Ross Perot Jr. get to keep his T-38 ?
CCBlack
this weekend. While walking around checking out the static displays I
saw a Air Force T-38C. Cool ... and I was talking to the pilot ( from
Randolph AFB ). Then I looked over and saw a T-38A in Thunderbird
colors. I had heard about this airplane and seen photo's before but
never close up. Wow. What a thing of beauty parked there gleaming in
the sun. Looks factory fresh with no paint chips that I could see. I
understand the plane belongs to Ross Perot Jr. who also pilots the
thing. I understand Mr. Perot had a bunch of legal problems from the
United States government after he had spent a bunch of money restoring
the aircraft. They wanted it back unless he was going to turn it over
to a museum or something ? Anyone know what became of all that ?
Chris
Rob Arndt
In 2004 he was supposed to turn one of the 2 T-38s over to Frontiers
of Flight Museum. Do not know rest of story or which one you saw, but
here is great shot of it:
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Aircraft/Displays/ThunderbirdsTalon.jpg
Rob
Rob Arndt
>
> Rob
Legal battle here:
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1147943134655
Rob
CCBlack
> In 2004 he was supposed to turn one of the 2 T-38s over to Frontiers
> of Flight Museum. Do not know rest of story or which one you saw, but
> here is great shot of it:
>
Yeah thats it. The other jet is hanging from the ceiling in the
Frontiers of Flight museum in Dallas. ( next to Love field ).
I was talking to the guy ' guarding ' the plane at Alliance
airport. I asked if the ejection seats were ' armed and working '.
He said yup. I thought that was against FAA regs for a civilian jet.
Hmmm
Chris
CCBlack
> In 2004 he was supposed to turn one of the 2 T-38s over to Frontiers
> of Flight Museum. Do not know rest of story or which one you saw, but
> here is great shot of it:
>
Peter Stickney
Nope. It's pretty much normal for Jet Warbirds.
The difficulty comes when you've got old cartridge seats, like
on a T-33 or an F-86. It can be hard to get the cartridges certified
when their inspection interval comes due.
--
Pete Stickney
Without data, all you have is an opinion
Jim Yanik
news:1193019980.9...@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
A long time ago,I read about a man (not Perot) who owned his own aircraft
maintenance company,and bought a wrecked and "demilled" T-38 airframe that
had inadvertantly not been cut up,and using his facilities and resources he
eventually restored it to flight condition,and it was supposedly the only
legal civilian T-38.
Also that the US military was unhappy about it.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
Rob Arndt
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As of 2007, there are 4 privately-owned T-38s in the world and 700+/-
operational.
Here is another T-38:
http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/t38.jpg
N38TG, a 1965 T-38A registered to Great Planes Sales, Inc.,
Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA, at Oshkosh 1999. Photo by Buck Wyndham
Rob
Leadfoot
"Jim Yanik" <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns99D183E2832...@64.209.0.85...
Many years ago the same thing happened with an F-104. Wound up with a
gear malfunction and had to eject.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-104_Starfighter#Civilian_use
Dave Eadsforth
stic...@comcast.net> writes
Contact Martin Baker - they probably have a box or two with the contents
wrapped in greased brown paper...
Cheers,
Dave
>
--
Dave Eadsforth
Peter Stickney
These things have a shelf life. They don't keep forever, and if the newest
ones are 45 years old, you've probably got a problem.
Not all seats are Markin Bakers. Quite a few od the older seats are made by
companies that don't exist. And. while I'd bet that M-B are still hanging
on to/making rockets for their older seats, The earlier seats don't use
rockets - they use the old "Cannon Shell" cartridges.
Rob Arndt
> > stick...@comcast.net> writes
>
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What's funny is that both Germany and Sweden pioneered pressure suits
and ejection seats before WW2 even started and ended WW2 with the most
advanced systems... long before MB became a military standard in the
ejection seat business.
Rob
Dave Eadsforth
seats are that they were a bit dumpier - a bit like pill boxes - rather
than long like a cannon shell: the breeches had to be somewhat compact.
One big one sat at the bottom of the tube and two more were placed
further up to provide a smoother (relatively!) acceleration.
This is clearly a challenge for Lee and RCBS - a slightly larger
reloading press than normal, but no problem, I'm sure. Might need a new
primer size, and a table of loadings and propellants - what about 2 oz
of Unique for starters and work up from there...?
Dave Eadsforth
Arndt <teut...@aol.com> writes
cartridges as well, but lacking the full concept of what an ejection
seat should be. James Martin was a person with extraordinary clarity of
thought who could not only envisage a complete requirement but could
engineer it as well. It was MB engineering which succeeded in the end -
not marketing; there was none to speak of.
Story about James Martin. One day, Martin turned up at Joe Smith's
office with parts of a Spitfire canopy under his arm. He had just
developed an emergency canopy release which worked by pulling a ball and
which simultaneously released catches on both sides of the canopy.
Neat, a typically simple Martin solution, but not thought of up to that
point.
Smith had had a bad day and did not take Martin's forceful enthusiasm in
the best spirit, basically saying that when he wanted someone's advice
he'd ask for it. Which led to Martin leaving with the words 'All right,
Smith, you can stuff your bloody Spitfire up your a**e for all I care'.
Smith realised his blunder and sent an assistant after Martin to try and
recover the situation. They became friends, and Martin's device
eventually became standard.
Dave Kearton
>> The cartridges are big, but my fading memory of those of the earlier
>> seats are that they were a bit dumpier - a bit like pill boxes -
>> rather than long like a cannon shell: the breeches had to be
>> somewhat compact. One big one sat at the bottom of the tube and two
>> more were placed further up to provide a smoother (relatively!)
>> acceleration.
>>
>> This is clearly a challenge for Lee and RCBS - a slightly larger
>> reloading press than normal, but no problem, I'm sure. Might need a
>> new primer size, and a table of loadings and propellants - what
>> about 2 oz of Unique for starters and work up from there...?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>>
Not to mention the tighter grouping you can get with custom handloads....
--
Cheers
Dave Kearton
Dave Eadsforth
01.iinet.net.au>, Dave Kearton <dkearton///////@ozemail.com.au> writes
And you'd probably need a few tower shots to verify velocity and
comfort...
Trial 20 - 'How did that one feel? Better? Speak up, I can't hear
you...'