4/16/21
to
On 4/16/2021 9:40 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> In article <s5c7lh$6gv$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Keith Willshaw <keithw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This being a naval website I would hope that people would know Romania
>> is a member of NATO and that the USA has basing rights there and a
>> significant military oresence.
>
> Yes. And Russia has traditionally bullied Romania in the Black
> Sea. ----
> In article <s5c7lh$6gv$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Keith Willshaw <keithw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This being a naval website I would hope that people would know Romania
>> is a member of NATO and that the USA has basing rights there and a
>> significant military oresence.
>
> Yes. And Russia has traditionally bullied Romania in the Black
>
Sad. Very sad how Russia keeps avoiding real success.
from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
30 Czech Republic$42,956
35 Slovenia 40,820
36 Lithuania 40,784
37 Estonia 39,729
39 Poland 35,957
40 Hungary 35,088
41 Slovakia 34,815
43 Latvia 33,394
44 Romania 32,950
45 Turkey 32,278
49 Croatia 29,777
50 Russia 29,485
52 Kazakhstan 27,560
55 Bulgaria 25,471
65 Belarus 20,578
66 Serbia 20,545
70 China 18,931
74 North Macedonia 17,663
75 Turkmenistan 17,415
77 Bosnia and Herzegovina 15,935
78 Georgia 15,709
81 Albania 15,225
83 Azerbaijan 14,856
86 Ukraine 13,943
89 Moldova 13,879
91 Armenia 13,638
Byker
Apr 16, 2021, 2:31:16 PM4/16/21
to
"Stephen Harding" wrote in message news:s5afl1$rnn$1...@dont-email.me...
Russkies look back on the times of Ivan IV, Peter
the Great, and Joe Stalin as "the good old days"...
------------------------------------------------
Russians remain fatalistic and resigned to disasters
By STEVEN LEE MYERS
MOSCOW — There was something sadly predictable about the reaction to
Russia's latest convulsion of disasters: a plane crash, a mine blast and a
nursing home fire. In the span of four days, 180 Russians died and the
country, more or less, shrugged.
"They thought about this between the borscht and the cutlet," Matvei
Ganapolsky, a radio host, said on Ekho Moskvy, comparing Russia's collective
reaction to tragedy, unfavorably, to that of other countries. Outrage or
grief or sympathy lasts about as long as a pause between the courses.
It would be wrong to stereotype, to say that Russians are fatalistic or
heartless. They are, however, not only resigned to tragedy but inured to it
in a way that to many raises alarms about the country's future. They are not
just helpless in the face of disaster; they could be called complicit, ever
beckoning the next one by their actions or lack of action.
Disasters, natural and man-made, occur everywhere, but unnatural death
occurs in Russia with unnatural frequency and in unnatural quantity.
In a report in 2005 called "Dying Too Young," the World Bank warned that
accidents, which affect men of working age the most, were contributing to a
decline in the Russian population. The country is a world leader in
industrial accidents, like the explosion at a Siberian mine Monday that
killed 110, in traffic accidents, in fires, in murders and in suicides.
Russians grieve, but they do so privately. They rarely demand public action
through the media, elected representatives or street protests. A result is a
lack of accountability, even impunity, that lets corruption fester,
otherwise solvable problems mount.
A fire early Tuesday engulfed a government home for the elderly and disabled
in a small town on the Sea of Azov, killing 63 at last count. It quickly
became apparent that the building had been declared unsafe, inadequately
equipped to suppress fire and built with toxic materials that almost
certainly increased the death toll. And yet, somehow, it remained open.
If it seemed shockingly familiar, that is because it was. A fire in December
killed 46 at a drug-treatment hospital in Moscow. The doors and windows were
locked. Inspectors had spotted violations that had apparently never been
fixed. A day later 10 patients died in a fire at a home for the mentally ill
in Siberia.
Igor Trunov, a prominent lawyer in Moscow, argued that a lack of legal - or
political - accountability allowed private companies and public agencies to
flout rules and regulations and escape punishment for wrongdoing. He cited
the airline industry, saying that aging equipment, shoddy maintenance and
poor training contributed to a number of crashes.
The latest came on March 17 when a Soviet-era airliner missed a runway in
Samara and overturned, killing 7 of 57 people aboard in an accident
preliminarily attributed to mechanical problems and pilot error. That crash
followed two major disasters last year - a crash landing in Irkutsk, in
Siberia, which killed 125, and a flight to St. Petersburg that crashed in a
storm over eastern Ukraine, killing 170.
Trunov's answer is still a novelty here: the lawsuit. He has campaigned to
win more compensation for victims of some prominent tragedies: an avalanche
in the Northern Caucasus in 2002 (125 dead); the botched rescue of hostages
in a Moscow theater in 2002 (128); the collapse of a water park in Moscow in
2004 (28); and both of the air disasters last year (295). He has so far lost
them all.
Russia, he said, suffers from a mentality in which human life is not valued.
In a recent article he computed the value of a person based on various
countries' laws for compensating injuries or death. Life in Russia is, in
fact, cheap. According to his calculation a Russian is worth $118,000; an
American, $3.2 million.
It has become a sorry routine: the promise of action and the failure to
deliver. After the disaster at the indoor water park, the emergencies
minister, Sergei Shoigu, appeared before TV cameras and demanded an end to
shoddy building and maintenance. No one has been held to account. In
February 2006 the roof of a market built by the same architect collapsed; 56
died.
History might explain part of the country's indifference. Russia has endured
revolution and war on a scale that can be difficult to comprehend. A former
commandant of the Army War College in the United States, Major General
Robert Scales, once recalled giving a Russian general a tour of Gettysburg.
The Russian asked the American how many casualties the battle had produced.
Told that 51,000 soldiers had been killed, wounded or left missing, the
Russian swept his hand dismissively.
"Skirmish," he said.
But Ganapolsky, the radio host, said history alone did not explain Russia of
today. Russians care, he said in an interview, but they stay home and
express their anger or sorrow in private.
"Why do Italians come out into the streets?" he said. "Because they know
they can change their government. Why don't Russians come out in the street?
Because they know they will meet the riot police."
http://rlu.ru/2KMt8
>
> Having spent years aboard Soviet fishing vessels fishing the US EEZ back
> in the late 70's and early 80's, the one thing that most impressed me
> about Russians was their ability to suffer!
>
> They can tolerate conditions (physical and mental) that would have us
> Americans and I think Western Europeans as well, crying like babies in
> short time.
>
> I think Russia could be quite a nation if they let loose the creative
> drive that exists in its people. Just always seems suppressed by either
> some authoritarian or ubiquitous corruption, and usually it seems, both.
>
> But it's true; the Russians do seem to admire powerful leadership even if
> it turns brutal on them.
That's the way it's been since the days of Rurik.
> Having spent years aboard Soviet fishing vessels fishing the US EEZ back
> in the late 70's and early 80's, the one thing that most impressed me
> about Russians was their ability to suffer!
>
> They can tolerate conditions (physical and mental) that would have us
> Americans and I think Western Europeans as well, crying like babies in
> short time.
>
> I think Russia could be quite a nation if they let loose the creative
> drive that exists in its people. Just always seems suppressed by either
> some authoritarian or ubiquitous corruption, and usually it seems, both.
>
> But it's true; the Russians do seem to admire powerful leadership even if
> it turns brutal on them.
Russkies look back on the times of Ivan IV, Peter
the Great, and Joe Stalin as "the good old days"...
------------------------------------------------
Russians remain fatalistic and resigned to disasters
By STEVEN LEE MYERS
MOSCOW — There was something sadly predictable about the reaction to
Russia's latest convulsion of disasters: a plane crash, a mine blast and a
nursing home fire. In the span of four days, 180 Russians died and the
country, more or less, shrugged.
"They thought about this between the borscht and the cutlet," Matvei
Ganapolsky, a radio host, said on Ekho Moskvy, comparing Russia's collective
reaction to tragedy, unfavorably, to that of other countries. Outrage or
grief or sympathy lasts about as long as a pause between the courses.
It would be wrong to stereotype, to say that Russians are fatalistic or
heartless. They are, however, not only resigned to tragedy but inured to it
in a way that to many raises alarms about the country's future. They are not
just helpless in the face of disaster; they could be called complicit, ever
beckoning the next one by their actions or lack of action.
Disasters, natural and man-made, occur everywhere, but unnatural death
occurs in Russia with unnatural frequency and in unnatural quantity.
In a report in 2005 called "Dying Too Young," the World Bank warned that
accidents, which affect men of working age the most, were contributing to a
decline in the Russian population. The country is a world leader in
industrial accidents, like the explosion at a Siberian mine Monday that
killed 110, in traffic accidents, in fires, in murders and in suicides.
Russians grieve, but they do so privately. They rarely demand public action
through the media, elected representatives or street protests. A result is a
lack of accountability, even impunity, that lets corruption fester,
otherwise solvable problems mount.
A fire early Tuesday engulfed a government home for the elderly and disabled
in a small town on the Sea of Azov, killing 63 at last count. It quickly
became apparent that the building had been declared unsafe, inadequately
equipped to suppress fire and built with toxic materials that almost
certainly increased the death toll. And yet, somehow, it remained open.
If it seemed shockingly familiar, that is because it was. A fire in December
killed 46 at a drug-treatment hospital in Moscow. The doors and windows were
locked. Inspectors had spotted violations that had apparently never been
fixed. A day later 10 patients died in a fire at a home for the mentally ill
in Siberia.
Igor Trunov, a prominent lawyer in Moscow, argued that a lack of legal - or
political - accountability allowed private companies and public agencies to
flout rules and regulations and escape punishment for wrongdoing. He cited
the airline industry, saying that aging equipment, shoddy maintenance and
poor training contributed to a number of crashes.
The latest came on March 17 when a Soviet-era airliner missed a runway in
Samara and overturned, killing 7 of 57 people aboard in an accident
preliminarily attributed to mechanical problems and pilot error. That crash
followed two major disasters last year - a crash landing in Irkutsk, in
Siberia, which killed 125, and a flight to St. Petersburg that crashed in a
storm over eastern Ukraine, killing 170.
Trunov's answer is still a novelty here: the lawsuit. He has campaigned to
win more compensation for victims of some prominent tragedies: an avalanche
in the Northern Caucasus in 2002 (125 dead); the botched rescue of hostages
in a Moscow theater in 2002 (128); the collapse of a water park in Moscow in
2004 (28); and both of the air disasters last year (295). He has so far lost
them all.
Russia, he said, suffers from a mentality in which human life is not valued.
In a recent article he computed the value of a person based on various
countries' laws for compensating injuries or death. Life in Russia is, in
fact, cheap. According to his calculation a Russian is worth $118,000; an
American, $3.2 million.
It has become a sorry routine: the promise of action and the failure to
deliver. After the disaster at the indoor water park, the emergencies
minister, Sergei Shoigu, appeared before TV cameras and demanded an end to
shoddy building and maintenance. No one has been held to account. In
February 2006 the roof of a market built by the same architect collapsed; 56
died.
History might explain part of the country's indifference. Russia has endured
revolution and war on a scale that can be difficult to comprehend. A former
commandant of the Army War College in the United States, Major General
Robert Scales, once recalled giving a Russian general a tour of Gettysburg.
The Russian asked the American how many casualties the battle had produced.
Told that 51,000 soldiers had been killed, wounded or left missing, the
Russian swept his hand dismissively.
"Skirmish," he said.
But Ganapolsky, the radio host, said history alone did not explain Russia of
today. Russians care, he said in an interview, but they stay home and
express their anger or sorrow in private.
"Why do Italians come out into the streets?" he said. "Because they know
they can change their government. Why don't Russians come out in the street?
Because they know they will meet the riot police."
http://rlu.ru/2KMt8
Oleg Smirnov
Apr 16, 2021, 2:48:49 PM4/16/21
to
Byker the Shithead, <news:lLGdnQoz6o10XuT9...@earthlink.com>
Siberia is beautiful.
> "Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:s5ak0s$pm8$1...@os.motzarella.org...
>> Jim Wilkins, <news:s5ajeo$ltb$1...@dont-email.me>
>> Jim Wilkins, <news:s5ajeo$ltb$1...@dont-email.me>
>>> even retained the Emperor.
>>
>> You are sheep who'd repeat what your minders indoctrinated you with.
>
> You wouldn't dare say otherwise or you'd be on your way to Siberia...
<https://tinyurl.com/maga-maga-maga-maga>
>>
>> You are sheep who'd repeat what your minders indoctrinated you with.
>
> You wouldn't dare say otherwise or you'd be on your way to Siberia...
Siberia is beautiful.
Leper
Apr 16, 2021, 7:25:31 PM4/16/21
to
On 4/16/2021 11:40 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> In article <s5c7lh$6gv$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Keith Willshaw <keithw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This being a naval website I would hope that people would know Romania
>> is a member of NATO and that the USA has basing rights there and a
>> significant military oresence.
>
> Yes. And Russia has traditionally bullied Romania in the Black
> Sea. Russia is pretending the USN is in the Black Sea to fight
> for Ukraine. Russia doesn't like to be reminded Romania and the
> US share defences.
>
> Turkey and Bulgaria are also on the Black Sea, but I haven't
> heard they have fleets there.
Might ben a coming attraction. ;-)
> In article <s5c7lh$6gv$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Keith Willshaw <keithw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This being a naval website I would hope that people would know Romania
>> is a member of NATO and that the USA has basing rights there and a
>> significant military oresence.
>
> Yes. And Russia has traditionally bullied Romania in the Black
> Sea. Russia is pretending the USN is in the Black Sea to fight
> for Ukraine. Russia doesn't like to be reminded Romania and the
> US share defences.
>
> Turkey and Bulgaria are also on the Black Sea, but I haven't
> heard they have fleets there.
>
Keith Willshaw
Apr 17, 2021, 8:59:36 AM4/17/21
to
On 16/04/2021 17:40, Siri Cruise wrote:
>
> Yes. And Russia has traditionally bullied Romania in the Black
> Sea. Russia is pretending the USN is in the Black Sea to fight
> for Ukraine. Russia doesn't like to be reminded Romania and the
> US share defences.
>
> Turkey and Bulgaria are also on the Black Sea, but I haven't
> heard they have fleets there.
>
Turkey has several F-16 squadrons as well as 2 Phantom F-4E Units
>
> Yes. And Russia has traditionally bullied Romania in the Black
> Sea. Russia is pretending the USN is in the Black Sea to fight
> for Ukraine. Russia doesn't like to be reminded Romania and the
> US share defences.
>
> Turkey and Bulgaria are also on the Black Sea, but I haven't
> heard they have fleets there.
>
The Navy has 8 Class 209 German built submarines, 8 ex USN OHP and 8
Meko frigates and a significant number of fast attack craft
It is also a NATO member. Turkey would be no pushover.
Bulgaria has a small airforce equipped with Su 25 and Mig 29's of
dubious value. The Navy is pretty much the same with a small number of
soviet era submarines, frigates and fast attack boats. Essentially its a
coastal patrol force.
Byker
Apr 17, 2021, 7:42:31 PM4/17/21
to
"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:s5cm6f$up0$1...@os.motzarella.org...
>
> Siberia is beautiful.
Yup: https://tinyurl.com/yjf5kpfn
>
> Siberia is beautiful.
Yup: https://tinyurl.com/yjf5kpfn
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