Microdisc Prototype
Rob Arndt
Dan
> http://espresso-outfitters.com/x12%5B1%5D.jpg
>
> Rob
>
Wow, you finally found a real flying disc, xenia, I'm impressed.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Dean A. Markley
Frisbee.
Eeyore
IL
>
Well, not a "prototype" .. Regular electric R/C plane. Sold as a kit by
several manufacturers and easy to make from Depron if you don't want to
buy one.
http://www.hlihobby.dk/shop/euro-disc-5543p.html for example.
Eunometic
wrote:
All you need to do is scale that up and add a large bearing to isolate
the crew compartment from rotation.
AFAIKT many efforts towards circular wing was to create stall proof
designs that kind of 'mushed' forward rather than stall.
Other efforts were directed towards exploiting the coanda effect.
Rob Arndt
The forum where I found the link said that two were being modified as
MAV prototypes by a University. But other disc-type MAVs and UAVs
already exist.
Rob
Dan
may cry.
Rob Arndt
wrote:
Graham,
I can excuse your total lack of knowledge of world and German disc
development from 1910- present, but maybe you should not be so
sarcastic when confronted with the long list. From the top of my head,
since it is my specialty:
1910-1943 Non-German
1910 August Klein Ring Wing
1911 McCormick-Romme/Vought Umbrella Plane
1911 Lee-Richards Annular Monoplane and Biplane
1928 Tesla Electrogravitational Aircraft Design
1932 Guido Tallei Diridisk Blimp
1933 Antes Annular Wing Design
1933 Arup S-1 thru S-4
1934 Nemeth Round Wing
1936 Kalinin K-12
1942 Vought-Zimmerman V-173 Flying Flapjack
1943 Vought XF5U-1 Skimmer
1943 Boeing B-390 Design
1943 Discopter Design
German and Axis Co-Operation:
1922 Thule-Vril Jenseitsflugmaschine
1933 Trenn Flying Platform
1936 Freiburg Disc * crashed alien ship reverse-engineered at
Wewelsburg
1937 Thule-Vril RFZ-1
1937 Thule-Vril RFZ-2 Heisswasserflasche
1937 Thule-Vril RFZ-3
1938 Thule-Vril RFZ-4
1939 Thule-SS RFZ-5/Haunebu I
1939 Heinrick Foche Schnellflugzeug Patent
1939 Josef Andreas Epp Helioplane Design
1939 SS Tesla Turbine Flugscheibe
1940 Thule-Vril RFZ-6
1940 Viktor Schauberger-Kertl-SS Repulsin A
1941 Vril RFZ-7/Vril 1 Jaeger
1942 Vril-SS Hauenbu II * Thule absorbed by Vril/Vril covered by SS
Technical Branch and Abwehr
1942 Vril-SS Vril 3 Falkejaeger
1942 Vril-SS Vril 4
1943 Vril-SS Vril 5
1943 Vril-SS Vril 6 and 6b (armed version)
1943 Rudolf Schriever-SS FLugkreisel
1943 Viktor Schauberger-Kertl-SS Repulsin B
1943 Josef Andreas Epp Omega Diskus Design
1944 Vril-SS Haunebu II Do-Stra
1944 Vril-SS Vril 7 Geist
1944 Dr. Richard Miethe Elektrische Luft Turbuine und Raumschiff V-7
1944 Dr. Richard Miethe Flugscheibe
1944 Dr. Richard Kraemer-AEG-SS Kugelwaffen
1944 WNF-SS Feuerball
1944 Henri Coanda-SS Lenticular Flugscheibe
1944 Leichtscheiben
1944 BMW Flugelrad I V-1
1944 BMW Flugelrad I V-2
1944 Arthur Sack AS-6V-1
1945 Vril-SS Vril 8 Odin
1945 Vril-SS Vril 9 Abjaeger
1945 Vril-SS Haunebu III Ostara
1945 Vril-SS Andromeda-Gerat Raumschiffen Freyr und Freya
1945 Vril-SS Gammagische Auge
1945 Vril-SS Vril 10 Fliedermaus Design
1945 Vril-SS Vril 11 Teufel Design
1945 Zeppelin Werke-SS Kugelblitz
1945 BMW Flugelrad II V-1
1945 BMW Flugelrad II V-2
1945 BMW Flugelrad III Design
1945 DFS-360 Design
1945 Gerhard Faulker Feuersturn Design
1945 Heinrich Fleissner Dusenscheibe
1945 SS Dampfstrahl Antrieb Flugscheibe
1945 Achenbach AF-1 Spiegeli Design
1945 Wibault-SS Gyroter
1945 Guiseppe Belluzzo-SS Turbo-Proietti
1945 Riva del Garda-SS Piastra di Volo
1945 Mitsubishi-SS Matsuraboshi
Postwar:
Josef Andreas Epp-USSR Pirna Flugscheibe
Rene Couzinet Disc
Townsend Brown Electrogravitic Disc Experiments
Avro Canada Spade
Avro Canada Ladybug
Avro Canada Project-Y
Avro Canada WS-601
Avro Canada/US Army Avrocar
Republic Aviation Disc Design
Lockheed Silverbug
Lockheed LRV (Lenticular Re-Entry Vehicle)
Northrop NS-97
NASA Disc Lifting Bodies x 3
Tier III Darkstar UAV
Cypher UAV
Area 51 S-4 Sportsmodel *Lazar revelation
Suchanov Discoplan 1
Suchanov Discoplan 2
Suchanov Discoplan 3
Suchanov Discoplan 4
MiG Disc Fighter Design
EKIP
Cosmoplan
Searl Disc Designs
British Railway Saucer Design
Go Aircraft Disc Design
Geo-Bat
Kehl Ring Wing
German postwar disc/aerodyne patent holders:
Josef Andreas Epp
Heinrich Focke
Heinrich Fleissner
Bruno Schwenteit
Hermann Klaas
Georg Klein
Alexander Lippisch
Henri Coanda
* note: does not count Rudolf Schriever that died before he could
submit, Viktor Schauberger whose work was taken from him by US and
also died, and Reimar Horten's classified work at Wright Field
Plus a vast range of other military, corporate, and civilian designs,
patents, and flying craft
How many is that from 1910-present? I think I have presented over 100
just writing them down from memory. I can get even more detailed if
you want.
Your sarcasm really should be regarded as pure stupidity regarding
terrestrial disc development. With this list it really shows.
Rob
Rob Arndt
Hey Dean,
Did you have any of these discs and circular aircraft (plus a few
sphericals, cylindricals, and circular thrust wings):
Off the top of my head...
1910 August Klein Ringwing (GER)
1911 McCormick-Romme/Vought Umbrella Plane (US)
1911 Lee Richards Annular Monoplane & Biplane (GB)
1922 Thule-Vril Jenseitsflugmaschine (GER)
1929 Tesla Electrogravitational Aircraft Design (RUM)
1931 Trenn Flying Platform (GER)
1932 Guido Tallei Diridisk Blimp (IT)
1933 Antes Annular Wing Design (US)
1933 Arup S-1 thru S-4 (US)
1934 Nemeth Round Wing (US)
1934 Franz Phillip Sonnenstrahl Flugscheiben Designs (GER)
1936 Kalinin K-12 (USSR)
1937 Thule-Vril RFZ-1 (GER)
1937 Thule-Vril RFZ-2 Heisswasserflashe (GER)
1937 Thule-Vril RFZ-3 (GER)
1938 Thule-Vril RFZ-4 (GER)
1939 Thule-SS E-IV RFZ-5/Haunebu I (GER)
1939 Focke Schnellflugzeug Rochen Design (GER)
1939 Josef Andreas Epp Helioplane Design (GER)
1939 SS Tesla Turbine Flugscheibe (GER)
1940 Thule-Vril RFZ-6 (GER)
1940 Schauberger- Kertl-SS Repulsin A (GER)
1941 Vril-SS E-IV RFZ-7/Vril 1 Jaeger (GER)
1941 AEG Kugelwaffen (GER)
1942 Vril-SS E IV Haunebu II (GER)
1942 Vril-SS Vril 3 Falkejaeger (GER)
1942 Vril-SS Vril 4 (GER)
1942 WNF Feuerball (GER)
1942 Vought-Zimmerman V-173 Flying Flapjack (US)
1943 Vril-SS Vril 5 (GER)
1943 Vril-SS Vril 6 and 6b (GER)
1943 Schriever-SS Flugkreisel (GER)
1943 Schauberger-Kertl-SS Repulsin B (GER)
1943 Josef Andreas Epp Omega Diskus Design (GER)
1943 Vril-SS E V Andromeda-Gerat (GER)
1943 Vought XF5U-1 Skimmer (US)
1943 Boeing B-390 Design (US)
1943 Discopter (US)
1944 Coanda-SS Lenticular Flugscheibe Design (GER)
1944 Miethe-SS FLugscheibe (GER)
1944 Miethe Elektro Luft Turbine und Raumschiff V-7 (GER)
1944 Vril-SS Haunebu II Do-Stra (GER)
1944 Leichtscheiben (GER)
1944 BMW Flugelrad I V-1 (GER)
1944 BMW Flugelrad I V-2 (GER)
1944 Vril-SS Vril 7 Geist (GER)
1944 Arthur Sack AS-6V-1 (GER)
1944 Wibault Gyroter (FR-GER)
1945 Vril-SS Vril 8 Odin (GER)
1945 Zeppelin Werke Kugelblitz (GER)
1945 Vril-SS Haunebu III Ostara (GER)
1945 BMW Flugelrad II V-1 (GER)
1945 BMW Flugelrad II V-2 (GER)
1945 BMW Flugelrad III Design (GER)
1945 DFS-360 Design (GER)
1945 Gerhard Faulker Feuersturm Design (GER)
1945 Heinrich Fleissner Dusenscheibe (GER)
1945 Guiseppe Belluzzo Turbo-Proietti Design (IT-GER)
1945 Riva Del Garda Piastra di Volo (IT-GER)
1945 Dampfstrahl Antrieb Flugzeug Design (GER)
1945 Achenbach Spiegeli Design (GER)
1945 Vril-SS Vril 9 Abjaeger (GER)
1945 Vril-SS Vril 10 Fliedermaus Design (GER)
1945 Vril-SS Vril 11 Teufel Design (GER)
1945 Vril Gammagische Auge Design (GER)
1945 Die Glocke/Bell Device (GER)
1945 Focke-Wulf Triebflugel Design (GER)
1945 Heinkel Lerche & Wespe Designs (GER)
1950 Josef Andreas Epp-USSR Pirna Flugscheibe (GDR)
Postwar Others:
Townsend Brown Electrogravitic Disc Designs (US)
Rene Couzinet Disc (FR)
AVRO Canada Spade (CAN)
AVRO Canada Ladybug (CAN)
AVRO Canada Project Y (CAN)
AVRO Canada WS-601 (CAN)
AVRO Canada-US Army Avrocar (CAN-US)
Republic Aviation Disc Design (US)
Lockheed Project Silverbug (US)
Northrop NS-97 (US)
Lockheed LRV (Lenticular Re-Entry Vehicle) (US)
Bundeswehr FU-1 and FU-2 Flugscheiben
NASA Disc Lifting Bodies Designs x3 (US)
Hiller Flying Platforms (US)
Tier III Darkstar UAV (US)
Cypher UAV (US)
Suchanov Discoplan 1 (USSR)
Suchanov Discoplan 2 (USSR)
Suchanov Discoplan 3 (USSR)
Suchanov Discoplan 4 (USSR)
MiG Disc Fighter Design (USSR)
Cosmoplan Design (Russia)
EKIP (Russia)
British Railway Saucer Design (UK)
Searl Disc Designs (UK)
Geo-Bat (US)
Kehl Ring Wing (US)
Go Aircraft Disc Design (US)
Perter Plichta Disc Design (GER)
Plus many more corporate and civil designs and actual circular
aircraft that are flying...
Gee Dean, how many is that??? An instant 100+ from 1910-present?
Don't you wish you knew anything about the history of world disc
development?
Rob
Rob Arndt
Sorry for the repeat list. First time it did not show up... RAM screw-
up... ???
Rob
Ken S. Tucker
The Frisbee has generated a higher gross sales and
profits then all them on the list combined Rob.
The Frisbee has an attractive glide ratio considering
"aspect ratio", (I don't fully understand it), but I think
it is limited in scale up by Reynolds Number.
Thinking further about that, what's the smallest good
Frisbee?
Ken
Dan
Don't you wish you could provide an example of any disc aircraft
other than Vought's Flying Flapjack that made multiple safe flights
(documented) and that led to a production prototype xenia?
Dan
and even more by removing those that didn't fly successfuly , xenia.
Dan
Wham-O used to make a 4" Frisbee.
Dean A. Markley
used to fly beautifully!
Cool your jets Rob, I was merely making a statement that a Frisbee is
indeed a flying disc.
Dean A. Markley
than a standard Frisbee.
Dean A. Markley
opposed to what, extraterrestial disc development? C'mon now, surely
even you aren't going down that path? I do not doubt that there is a
high probability of extraterrestial life. But there are no "Grays"
flying discs around this planet.
Rob Arndt
>
> - Show quoted text -
There is no possible way you can say with any amount of certainty that
there are not non-terrestrial craft or even if the claimed Freiburg
Disc was not reverse-engineered at Wewelsburg. The SS Technical Branch
used such castles as labs and research centers b/c of security of not
being bombed as a military target. Wolfenstein was real too, among
many others.
Ever see the occult interior of Wewelsburg? It was to be the spiritual
center of Himmler's SS Empire within Greater Germania had the Nazis
won. Himmler wanted to run an occult, mystic state with himself as
Drighten Overlord with the SS serving as Thales and surrounded by
occult and holy objects. Worship would be of the Black Sun (and not
the Cross of Christianity) mixed with pagan God & Goddess worship-
chief among them Isias the mountain Goddess. Huge underworld complexes
would be built as opposed to Speer and Hitler's above-ground new Roman
Empire of Germania.
I have disclaimers up for the Freiburg disc, but have no real opinion
since there is no way to KNOW for sure. The Haunebu I's EMG engine
most likely was the result of a fusion of Tesla's designs for
electrogravitational aircraft, German quantum physics, Vril's
metaphysical R&D, and SS Technical Branch unorthodox (for the late
1930s-40s) technology. IMO, no aliens required. However, I cannot
simply rule it out b/c of my own beliefs in German scientific
progress.
One might also argue that Hess was kept away from the entire world b/c
of disclosure of first contact and the Antarctic files. It would have
been, and still would be, the greatest secret held by mankind. And
contrary to reports of New Age non-fear of that revelation, I am with
the politicians and military that say that such a disclosure would
disrupt the entire world system and create an atmosphere of world
panic and chaos as belief systems worldwide crashed by billions of
people.
You make up your own mind what to believe, but don't tell others what
not to when you have no real admittance by the USAF, NASA, UN, and
world governments about what they have retrieved, reverse-engineered,
or fought in the skies that the public has no access to. For 50 years
the USAAF/USAF told everyone the Germans did NOT have any disc
aircraft only to reverse themselves under FOIA documents obtained by
Jim Wilson in 1995. Yet they gave no identifications, no photos, no
flight films, offered no evidence, and no access to machines that old.
Basically they LIED to people for 50 years and now it is 62 years w/o
any further information. Same for the Foo Fighters which were
deliberately labeled PHOO BOMBS so as not to be discovered in FOIA
inquiries. It failed, however, when one declassified document gave
away that designation from US wartime Intel from 1944. Now it is 100%
verified in writing that those weapons were German-made. The document
is reproduced at Black Sun.
Sorry, but I was never fooled and I heard that the Germans had disc
craft from my own father-a government arms inspector and from his
former OSS/CIA friends who actually occupied underground SS Technical
Branch facilities in 1945. I was told they had operating disc craft in
1975 and again in 1982. They had FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE.
Freiburg Disc:
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/CLAIMED%20NON.htm
Rob
Dan
<snip>
>
> Sorry, but I was never fooled and I heard that the Germans had disc
> craft from my own father-a government arms inspector and from his
> former OSS/CIA friends who actually occupied underground SS Technical
> Branch facilities in 1945. I was told they had operating disc craft in
> 1975 and again in 1982. They had FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE.
Not that lie again, xenia.
Dan
> Dan wrote:
>> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>>>
>>> The Frisbee has generated a higher gross sales and
>>> profits then all them on the list combined Rob.
>>> The Frisbee has an attractive glide ratio considering
>>> "aspect ratio", (I don't fully understand it), but I think
>>> it is limited in scale up by Reynolds Number.
>>> Thinking further about that, what's the smallest good
>>> Frisbee?
>>> Ken
>>>
>>
>> Wham-O used to make a 4" Frisbee.
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
> Yep, I still have one of them somewhere. Kind of harder to throw though
> than a standard Frisbee.
You have to understand the Frisbee® was designed by the Nazis in
their secret SS underground u-boat base in Antarctica. They are raising
money for a 4th reich and UFO research into electromagnetic-coanada
effect - gravity flexing - mercury powered - Sanskrit flying saucers
since the Nazis couldn't do it during the 3rd reich. The code name is
xenia named after a half German babbling cross dressing demigod who was
incapable of reproducing. Xenia was the demigod of irrational thought
and untruths.
CJ Adams
> Clarify something Rob? You said "terrestial disc development"? As
> opposed to what, extraterrestial disc development? C'mon now, surely
> even you aren't going down that path? I do not doubt that there is a
> high probability of extraterrestial life. But there are no "Grays"
> flying discs around this planet.
But maybe feldgrau? Rob would know....
Cheers
CJ Adams
John Keeney
> > terrestrial disc development. With this list it really shows.
>
> > Rob
>
> Clarify something Rob? You said "terrestial disc development"? As
> opposed to what, extraterrestial disc development? C'mon now, surely
> even you aren't going down that path? I do not doubt that there is a
> high probability of extraterrestial life. But there are no "Grays"
> flying discs around this planet.
You should never make such assumptions about what Rob believes.
Get him to tell you about the occult, mercury powered, sanscrip disk
that fly zillions of miles per hour.
Dan
describe how to make a flying saucer that is powered by mercury (at
127,000 atmospheres pressure) that bends gravity using electromagnetism.
She doesn't believe gravity isn't affected by electromagnetism or that
the flying saucers are not at a secret underground u-boat base in
Antarctica only she knows about. If you want a giggle ask her to prove
her case. It's hilarious.
On the bright side she will never reproduce.
Daryl Hunt
"Dan" <B2...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:u0NRi.2506$e37....@newsfe20.lga...
The US Navy did a pretty good boondogle on a program using an enlarged
frisbee with a Flare on it to see if it was feasable. it wasn't.
Yes, your Tax Dollars at rest.
Ken S. Tucker
> > The Frisbee has generated a higher gross sales and
> > profits then all them on the list combined Rob.
> > The Frisbee has an attractive glide ratio considering
> > "aspect ratio", (I don't fully understand it), but I think
> > it is limited in scale up by Reynolds Number.
> > Thinking further about that, what's the smallest good
> > Frisbee?
> > Ken
>
> Wham-O used to make a 4" Frisbee.
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Yeah, bet you AF guys seen bottle caps snapped like
a little frisbee. A buddy of mine was great at it, 30-40
feet.
Ken
Dan
roughing it at bases that didn't have air conditioning in the club.
Rob Arndt
>
> - Show quoted text -
Only someone really lame would compare a toy Frisbee with SAP (Special
Access Program) a/c.
And the V-173 was a failure BTW as was the XF5U-1.
Others flew before it like the Lee Richards Annular Monoplane and
Biplane, Nemeth Round Wing, Guido Tallei Diridisk, Arup S-1 Uniplane
to S-4 models, and Kalinin K12. Foo Fighter sightings were in the
hundreds during the war and that IS identified as a German weapon
under PHOO BOMB and other documents list German flight discs. Postwar
secrecy has kept most disc programs quiet,but there is ample proof of
Avro Canada's 16 designs and that propaganda Avrocar, Townsend Brown's
documented experiments, and even foreign craft like Rene Couzinet's
disc and the Suchanov Discoplans mixed with a multitude of disclosed
patents by Republic, Northrop, Lockheed, Boeing, and NASA to show that
the type of unrequired military and space platform was being
researched in the Black Project realm.
I'm sorry you cannot accept the accounts from US Army documents, USAAF
and USAF records, BIOS/CIOS/FIAT/FOIA documents, eyewitness accts from
Robert J. Lee and the 2 USAF reporters sent to MacDill AFB that saw
Nazi disc and cylindrical ship technology, or the postwar patents of
known German disc specialists.
You can accept all the Black Projects that are conventional with ease,
but have some sort of mental block on disc a/c.
I can accept that you can't comprehend EMG, mercury-ion, and vortex
(low atomic pressure) propulsion systems or zero-point energy... but
others do and they are no more pipe dreams than jet a/c and the atomic
bomb were in the 1930s. the bomber pilots and gunners that first
encountered the German jets and rocket planes gasped at the sight of
propellerless a/c which was thought impossible and yet that did not
stop the Germans from producing 3 jet types and 1 rocket type plus
experiments and prototypes for 20 more in a short timespan.
But hey, don't let that stop you from your Frisbee banter...
A kids toy's , a kid's mentality.
Rob
Ken S. Tucker
Some of my best friends are pathological, they are
unable to sort fact from fiction. It's cause is drug use,
political-religious indoctrination, sometimes congenital.
It's a form of schizophrenia, for example, a symptom
of that ailment is acquiring alternative personalities,
like "Xenia".
Most are intelligent and believe themselves to be
honest, and would give the shirt off their back to
help you, IOW's people I'd welcome as neighbours.
Yours Truly xxx
Rachel
Dan
claims, xenia? You have yet to define such terms as "EMG," "vortex (low
atomic pressure)" and "zero point energy." This tells me you are either
making all this up or you are getting information from equally
incompetent and unreliable sources.
As for patents take a look at the rather large number of patented
inventions have never been built and therefore proved to work.
As for "eyewitness accounts" talk to any criminal law expert.
Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable.
Dan
Well, Rachel, let's not blame drugs in xenia's case. It may be as
simple as her being born with a wire hanger embedded in her head and
feeling unwanted ever since.
Ken S. Tucker
AAAhhh, Dan, I believe in latitude.
Ken
Dan
Dave Kearton
>>
>> AAAhhh, Dan, I believe in latitude.
>> Ken
But Master, shoud not lattitude come from within ?
--
Cheers
Dave Kearton
Dan
> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>>> AAAhhh, Dan, I believe in latitude.
>>> Ken
>
>
>
>
> But Master, shoud not lattitude come from within ?
>
>
>
latitude and longitude are defined from without.
Dave Kearton
But then should not the lattitude and longitude be flexible, like the reed
in the wind or like gravity in an EMG Maytag Vortex ?
--
Cheers
Dave Kearton
Not with those damn pebbles again master - you're deliberately gonig slow
Dean A. Markley
> Rob Arndt was seen to manipulate electrons thusly:
> I can accept that you can't comprehend EMG, mercury-ion, and vortex
> (low atomic pressure) propulsion systems or zero-point energy... but
> others do and they are no more pipe dreams than jet a/c and the atomic
> bomb were in the 1930s. the bomber pilots and gunners that first
> encountered the German jets and rocket planes gasped at the sight of
> propellerless a/c which was thought impossible and yet that did not
> stop the Germans from producing 3 jet types and 1 rocket type plus
> experiments and prototypes for 20 more in a short timespan.
>
> But hey, don't let that stop you from your Frisbee banter...
>
> A kids toy's , a kid's mentality.
>
> Rob
>
in the field of historical aircraft. You do have skills in researching
the technical aspects of many WWII German aircraft. Now, in an even
exchange of respect here, I think the least you could do is accept that
I am a very well trained scientist and know how to apply scientific
methods. I don't comprehend the items you mention because there is
nothing to comprehend. EMG? Is that electromagnetic gravity?
Mercury-ion propulsion? What a crock! Now if you had said argon-ion,
that is feasible. Using metals has two disadvantages, they are massive
and they cause immense corrosion issues. Zero-point energy? It is
nothing more than the lowest energy level possible in a system. Its
also called ground state. Quantum physics will tell you that you cannot
get any more energy out of such a system. This zero point stuff you are
mentioning is nothing more than the scam people use in perpetual motion
machines and burning water in an internal combustion engine. It's fraud.
Dean A. Markley
Dean A. Markley
grays have interbred with the greens? Heresy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dan
> Dan wrote:
>>> Dave Kearton wrote:
>>>> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>>>>>> AAAhhh, Dan, I believe in latitude.
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But Master, shoud not lattitude come from within ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Not when navigating the world of reality, Grasshopper. In that
>>> case latitude and longitude are defined from without.
>>>
>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
>
>
>
> But then should not the lattitude and longitude be flexible, like the reed
> in the wind or like gravity in an EMG Maytag Vortex ?
>
>
believe in secret underground Antarctic U-boat bases be lost in the
search for adequacy.
Dan
I use the term lie because she keeps making up her sources. This is a
new one. It's just a variation on her old lies.
Ken S. Tucker
Speaking of "path" I've had a few friends who were
"pathological", where they could not honestly sort
fact and fiction, it sort of blends in their mind.
Appears to be caused by heavy drug use, zealous
religious-political indoctrination, or congenital, it's a
form of schizophrenia, which Rob appeared to exhibit
by switching to "Xenia", proving it happens even to
intelligent, well intentioned people.
Ken
Ken S. Tucker
wrote:
> Dan wrote:
> >> Dave Kearton wrote:
> >>> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> >>>>> AAAhhh, Dan, I believe in latitude.
> >>>>> Ken
>
> >>> But Master, shoud not lattitude come from within ?
>
> >> Not when navigating the world of reality, Grasshopper. In that
> >> case latitude and longitude are defined from without.
>
> >> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> But then should not the lattitude and longitude be flexible, like the reed
> in the wind or like gravity in an EMG Maytag Vortex ?
A friend of mine claimed to have been in a secret
USAF hangar that had a *flying saucer* hovering
in it...very hush-hush, made for a good yarn.
When I asked if it could have been a balloon
he changed the subject.
We had a Maytag washer that when activated
shook the whole house with invisible force beams,
until wife balanced the laundry load.
> Cheers
> Dave Kearton
Cheers back...
Ken
Ken S. Tucker
> "Dan" <B2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
>
> > Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> The US Navy did a pretty good boondogle on a program using an enlarged
> frisbee with a Flare on it to see if it was feasable. it wasn't.
> Yes, your Tax Dollars at rest.
We usually think of a bullet with it's axis of
rotation parallel to it's trajectory, and that's
the principle of the rifle, gyroscopically
stabilizing the bullet.
Let's do a bit of physics.
I submit: The gyroscopic stability can be
perpendicular to the bullet.
How?
Shoot a rapidly spinning washer with razor
sharp edges, with the same momentum as
a 45 calibre bullet, except the disc bullet will
have a much smaller air friction co-efficient,
terms like sectional density and ballistic
co-efficient apply...in that case the stablity
vector is perpendicular to trajectory.
I'll add, convention bullets have a problem
with rear ass suction.
Might be an improved way of employing
explosive energy where anti-personel
shapnel ordinance is concerned.
Full steam ahead, damn the torpedoes.
Build it, try it.
Ken
Dan
Ah yes, Dan D. Torpedos, inventor of the sea mine.
Rob Arndt
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Mercury as power source:
http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/POWER/mercury/mercury.htm
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/Mercury.htm
For Zero-point energy read Nick Cook's book, "Hunt for Zero Point"-
you know, the one in the science section of your local bookstore.
Haunebu info:
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/HAUNEBU.htm
Rob
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Here, brush up on terrestrial disc development.
1911-1943 Non-German:
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/World%20Disc%20Development.htm
German:
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/index.html
Post-WW2:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread590/pg1
Rob
Dean A. Markley
And as for the link on mercury turbines? There is quite a difference
between a turbine using mercury as a working fluid and a mercury-ion engine.
Rob Arndt
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NASA experiemnted with a mercury-ion engine, so where is there any
conflict in that discussion???
You can also just Google for that simple information...
Rob
p.s. Nick Cook (of Jane's) book "Hunt for Zero Point" is controversial
b/c it deals with Die Glocke (Nazi Bell Device); but no matter what
the criticism about his trip and research, I do believe he gets into
the scientific discussion of Zero Point energy. The Bell Device is so
controversial and the zero-point science along with it, that I could
not hope to write anything more than Cook had. My page at my site just
repeats the basics on the Bell and does not even attempt to explain
the zero-point science (it would take many pages or a scientific sub-
section):
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/DIE%20GLOCKE.htm