Con Air: what kind of plane?
Conrad
It looked to be a military transport of some kind. What were thos things
hanging off the wings? They looked kind of like small jet engines. JATO
perhaps?
Thanks in advance.
Dana Skroch
I believe it's a C-123 K version and the plane is stationed at
Stead/Reno airport.
vlent
Dana Skroch wrote:
>
> I believe it's a C-123 K version and the plane is stationed at
> Stead/Reno airport.
I know the nice folks at Stead are going to hate this, but if you are an
aviation buff, you need to visit this airport. Put the air race planes
off to the side. Instead politely ask permission to look in the hanger
and along the flightline of the FBO there who supplies so many of the
movie planes. Did I mention the flyable Migs? And the JATO (jet
assisted takeoff) equiped 123 mentioned above. And the ???, well, go see
for youself. And don't forget to catch lunch at Curt & Al's down the
road in Lemmon Valley.
Greg Pugliese
C-119 Flying Boxcar. The things on wings are most likely fuel tanks
(haven't seen the movie so i'm not sure).
-GJP
Edward C. Stalker
C-119J, sometimes it's a C-123K. The outboard pods on both planes are
ramjets. Because both aircraft are powered by Radials, their high level
performance was relatively poor. At altitude, with 100 knots of
airspeed,
they'd light the ramjets for extra speed. I'd have to talk to my dad for
more definite info, as he was a loadmaster on both aircraft, but that is
what I remember. I know I prefer the C-130A, but that was the airplane I
worked on...
Ed Stalker
Eric Espino
I haven't seen the movie, but from the previews, it looked like a C-123
"Provider"
Conrad <Con...@ccc.com> wrote in article
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Fluffy1972
Subject: Re: Con Air: what kind of plane?
From: Greg Pugliese <gp...@wam.umd.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:09:16 -0400
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.97061...@rac1.wam.umd.edu>
On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Conrad wrote:
> It looked to be a military transport of some kind. What were thos things
> hanging off the wings? They looked kind of like small jet engines. JATO
> perhaps?
>
> Thanks in advance.
C-119 Flying Boxcar. The things on wings are most likely fuel tanks
(haven't seen the movie so i'm not sure).
-GJP
looked like a C-123 to me.
fluffy
DonSS3
Greg Pugliese <gp...@wam.umd.edu> sent:
>>On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Conrad wrote:
> It looked to be a military transport of some kind. What were thos things
> hanging off the wings? They looked kind of like small jet engines. JATO
> perhaps?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>>C-119 Flying Boxcar. The things on wings are most likely fuel tanks
>>(haven't seen the movie so i'm not sure).
>>-GJP
Actually, it's a C-123. The things under the wings (nice rhyme, huh?)
are jet engines. J85s (approx 2800 lbs st) used primarily for boosting
take-off performance.
Don
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"There are only three true sports; Auto Racing, Bullfighting and Mountain climbing. All the rest are children's games at which men play."
Steve Billings
don...@aol.com (DonSS3) wrote:
>Greg Pugliese <gp...@wam.umd.edu> sent:
>>>-GJP
>Don
....it's a C-123K to be exact (if anyone really cares!)
Steve B.
Jim Atkins
I would pay money to see a C-123 go fast enough to light up ramjets!
Course, I wouldn't want to see it from too close- or underneath- They're
turbojets.
Jim Atkins
Willcox AZ
NThomp3240
Its a C-123 and the pods under the wing are small jet engines for extra
power
Mark
I was in Las Vegas at Christmas timme and they still had the remains of the
C-123 lying at the base of an old casino.
Fluffy1972 <fluff...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> Subject: Re: Con Air: what kind of plane?
> From: Greg Pugliese <gp...@wam.umd.edu>
> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:09:16 -0400
> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.97061...@rac1.wam.umd.edu>
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> On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Conrad wrote:
>
> > It looked to be a military transport of some kind. What were thos
things
>
> > hanging off the wings? They looked kind of like small jet engines. JATO
> > perhaps?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> C-119 Flying Boxcar. The things on wings are most likely fuel tanks
> (haven't seen the movie so i'm not sure).
>
> -GJP
>
>
Wallace Berry
> >
> > Subject: Re: Con Air: what kind of plane?
> > From: Greg Pugliese <gp...@wam.umd.edu>
> > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:09:16 -0400
> > Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.97061...@rac1.wam.umd.edu>
> >
Well, it's definitely a C-123. I had a close up look at a C-123 on the
ramp at Reno a few years ago. The tail was covered in bird shit at the
time. It would be cool if that is the plane used in Con Air. The pods on
the outboard sections of the wings are indeed jet engines. I believe they
are designed to run on the same (gasoline) as the reciprocating engines.
Some old time military transport types refer to the jet engines on the
C-123 as "fuel dump valves" or as "converters" as in "converting fuel into
noise".
Wallace
James Ray Crenshaw
> > It looked to be a military transport of some kind. What were thos
things
>
> > hanging off the wings? They looked kind of like small jet engines. JATO
> > perhaps?
I think you mean "Rocket" assisted takeoff (RATO) don't you?
Ray in SC
sirius
I can't help wondering what Conair (the company in British Columbia that
converts aircraft as forest fire fighters) and Conair (the airline in
Norway) think about Conair (the movie).
Jeff
Mike Tighe
On 19 Jun 1997 00:19:42 GMT, "James Ray Crenshaw"
Sad but true fact - the abbreviation 'JATO' was (and probably still
is) used quite widely when referring to rocket assisted take offs.
Possibly even more often than the 'more accurate' term 'RATO'.
(Those guys talking about Heads Up Displays and ME109s had to do
something to avoid getting stale) <g>
Mike Tighe -
Striving steadily towards a 4,000 hour
mean time between sense of humour failures!
elsworta
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95q.97061...@rac1.wam.umd.edu>,
gp...@wam.umd.edu says...
>
>On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Conrad wrote:
>
>> It looked to be a military transport of some kind. What were thos things
>> hanging off the wings? They looked kind of like small jet engines. JATO
>> perhaps?
>>
>
>C-119 Flying Boxcar. The things on wings are most likely fuel tanks
>(haven't seen the movie so i'm not sure).
>
>-GJP
>
>
I don't think so - the C119 was a twin boom job. I think the plane in the
movie is a Fairchild Provider (C123?)
Adrian Elsworth
Mark W. Schaeffer
In article <01bc7c6e$e38c49c0$1b88...@WWDC.wwdc.com>, "sirius"
<sir...@wwdc.com> wrote:
The association I made, based on seeing print ads reading "CON AIR", was
with Convair, the General Dynamics division in San Diego when I was
growing up nearby.
-- Mark
--
Mark W. Schaeffer
Resume:
http://www2.netcom.com/~mrkwscha/resume.html
RUDI
Greg Pugliese wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Conrad wrote:
>
> > It looked to be a military transport of some kind. What were thos things
> > hanging off the wings? They looked kind of like small jet engines. JATO
> > perhaps?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> C-119 Flying Boxcar. The things on wings are most likely fuel tanks
> (haven't seen the movie so i'm not sure).
>
> -GJP
the p2 neptune
ALASDAIR MCKIE
sirius (sir...@wwdc.com) wrote:
: I can't help wondering what Conair (the company in British Columbia that
: converts aircraft as forest fire fighters) and Conair (the airline in
: Norway) think about Conair (the movie).
Too true. I also wonder what a modern law-enforcement agency is supposedly
doing moving prisoners in such an ancient aircraft.
-Al
Kerry Ferrand
: C-119 Flying Boxcar. The things on wings are most likely fuel tanks
: (haven't seen the movie so i'm not sure).
umm I'm sure its a C-123K..C-119 has twin tails. The things under the wings
are small jet engines.
Fairchild C-123 "Provider"
Transport aircraft, 1953
Development:
C-123 is a development of the experimental Chase XCG-20 "Avitruc". First
prototype flew in June 1953. The aircraft entered
production in 1954 and by 1958 a total of 5 prototypes and 302 production
aircraft were built.
Modifications:
C-123B - first production version
C-123K - two J85-GE-17 jet engines in addition to the piston
engines, 183 C-123B converted, first flight July 30, 1962
Service:
With USAF, armed forces of Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Venezuela.
Data for C-123K
Crew: 2
Wingspan: 33.6 m
Length: 23.3 m
Height: 10.4 m
Wing area: 113.6 sq. m
Empty weight: 14100 kg
Takeoff weight: 27240 kg
Engines: 2xPratt & Whitney R-2800-99W, 2467 hp each, and 2xGeneral
Electic J85-GE-17, 12.8 kN of thrust each
Max. speed: 392 km/h
Landing speed: 120 km/h
Climb rate: 51.0 m/s
Ceiling: 7000 m
Range: 2350 km
Payload: 6800 kg
RUDI
James Ray Crenshaw wrote:
>
> > > It looked to be a military transport of some kind. What were thos
> things
> >
> > > hanging off the wings? They looked kind of like small jet engines. JATO
>
> > > perhaps?
still a few in service with the taiwan air force (rocaf) and few are use
are fire bomber in the USA. some version of this aircraft use aditional
jet engin (it is not rocket for take of). The use of jet engine on a
propeler plane have been done a few time the most famous model (the one
that were use in active duty were) the p2 neptune (late version), the
ov-10 bronco (german service use to carry aerial target) and the Ryan
fireball (a navy fighter that was introduce just after ww2) ther are also
been a few prototype but none of them saw operational status.
Gregoire
National Aero Safety
Perhaps you have inadvertantly overlooked the Convair B-36 Peacemaker?
Six Pratt&Whitney piston engines, and four turbojets mounted two on each
outboard wing.
By the way, the Fairchild C-123 Provider had at least two different
configurations for it's turbo-jet augmentation. The one was the under
wing configuration that you mention above, and the other was wingtip
jets which were equipped with eye-lid covers. The Alaska National Guard
has the latter version on display at their Anchorage Base.
Roswell
Ryan Keough
The aircraft is a Fairchild C-123 Provider. Used in the Vietnam war, the C-123
was famous in the fact that it sprayed the chemical "Agent Orange" over
vegitation and unbfortunately... our troops. The plane looks much like the
C-119 however, it has a single tail, and not the twin booms of the C-119. See
the movie "Air America" for another example of such.
Ryan Keough
Webmaster, 1941 Historic Aircraft Group
http://www.wycol.com/1941HAG
In article <33AAAF...@CARDIFF.AC.UK>, bo...@cf.ac.uk says...
>
>Greg Pugliese wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Conrad wrote:
>>
>> > It looked to be a military transport of some kind. What were thos things
>> > hanging off the wings? They looked kind of like small jet engines. JATO
>> > perhaps?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance.
>>
>> C-119 Flying Boxcar. The things on wings are most likely fuel tanks
>> (haven't seen the movie so i'm not sure).
>>
sirius
> > The aircraft is a c123 provider (the us used a long time ago) yhere are
> still a few in service with the taiwan air force (rocaf) and few are use
> are fire bomber in the USA. some version of this aircraft use aditional
> jet engin (it is not rocket for take of). The use of jet engine on a
> propeler plane have been done a few time the most famous model (the one
> that were use in active duty were) the p2 neptune (late version), the
> ov-10 bronco (german service use to carry aerial target) and the Ryan
> fireball (a navy fighter that was introduce just after ww2) ther are also
> been a few prototype but none of them saw operational status.
Don't forget the C-119 with one jet pod mounted above the fuselage. I would
say, though, that it, along with the C-123 and P-2 was on "operational
status".
Maury Markowitz
In article <01bc8068$e441c180$6c84...@WWDC.wwdc.com>, "sirius"
<sir...@wwdc.com> wrote:
Maybe I'm missing part of the post, but I think it's safe to say that
the most famous jet/prop is the B-36, which after the jet installation had
a massive 10 engines.
Maury
RUDI
sirius wrote:
>
> > > The aircraft is a c123 provider (the us used a long time ago) yhere are
>
> > still a few in service with the taiwan air force (rocaf) and few are use
> > are fire bomber in the USA. some version of this aircraft use aditional
> > jet engin (it is not rocket for take of). The use of jet engine on a
> > propeler plane have been done a few time the most famous model (the one
> > that were use in active duty were) the p2 neptune (late version), the
> > ov-10 bronco (german service use to carry aerial target) and the Ryan
> > fireball (a navy fighter that was introduce just after ww2) ther are also
>
> > been a few prototype but none of them saw operational status.
>
> Don't forget the C-119 with one jet pod mounted above the fuselage. I would
> say, though, that it, along with the C-123 and P-2 was on "operational
> status".
there are a few other i have just wanted to give a few example