OV-10 Paratroops
Kevin Forrester
I recently read in the latest Janes Aircraft Recognition Guide that the
OV-10 can carry up to 5 paratroops. Where?
BlackBeard
In article <33A9F7...@ozemail.com.au>, Kevin Forrester
<kf...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> I recently read in the latest Janes Aircraft Recognition Guide that the
> OV-10 can carry up to 5 paratroops. Where?
As related to me from our test jumpers...
'We climb in the back, backwards and sitting down. We get packed in
there nuts-to-butts. Then when it's time to jump, the pilot goes into a
steep climb and we all just slide out together (the back hatch is
removed).'
BlackBeard
Submarines once, Submarines twice...
Due to recent cutbacks, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off until further notice... (my new attitiude)
Jim
BlackBeard wrote:
-snip-
> As related to me from our test jumpers...
> 'We climb in the back, backwards and sitting down. We get packed in
> there nuts-to-butts. Then when it's time to jump, the pilot goes into a
> steep climb and we all just slide out together (the back hatch is
> removed).'
Saw it being done in Roosey Roads. It looks waaay cool.
Mike Tighe
On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:22:26 -0700, Kevin Forrester
<kf...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>I recently read in the latest Janes Aircraft Recognition Guide that the
>OV-10 can carry up to 5 paratroops. Where?
Believe it or not, they sit in the otherwise empty compartment behind
the cockpit. When the 601 TCW(?) used to send OV-10As to airshows,
they would sometimes open the door, which was basically the entire
fairing aft of the wing, hinged on one side. I never did get an
explanation on how this door was opened in flight, but I suspect it
may have just been removed or jettisoned.
Mike Tighe -
Striving steadily towards a 4,000 hour
mean time between sense of humour failures!
Bev Clark/Steve Gallacci
In article <this-1906970916050001@edward_teach.chinalake.navy.mil>,
BlackBeard <th...@reader.makes.me.doThis> wrote:
>In article <33A9F7...@ozemail.com.au>, Kevin Forrester
><kf...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>> I recently read in the latest Janes Aircraft Recognition Guide that the
>> OV-10 can carry up to 5 paratroops. Where?
>
> 'We climb in the back, backwards and sitting down. We get packed in
>there nuts-to-butts. Then when it's time to jump, the pilot goes into a
>steep climb and we all just slide out together (the back hatch is
>removed).'
To clairify, the fuselage aft of the cocpits was intended for misc. stuff
or some paratroops, the rear of the fuselage pod being a removable door.
I never saw anyone acutally do it, though the manuals have all kinds of
details on it, and the rear "door" is also a convienaint way to get at misc.
avionics and such the rest of the time.
DJA
Bev Clark/Steve Gallacci wrote:
OV-10 crews always lived well in the field. You would be amazed how
much junk you can stuff in the back and have really no effect on CG. The
D FLIR avionics were in the tailcone/door to offset the the FLIR ball in
the nose.
To do a para drop in a D would mean removing the door and possibly the
FLIR for CG, just never did it.
Proceedure for paradrops. (Rear door is removed)
From 200 ft AGL a brisk pull to 60 degrees nose up. Passing 1000 ft agl
hit the horn. After the lunitics were clear commence wingover and egress
at ingress altitude. Min airpseed was usually 85 to 90 kts. Four jumped
and one stayed behind to recover the static lines.
The lunitics enjoyed an inverted parachute deployment.
They ride facing backwards, the last guy's legs hang out
There is a story of one falling out of a VMO-1 airplane at 200 feet and
landing in a tree, he survived. Word is he unhooked his gunners belt
before the pop....
Lunatics those guys....
DJA
Hostage Pigpen
VMO-2
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Mike Kopack
Kevin Forrester wrote:
> I recently read in the latest Janes Aircraft Recognition Guide that
> the
> OV-10 can carry up to 5 paratroops. Where?
Quite a few times I remember seeing, at airshows (MCAS Cherry Point?),
an OV-10 do a max preformance demo (quite a sight in itself) without the
rear door. As a last pass the Bronco would make a quick climb and the
troops would just "fall out" Speaking to them later, they said it was
simply a case of unbuckling the belt and there you go...
Mike
E2
In the tailcone/cargo "bay".
Kevin Forrester <kf...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in article
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Kristan Roberge
Kevin Forrester <kf...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> I recently read in the latest Janes Aircraft Recognition Guide that the
> OV-10 can carry up to 5 paratroops. Where?
Stuffed in the glovebox... really :)
I don't know about 5 paratroops, but I have a picture of ONE paratroop
coming out a hatch in the very ASS of the fuselage.
Jim Atkins
Saw this at El Toro about 15 years ago. Paratroops are stuffed into the
fuselage behind the ejection seats- there are handholds in the sides-
necessary because the tail cone is removed. The bronco came over the field
low and very fast, then pulled up into a vertical climb- at the stall, the
troops just let go of the handholds and drop out- Made a quarter of a
million air show attendees go OOOH!!
Jim Atkins
Willcox AZ
M Tipton
Recon forces often would pile into the back end, after the
rear tail cone was removed and a "net" installed.
5 to 6(ouch) men with equipment could be carried, and
deposited "anywhere"!
Usually at low, 1500 feet or lower, opening altitudes!
It was common for "one swing" of the chute, and on the ground you were!
M
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> Kevin Forrester <kf...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > I recently read in the latest Janes Aircraft Recognition Guide that the
> > OV-10 can carry up to 5 paratroops. Where?
Yep, the OV-10 can carry paratroops. I've seen a program on the Discovery
Channel about the US Marines. Their recon teams use the OV-10 for low-level
parachute insertions. The troops are carried in the back of the aircraft,
and the method used looks pretty wild:
The aircraft comes in at treetop-height, then suddenly climbs steeply
(90deg.). The paratroops are pulled out of the rear cargo hold by gravity
and their parachutes are released by a line. Very stealthy and very
efficient!
Maury Markowitz
In article <01bc7ddb$2260a480$bd53...@worldnet.worldnet.att.net>, "M
Tipton" <mik...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Usually at low, 1500 feet or lower, opening altitudes!
>
> It was common for "one swing" of the chute, and on the ground you were!
From 1500ft that's over a minute for sure, someone's pulling your leg.
Maury
DJA
Maury Markowitz wrote:
They begin to exit at 1000 ft agl
last guy out by 1500 or so
Witnessed by thousands at airshows and I've flown it myself.
What's not to believe?
DJA
Maury Markowitz
> They begin to exit at 1000 ft agl
Even that's a bit of a ride on a round. Remember, normal paradrops are
at 500ft or less, and the latest rigs are good for 300ft.
> What's not to believe?
That it's "two swings to the ground". I'm a jumper, 1500ft openings are
not terribly rare, they're a typical part of a cutaway, even 1000ft is not
at all unexpected in these situations. Even in these cases - with the
diver falling at a good rate after terminal and a track, it's a lot more
than "two swings and you're down".
Maury
Glenn Dowdy
DJA wrote:
>
> Maury Markowitz wrote:
>
> > In article <01bc7ddb$2260a480$bd53...@worldnet.worldnet.att.net>, "M
> > Tipton" <mik...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Usually at low, 1500 feet or lower, opening altitudes!
> > >
> > > It was common for "one swing" of the chute, and on the ground you
> > were!
> >
> > From 1500ft that's over a minute for sure, someone's pulling your
> > leg.
> >
> > Maury
>
>
>
> Witnessed by thousands at airshows and I've flown it myself.
>
>
plenty of time to wonder why you're doing this. I'd be more apt to
believe 500 ft. AGL drops consisting of "one swing, and on the ground".
Were these static line or short free fall jumps?
Glenn Dowdy
DJA
Glenn Dowdy wrote:
Static line
DJA
Maury Markowitz wrote:
> In article <33ADC65D...@ntr.net>, DJA <NOSPAM...@ntr.net>
> wrote:
>
> > They begin to exit at 1000 ft agl
>
> Even that's a bit of a ride on a round. Remember, normal paradrops
> are
> at 500ft or less, and the latest rigs are good for 300ft.
>
> > What's not to believe?
>
> That it's "two swings to the ground". I'm a jumper, 1500ft openings
> are
> not terribly rare, they're a typical part of a cutaway, even 1000ft is
> not
> at all unexpected in these situations. Even in these cases - with the
>
> diver falling at a good rate after terminal and a track, it's a lot
> more
> than "two swings and you're down".
>
> Maury
Oh I see, ya you're prolly right I've watched from the ground as well
and its longer than 12 swing
DJA
Dale L. Falk
In article <maury-23069...@199.166.204.230>, ma...@softarc.com
(Maury Markowitz) wrote:
>
> That it's "two swings to the ground". I'm a jumper, 1500ft openings are
> not terribly rare, they're a typical part of a cutaway, even 1000ft is not
> at all unexpected in these situations. Even in these cases - with the
> diver falling at a good rate after terminal and a track, it's a lot more
> than "two swings and you're down".
>
> Maury
700 AGL, C-130, combat equipment.....I was still swinging when I landed.
--
Dale L. Falk
Maury Markowitz
In article <dfalk-24069...@pool1-3.aonline.com>, df...@aonline.com
(Dale L. Falk) wrote:
> 700 AGL, C-130, combat equipment.....I was still swinging when I landed.
So was I under a lopo that decided to overload at 250ft and slammed me
sideways into the ground. That hurt. Para's can swing all the way down
if you're unlucky and it's not spilling enough.
That's not really the point though. It's basically 1 minute per 1000ft
under a T-10, maybe 1 minute per 1500ft. A drop at 1000ft is more than
"two swings".
Maury
Chris Manteuffel
Kristan Roberge <krob...@magi.com> wrote:
>Kevin Forrester <kf...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> I recently read in the latest Janes Aircraft Recognition Guide that the
>> OV-10 can carry up to 5 paratroops. Where?
>
>
>I don't know about 5 paratroops, but I have a picture of ONE paratroop
>coming out a hatch in the very ASS of the fuselage.
If you read _Ground Attack Vietnam_ by a name similar to J.M. Moriarty, in
one of the later chapters he described piloting an OV-10 with the paras in
the back.
Chris Manteuffel
DJA
Chris Manteuffel wrote:
> If you read _Ground Attack Vietnam_ by a name similar to J.M.
> Moriarty, in
> one of the later chapters he described piloting an OV-10 with the
> paras in
> the back.
>
> Chris Manteuffel
I read a book about Bronco Ops in Vietnam by an Airforce Pilot. In one
chapter he describes how he picked up a downed pilot and that the
airplane was difficult to handle due to an aft CG condition caused by
the passenger.
After that chaper I put the book down.
I had a problem with the authors credibility as there is no real
difference in the feel with 5 jumpers much less one passenger. Oh well
maybe he ran the trim way up in all the excitiment.
I can't recall the book title, can anyone else?
TJ
The maneuver was called "pitch and puke" and the door was removed
before flight. The cargo compartment was in fact designed to carry
5 paratroopers or 2 litter patients and an attendant for MedEvac. Also
worked great for papasan chairs from the PI and TVs from Tokyo. TJ
JTC
I new a TJ in the airforce. Where and when did you fly the OV?
Jim
TJ wrote:
>
> The maneuver was called "pitch and puke" and the door was removed
> before flight. The cargo compartment was in fact designed to carry
> 5 paratroopers or 2 litter patients and an attendant for MedEvac. Also
> worked great for papasan chairs from the PI and TVs from Tokyo. TJ
It looks like that plane is taking a dump when they do it.