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Scott M. Head

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7 jul. 1999 03:00:0007-07-1999
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Hi all,

I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
specialized topical collection of photos and models).

These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational schemes.

I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
tackier F-104s).

Any ideas?

All I know of off hand are:

CF-101B Electric Voodoo of 414 Sq.
USAF T-38s
Harrier Traniers
Bae Hawks
Douglas Skynights

--
Scott M. Head
Houston, TX
s...@iapc.net

Lawrence Nyveen

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7 jul. 1999 03:00:0007-07-1999
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In article <smh-070799...@10.10.0.91>, s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head)
wrote:

I hate to belabour the obvious, but I don't see the SR-71 there....

One non-jet you might consider is Ezer Weizman's personal Spitfire. No
longer a combat plane, it was a joyride well into the jet era. It's still
around at the IAF Museum.

Wasn't there a black Playboy airliner?

Laurie Nyveen nyv...@videotron.canada
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B17 GUY

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7 jul. 1999 03:00:0007-07-1999
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Non jet,but what the hell,B17G The Black Bitch of the 351st B.G.(H) was all
gloss black with a huge triangle J on it's tail.

Tarver Engineering

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7 jul. 1999 03:00:0007-07-1999
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Lawrence Nyveen wrote in message ...

>In article <smh-070799...@10.10.0.91>, s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head)
>wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for
a
>> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>>
>> These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational
>schemes.
>>
>> I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
>> predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of
the
>> tackier F-104s).


South West had a 737 pained like a whale for Sea World.

>> Any ideas?
>>
>> All I know of off hand are:
>>
>> CF-101B Electric Voodoo of 414 Sq.
>> USAF T-38s
>> Harrier Traniers
>> Bae Hawks
>> Douglas Skynights
>
>I hate to belabour the obvious, but I don't see the SR-71 there....

The SR is flat black insted of glossy.

John

Scott M. Head

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7 jul. 1999 03:00:0007-07-1999
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In article
<nyveen-0707...@modemcable010.88-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net>,
nyv...@videotron.canada (Lawrence Nyveen) wrote:

> I hate to belabour the obvious, but I don't see the SR-71 there....

Oops,

I was referring more to types that aren't usually black- I guess I wasn't
clear. For the obvious, we could add the SR-71 as you suggest, and the
U-2, F-117, among others. Thanks!

LesB

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7 jul. 1999 03:00:0007-07-1999
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Scott M. Head wrote:

>I was referring more to types that aren't usually black- I guess I wasn't
>clear. For the obvious, we could add the SR-71 as you suggest, and the
>U-2, F-117, among others. Thanks!

A B.2 Canberra - WK164 - was painted all-gloss black in 1956/57 and
flew, for a while, out of RAF Akrotiri on Spec Ops.

I've mailed you a couple of pics - not very good quality I'm afraid.

Also, another all black Canberra was part of a sigint sqd that I
happened not to be on at one time.


LesB
{take out one to mail}
EE Canberra Tribute Site
http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~lesb/canberra.html

Angus Cameron

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7 jul. 1999 03:00:0007-07-1999
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"Scott M. Head" wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>

> ...


>
> All I know of off hand are:
>
> CF-101B Electric Voodoo of 414 Sq.
> USAF T-38s
> Harrier Traniers
> Bae Hawks
> Douglas Skynights
>

F-16XL

Harry Andreas

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7 jul. 1999 03:00:0007-07-1999
aan
In article <smh-070799...@10.10.0.97>, s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head)
wrote:

> I was referring more to types that aren't usually black- I guess I wasn't
> clear. For the obvious, we could add the SR-71 as you suggest, and the
> U-2, F-117, among others. Thanks!

At last year's Van Nuys airshow I saw an F-15C that was painted black.
Don't really know why though. The pilot sais it had come back from some
special project, but if it was that "special" they wouldn't have shown it
at an airshow.

--
Harry Andreas
the engineering raconteur

replace baloney with computer to reply

Rolf T. Kappe

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7 jul. 1999 03:00:0007-07-1999
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The U.S. Navy VX-4 "Evaluators" had a F-4S and F-4J in an all
black paint scheme, an example of which can be found at
http://www.xs4all.nl/~voguenl/f4j153783.jpg

The VX-9 has a black F-14, a picture of which can be found here:
http://www.nawcwpns.navy.mil/~VX9/

--Rolf

Scott M. Head wrote in message ...

Zomby Woof

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7 jul. 1999 03:00:0007-07-1999
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The Avro CF-100 prototype was all-black.

ZW


John szalay

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7 jul. 1999 03:00:0007-07-1999
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B17 GUY wrote:
>
> Non jet,but what the hell,B17G The Black Bitch of the 351st B.G.(H) was all
> gloss black with a huge triangle J on it's tail.

pushing the limits here, I seem to remember a hand rubbed and waxed
black Japanese
fighter during the south pacific war. can,t remember the pilots name.
going to have to dig into the library to get the details...

Michael Williamson

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7 jul. 1999 03:00:0007-07-1999
aan
"Scott M. Head" wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>

> These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational schemes.
>
> I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
> predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
> tackier F-104s).
>

> Any ideas?


>
> All I know of off hand are:
>
> CF-101B Electric Voodoo of 414 Sq.
> USAF T-38s
> Harrier Traniers
> Bae Hawks
> Douglas Skynights

While not entirely black, B-52 aircraft operating during night raids used in
some cases gloss black undersurfaces. Some early schemes I've seen were
bare metal with just gloss black on the undersides, with the latest having
gloss black undersides and vertical surfaces, with just the tops of the wings,
engine nacelles, and fuselage painted in three-color camoflage.

Mike Williamson


Tex Houston

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7 jul. 1999 03:00:0007-07-1999
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How about Hugh Hefner's Playboy aircraft, DC-9, wasn't it?

Tex Houston

> Oops,


>
> I was referring more to types that aren't usually black- I guess I wasn't
> clear. For the obvious, we could add the SR-71 as you suggest, and the
> U-2, F-117, among others. Thanks!
>

Charlie Lister

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
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To move the spectrum Boscombe Down until recently and possibly still has a
black Bulldog (single engine side by side elementary trainer)

Many aircraft in the RAF inventory have aquired black because it is the best
low level high viz scheme. I wonder if MoD would tell us which ones.

yeah, right, dream on....

Michael Williamson wrote in message <37840688...@azstarnet.com>...

Serge Batoussov

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
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Lawrence Nyveen wrote:

> In article <smh-070799...@10.10.0.91>, s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head)


> wrote:
> > I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
> > specialized topical collection of photos and models).

> One non-jet you might consider is Ezer Weizman's personal Spitfire. No
> longer a combat plane, it was a joyride well into the jet era. It's still
> around at the IAF Museum.

You can find Weizman's "Black Spit" photos on my IAF Museum site.
--
Serge Batoussov. mailto:mako...@hotmail.com
My IAF Museum photo page: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7934/


tj1...@my-deja.com

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
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In article <93140899...@ns2.saturn.ispc.net>,

"Charlie Lister" <chassp...@private-treatment-centre.co.uk> wrote:
> To move the spectrum Boscombe Down until recently and possibly still
has a
> black Bulldog (single engine side by side elementary trainer)
>
> Many aircraft in the RAF inventory have aquired black because it is
the best
> low level high viz scheme. I wonder if MoD would tell us which ones.
>
> yeah, right, dream on....
>
> Michael Williamson wrote in message
<37840688...@azstarnet.com>...
> >"Scott M. Head" wrote:


One of the US narcotics enforcement agencies operate gloss black OV-10
Bronco.

Other UK (RAF) aircraft, apart from those already mentioned, that
presently operate with predominately gloss black are as follows.

Bell 412ep Griffin HT1 fly currently with DHFS, Defence Helicopter
Flying School at RAF Shawbury and SARTU, Search And Rescue Training
Unit at RAF Valley. These choppers have a yellow cabin top.
Eurocopter AS350BA Squirrel HT1 with DHFS. These choppers also have a
yellow cabin top.
HS Dominie T1. (HS125) No 3FTS, 55(R) Squadron at RAF Cranwell.
Predominately gloss black with a white cabin top.
Scottish Aviation Bulldog T.1 operated by various UAS, University Air
Squadrons and AEF, Air Experience Flights. Predominately gloss black
with gloss yellow areas painted.
Shorts Tucano T1. Nos 1 FTS at Linton-0n-Ouse and CFS, Central Flying
School at Topcliffe. RAF St Athans, and Boscombe Down also have some
examples. I've seen all black aircraft and some with gloss yellow
stripes.
TJ1234.


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Ralph Savelsberg

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
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Scott M. Head wrote:

> Hi all,
>


> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>

> These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational schemes.
>

> I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
> predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
> tackier F-104s).
>
> Any ideas?
>
> All I know of off hand are:
>
> CF-101B Electric Voodoo of 414 Sq.
> USAF T-38s
> Harrier Traniers
> Bae Hawks
> Douglas Skynights
>

> --
> Scott M. Head
> Houston, TX
> s...@iapc.net

Since the '70s VX-4 'Evaluators' of the USN had always had one Phantom II painted
gloss black, with a fancy playboy on the fin. The plane was known as 'Vandy one'.
The last one was an F-4S, the last to be retired from USN active service if I'm not
mistaken (apart from the QF-4S drones they are now operating from Pt. Mugu). When
it was retired around 1990, they painted one of their Tomcats black. Your average
Tomcat looks good, but the new 'Vandy one' was an eyecatcher for sure. VX-9, which
was formed by the merger of VX-4 and VX-5 still has a "Vandy one' though in these
politically correct times the Playboy insignia has been removed. It is the last
Tomcat built, F-14D BuNo 164604.
VFA-127 used a black F-5E as an agressor aircraft and show-stopper at open house
days. The paintscheme was inspired by the black 'MiG-28s' (F-5s painted black using
Latex) used in the Top Gun movie. They later painted one of their F-5Fs in a
similar scheme, but with a lot more red added: flames on the nose and the biggest
Red star I've ever seen on a US aircraft. This plane now serves with VFC-13 (or was
it VFC-12?), still painted black according to my latest information.

Ralph


tj1...@my-deja.com

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
aan
In article <smh-070799...@10.10.0.91>,

s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head) wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find
(for a
> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>
> These can be either special operational schemes or standard
operational schemes.
>
> I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
> predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some
of the
> tackier F-104s).
>
> Any ideas?
>
> All I know of off hand are:
>
> CF-101B Electric Voodoo of 414 Sq.
> USAF T-38s
> Harrier Traniers
> Bae Hawks
> Douglas Skynights
>
> --
> Scott M. Head
> Houston, TX
> s...@iapc.net

During the 1995 Airshow Season RAF Tornado GR1 serial number ZA560 was
specially painted in an over black gloss colour scheme. The aircraft
was from RAF Cottesmore TTTE (Tri-National Tornado Training
Establishment), officialy disbanded 24 February 99, and featured the
flags of Great Britain, Germany and Italy and the County of Rutland
Coat of Arms on the tail. The TTTE Squadron Crest was on the front
fuselage beneath the front seat.

BOD

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
aan
Scott M. Head wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>
> These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational schemes.
>
> I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
> predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
> tackier F-104s).
>
> Any ideas?
>
> All I know of off hand are:
>
> CF-101B Electric Voodoo of 414 Sq.
> USAF T-38s
> Harrier Traniers
> Bae Hawks
> Douglas Skynights
>
> --
> Scott M. Head
> Houston, TX
> s...@iapc.net
I am sending you pictures of our display jet from a season past.Hope you
like 'em.

Bod Yates
16(R) Squadron (Jaguars)
Royal Air Force Lossiemouth

Ralph Savelsberg

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
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Adding to my previous posting. The squadron still flying the gloss black F-5F is
definately VFC-13 (based at NAS Fallon).
The NFWS also used to fly a gloss black F/A-18B a couple of years ago. I however don't
know whether it still serves with NSAWC and whether it still is in its fancy black
paintscheme.

Ralph


wal...@oneimage.com

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
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Michael Williamson <spe...@azstarnet.com> wrote:

>"Scott M. Head" wrote:>
>>>> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
>> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>>Comment:
Pt. Mugu's 'Playboy' F4; P61 Black Widows (not jets); B57G special night bombers, some
RB57s (don't know mod number but had thimble radome), most RAF
WW2 (prop) heavy bombers had black undersides. BTW gloss finish was harder
to see at night than matte finish! Oh, yeah, Hugh Hefner's DC9
(with hot tub) before he overspent his money.
Walt BJ ftr plt ret

Mary Shafer

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
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s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head) writes:

> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
> specialized topical collection of photos and models).

> All I know of off hand are:

> USAF T-38s

Only the few assigned to the 95th RW, which were painted black on the
basis of a regulation that allowed squadrons to paint all their
aircraft in the same livery.

The SR-71 is semi-gloss (or satin), rather than matte black, so you
may wish to add it to your list. It's not gloss Imron like the T-38s
of the 95th RW have, but it's still somewhat glossy.

The F-18 HARV is more than half semi-gloss black (glossier than the
SR-71), as is the single-seat F-16XL. Check http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov
for pictures of both.

--
Mary Shafer http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/People/Shafer/mary.html
sha...@rigel.dfrc.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA
Lead Handling Qualities Engineer, SR-71/LASRE
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA
For non-aerospace mail, use sha...@ursa-major.spdcc.com please

Mary Shafer

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
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"Tarver Engineering" <jta...@tminet.com> writes:

> >I hate to belabour the obvious, but I don't see the SR-71 there....
>

> The SR is flat black insted of glossy.

Semi-gloss, aka satin, not matte.

Mary Shafer

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
aan
Michael Williamson <spe...@azstarnet.com> writes:

> While not entirely black, B-52 aircraft operating during night raids
> used in some cases gloss black undersurfaces. Some early schemes
> I've seen were bare metal with just gloss black on the undersides,
> with the latest having gloss black undersides and vertical surfaces,
> with just the tops of the wings, engine nacelles, and fuselage
> painted in three-color camoflage.

The B-52B in the EDW museum is painted that way, but it's not gloss
black. More like semi-gloss, or satin, instead.

Mary Shafer

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
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Angus Cameron <angus....@nospam.com> writes:

> F-16XL

Only the single-seater and it's semi-gloss, not gloss.

Tarver Engineering

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
aan

Mary Shafer wrote in message ...

>"Tarver Engineering" <jta...@tminet.com> writes:
>
>> >I hate to belabour the obvious, but I don't see the SR-71 there....
>>
>> The SR is flat black insted of glossy.
>
>Semi-gloss, aka satin, not matte.

Lockmart has a whole fleet black airplanes parked where the public can see
them at their Plant in Palmdale. I say they look like BBQ black.

John


Damien Burke

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
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On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:58:41 -0500, s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head) wrote:

>Hi all,
>


>I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
>specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>

>These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational schemes.
>
>I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
>predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
>tackier F-104s).

Which is it, standard or one-off's then? :)

Lots of RAF training types are black, it's the colour of choice these
days for high-vis. Suppose only the Hawk and Dominie fall under your
'jets only' rule though :)

The Canberra T.4 currently masquerading as the prototype is apparently
going to go black after the show season is over.

Mike Beachyhead's Buccaneers are gloss black, as is one of his
Lightnings.

111 Squadron (I think) had 'Black Mike', a rather swish F-4K in the late
80s. They also had all-black Hunters (for a display team - Delta Jets
operate an ex-237 OCU example in a similar scheme).

There's a nearly all-black Gnat T.1 on the civvy circuit in the UK
(G-RORI).

All I can think of for now.
--
Damien Burke (add 'k' to end of address if replying)
British military aircraft site: http://www.totavia.com/jetman/

LesB

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
aan
Scott M. Head wrote:
>I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
>predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
>tackier F-104s).

And another one mailed to you. An RAF Phantom of 111 Sqd, painted all
gloss black for an unknown (to me) occasion in the 80s.

If anyone knows why this Phantom was painted please let Scott know.

Captain Alehouse

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
aan
On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 12:01:47 GMT, tj1...@my-deja.com wrote:

>During the 1995 Airshow Season RAF Tornado GR1 serial number ZA560 was
>specially painted in an over black gloss colour scheme. The aircraft
>was from RAF Cottesmore TTTE (Tri-National Tornado Training
>Establishment), officialy disbanded 24 February 99, and featured the
>flags of Great Britain, Germany and Italy and the County of Rutland
>Coat of Arms on the tail. The TTTE Squadron Crest was on the front
>fuselage beneath the front seat.
>TJ1234.

During an earlier season (might have been 89) 16sqn, then in RAFG
painted a Gr1 up in all over black markings, with a giant saint on the
tail, not dis-similar to their display Jag. As I recall, it was
either matt or a fairly dull satin.

Rolf T. Kappe

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
aan

Mary Shafer wrote in message ...
>s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head) writes:
>> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for
a
>> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>> All I know of off hand are:
>> USAF T-38s
>
>Only the few assigned to the 95th RW, which were painted black on the
>basis of a regulation that allowed squadrons to paint all their
>aircraft in the same livery.

The 7FS T-38s at Holloman are painted glossy black as well,
probably for the same reason (to match the F-117s).

--Rolf

John szalay

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
aan
wal...@oneimage.com wrote:
>
> Michael Williamson <spe...@azstarnet.com> wrote:
> >"Scott M. Head" wrote:>
> >>>> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
> >> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
> >>Comment:
> Pt. Mugu's 'Playboy' F4; P61 Black Widows (not jets); B57G special night bombers, some
> RB57s (don't know mod number but had thimble radome), most RAF
> WW2 (prop) heavy bombers had black undersides. BTW gloss finish was harder
> to see at night than matte finish! Oh, yeah, Hugh Hefner's DC9
> (with hot tub) before he overspent his money.
> Walt BJ ftr plt ret


IIRC: the F4U Corsair night figther version was painted black...

--TIGGER--

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
aan Rolf T. Kappe
Correction-the 7FS is now the 7CTS (Combat Training Squadron). The 49th
TRS was retired and the 7th took over the additional duties about 3 weeks
ago.
-Kevin Helm

------------------------------Kevin Helm------------------------------
| Homepage: http://www-scf.usc.edu/~khelm |
_______ F-117A Site: http://www-scf.usc.edu/~khelm/Shabah.html ______

On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Rolf T. Kappe wrote:

>
> Mary Shafer wrote in message ...
> >s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head) writes:

> >> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for
> a
> >> specialized topical collection of photos and models).

Larry Curtis

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
aan
I have picture around here somewhere of a prototype RF-5E Tigereye Recon
bird that is black


Scott M. Head wrote in message ...
>Hi all,
>

>I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
>specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>

>These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational
schemes.
>

>I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
>predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
>tackier F-104s).
>

>Any ideas?


>
>All I know of off hand are:
>

Steve Hix

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8 jul. 1999 03:00:0008-07-1999
aan

> Scott M. Head wrote in message ...
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
> >specialized topical collection of photos and models).
> >
> >These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational
> schemes.
> >
> >I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
> >predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
> >tackier F-104s).
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >All I know of off hand are:
> >
> >CF-101B Electric Voodoo of 414 Sq.
> >USAF T-38s
> >Harrier Traniers
> >Bae Hawks
> >Douglas Skynights

Curtiss Blackhawk (nightfighter configuration?)

Mary Shafer

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9 jul. 1999 03:00:0009-07-1999
aan
"Rolf T. Kappe" <rol...@iname.com> writes:

> Mary Shafer wrote in message ...
> >s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head) writes:

> >> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for
> a
> >> specialized topical collection of photos and models).

> >> All I know of off hand are:

> >> USAF T-38s
> >
> >Only the few assigned to the 95th RW, which were painted black on the
> >basis of a regulation that allowed squadrons to paint all their
> >aircraft in the same livery.
>
> The 7FS T-38s at Holloman are painted glossy black as well,
> probably for the same reason (to match the F-117s).

You're exactly right; I forgot those airplanes entirely as I was
thinking of just Edwards and not the entire USAF (and I've even seen
those Holloman T-38s, which makes it even more embarassing). I should
have written that of the T-38s here at Edwards, only the few assigned
to the 95th RW were black, while the majority of them, being assigned
to the AFFTC, are in the usual white with international orange AFFTC
livery.

Furlong32

ongelezen,
9 jul. 1999 03:00:0009-07-1999
aan
>
>Mary Shafer wrote in message ...
>>s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head) writes:
>>> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for
>a
>>> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>>> All I know of off hand are:
>>> USAF T-38s
>>
>>Only the few assigned to the 95th RW, which were painted black on the
>>basis of a regulation that allowed squadrons to paint all their
>>aircraft in the same livery.
>
>The 7FS T-38s at Holloman are painted glossy black as well,
>probably for the same reason (to match the F-117s).
>
>--Rolf
>

>Mary Shafer wrote in message ...
>>s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head) writes:
>>> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for
>a
>>> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>>> All I know of off hand are:
>>> USAF T-38s

Most if not all Royal Air Force training aircraft including helicopters are now
painted gloss black.

nige

Susan Maddux

ongelezen,
10 jul. 1999 03:00:0010-07-1999
aan
Here's one I did not see listed bud. how about the P-61 black widow. a long
pursuit aircraft during WW2.
I believe it was a night interceptor. it had 2 engines and it kind of looked
like a b-25 and a b-26. "MADDOG"
<tj1...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7m23v6$95b$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <smh-070799...@10.10.0.91>,

> s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head) wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find
> (for a
> > specialized topical collection of photos and models).
> >
> > These can be either special operational schemes or standard
> operational schemes.
> >
> > I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
> > predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some
> of the
> > tackier F-104s).
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > All I know of off hand are:
> >
> > CF-101B Electric Voodoo of 414 Sq.
> > USAF T-38s
> > Harrier Traniers
> > Bae Hawks
> > Douglas Skynights
> >
> > --
> > Scott M. Head
> > Houston, TX
> > s...@iapc.net
>
> During the 1995 Airshow Season RAF Tornado GR1 serial number ZA560 was
> specially painted in an over black gloss colour scheme. The aircraft
> was from RAF Cottesmore TTTE (Tri-National Tornado Training
> Establishment), officialy disbanded 24 February 99, and featured the
> flags of Great Britain, Germany and Italy and the County of Rutland
> Coat of Arms on the tail. The TTTE Squadron Crest was on the front
> fuselage beneath the front seat.
> TJ1234.
>
>

Steve Hix

ongelezen,
10 jul. 1999 03:00:0010-07-1999
aan
In article <jTMh3.1802$s73....@typ21b.nn.bcandid.com>, "Susan Maddux"

<mad...@fallsnet.com> wrote:
> <tj1...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7m23v6$95b$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > In article <smh-070799...@10.10.0.91>,
> > s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head) wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find
> > (for a
> > > specialized topical collection of photos and models).
> > >
> > > These can be either special operational schemes or standard
> > operational schemes.
> > >
> > > I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
> > > predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some
> > >of the tackier F-104s).

> Here's one I did not see listed bud. how about the P-61 black widow. a long
> pursuit aircraft during WW2.
> I believe it was a night interceptor. it had 2 engines and it kind of looked
> like a b-25 and a b-26. "MADDOG"

Unfortunately, it wasn't a jet.

Tarver Engineering

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12 jul. 1999 03:00:0012-07-1999
aan

Steve Hix wrote in message ...

The Header does say Aircraft.

John

Krztalizer

ongelezen,
12 jul. 1999 03:00:0012-07-1999
aan
Don't forget that black Me-262 assigned to Kommando Welter. Although most
folks think of 2-seat, antlered-up Me-262B1-U1 aircraft when they picture a
night fighter German jet, the photo taken at Schlieswig in the flightline of
10./NJG 11 shows three two seaters (2 with radar, one a plain trainer), and in
the distance a total of at least 4 single seat nightfighters. Its impossible
to tell what all of their paint schemes looked like, but clearly, the third one
in that row is an all black (or extremely dark gray, but more likely black)
Me-262A-1a. No way to tell what number is on it -- veterans who flew with the
unit are only vaguely aware of the black machine and say it had a low numbered
digit painted forward of the cockpit. Could have been 1,2,3, or 5. The later
262s that arrived at Kdo Welter and transferred to 10./NJG 11 were not painted
to suit their night mission; they were accepted straight from the factory and
flown in whatever day camo was provided off the production line.

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR Aircrew

It's always better to lose AN engine than THE engine.

Matt Clonfero

ongelezen,
12 jul. 1999 03:00:0012-07-1999
aan
In article <19990709132358...@ng-bd1.aol.com>, Furlong32
<furl...@aol.com> wrote:

>Most if not all Royal Air Force training aircraft including helicopters are now
>painted gloss black.

The RAF determined that gloss black was the `most visible colour' for
trainers - apparently it provides the most contrast during the day; and
the gloss effect provides good reflections from lights at night.

Aetherem Vincere
Matt
--
Matt Clonfero: Mat...@aetherem.demon.co.uk | To err is human, To forgive
My employer and I have a deal - I don't speak | is not Air Force Policy.
for them, and they don't speak for me. | -- Anon, ETPS.

Bruce Grayson

ongelezen,
21 jul. 1999 03:00:0021-07-1999
aan
111 Squadron RAF had an aerobatic team of Hawker Hunters (Mk 5/6/6a I think)
for a few years in the late 1950's /early 1960's called "The Black Arrows"
and they were gloss black all over. I think they specialised in close
formations ... maybe up to 16 aircraft. That is possibly why that squadron's
phantom was painted black.
Nigel C. Eastmond wrote in message ...
>In article <3786f214...@nntp.netcruiser>, one...@netcomuk.co.uk

Mike Tighe

ongelezen,
4 aug. 1999 03:00:0004-08-1999
aan
On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:58:41 -0500, s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head)
wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
>specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>
>These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational schemes.
>
>I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
>predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
>tackier F-104s).

Looking back over some old messages, I came across this one and some
follow ups.

I don't think anyone mentioned the one-off Vickers Valiant B.2
prototype, WJ954.

But even if you can find a Valiant B.1 model somewhere, it would be a
fairly big job to convert it (longer fuselage, revised undercarriage
housed in fairings and so on).
--
Mike Tighe
Speaking from the bottom left
hand corner of the big picture.

John Ding

ongelezen,
5 aug. 1999 03:00:0005-08-1999
aan

Mike Tighe wrote in message <37a89217...@news.dircon.co.uk>...
====================

Scott and Mike,

Your (Mike's) mention of the Valiant reminds me of one of the HP Victor prototypes which I saw and got a grotty snap of about 5 minutes before it "went in", sadly, killing all on board. Can't now remember the year, but it would have been around 1952 ?

This was, to my knowledge, the only Victor that was all black with a dark red stripe running I believe, from nose to tail.

Then of course there were the magnificent 12 all black Hawker Hunters of the Black Arrows aerobatic display team of 111 Squadron (1958)


John Ding (UK)


John Eacott

ongelezen,
5 aug. 1999 03:00:0005-08-1999
aan

John Ding <roa...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:7oaspg$i3r$1...@neptunium.btinternet.com...

snip

Then of course there were the magnificent 12 all black Hawker Hunters of the
Black Arrows aerobatic display team of 111 Squadron (1958)


IIRC, the Black Arrows went up to 16 Hunters toward the end of their "time".
I certainly remember watching them at Farnborough with a 16 ship loop, a
year or so before "Phred's Five" barrel rolled a pair of Sea Vixens whilst
buddy refuelling. Back when the RAF was painted blue, not wearing
it.....................(reference to the ancient Brits who painted
themselves with woad before going into battle, for our transatlantic
cousins).

Cheers,

--
John Eacott
The Helicopter Service Australia


Damien Burke

ongelezen,
5 aug. 1999 03:00:0005-08-1999
aan
On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:24:12 GMT, mik...@dircon.co.uk (Mike Tighe)
wrote:

>But even if you can find a Valiant B.1 model somewhere, it would be a
>fairly big job to convert it (longer fuselage, revised undercarriage
>housed in fairings and so on).

There is a (crap) vacform available in 1/72 of the B.2. But it is very,
very, crap and expensive (long out of production).

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