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Maj. Oz 'Kahuna' Trad

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Jul 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/30/98
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Good Day,
Anyone know the name of the song/hymn that is sung/played at the funerals of infinity bound aviators?
In the movie "the Right Stuff" this song is sung by the morbid chaplin at graveside, timed with a missing
man formation. This song is also recognizable in the background during a memorial ceremony for one of
Adm. Cheswick's buds on the TV show JAG. And no, I don't mean Jon Gillespie Magee's poem 'High
Flight'. Any help would be appreciated.

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matheson

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Jul 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/31/98
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The hymn to which you refer is really just the last (modern) verse of an
old hymn entitled "Eternal Father Strong to Save". Should be able to look
it up in any church hymnal (might have to be older than 1960's; Vietnam and
all that anti-war crap you know). The original was in the Church of
Scotland prayer book (1927) I used just last week in Lochalsh.

LtCol Les Matheson
F-4C,D,E,G WSO/EWO
AC-130A/MC-130E EWO

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ArtKramr

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Jul 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/31/98
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>Anyone know the name of the song/hymn that is sung/played at the funerals
>of infinity bound aviators?
>
>In the movie "the Right Stuff" this song is sung by the morbid chaplin
>at graveside, timed with a missing
>
>man formation. This song is also recognizable in the background during
>a memorial ceremony for one of
>
>Adm. Cheswick's buds on the TV show JAG. And no, I don't mean Jon Gillespie
>Magee's poem 'High
>
>

I attended a number of funerals in England France and Belgium up until VE day
and never heard a hymn sung. And no of no such hymn. But I guess things are
different in the movies and in TV. Maybe a movie director or TV producer can be
of more help to you.

Arthur

Maj. Oz 'Kahuna' Trad

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ArtKramr wrote:

Or maybe in the last *53 years* since VE day there *might* be a chance
of such a hymn?
Anyway, I got the info I needed from the astute LtCol Matheson. Thank
you both for
your replies.

Scott MacLeod

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>The hymn to which you refer is really just the last (modern) verse of an
>old hymn entitled "Eternal Father Strong to Save". Should be able to look


Try this link:

http://tch.simplenet.com/htm/eternalf.htm

Everything you ever wanted to know about the song that is played at every
COC I've ever been to. Even has a midi file you can sing along to!

Scott

Ernest D. Foote

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Jul 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/31/98
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Try:
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq53-1.htm
or
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/questions/eternal.html
to hear it.

Ernie

P.S. Art

Naval Aviators have used their version since 1915, guess we are not as
tough as the USAAC.

Ralph Jones

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Maj. Oz 'Kahuna' Trad wrote:

> Good Day,


> Anyone know the name of the song/hymn that is sung/played at the
> funerals of infinity bound aviators?
> In the movie "the Right Stuff" this song is sung by the morbid chaplin
> at graveside, timed with a missing
> man formation. This song is also recognizable in the background during
> a memorial ceremony for one of
> Adm. Cheswick's buds on the TV show JAG. And no, I don't mean Jon
> Gillespie Magee's poem 'High

> Flight'. Any help would be appreciated.

Major--

If you're talking about "Eternal Father", it's also known loosely as the
Navy Hymn:

"Eternal Father, strong to save,
Whose hand hath bound the restless wave,
Who bid'st the mighty ocean deep,
Its own appointed limits keep;
Hear us as we cry to Thee,
For those in peril on the sea."

It was sung in the last church service on the Titanic, and you can hear
a choir singing it in the film "Crimson Tide", as backdrop to that
beautiful visual sequence of the submarine diving at sunset.

rj

BShimp3003

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Jul 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/31/98
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Here you go. It is a Navy oriented hymn, and because of that the verse you are
talking about is (I think) generally associated with Naval or Coast Guard
aviation. Copied off a website someone posted:

Eternal Father, strong to save,

Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who biddest the mighty ocean deep


Its own appointed limits keep;

Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee,
For those in peril on the sea!

O Christ! Whose voice the waters heard
And hushed their raging at Thy Word,
Who walked on the foaming deep,
And calm amidst its rage didst sleep;
Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee,
For those in peril on the sea!

Most Holy Spirit! Who didst brood
Upon the chaos dark and rude,
And bid its angry tumult cease,
And give, for wild confusion, peace;
Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee,
For those in peril on the sea!

O Trinity of love and power!
Our family shield in danger's hour;
From rock and tempest, fire and foe,
Protect us wheresoever we go;
Thus evermore shall rise to Thee
Glad hymns of praise from land and sea.

Alternate verses:

Lord, guard and guide the men who fly
Though the great spaces in the sky.
Be with them always in the air,
In darkening storms or sunlight fair;
Oh, hear us when we lift our prayer,
For those in peril in the air!
Mary C. D. Hamilton (1915)

Eternal Father, Lord of hosts,
Watch over the men who guard our coasts.
Protect them from the raging seas
And give them light and life and peace.
Grant them from Thy great throne above
The shield and shelter of Thy love.
Author unknown

God, Who dost still the restless foam,
Protect the ones we love at home.
Provide that they should always be
By Thine own grace both safe and free.
O Father, hear us when we pray
For those we love so far away.
Hugh Taylor (date unknown)

O Father, King of earth and sea,
We dedicate this ship to Thee.
In faith we send her on her way;
In faith to Thee we humbly pray:
O hear from heaven our sailor's cry
And watch and guard her from on high!
Author/date unknown

And when at length her course is run,
Her work for home and country done,
Of all the souls that in her sailed
Let not one life in Thee have failed;
But hear from heaven our sailor's cry,
And grant eternal life on high!
Author/date unknown


SPC Robb Shimp
270th MP Co CANG

We're all here 'cause we ain't all there!

ArtKramr

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Every funeral I attended was held in an open field, usually a corner of the
airbase used as a cemetary. I never attended one that was in a church.

Arthur

Rex Bradley

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Jul 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/31/98
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In article <199807311924...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, BShimp3003
<bshim...@aol.com> writes

>Here you go. It is a Navy oriented hymn, and because of that the verse you are
>talking about is (I think) generally associated with Naval or Coast Guard
>aviation. Copied off a website someone posted:
Snip of great list including new to me verses. Its a popular hymn down
here on the South Coast of Olde England, I even had it at my wedding!

The verses about the flyers are great.
--
Rex

Big Bad Berticus

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Aug 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/1/98
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Wow - that show "JAG" is great comic relief. I love it when they use
old "Top Gun" footage for the aircraft scenes. Aviators and SEALs
find themselves in the JAG Corps, and fat junior officers are
presented in a good light, and pretty boy/girl actors are everywhere!
If only it were really like that, I'd be having more fun as a sailor
than I do now.

Big Bad Berticus sends (Have a great Navy day!)...

Stephen Shepherd

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Aug 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/3/98
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Known widely in the Royal Navy as the "Naval Hymn". The last verse, not
the first verse as detailed below, is sung at every Naval church
service. I recall singing it on the Quarterdeck of HMS ARK ROYAL in the
middle of the Carribean; 400+ matelots in tropical rig belting it out,
blue skies, very stirring.


> Navy Hymn:


>
> "Eternal Father, strong to save,

> Whose hand hath bound the restless wave,
> Who bid'st the mighty ocean deep,

> Its own appointed limits keep;

> Hear us as we cry to Thee,
> For those in peril on the sea."
>

> rj

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THE HANGAR

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Maj. Oz 'Kahuna' Trad wrote:
 Good Day,
Anyone know the name of the song/hymn that is sung/played at the funerals of infinity bound aviators?
In the movie "the Right Stuff" this song is sung by the morbid chaplin at graveside, timed with a missing
man formation. This song is also recognizable in the background during a memorial ceremony for one of
Adm. Cheswick's buds on the TV show JAG. And no, I don't mean Jon Gillespie Magee's poem 'High
Flight'. Any help would be appreciated.

Regards,

--
Major Oz 'Kahuna' Trad
1st CMAG Webmaster, VMFA-323 Information Officer
1st Cyber Marine Air Group
http://www.tstonramp.com/~kahuna/CMAG.html
VMFA-323rd Cougars, "We Fight as One"
http://www.tstonramp.com/~kahuna
 

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James Downing

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Aug 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/16/98
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Ralph Jones wrote:
>
> Maj. Oz 'Kahuna' Trad wrote:
>
> > Good Day,
> > Anyone know the name of the song/hymn that is sung/played at the
> > funerals of infinity bound aviators?

> Major--


>
> If you're talking about "Eternal Father", it's also known loosely as the

> Navy Hymn:
>
> "Eternal Father, strong to save,
> Whose hand hath bound the restless wave,
> Who bid'st the mighty ocean deep,
> Its own appointed limits keep;
> Hear us as we cry to Thee,
> For those in peril on the sea."
>

> rj

I think the following lyrics to "Eternal Father" are
more appropriate........

Lord, guard and guide the men who fly

Through the great spaces in the sky.


Be with them always in the air,
In darkening storms or sunlight fair;
Oh, hear us when we lift our prayer,
For those in peril in the air !

by Mary C.D. Hamilton (1915)

Flying was still pretty new then, but I'm sure
there were many pilots who needed it.

Jim Downing
CV-67 shipmate 1976-1979

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