Pentagon RESCUE? Open, Bloody, Questions. Parts 3 & 4. FBI Takeover & Purge
Carol A. Valentine
Open, Bloody, Questions . . .
by Carol A. Valentine
President, Public Action, Inc.
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Copyright, June, 2002
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PART III: INTERNECINE WARFARE AND A PURGE
Rumsfeld, Military Hand Their Jobs To FBI
From The Ridiculous To The Bizarre
FBI Grabs Military Intelligence Documents
Foreign Fifth Column Operates Openly On US Soil
ADL's Treasonous Policies
Israeli In-Your-Face Covert Action
ADL and FBI Are Partners, FBI Director Says
Defense Investigative Service Warns of Israeli/Jewish Spies
ADL Uses The Old "Anti-Semitism" Canard
Defense Investigative Service Patriots Were Right
Recruiting Fifth Columnists
Defense Investigative Service Takes A Dive
Army Free Speech Regarding Israel
Army Suffers Heaviest Losses On 9-11
Army Remains Suspicious of Israelis
Navy and Defense Investigative Services Deaths
No Air Force or Marine Deaths
Another Marine Miracle
Marines Work For FBI On 9-11
US Marines And Israel Are Bugs In a Rug
Special Ops Lauds Barak Assassinations
A Word About The Special Operations Command
Special Ops, At Israel's Service, Circa 1993
Cooking Up Plausible Causes Of Death
Lies And Dumb Lies
"Bone Guys" Paw Pentagon Cadavers
Made-To-Order Autopsy Reports
Pentagon Victims On Hit List?
Meet Waco Wayne
Shelton Succeeds Waco Wayne
RUMSFELD, MILITARY, HAND THEIR JOBS TO FBI
Let's go back to the beginning, and state the obvious. The
Pentagon is not your ordinary run-of the-mill office building.
The Pentagon is the military headquarters for the mightiest
military power on earth. It is the home of the US Navy, Army,
Air Force, Marines, and Special Operations.
According to the Official Story, the 9-11 attack on the Pentagon
was an act of war. Rumsfeld and the top brass had lawful
jurisdiction over the piece of real estate on which the "act of
war" had just occurred; the Pentagon building was a war zone.
But what did Rumsfeld, Gen. Shelton, and the top brass do? On
September 11, 2001, they gave jurisdiction of the war zone to the
FBI -- a division of the civilian Department of Justice.
Donald Rumsfeld dropped the news casually at his September 11,
2001, news conference:
" . . . the FBI has secured the site."
Speaking of those supervising entry into the damaged portion of
the Pentagon on September 11, White said:
"That entry will be supervised by the FBI, who are in charge of
the site." (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/t09112001_t0911sd.html
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Wow! After September 11, they brought soldiers to Wall Street to
secure civilians, and brought civilians to the Pentagon to
secure the nation's military headquarters. Who wrote this script?
("The View From Ground Zero," Business Week, September 24, 2001,
pg. 47.
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-wallstreet)
All of this is as natural as a fish perched in a tree or a robin
swimming up river. And yet it happened, and NOBODY commented on
the strangeness of it all.
Notice that when Rumsfeld and White spoke, they did not mention
who had given the FBI jurisdiction over the Pentagon. They
merely said:& " . . . the FBI has secured the site," and "the
FBI, who are in charge of the site." But as Secretary of
Defense, Donald Rumsfeld was surely the person who gave his
jurisdiction away. He did it by simply redefining the war zone
as a "crime scene." And who handles crimes on federal property?
Why, the FBI, maybe?
It's laughable when you think about it. The headquarters of the
mightiest military force on earth is attacked in an "act of war"
and has to have its site "secured" by a civilian agency.
And there was Gen. Shelton, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff, standing by silently, having abandoned the
responsibilities of the US military. Can you read the expression
on his face as Rumsfeld spoke?
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Read the transcript of the press interview; not one reporter
picked up on this anomaly and questioned Rumsfeld or White or Shelton.
FROM THE RIDICULOUS TO THE BIZARRE
Later, the DoD would say they gave jurisdiction over the "crime
scene" to - hold on to your hat -- the Arlington County Fire
Department; that the Fire Department exercised jurisdiction for
10 days before handing it over to the FBI. This from the DoD's
own American Forces Press Service:
"The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon
Terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.)
Fire Department, officials said . . .
"Plaugher [Fire Chief] said Arlington firefighters will continue
providing emergency protection for FBI investigators combing the
crash site . . . He said his department would also assist in
processing evidence." ("FBI Assumes Jurisdiction At Pentagon
Crash Site," AFIS, Sept. 24)
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But of course! The Arlington County Fire Department, armed with
50 mm water cannons, were "protecting" the FBI and had
jurisdiction over the Pentagon war zone. Pigs fly, too.
This extraordinary story is repeated on the Arlington County Fire
Department's webpage. Look for it in the News Release section,
"Arlington Transfers Pentagon Site To FBI," September 21, 2001 (http://www.co.arlington.va.us/NewsReleases/Scripts/ViewDetail.asp?index=608
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The Pentagon rescue was just one lie after another.
FBI GRABS MILITARY INTELLIGENCE DOCUMENTS
If the Arlington County fire department had jurisdiction over the
Pentagon crime scene from September 11 to September 21, the news
must have been kept quiet. On September 14, the Associated Press
ran a story which clearly indicates the FBI was actually in
charge.
But more importantly, the AP report reveals the FBI took
possession of military intelligence documents at the site. The
story quoted Jerry Crawford, a civilian, and leader of an urban
search and rescue team from Memphis, Tenn.
" . . . Crawford also said officials were worried about
classified material and intelligence information that is strewn
throughout the rubble. He said no military intelligence
officials have been allowed into the area . . . 'We have the FBI
with us and nobody is touching anything they're not supposed to
touch,' Crawford said. He said that when rescue workers 'see
something marked secret or sensitive, we leave it alone.'"
("Work being done to shore up Pentagon," Associated Press,
September 14, 2001
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Did you notice that? NO MILITARY INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS WERE
ALLOWED INTO THE AREA THAT WAS STREWN WITH MILITARY INTELLIGENCE DOCUMENTS.
Under what circumstances would military intelligence people ever
lose jurisdiction over their own documents? Why, when their
documents have been scattered over a "crime scene," and the FBI
has control of the crime scene.
Intelligence agencies are proprietary about their intelligence:
they work in compartmentalized units, and they operate on a "need
to know" policy. How likely is it the FBI agents collecting and
reading those Top Secret and SCI (Special Compartmentalized
Information) military intelligence documents had been cleared by
military intelligence to read them?
If the FBI agents did NOT possess the clearances to see them, why
did Rumsfeld, Shelton & Company give them access? But if the FBI
agents DID had the necessary clearances, why did they? What is
going on in this country?
Since the offices hit were Army and Navy offices, we can assume
that the intelligence documents lying around the Pentagon grounds
were Army and Navy military intelligence documents. What might
be so important about those documents? Why might the FBI be so
interested? Perhaps we should have a closer look at the FBI.
As you read what follows, remember this: the FBI was not at the
Pentagon site to investigate. They already "knew" the Pentagon
had been hit by American Airlines Flight 77, supposedly
commandeered by terrorists. (Above, "FBI Looking For Osama's Fingerprints?")
FOREIGN FIFTH COLUMN
OPERATES OPENLY ON US SOIL
Fifth column: "A clandestine subversive organization working
within a given country to further an invading enemy's military
and political aims" (American Heritage Dictionary, 1976).
Unknown to most Americans, a foreign intelligence agency operates
openly on American soil, with FBI collaboration. The purpose of
the agency is to identify American citizens who pose political
threats to the interests of the foreign power. The foreign agency
gathers or invents dirt on the people who pose threats, and
attempts to neutralize them, one way or another.
The name of that foreign intelligence agency or fifth column is
the Anti Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL). The ADL is an
Israeli/Jewish spy organization dedicated to the neutralization
of those who oppose Zionist programs.
Let's take a small step back in time and look at how the ADL
operated on American soil when WW II broke out in Europe.
ADL'S TREASONOUS POLICIES
Walter Winchell was a famous news and gossip columnist whose
heyday extended from the mid 1920s through the 1950s. He was a
descendant of a long line of Jewish rabbis and cantors; the
original family name was "Weinschel," which in Yiddish meant
"sour cherries." A dedicated Zionist and friend of Franklin
Delano Roosevelt and J. Edgar Hoover, Winchell badly wanted the
US to enter World War II. Claiming he was a patriotic American,
Winchell smeared those opposed to intervention as Nazi
collaborators, anti-semites, and racists.
The following excerpt is taken from "Winchell (Gossip, Power, and
The Culture of Celebrity)," by Neal Gabler (Alfred Knopf and
Vintage Books, New York, 1994.) Time Magazine called the book
"The best book of the year," and the New York Daily News called
it "A wonderful cultural history." So we may conclude this book
is consistent with unchallenged "official" history. Here was
Winchell's strategy for securing winning support of Zionist goals.
"To Walter isolationism had now become unconscionable, a form of
treason. He was determined to prove that the isolationists were
not, as they claimed, patriotic Americans who happened to hold a
different point of view from his own; they were Nazi
collaborators, anti-semites, and racists who cared far less about
saving American lives than about ensuring Hitler's victory . . .
"Every week brought new charges from Walter linking the radical
right to Nazi Germany, but Walter's prime source was not, as most
assumed, the FBI; in fact, he was one if ITS [the FBI's] prime
sources, channeling hundreds of documents abut Nazi groups to the
bureau both before and during the war. Rather Walter's most
important source was Arnold Forster [ne Fastenberg], the young
basso-voiced attorney who, at the time he met Walter early in
1941, was New York counsel for the Anti Defamation League (ADL)
of B'nai B'rith.
"When it came to the radical right, Forster had one of the best
intelligence-gathering operations in the country, with spies
everywhere . . ."
. . . including spies in one key US Senator's staff.
"Occasionally Forster himself drafted whole columns for Walter .
. ." (Winchell, pgs. 294-295.)
Notice in particular this sentence in the above passage:
". . . in fact, he [Winchell] was one if ITS [the FBI's] prime
sources, channeling hundreds of documents about Nazi groups to
the bureau both before and during the war." Remember, a "Nazi"
group was any group that did not agree with Jewish/Zionist goals.
So at least by the 1940s, the ADL was using the FBI as its cat's
paw. ADL was targeting loyal Americans who put America first,
and reporting them to the FBI, via Winchell, as enemies of
America and subversives. Simultaneously, Winchell smeared his
targets before the American public, ruining them by accusation.
Later, after WW II had ended, Winchell beat the drums for the
establishment of the state of Israel on Palestinian lands. James
Forrestal, US Secretary of Defense under Harry S Truman, was
adamantly opposed to this. Winchell and his colleague Drew
Pearson started an intense campaign of media vilification against
Forrestal. Eventually Israel was recognized and Forrestal was
ousted. He became "depressed," was admitted to the Bethesda
Naval Hospital and committed "suicide" by jumping out of a
hospital window. With Forrestal out of the way, a formidable
opponent to the Zionism was eliminated for once and for all.
Even today, heavy disinformation surrounds the circumstances of
Forrestal's death. Search the Net, and you will find claims that
Forrestal did not commit suicide, but was murdered because
Forrestal had been abducted by space aliens and "they" [?] feared
he would write his memoirs. The purpose of this silliness? To
suggest that anyone who suspects Forrestal was murdered is crazy.
As already mentioned, Winchell was an intimate of J. Edgar
Hoover. The friendship stretched over decades. One wonders
whether the basis of this alleged friendship was blackmail
material supplied to Winchell by the ADL. Blackmail is a very
useful tool in the manipulation of public figures.
With its vast and powerful spy network, it is not unreasonable to
assume the ADL had blackmail material on cross-dresser Hoover.
Winchell introduced Hoover to the Stork Club and the night
clubbing life in New York. One wonders if Winchell encouraged
Hoover to participate in other activities that would compromise
him.
Winchell had attempted to get a commission in Naval Intelligence,
but his application was rejected. Hoover put pressure on Naval
Intelligence, and Winchell was accepted as a lieutenant
("Winchell," pgs. 197, 220).
ISRAELI "IN-YOUR-FACE" COVERT ACTION
Now let's leave the 1940s and move up to present time. These
excerpts have been taken from Counterpunch's February 25, 2002 edition.
"In 1993, the District of Attorney of San Francisco released 700
pages of documents implicating the Anti-Defamation League, an
organization that claims to be a defender of civil rights, in a
vast spying operation directed against American citizens who were
opposed to Israel's policies in the Occupied West Bank and Gaza
and to the apartheid policies of the government of South Africa
and passing on information to both governments.
"Under great political pressure, Smith [District Attorney of San
Francisco?] later dropped the charges . . ." A man by the name of
Roy Bullock was one of the ADL's operatives.
"Ten days before he was assassinated in South Africa, Chris Hani,
the man who would have succeeded Nelson Mandela as the country's
president, was trailed by Bullock on a trip through California
who reported on it to the South African government." After Los
Angeles Arab American leader Alex Odeh was murdered, Bullock was
discovered to have a key, and a floor plan, of the murdered man's
office. This is evidence that ADL operatives may have helped
plan and execute political assassinations in the US and abroad.
But don't hold your breath for the FBI to investigate or charge
Bullock, or any other ADLer, in connection to these murders.
("The ADL Spying Case Is Over, But The Struggle Continues,"
Counterpunch, February 25, 2002.)
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San Francisco Bay area activists who were spied upon sued the ADL
for violation of their privacy rights as provided under
California law; the suit was settled out of court in February, 2002.
ADL AND FBI ARE PARTNERS,
FBI DIRECTOR SAYS
Certainly the FBI did not join the suit against the ADL as a
friend of the US public, nor did the federal government file its
own suit against the ADL for violating the civil rights of
Americans. In fact, while litigation was in progress in 1997,
the FBI openly cooperated with the ADL:
* The FBI displayed ADL posters in FBI offices throughout the country,
* The FBI hosted a Holocaust Memorial Ceremony at FBI
headquarters at which ADL chairman Abraham H. Foxman spoke. (http://www.adl.org/annual_report/1997/education.html
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* On June 30, 2000, FBI Director Louis Freeh and the
directors of the United States Holocaust Museum and the
Anti-Defamation League announced a new training program for FBI
agents. According to the FBI press release, Freeh said the new
course "focuses on law enforcement's historical role in the
1930's and 40's in abetting the Holocaust. It is designed to
ensure that FBI investigators, early in their training,
understand fully the consequences when law enforcement fails to
protect citizens, their civil rights, their dignities, and their
moral, ethical and human values." (Release no longer available
at FBI website.)
Quite clearly the purpose of the FBI course was NOT as stated,
for the FBI "failed to protect citizens, their civil rights,
their dignities, and their moral, ethical and human values" when
it tortured and murdered the Branch Davidians in Waco and then
destroyed the evidence at the crime scene. And of course, the
ADL had no objection to the FBI conduct at Waco, either. (See http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum)
On May 7, 2002, Robert S. Mueller III, Director of the FBI and a
Marine on "retired" status, addressed the ADL's 24th National
Leadership Conference. Mueller said:
"A few months ago, Abe [Abraham H. Foxman] and Jess [Jess N.
Hordes, ADL Washington representative] came by my office for a
visit. I appreciated their taking the time to meet with me." So
here we have the head of the FBI telling two professional Jews --
who openly work to undermine American Constitutional liberties
and who actively work as foreign agents on US soil -- that the
FBI appreciates the time THEY took to pay a visit to the director
of the FBI.
"I have long admired and respected the work of ADL, and I
appreciate your longstanding support of the FBI. I know that
under my predecessor, Louis Freeh, this partnership reached new
heights. As I told Abe and Jess, I am absolutely committed to
building on that relationship.
"We in the FBI tremendously value your perspectives and your
partnership . . ." (http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/speeches/speech050702.htm
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Amazing to have he FBI-ADL relationship stated so boldly. The
FBI admits to a PARTNERSHIP, but it does not sound like a
partnership. It sounds as though ADL is firmly in the driver's
seat. As Mueller said of the two ADL executives: "I appreciated
their taking the time to meet with me." Mueller does not sound
like a partner, he sounds like a subaltern.
DEFENSE INVESTIGATIVE SERVICE
WARNS OF ISRAELI/JEWISH SPIES
In January, 1996, the Defense Investigative Service wrote a
confidential memo to many military contractors warning them that
the Israeli government was "aggressively" trying to steal US
military and intelligence secrets, using "strong ethnic ties" to
recruit spies (that is, using Jewish US citizens.)
The Washington Post stated:
"The confidential memo on Israel began by noting that the
country, a major recipient of US military and economic aid, 'is a
political and military ally.' But it continued, 'the nature of
espionage relations between the two governments is competitive.'
"It said Israel 'aggressively collects [U.S.] military and
industrial technology,' including spy satellite data, missile
defense information, and data on military aircraft, tanks,
missile boats, and radars.
"Drawing on the example of the Pollard case and of other Israeli
espionage operations in the United States, the memo said that the
country's recruitment techniques include 'ethnic targeting,
financial aggrandizement, and identification and exploitation of
individual frailties' of US citizens.
"'Placing Israeli nationals in key industries . . . is a
technique utilized with great success,' the memo said." (The
Washington Post, January 30, 1996, p. A1,
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ADL USES THE OLD "ANTI-SEMITISM" CANARD
American Jews secured a copy of the memo in quick order. (No
espionage here, of course!)
The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of B'nai B'rith publicly called
upon the Pentagon to -- are you ready for this? -- conduct an
"internal investigation" -- not on the possibly treasonous
American Jews, but on the intelligence officers who wrote the memo!
"'This is a distressing charge which impugns American Jews and
borders on anti-semitism,' said ADL Director Abraham H. Foxman in
a letter to Defense Secretary William J. Perry.
"The government memo, and the ADL's angry reaction to it,
highlight a particularly delicate issue for the Defense
Department. Many military counterintelligence officials remain
scarred by the 1985 revelation that Navy intelligence analyst
Jonathan Jay Pollard stole what the memo refers to as 'vast
quantities of classified information' on Israel's behalf over a
17-month period . . .
"In first publicizing the memo, which was first obtained by the
Jewish weekly Moment Magazine, ADL director Foxman complained not
only about its reference to Israeli recruitment techniques but
also its harsh tone . . ."
DEFENSE INVESTIGATIVE SERVICE
PATRIOTS WERE RIGHT
In fact American Jews are regularly called upon to take part in
Israeli intelligence operations within the US, and regularly do
exactly that. There is even a Hebrew word that denotes such
people: "sayanim." Mossad whistleblower Victor Ostrovsky has
described them as "a unique and important part of the Mossad's operation."
"There are thousands of sayanim around the world. In London
alone, there are about 2,000 who are active, and another 5,000 on
the list. They fulfill many different roles. A car sayan, for
example, running a rental agency, could help the Mossad rent a
car without having to complete the usual documentation . . .
"Suppose during an operation a katsa [Mossad case officer]
suddenly had to come up with an electronics store as a cover. A
call to a sayan in that business could bring 50 television sets,
200 VCRs -- whatever was needed -- from his warehouse to your
building, and in next to no time, you'd have a store with $3 or
$4 million worth of stock in it . . . The system allows the
Mossad to work with a skeleton staff. That's why, for example, a
KGB station would employ 100 people, while a comparable Mossad
station would need only six or seven." (By Way Of Deception,
Victor Ostrovsky & Claire Hoy, St. Martin's Paperbacks, New York,
1990, pgs. 87, 88.)
In The Other Side of Deception, Victor Ostrovsky writes about
another Israeli intelligence unit, the Lishka Le Kishry Mada,
which he describes as "the section for scientific relations, a
special unit directly under the prime minister's office . . ."
The Lishka Le Kishry Mada ("LAKAM") was the agency that recruited
Jonathan Pollard. Sayan within the Pentagon gave the LAKAM case
manager sources, and Pollard was directed to bring out the hard
copy. (The Other Side of Deception, Victor Ostrovsky, Harper
Paperbacks, New York, 1995; pgs. 33, 34.)
So in the Pollard case, American Jews within the Pentagon had
their loyalties tested. They chose Israel.
RECRUITING FIFTH COLUMNISTS
On May 22, 2002, the Christian Science Monitor published an
article describing how Israel persuades Palestinians to betray
Palestine and work as Israeli Fifth Columnists. The methods used
by Israeli agents to entrap Palestinians include sexual seduction
and blackmail. Palestinians with criminal records are offered
freedom in exchange for information. Other Palestinians have
been shown photographs of female relatives undressing in fashion
store changing rooms, and told the images would be circulated
unless they agreed to collaborate.
As Palestinian collaborators are drawn more deeply into the
system they may be asked to infiltrate the highest levels of
militant and political groups or set up targets for arrest and
assassination. Israel's use of targeted assassination typically
involves collaborators arranging the hit. ("How Israel builds
its fifth column," Christian Science Monitor, May 22, 2002. http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0522/p01s04-wome.html
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It would be naive to expect that Israeli agents do not use
similar techniques on Americans, whether military personnel or
civilians. Some of you might remember the FBI's ABSCAM's sting
operation, in which undercover FBI agents lured Congressmen into
taking bribes. The obvious effect of ABSCAM was to show the
Senate and the House that the FBI (read: Israel) could "get" any
of them at any time, by digging up dirt, provoking it, or
inventing it.
http://www.awesome80s.com/Awesome80s/News/1980/February/3 Abscam_Revealed.
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Now that we understand how things work, let's get back to the
ADL's 1996 complaint about the Defense Investigative Service.
How was the complaint handled?
DEFENSE INVESTIGATIVE SERVICE TAKES A DIVE
"Assistant Secretary of Defense Emmett Paige Jr., who has
responsibility for military intelligence matters, replied in a
letter to Foxman yesterday that 'the content' of this document
does not reflect the official position of the Department of Defense.
"He described the author as a 'low-ranking individual at a field
activity of the Defense Investigative Service.'
"'While we object to the document in general, singling out
ethnicity as a matter of counterintelligence vulnerability is
particularly repugnant to the Department,' Paige wrote. 'We have
instructed appropriate personnel that similar documents will not
be produced in the future.'" ("Defense Memo Warned of Israeli
Spying," Washington Post, January 30, 1996.
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So . . . if military intelligence officers think that American
Jews may form a Fifth Column in the US and work to steal our
secrets for Israel, they should keep their mouths shut. In other
words, intelligence officers must toe the politically correct
line and effectively cooperate in treason -- or loose their
jobs.
We are getting a clearer picture here: The Pentagon is comprised
of at least two camps: Patriotic military people who are loyal to
this country, and Jews and Jewish sympathizers who work for the
Nation of Zion. Note: There is no shortage of Gentiles,
especially "Christian" Zionists, who would not gladly betray
America for Israel.
http://www.public-action.com/911/chrzion.html
It is beyond the scope of this article, but readers should
research the Net themselves and confirm that, particularly since
9-11, the FBI has been seeking to expand and consolidate its hold
over "law-enforcement" agencies world-wide. The FBI, draped in
an American flag, is another arm of Israel -- an
intelligence/enforcement arm.
ARMY FREE SPEECH REGARDING ISRAEL
On September 10, 2001, just one day before 9-11, The Washington
Times
ran a front-page story "US troops would enforce peace under Army
study." The Times quoted officers in the Army's School of
Advanced Military Studies (SAMS). Commenting on the Mossad,
Israel's intelligence/dirty trick service, the SAMS officers said:
"Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US
forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act."
On April 4, 2002, I wrote to the Army's School of Advanced
Military Studies, asking, among other things, if the Washington
Times story was true. The next day I received a reply from SAMS.
The SAMS public relations officer said that The Times' article
was misleading because it failed to mention "the Army study" was
an academic exercise.
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But the SAMS's "academic exercise" explanation tell us something
even more significant about the Army: That within SAM's ranks,
and within its critically important officer training ranks, the
propensities of the Nation of Israel can be openly discussed,
without fear of the "anti-semitism" smear.
Politics be damned. Facts are facts, and studies are studies.
Revolutionary! It seems that there is still freedom of thought,
freedom of inquiry, and freedom of speech within U.S. Army
officer ranks. It says that certain elements within the Army
were not under Israeli's heel -- or at least they were not prior
to 9/11. The Israelis surely must have known about that Army
situation. That situation could be extremely dangerous to Israel.
One way to handle the danger would be to send a shot across the
bows of the Army, a shot which might communicate: "Shut up." It
would be even better to liquidate some of the particularly
troublesome Army personnel, too.
ARMY SUFFERS HEAVIEST LOSSES ON 9-11
This from the New York Times, reporting the respective losses of
each of the services on 9-11:
"The Army suffered the heaviest losses, including Lt. Gen.
Timothy J. Maude, a three-star general who headed the Army's
personnel division, according to officials.
"Altogether, 21 Army soldiers and officers and 53 civilians who
worked in the Department of the Army were killed, many of them
from the service's budget and personnel offices.
"The Navy reported that 33 sailors and officers, along with nine
civilians, remained missing. They worked in a variety of offices,
including the Navy's operation center, which was damaged in the
attack. Ten other missing people were from other defense
agencies, including seven from the Defense Intelligence Agency."
("Pentagon toll at 190," New York Times, September 14, 2001,
http://www.ocregister.com/breakingnews/attack/09142001/14nypentacci.shtml
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No active duty Air Force, Marine, or Special Operations personnel
were killed on 9-11.
ARMY REMAINS SUSPICIOUS OF ISRAELIS
On April 24, 2002, the pro-Zionist WorldNetDaily, which claims to
be an alternate source of news on the Internet,
;-)
reported that a US Army Reserve counterintelligence officer with
dual citizenship in the United States and Israel had his security
clearance revoked. Naturally the officer claimed bias on the
part of the Army, and complained about the Army's treatment of
him to WorldNetDaily.
You can see the report here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27355
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-wnd-04-24-2002
Note that according to the report, the Israeli had his security
clearance pulled by the Army's personnel command, which was
obviously concerned with the internal security of the Army. Good
for them!
Now look again at the accounting of the Army's 9-11 Pentagon
casualties. The Army's personnel division was heavily hit. This
from the above-cited New York Times article:
"The Army suffered the heaviest losses, including Lt. Gen.
Timothy J. Maude, a three-star general who headed the Army's
personnel division, according to officials.
"Altogether, 21 Army soldiers and officers and 53 civilians who
worked in the Department of the Army were killed, many of them
from the service's budget and personnel offices."
Those Army personnel officers may have had a list of names of
people those security clearances they wanted to yank. They may
have had other information that Israel wanted squashed.
NAVY AND
DEFENSE INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES DEATHS
Seven members of the Defense Intelligence Agency, the agency that
had warned about the recruitment of American Jews by the Israeli
spy networks, also died.
According to the flagship Zionist publication the Washington
Post, the entire chain of command of the super secret "Chief of
Naval Operations Intelligence Plot" were killed on September 11.
("The Last Watch," January 20, 2002, front page of Style section,
quoted above.)
Naval Intelligence was the base from which Jonathan Pollard
operated. Remember, it was Naval Intelligence that caught
Pollard and Naval Intelligence that insisted the FBI arrest him.
How many patriotic Naval Intelligence types had an attitude
adjustment on September 11, 2001?
NO AIR FORCE OR MARINE DEATHS
As mentioned above, no active duty Air Force people died as a
result of the 9-11 attack on the Pentagon. Air Force types, of
course, make up the staff of the North American Aerospace Defense
Command (NORAD). Almost certainly it was NORAD that sent the
remote controlled planes plowing into their targets on 9-11. See:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/noradsend.html
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/noradsend2.html
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/bumble.html
No active duty Marines were killed on 9-11, either.
ANOTHER MARINE MIRACLE
We have already seen one Marine miracle -- the Marine
photographer who was at the Pentagon at approximately 9:30 a.m.
on September 11 and took shots of an incident that could not have
occurred until 9:45 -- 9:55a.m.
http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/images/sres.pl?Lbox_cap=356273&dir=Photo&ttl=010911-M 4122I-031&vn=&ref=defenselink
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-0930firetruck
Another Marine miracle was described in an article posted on the
Usenet group soc.veterans on September 16, 2001.
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"Subject: America mourns victims of terrorism
"Submitted by: Headquarters MarineCorps
Story by Lance Cpl. John r. Lawson, III
" . . . On Thursday, Marines recovered a Marine Corps flag from
the impact area that -- strangely -- went untouched. Seeing a
Marine proudly carry the red and gold flag away from the rubble
moved Williams.
"'That kind of touches you,' he said.
"Then he added, 'Once a Marine, always a Marine.'"
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-vnis-marineflag
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The soc.veterans posting does not explain what a MARINE flag was
doing in Army/Navy offices. And it is indeed nothing short of a
miracle that any flag, be it Marine or otherwise, would survive
the inferno and building collapse "untouched," when 125 souls
perished in the same place.
The posting implies that the flag was held high on a staff as it
was carried from the ruins, for notice the flag was carried
"proudly." That term would scarcely be used if the flag was folded.
Flags are important symbols -- they are used to indicate
authority and supremacy. The miraculous discovery of an
unscathed Marine flag in the ruins of Army and Navy operations
offices could well be a show of victory over Army/Navy elements
liquidated on 9-11.
Coincidentally, the director of the FBI, Robert S. Mueller III,
the man who openly boasts that his organization is a "partner" of
an Israeli intelligence arm (the ADL), is a Marine. ("Once a
Marine, always a Marine.")
Mueller would have received the Army and Navy intelligence
documents scattered on the Pentagon grounds and gathered up by
the civilian rescuers. For all we know, the so-called FBI agents
to whom the documents were given were working directly for the
Mossad, or were Israeli commandos working under cover. Recall
the FBI/ADL "partnership" mentioned by the Marine Director of the FBI.
MARINES WORK FOR FBI ON 9-11
We are asked to believe the FBI is the foremost criminal
investigatory agency in the world; that they have highly trained
employees who are experts in gathering evidence that will stand
up in any court. We are also asked to believe that the FBI was
at the Pentagon on 9-11 to "investigate."
But at the same time we are asked to believe the FBI arrived at
the scene without their own photographers, and hired two
photographers on the spot to take court-room quality photos.
Both photographers just happened to arrive at the scene with
cameras, and both happened to be Marines.
One of these was Cpl.Jason Ingersoll, the gentleman who took a
photo of the 9:40 a.m. event at 9:30 a.m. http://www.Public Action.com/911/rescue/obq-0930firetruck
According to an article in Recordnet.com, at the time impact
occurred, Ingersoll was in his Marine Corps' headquarters office,
across the street from the Pentagon. When he heard the impact,
he grabbed his camera and went on over.
"One of the first photographers on the scene, he was drafted by
the FBI to become a member of it evidence-response team. All
through the day, Ingersoll took photos that some day could be
used as evidence in court. He also had to maintain detailed
crime-scene records in case he is asked to testify." Ingersoll
put in 12-hour shifts for the FBI over the next few days,
providing them with photographic "support."
Recordnet.com also stated:
"Ingersoll . . . helped place bodies in bags to be handed over to
the Army recovery team." ("Lode Marine's heroic photo duty
honored," Recordnet.com, January 20, 2002,
http://www.recordnet.com/daily/columnists/garland/1LLnews012002.html
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/marinephoto-ingersoll )
So here is a Marine on the scene -- a mere coincidence to the
event -- and the FBI drafts him into the crucial work of
1. Taking evidentiary photographs that may have to be tested
in court
2. Removing the bodies of the victims -- apparently without
training in the proper handling of bodies at a crime scene.
A second Marine photographer just happened to show up with his
camera and just happened to get hired on the spot by the FBI.
Sgt. Marshall Paull is the photographer for the Commandant of the
Marine Corps., Gen. James L. Jones. As mentioned already, the
terrorists had been considerate enough to avoid hitting the
offices of the Joint Chiefs; after the event, Paull was safe,
grabbed his camera, and headed for the impact site.
"During his time at Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, Ariz., Sgt.
Paull had the unfortunate duty of photographing a few aviation
accidents. When he saw FBI agents arrive at the Pentagon, he
told them of his experience and said he would be willing to help.
"They took him up on his offer, and soon put him in a helicopter
to take overhead pictures of the damage to the Pentagon."
Several Public Action supporters have searched the Net, but found
no photos showing FBI helicopters over Pentagon airspace on 9-11.
However, remember the helicopter, variously described as a
military helicopter conducting an "aerial survey" of the Pentagon
crash site, and as an "Army Red Cross helicopter" (see "Air Space
Not Too Restricted", above). Most likely, this was the
helicopter into which FBI agents put Sgt. Paull. The FBI, not
the military, was obviously controlling the air space, military
personnel, and military materiel on 9-11.
Recall that "no military intelligence officials have been allowed
into the area," nor were they allowed to gather up military
intelligence documents on 9-11; even military secret documents
became FBI property. See "FBI Grabs Military Intelligence Documents").
Thus it was the "investigators" (the FBI), not the "war fighters"
(the military), who captured the Pentagon war zone during the
first days of the War For Jewish Supremacy.
"On the Wednesday and Friday following the attack, Sgt. Paull
assisted FBI agents by actually entering the devastated segment
of the Pentagon to search for bodies. It was Sgt. Paull's tasks
to take photographs." ("Marine photographer aids FBI in rescue
efforts," Marinelink, September 21, 2001,
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:cqtITqJMDCcC:www.tecom.usmc.mil /vim/www/4600_Articles_00.htm+%22marshall+Paull%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/marinephotopaull2)
Doubly blessed with serendipitous photographers was the FBI that
day. But why, oh why, did the FBI show up at the "crime scene"
of the century without FBI crime scene photographers?
And why do we have two such disparate descriptions of Ingersoll's
presence that day?
1. He happened to be at the site at 9:30 a.m. photographing
the Pentagon, and,
2. He heard the 9:40 a.m. event from his office and came
running over with his camera.
MARINES AND ISRAEL ARE BUGS IN A RUG
Few deny the Israelis are committing war crimes and genocide
against Palestinians. The massacres at the Jenin refugee camp
have been well documented in the press throughout the world. You
can study a sampling of the world press accounts and see photos
of the Jenin massacre here:
http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine52.html
cached at:http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-jenin
What is the US Marine response to Jenin massacre? The Marines
are studying the event to see "what they could learn from that
urban fight."
"Likewise, just weeks after the vicious fight in the Jenin
refugee camp that ended April 15 with 75 Israelis and
Palestinians dead and nearly 150 buildings in rubble, a senior
Israeli Defense Force intelligence officer visited the United
States to watch U.S. Marines experiment with new urban-warfare tactics."
Urban warfare? The Palestinians did not provide an opportunity
for "urban warfare" practice. What happened at Jenin was urban
slaughter.
So instead of condemning the barbarism, the Marine Corps has
announced to the world that the US Marines want to take lessons.
http://www.marinetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-942592.php
cached at:
http://www.public-action.com/911/rescue/obq-marinetimes
Who will be the targets of the Marines in US urban warfare? That
answer is simple. The targets will be American citizens --
American men, women and children, just as the Israeli targets in
Jenin were Palestinian men, women, and children.
Let's all sing together: "Oh, the land of the free, and the home
of the BRAVE . . ."
A WORD ABOUT
THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND
Now it is time to take a closer look at the Special Operations
Command. It is indeed a coincidence that Americans of Jewish
descent were prominently involved in the establishment of the
Special Operations Command. Harold Brown, a Jew, was Secretary
of Defense when the attempted rescue of 53 American hostages in
Iran turned into a disaster in April, 1980.
http://www.thesolomonproject.org/book/byName.php
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-haroldbrown
The failed mission under Harold Brown was used to promote the
establishment of a separate Special Operations Command.
According to official history, on May 15, 1986, Sen. William S.
Cohen, following up on the suggestions of such as Gen. Edward C.
"Shy" Meyer and Pentagon functionary Noel Koch, introduced
legislation to establish a separate Special Operations Command.
http://www.specialoperations.com/History/SOCOM_History/Default.htm
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-special-ops-founded
SPECIAL OPS LAUDS BARAK ASSASSINATIONS
Please visit Special Operations.com and look at this page:
http://www.specialoperations.com/Focus/Legends
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-special-ops-legends1
The introductory blurb tells us: "Following is a list of
international special operations personnel, officer and enlisted,
who have made a significant, lasting contribution to the
development, history, or mythology of special operations warfare."
Note: The people listed are not lauded for defending the US
Constitution and its Bill of Rights, but for developing hit
squads. Among those listed as a "legend" is Israeli Ehud Barak:
Click on Barak's name and you will reach this page:
http://www.specialoperations.com/Focus/Legends/Barak.htm
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-special-ops-legends2
Barak is described this way: "New PM of Israel, former commander
of Sayeret Matkal (led hostage rescue of Sabena airliner in 1972
and the 1973 raid to assassinate PLO leaders in Beirut.)"
A "sayeret" is a Hebrew word meaning commando unit or hit squad.
You can read more about sayerets operating in Israel today at:
http://www.intelbriefing.com/afi/afi010619.htm
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-sayeret
So, there, in Special Ops own words: It lauds Barak for
assassinating Palestinian leaders in Lebanon. What relevance
does the murder of Palestinians in Lebanon have to the defense of
the US? None whatsoever.
Need we ask how many Palestinians thugs, assassins, and commandos
are praised by Special Ops? We see where Special Ops' loyalties
lie. The Special Operations Command function as Israeli
partisans, wrapped in the American flag.
Visit this page on Israeli Special Operations: http://www.geocities.com/snipersperch/Israel01.index.html
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-special-ops-israel
and you will learn that Israel had US Navy SEALs and other
Special Operations units train their assassins.
SPECIAL OPS, AT ISRAEL'S SERVICE, CIRCA 1993
The Special Operations Command was activated on April 16, 1987.
Six years later, using civilian facades provided by the ATF and
FBI, Special Ops staged its Waco operation. Study the Waco
Holocaust Electronic Museum's War Gallery:
http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/war/war.html
The deaths of David Koresh and his followers served Israeli
interests. David Koresh was born Vernon Wayne Howell, and legally
changed his name, taking the tribal name of the prophet Mohammed:
"Quraysh." Another transliteration of that name is "Koresh."
David Quraysh, or David Koresh, if you prefer, was teaching that
the existence of the state of Israel was not essential to the
fulfillment of Biblical prophecies, and that a Savior would come
from Persia (Iran). David Koresh was teaching essentially
Islamic beliefs; he threatened Israeli control of the
fundamentalist "Christian" (Zionist) movement in the US. Clearly
he had to go.
http://www.public action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/burial/page/b_kce.html
The Waco affair was disguised as a law-enforcement action gone
wrong, but it was a Special Operations junket from start to
finish. Who was the commander of the Special Operations Command
in April 1993? It was Gen. Wayne Allan Downing. More on Downing
("Waco Wayne") below.
Coincidentally, it was the black helicopters of the 160th
Airborne Division Special Operations Regiment (SOAR), featured in
"Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man Behind)" that kicked off the
February 28, 1993 raid by strafing the women's and children's
quarters with machine gun fire, killing and wounding an unknown
number of Davidian moms and kids. Those who were not killed
outright on the first day of the raid died later of their wounds.
Those remaining alive and loyal to David Koresh were
assassinated on or just before April 19, along with Koresh himself.
The rescue recorded by Tee Vee cameras on April 19, 1993, was
staged. Plausible explanations for the victims' deaths were
provided, including a fire and a structural collapse, just as a
fire and structural collapse were plausible explanations of the
Pentagon deaths, eight years later.
COOKING UP PLAUSIBLE CAUSES OF DEATH
After the April 19 Waco fire went out, Special
Operations-cum-FBI-cum Israel's gofers sent down two world
renowned Smithsonian Institution forensic scientists to help cook
up the fraudulent autopsy reports: Drs. Douglas Owsley and
Douglas Ubelaker, from the Division of Physical Anthropology at
the Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution.
http://www.public action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_hf.html
They put their names on autopsy reports that contained lots of
obvious lies about how victims were killed in the fire or crushed
in a structural collapse, etc.
LIES AND DUMB LIES
One of the dumbest lies was this: The moms and kids died as a
result of crushing injuries suffered when a concrete room
collapsed. The problem? Widely published photos in newsmagazines
and newspapers, taken from the ground and the air, show that the
concrete room did not collapse.
http://www.public action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_l.html
And both Owsley and Ubelaker had their names right there, right
on the fraudulent reports citing "structural collapse" as the
cause of death. You can read about Ubelaker and Owsley's high
jinks by going to the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum and
putting "Ubelaker" and "Owsley" in the search engine.
http://www.Public-Action.com/AT-pub129c0query.html
Or meander through the Museum using this URL as a starting point:
http://www.public action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_analys.html
"BONE GUYS" PAW PENTAGON CADAVERS
Now here's the creepy part. The FBI, given control of the
Pentagon 9-11 war zone, called in the same people -- Owsley and
Ubelaker -- to work on the Pentagon cadavers. Read "Skeleton
Keys," in the May 31, 2002 Washington Post's Style section.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36421 2002May30.html
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-wp-boneguys-05-31 2002
And read this related article: "Pentagon Cadavers Meet 'The Bone Guys'"
http://www.Public-action.com/boneguys.html
Why were Owsley and Ubelaker -- whom the Post dubbed "bone guys"
in its May 31 article -- called in on the Pentagon job at all?
The Washington Post article does not explain that. Supposedly, a
Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, a fire broke out, the building
collapsed, and the victims died on impact or in the fire, or in
the structural collapse. On September 11, Donald Rumsfeld
declared all the missing persons to be dead, without having seen
one body. The identity of each victim was known. Cause of
death, date of death, circumstances of death -- all were
established. The FBI has a DNA lab. What mysteries required the
services of the Smithsonian "bone guys"?
MADE-TO-ORDER AUTOPSY REPORTS
Ah! When you check out the history of Owsley and Ubelaker, the
lights come on! The bone guys use the magic of their prestige to
turn a wish into a fact. Their names, along with the prestige of
the Smithsonian Institution, will ensure no member of the medical
examiner or forensic community will ever challenge those reports.
[Footnote 1]
Want the headless corpse of David Koresh's 8-year old son Cyrus
to have died of suffocation? Or maybe a head injury? Or
whatever? Dr. Owsley will lend his name that effort. See pages
2, 3 of Cyrus Koresh's autopsy report:
http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/67-2/67 2_aut.html
Want the headless, armless, legless corpse of Davidian John
McBean to have died of asphyxiation? Dr. Douglas Ubelaker will
help you whistle that one through -- without ever raising a
question about how poor Mr. McBean managed to lose his head, both
arms, and both legs during the process of his asphyxiation.
http://www.public action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/32/32_pix.html
and pages 1, 6 of Mr. McBean's autopsy report:
http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/32/32_aut.html
Want a political assassination in Toledo to look like a fire
victim at the Pentagon? You got it. Want an autopsy report that
no other medical examiner in the world would question? You got
it. Just ask the Smithsonian "bone guys" to sign off on whatever
autopsy report you wish to write. Any fantastic cover-up excuse
for a death becomes scientific fact.
When important people are assassinated and circumstances of their
deaths must be covered up, only the best people are used. In
light of all the evidence we have looked at so far, doesn't the
presence of Drs. Ubelaker and Owsley in the Pentagon 9-11 team
make you just a little uncomfortable?
PENTAGON VICTIMS ON A HIT LIST?
Put it all together: It is possible that some of the 125 victims
who died on 9-11 at the Pentagon had been specially selected for
the death list, and had been killed by other means; perhaps the
fire/building collapse/delayed rescue scenario was set up as a
diversion and to destroy evidence. That's how they did it in
Waco. And we see the same crowd present, and in control, at the
Pentagon, along with a spectacular fireball explosion, an
uncontrollable fire, structural collapse, and a sham rescue.
It's looking like deja vu all over again.
Now we must turn our attention to administrative matters.
MEET WACO WAYNE
As mentioned above, at the time of the February 28, 1993 raid on
the Mt. Carmel Center, the commander of the Special Operations
Command was Gen. Wayne Allan Downing ("Waco Wayne"). Try to find
an official US military biography of Downing on the net --
detailed biographies such as these of Gens. Shelton, Myers,
Eberhart, etc., already cited. This writer tried, but could not
do so, even though I could find bios on other "retired" or even
deceased members of the military. Specific details of Downing's
background -- exactly where he was when --have been smudged out.
What's to hide? Surely he and the US military is proud of what
he did to the moms and kids at Waco.
Waco Wayne is now the Zionists' terrorism tsar. He is the
special terrorism "consultant" who reports to National security
Advisor Condoleezza Rice and Homeland Security Director Tom
Ridge.
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/downing.html
Here is a recent photo of Mr. Helter-Skelter himself, disguised
as a human in a business suit.
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-wacowayne.jpg
SHELTON SUCCEEDS WACO WAYNE
Waco Wayne's handling of bogus Davidian rescue attempt was so ham
fisted that he was eventually forced to retire. (See Appendix for
details.) Gen. Henry Hugh Shelton succeeded Downing as Commander
of the Special Operations Command in 1996.
http://www.public action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/war/doc/w_doc11.html
In 1997, William S. Cohen, then Secretary of Defense, selected
Shelton as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. (Recall that
Cohen introduced the Special Ops legislation in the Senate.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp srv/inatl/longterm/iraq/keyplayers/shelton071697.htm
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-shelton-cjcs)
And to bring matters full circle: Here was Shelton on September
11, 2001, silently betraying his command, silently assisting in
the murders of 125 Americans.
"And just as we may not rescue them from a fire, so may we not
rescue them from a collapse [of debris] or from water or from
anything that may destroy them."
PART IV
THE BIG PICTURE
The Purpose Of 9-11
9-11 Chabad Lubavitch Bash
Theory And Practice Of Talmudic Law
Why FBI Took Charge Of War ZoneLadies and Gentlemen of The US Military
THE PURPOSE OF 9-11
The 9-11 terror served Israeli purposes, and continues to serve
them. Allow me to explain how.
George Bush claims that the 9-11 terror was perpetrated by
MUSLIMS who were jealous of our freedom. But do politicians
always tell the truth? For several decades, Congress and various
presidents, including both Bush I and Bush II, have been laying
the groundwork to turn America into a theocracy controlled by
Jewish rabbis. Bush the Elder's administration passed the
groundwork legislation. You can read the full story, "Merry
Christmas, and OFF WITH YOUR HEAD," at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/christmas.html
In brief: In the new Jewish-designed American theocracy,
Gentiles will be forced to join a synthetic religion, designed by
rabbis for a servant class. Gentiles who insist on maintaining
their own religious practices will be put to death (beheaded) for
idolatry. Christian religious holidays such as Christmas, Ash
Wednesday, Good Friday, Easter Sunday, will be abolished. There
will be two sets of laws, and two court systems, for America: one
for Jews, and one for Gentiles. Gentile education in
mathematics, science, history, English, social studies,
computers, technical subjects, will be severely limited.
A powerful, monied Jewish sect is at the vanguard of this
movement for a world-wide Jewish theocracy. The name of the sect
is Chabad Lubavitch. And no, Chabad Lubavitch is not an
aberration within Judaism; it relies upon the teachings of the
Talmud and other classical works of Judaism.
You may often hear the Lubavitchers described as
"ultra-Orthodox," meaning they are right in line with the
fundamental doctrines of Judaism.
President Bush's press secretary, Ari Fleicsher, is a
Lubvaticher. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, and
Sen. Joseph Lieberman, the former candidate for the US Vice
Presidency, have all publicly declared their support for Chabad Lubavitch.
As already mentioned, it was the North American Aerospace Defense
Command, NORAD, that almost certainly sent the remotely
controlled jets to crash into their targets on 9-11. Sen. Carl
Levin is chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. And it
was Sen. Carl Levin's committee that listened to the testimony of
Vice-Chairman of the JCS, Gen. Richard Myers, and NORAD
Commander Ralph Eberhart after 9-11, and allowed them to bob and
weave, and lie, lie, lie.
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/noradsend2.html
Can you imagine trying to pull off 9-11 without having Levin in
your pocket?
Oh, yes, I should have mentioned -- Levin is a supporter of
Chabad Lubavitch. Of course Levin's Senate hearings were a set
up. Levin knows who pulled off 9-11. Levin knows whose
interests 9-11 serves.
And it is significant that NORAD's second-in command on 9-11,
Canadian Lt. Gen. Ken Pennie, contradicted the testimony Myers
and Eberhart gave to Levin.
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/levin.html
Did you know that the Undersecretary and Comptroller of the
Department of Defense, Dov Zakheim, is an ordained Orthodox
Jewish rabbi, and that he, too, openly supports Chabad Lubavitch?
9-11 CHABAD LUBAVITCH BASH
In fact, on October 11, 2001, 500 emissaries of Chabad Lubavitch
from all over the world gathered opposite the Pentagon 9-11 crash
site and held a birthday kickoff celebration of their late guru,
Rabbi Menachem Mandel Schneerson. The birthday celebration
kickoff was combined with a "memorial service" for those who died
at the Pentagon on 9-11. The rabbis acting as masters of
ceremony for the event sang a Jewish religious song, "Oseh
Shalom," along with -- of course -- "God Bless America." You
expected they would leave that out?
If you search google.com on the terms "Oseh Shalom" and "lyrics,"
you will discover a number of translations similar to this one:
"May he who makes peace in high places, make peace for us and for
all Israel, and let us say, amen."
Officially, the 9-11 terrorism had nothing to do with Israel.
Nothing at all. Factually, however, the dream of Jewish world
domination had everything in common with events since the 9-11
catastrophe. By this war, the Jewish supremacy movement hopes
the US will annihilate Islam. Islam is the most vigorous
religious rival to Judaism.
How does the "peace for Israel" sung about in "Oseh Shalom"
relate to 9 11? Think back to the massive slaughter of
Palestinians (and other Muslims) Israel has been able to effect
since 9 11. There is no sweeter peace to be found than at the
graveyard of one's enemy . . .
Rabbi Dov Zakheim took some time off his DoD duties on October
11, 2001, to speak at the Chabad Lubavitch event. He called
America the "greatest country in the world" (you expected
something different?) and then "delivered a dvar Torah (sermon),
expounding on the halachic (Jewish law) requirements of a poor
man bringing a meal offering in the Temple."
http://www.15minutesmagazine.com/events_0204-07.htm
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/x/nh-15minutes
Now that's an important theme to bring up at a memorial service,
isn't it? It gives a clear indication of where the Lubavitchers'
attention was focussed. Remember, this dude is the DoD
Comptroller and Undersecretary for Defense.
THEORY AND PRACTICE OF TALMUDIC LAW
"And just as we may not rescue them from a fire, so may we not
rescue them from a collapse [of debris] or from water or from
anything that may destroy them."
Those words are from the Babylonian Talmud (the fundamental holy
book of Judaism), Tractate Sabbath. Chapter XVI (115a) begins
with a condemnation of all holy scriptures from other religions,
in particular the scriptures of Christians ("minim"):
"R[abbi] Tarfon said: May I bury my son if I would not burn them
together with their Divine Names if they came to my hand."
It continues through a tirade against Christians personally:
"For even if one pursued me to slay me, or a snake pursued me to
bite me, I would enter a heathen Temple [for refuge], but not the
houses of these [people], for the latter know [of God] yet deny
[Him], whereas the former are ignorant and deny [Him] . . ."
And it culminates (in 116a) with this:
"R[abbi] Ishmael said: . . . these, who stir up jealousy, enmity,
and wrath between Israel and their Father in Heaven, how much
more so; and of them David said, Do not I hate them, O Lord, that
hate thee? And am I not grieved with those that rise up against
thee? I hate them with a perfect hatred: I count them mine
enemies. And just as we may not rescue them from a fire, so may
we not rescue them from a collapse [of debris] or from water or
from anything that may destroy them."
Who is the "them" referred to in Sabbath 116a? "Them" are
Israel's enemies.
WHY FBI TOOK CONTROL
OF PENTAGON WAR ZONE
Now, perhaps, you can understand why the Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff and his junior officers abandoned their
responsibilities on September 11. Now, perhaps, we can
understand why the FBI was put in charge of the war zone at the
Pentagon on 9-11. The FBI is an arm of Israel. Assigning the
FBI to "secure" the Pentagon would ensure that Army/Navy
personnel not pleasing to Israel were liquidated while a
plausible explanation for their deaths was publicly established.
Assigning the FBI to "secure" the Pentagon would ensure that
incriminating Army/Navy military intelligence documents fall
directly into Israeli hands.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
OF THE US ARMED SERVICES:
What of the noble goals of our country? You now work for a
regime that would wipe those noble goals from the face of the
earth, even from the face of history.
Do you really want to risk your lives wiping out your fellow
Gentiles so that all Gentiles may become slaves of the Jews?
When will your turn come to be slaughtered for political
convenience, just as your comrades in the Pentagon were
slaughtered on 9-11?
Is this the military you intend to support? And if not, what are
you going to do about it?
=============
Footnote 1. The iron seal of approval from the Smithsonian
Institution has worked all the magic required of it. Several
months ago, an attorney contacted this writer. His client was
implicated by evidence offered by one of those who committed
fraud on the Davidian autopsies.
The fraud in those autopsy reports was as clear as a bell to this
attorney. He wanted to know if anyone had legally challenged the
reports; such a recorded challenge might help his client. I had
to report to him that since their release in 1993, not one single
solitary soul in the medical examiner/forensic community had
challenged them. To challenge the autopsies, stamped as they
were with the Smithsonian/FBI imprimatur, would mean career suicide.
APPENDIX:
More on Waco Wayne's faked "rescue" attempt of the Davidians on
April 19, 1993. It was inept, to say the least. Tee Vee cameras
on site that day picked up:
* One of the Special Ops arsonists casually watching the fire
from a rooftop, casually jumping off the roof and landing on his
feet, casually taking off a fire hood he was wearing, and
casually walking to awaiting tanks,
* Tanks pushing crime scene evidence at the burning Mt.
Carmel Center into the fire,
* Soldiers using flame throwers on the grounds of the Mt.
Carmel Center,
* Uniformed Marines at the site,
* Uniformed members of the 10th Mountain Division at the
site, wearing their maroon berets. Their distinctive unit
patches were clearly visible.
Indianapolis attorney Linda Thompson put this footage into her
Waco videos and distributed them all over the country. That
caused an uproar. Thompson's videos left the official Waco fall
guy -- Janet Reno -- severely embarrassed. A reliable and well
placed source told this writer late in 1995 that Downing's
subsequent and consistent lying to Reno and the DoJ concerning
the details of the massacre had created a groundswell of
resentment against him, and that Downing was going to be forced
to "retire." Indeed, this came to pass. Waco Wayne "retired" in
1996. (Look in Usenet archives for this writer's 1996 posting.)
Here is the Tampa Tribune's March 1, 1996 article on Waco Wayne's
"retirement" and his replacement with Shelton.
http://www.public action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/war/doc/w_doc11.html
If you need any further evidence that the Waco Holocaust served
Israel's purposes, visit the ADL website and put the words "Linda
Thompson" into the ADL search engine. You will find ADL
denunciations of Thompson, almost 10 years after the event, an
event that (ostensibly) had nothing to do with Israel or the
Jews. (We've cached the pages.)
As mentioned above, Tee Vee cameras picked up members of the 10th
Mountain Division, clearly identifiable in their maroon berets
and distinctive unit patches, at Waco on April 19. Recently the
(New York) Ithaca Journal published an article in which the
Journal interviewed a 10th Mountain Division soldier upon his
return from Afghanistan. The soldier, Private Matt Guckenheimer,
was quoted thus:
"'We were told there were no friendly forces,' said Guckenheimer,
an assistant gunner with the 10th Mountain Division at Fort Drum.
'If there was anybody there, they were the enemy. We were told
specifically that if there were women and children to kill
them.'" ("Fresh memories of war," The Ithaca Journal, May 25, 2002
http://www.theithacajournal.com/news/stories/20020525/topstories/380284.html
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-10th-mtn-1 )
The publication of Guckenheimer's remarks ruffled some feathers.
On May 31, Guckenheimer wrote a letter to the Ithaca Journal to
"clarify" his remarks. The letter was published on June 4.
The heart of Guckenheimer's clarification was this:
" . . . if those women and children showed hostile intent, we
were ordered to kill them as hostile forces, just like any other
hostile force we encountered . . ." (http://www.theithacajournal.com/news/stories/20020604/opinion/440857.html
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-10th-mtn-2)
It would, of course, be the individual soldier, going house to
house in besieged Afghan villages, who determined "hostile
intent." Running away, giving the soldier a dirty look, or
giving the soldier the finger, could be interpreted as "hostile
intent," of course. In other words, each soldier was given a
cart blanche to kill women and children at his own discretion.
Pvt. Gluckenheimer added:
"However, this does not mean that we were ordered to slaughter
noncombatants such as babies."
DON'T BE PIKERS, OH YOU BRAVE 10th MOUNTAIN SOLDIER BOYS!
ROAST BABIES ON SPITS! ROAST THEM ON YOUR BAYONETS!
MAKE US PROUD TO BE AMERICANS!
=============
Carol A. Valentine
President, Public Action, Inc.
http://www.Public-Action.com
DON'T ANSWER OPINION POLLS ABOUT 9-11 OR ANYTHING ELSE.
Opinion polls and survey questions help the psywarriors design
more efficient lie campaigns.
Don't answer opinion polls, whether they are being taken by
establishment media or so-called "alternate" news sources. Don't
answer opinion polls! Don't help them fool you or your neighbor.
Don't answer survey questions!
911 Lies exposed at http://www.public-action.com/
* Pentagon RESCUE? Open, Bloody, Questions . . .
* Merry Christmas, and OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!
* Flight Of The Bumble Planes
* Did NORAD Send The "Suicide" Jets
Parts 1 & 2, "Inside Job" and 'Dumb Blondes"
* Sen. Levin, NORAD and Chabad Lubavitch
* Tooth Fairies and Suicide Bombers
* Church of The Nativity: Who's Who In Staged Siege?
* Church Of The Nativity And Waco Paradigm
* Operation 911: NO SUICIDE PILOTS
* Tom Clancy Speaks About 9-11
* Mike Rivero, Israeli Spies, and 9-11 Diversions
* Show And Tell, Mike Rivero
* The Taliban Home Video
* Osamarina bin Laden
* Bin Laden: AUTHENTIC INTERVIEW
* 911 Terror: Muslims Suspend Laws of Physics
* Operation Northwoods: The Counterfeit
* Osama bin Surplus
* Osama bin CIA Agent
* Press Uses Actors In War On Islam
* Anti-war.com: Slyly Justifying War on Islam
Bill Silvey
"Carol A. Valentine" <SkyW...@erols.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
I'm sorry - didn't you hear me?
I said, "*Fuck* *off*."
Stupid cunt.
--
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Remove the X's in my email address to respond.
Me: "What you have to understand, dear, is that the internet is a global
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My Wife: "And you're the village idiot, right?"
Andrew Chaplin
>
> "Carol A. Valentine" <SkyW...@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:3D1B917E...@erols.com...
>
> <snip>
>
> I'm sorry - didn't you hear me?
>
> I said, "*Fuck* *off*."
Apparently not.
Despite how vulgarly as you put it, I second your motion.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger."
out, and change "home" to "rogers".)
Dave Zero
> "Carol A. Valentine" <SkyW...@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:3D1B917E...@erols.com...
>
> <snip>
>
> I'm sorry - didn't you hear me?
>
> I said, "*Fuck* *off*."
>
> Stupid cunt.
Get ready to say it a third time, Big Bill, I think these big masses of
wet paper product were labeled parts 1 and 2 of 3.
--
"And I don't care about making an ass of myself because most people
already realize I am one." - Dr. Kary B. Mullis
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Jedi Mind Trick - http://tetrica.com/magic/jedi2.html
Award-winning fiction, "Charles Bronson" -
http://tetrica.com/fiction/charles.html
Gruesome fiction, "Tony's House" -
http://tetrica.com/fiction/tonyshouse.html
Mullis on AIDS - http://tetrica.com/misc/mullis.html
tim gueguen
conspiracy kook, she's also a "the EVIIIIIIIL JOOOOOS want to take over the
world!" conspiracy kook?
tim gueguen 101867
Slade Farney
TIM? Timmy baby? It's been so long!
Listen, Tim, you are absolutely SO right about those conspiracy
theories. It's terrible the way people blame the Joos all the
time.
When it comes to world wide evil conspiracies, it is NEVER the
Joos, ALWAYS somebody else. Like the Germans. Everybody knows
the Germans were conspiring to take over the world. That's all
they lived for. And they had agents and spies absolutely
everywhere, and they were a dangerous threat to all of
civilization, so we had to wipe them out, right?
But then it was the Russians and the Communists. Now everybody
knows about their world-wide conspiracy to take over the world
and make slaves of us all. That is the whole THING about
communism. If they weren't doing that, they weren't communists.
Aryans -- now there's a bunch of conspiracy people. They're
ALways getting together in secret groups and conspiring to get
rid of the Joos and take over the world. Bad BAD Aryans.
But now it's the Al Qaeda, or maybe the Taliban, but probably all
the A-rabs, so we should just wipe out everybody who reads the
Koran. Because them have this world-wide conspiracy, see? And
them hates us because we are so bright and smart and rich and
happy and Joowish, and them hates happy Joowish people.
Conspiracy is not a complicated subject. The thing is, to listen
and sign up to the CORRECT conspiracy. If you have the right
conspiracy, you're smart like George Bush and ADL's Foxman. But
with the wrong conspiracy, you're just a kook -- like Carol.
It is so OBvious: Joos is good, Enemy-Of-The-Week is bad. Very,
very simple. So how come some people just don't get it?
--Slade
tim gueguen
"Slade Farney" <sfa...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:abe991f.02063...@posting.google.com...
> "tim gueguen" <ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in message
news:<ZfPS8.85709$s82.6...@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>...
> > "Carol A. Valentine" <SkyW...@erols.com> wrote in message
> > news:3D1B917E...@erols.com...
> > >
> >
> > Nothing of value. But is anyone surprised that not only is Carol
> > a conspiracy kook, she's also a "the EVIIIIIIIL JOOOOOS want to
> > take over the world!" conspiracy kook?
> >
> > tim gueguen 101867
>
> TIM? Timmy baby? It's been so long!
>
see.
tim gueguen 101867
Slade Farney
news:<ZfPS8.85709$s82.6...@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>...
TIM? Timmy baby? It's been so long!
Listen, Tim, you are absolutely SO right about those conspiracy
theories. It's terrible the way people blame the Joos all the
time.
When it comes to world wide evil conspiracies, it is NEVER the
Joos, ALWAYS somebody else. Like the Germans. Everybody knows
the Germans were conspiring to take over the world. That's all
they lived for. And they had agents and spies absolutely
everywhere, and they were a dangerous threat to all of
civilization, so we had to wipe them out, right?
But then it was the Russians and the Communists. Now everybody
knows about their world-wide conspiracy to take over the world
and make slaves of us all. That is the whole THING about
communism. If they weren't doing that, they weren't communists.
Aryans -- now there's a bunch of conspiracy people. They're
ALways getting together in secret groups and conspiring to get
rid of the Joos and take over the world. Bad BAD Aryans.
But now it's the Al Qaeda, or maybe the Taliban, but probably all
the A-rabs, so we should just wipe out everybody who reads the
Koran. Because them have this world-wide conspiracy, see? And
them hates us because we are so bright and smart and rich and
happy and Joowish, and them hates happy Joowish people.
Conspiracy is not a complicated subject. The thing is, to listen
and sign up to the CORRECT conspiracy. If you have the right
conspiracy, you're smart like George Bush and Abe Foxman. But
with the wrong conspiracy, you're just a kook -- like Carol.
It is so OBvious: Joos is good, Enemy-Of-The-Week is bad. Very,
very simple. So how come some people don't get it?
--Slade
--
There will be no Peace on Earth
until all the oil in Arabia
belongs to Israel
Slade Farney
>
> "Slade Farney" <sfa...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:abe991f.02063...@posting.google.com...
Ah, Bill, now you are being totally unfair to the Joos! Everybody else
is putting together conspiracies to take over the world. Heck, man:
* The Hispanic Cuban ex-patriots hijacked Voice of America to win Cuba
away from Castro;
* The Blacks have their MOVE, anti-Semitic Black Muslims, Black
Panthers, and anti-J-Edgar groups plotting against the FBI;
* The Sicilians are constantly reforming into the ubiquitous and
unstoppable Mafia;
* Asian gangs are importing drugs, illegal immigrants, and crime mobs
into the US; ...
And you say the Joos are incapable of conspiracy??? What are you, a
racist? Joos are just as ready, willing, and able to form secret
take-over-the-world conspiracies as anyone else.
Joos are real hooman beans!
So stop the Anti-Joo rhetoric and address the real issue in this
thread: Why -- against all fire fighting technology and regulation --
why did they spray the aviation fuel fire at the Pentagon with water?
And why did the fire burn for 60 hours?
--Slade
There will be no Peace on Earth
until all the oil in Arabia
belongs to Israel
Keith Willshaw
> Bill Silvey wrote:
>
> And you say the Joos are incapable of conspiracy??? What are you, a
> racist? Joos are just as ready, willing, and able to form secret
> take-over-the-world conspiracies as anyone else.
>
> Joos are real hooman beans!
>
> So stop the Anti-Joo rhetoric and address the real issue in this
> thread:
You are a grade A idiot if you thiink Bill was being
anti-semitic
> Why -- against all fire fighting technology and regulation --
> why did they spray the aviation fuel fire at the Pentagon with water?
>
Because the alternative was to let it burn and
the aviation fuelburned out within minutes, after that
the fire was fuelled by the 30kg per sq m of fuel
that any office contains (furniture, paper wood etc)
> And why did the fire burn for 60 hours?
>
Keith
Slade Farney
>
> "Slade Farney" <sfa...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:3D2115C9...@bigfoot.com...
> >
> > why did they spray the aviation fuel fire at the Pentagon with water?
> >
>
> Because the alternative was to let it burn and
Keith, you are misinformed. For many decades, firefighters have
used FOAMS on petroleum fires because they are _Class B fires_.
http://www.hanford.gov/fire/safety/extingrs.htm
Every airport is required to keep foam spraying equipment for
quenching fuel fires. Read Part 1 of Carol Valentine's essay
(below) -- you'll find a dozen official sources telling you about
foam. Or go to her web page at http://public-action.com/rescue.html
> the aviation fuelburned out within minutes,
Wrong again. According to news reports, "pools of jet fuel" were
still catching fire for quite some time. You have obviously never
seen or fought a kerosene fire, and maybe you don't know that jet
fuel is refined kerosene, not gasoline. It burns for a LONG time.
> after that
> the fire was fuelled by the 30kg per sq m of fuel
> that any office contains (furniture, paper wood etc)
Are you going for 3 outs in three pitches? Just read the text,
check out the sources, catch up on your facts, and get back to
me when you've drawn a deep breath or two. You're in deep denial,
and it's given you the babbles.
Here's Part 1 of Carol's essay, again:
Pentagon RESCUE?
Open, Bloody, Questions . . .
by Carol A. Valentine
President, Public Action, Inc.
This article available at: http://www.Public-Action.com
Copyright, June, 2002
May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes
* * *
"There cannot be any survivors; it just would be beyond comprehension."
-- Donald Rumsfeld, US Secretary of Defense, speaking of missing
Pentagon personnel on September 11, 2001 -- just nine hours after
impact.
* * *
"And just as we may not rescue them from a fire, so may we not
rescue them from a collapse [of debris] or from water or from
anything that may destroy them."
* * *
June 23, 2002 -- The recent movie "Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man
Behind)" deals with an important lesson -- the military has two
jobs. The military must destroy the enemy's forces and they must
ensure the survival of their own. "Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man
Behind)" dramatizes a story of survival: the heroic efforts of
soldiers who attempted to rescue their fellows who were trapped
behind enemy lines in Mogadishu, Somalia. The rescuers
themselves become trapped, and they, too, needed to be rescued.
For about 140 minutes, "Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man Behind)"
deals with how much soldiers -- from the generals down to the
enlisted man -- care about each other. We see soldiers risking
their lives to get their wounded buddies, risking grenades,
risking machine gun fire, risking rockets, risking belligerent
mobs -- all to rescue other soldiers. We hear dialogue that goes
like this:
"Medivac! Medivac!"
"No man gets left behind,"
"You all right?"
"No man gets left behind,"
"We won't leave you behind,"
"If he don't get to the hospital in 1/2 hour, he's in trouble!"
"No man gets left behind."
At one point, two soldiers are talking about a helicopter crash.
The dialogue goes something like this: "There can't be any
survivors," says the first man. The second replies: "We don't
know that, we gotta go back and look!"
At the conclusion of the movie, soldier hero Sgt. Hoot Gibson is
asked why he risks life and limb in these military actions: Is he
a war addict? Hoot replies:
"It's about the man next to you."
Camaraderie, being a team member -- that's what the US military
is about.
Or is it?
What would you think of a military that refused to rescue its
soldiers from certain death -- even though those soldiers were
within arm's reach, right in the Pentagon office building?
What would you think of a military that publicly pretended
rescue, but meanwhile deceitfully ensured the deaths of its own
soldiers?
What would you think of a military that gave away the its
rightful jurisdiction over military matters to perfidious
civilians, and stood by while the civilians let US soldiers die?
Who would support such a military?
As you read this article, keep in mind that on September 11, the
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was General Henry Hugh
Shelton. Shelton is a former Commanding General of the 101 and
82nd Airborne Divisions. He is a former Commanding General of
the XVIII Airborne Corps, and a former Commander in Chief of the
Special Operations Command. It was Special Operations that
conducted the "Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man Behind)" mission in
Mogadishu, Somalia. (See Shelton's career highlights at:
http://1-14th.com/GenShelton.htm cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-shelton-career
There's what you need to know: On September 11, the top
commander of the entire US military machine was intimately
familiar with aircraft, aviation fuel fires, aircraft rescue, and
the ideals depicted in "Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man Behind)."
However, those who directed the 9-11 rescue at the Pentagon did
these amazing things:
* They sprayed the aviation fuel fire with water. Every
housewife knows you don't spray water on a grease or oil fire;
both military and civilian aviation fire fighters know you don't
spray water on an aviation fuel fire.
* They allowed the fire to spread until the upper floors of
the Pentagon collapsed, burying Army and Navy personnel in the
debris and further hampering their rescue.
* Once the upper floors collapsed, the directors of the
rescue flouted standard rescue procedures for collapsed
buildings.
* While there should still have been hope of finding
survivors alive, they used a wrecking ball to demolish sections
of the building still standing. Many additional tons of debris
crashed down upon the already buried victims, almost certainly
collapsing any spaces or voids which may have sheltering victims
in the original debris.
* When qualified emergency medical technicians arrived by
helicopter to rescue the victims, they were ordered to leave and
forbidden from returning. One wave of survivors were brought
out, and then there were no more . . .
* One flimsy excuse after the other was used to stop the work
and delay rescue operations.
* Civilian rescuers worked long shifts and became exhausted
with wrongheaded methods. Meanwhile, thousands of able-bodied
military personnel at nearby bases -- including those specially
trained in putting out aviation fires -- sat and watched the
drama on Tee Vee.
* Surviving military intelligence officers lost jurisdiction
over military intelligence documents and those documents were
collected by civilians not cleared to see them.
Meanwhile, the Pentagon front office made a media spectacular of
the fire. Donald Rumsfeld and other Pentagon officials wrung
their hands and cried, "How awful, how awful" for days, stoking
up passions for a war.
Do I believe that the well-meaning, desperate, and exhausted
rescuers we saw on TV intended anything but the best? No. I
believe the people doing the work had the very best intentions
and were trying to save lives. But they were relying on the
leadership to make decisions. They naturally followed orders as
they are trained to do. Among the people I accuse are:
* Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at that time, Gen.
Henry Hugh Shelton,
* Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense,
* Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense,
* Rabbi Dov Zakheim, Undersecretary/Comptroller of DoD,
* Secretary of the Army Thomas E. White,
* Other commanders of the National Military Command Center,
* Other "John Does" -- persons whose names remain hidden to
the public at this time.
SOURCES OF INFORMATION
Government and quasi-government sources were used, including:
The DoD's American Forces Information Service (AFIS)
http://www.defenselink.mil/afis/
The AFIS's Defense Visual Information Center
http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/dvic/
The Military District of Washington
http://www.mdw.army.mil/
and standard news coverage -- Associated Press, Reuters, UPI, etc.
PART I ". . .WE MAY NOT RESCUE THEM FROM A FIRE . . ."
"And just as we may not rescue them from a fire, so may we not
rescue them from a collapse [of debris] or from water or from
anything that may destroy them."
Here are the major points I will cover in Part I:
Aviation Fire Control Requires Foam
Military Uses Foam On Jet Fuel Fires
Water, Not Foam, Was Used On Pentagon Flames
Effect Of Using Water? Fire Continued to Spread
Airport Firetruck Used Water Despite FAA Regulations
Was There Really A Jet Fuel Fire?
Military Firefighters Close To Pentagon
Military Firefighters Fail to Show
Pentagon Watched 9-11 On Tee Vee"911? Help! Pentagon Here!
Send Civilians!"
Rumsfeld, Top Brass Knew What Was Happening
Fire As A Media Spectacular
Rumsfeld's Crystal Ball: "There cannot be any survivors ..."
Rumsfeld's Predictions Come True
Emergency Medical Technicians Told To Get Out And Stay Out
Air Space Not Too Restricted
Concern For Civilians?
Area Hospitals Puzzled By Low Number Of Surviving Victims
Army "Supports" FBI And Fire Department
FBI Looking For Osama's Fingerprints?
Black Hawk Down Meets Pentagon Down
Fire Used As Excuse To Stall Rescue
Fire Used To Explain Deaths
Fire, She Keep On Burn'in . . .
Millions Of Gallons Of Water Used
AVIATION FIRE CONTROL REQUIRES FOAM
Let us begin by accepting one of the Official Truths of 9-11:
American Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, and exploding jet
fuel caused an inferno. The fire obviously threatened the lives
of those still in the building, and it threatened to spread. It
had to be put out quickly.
Liquid petroleum fires present a special problem to firefighters.
Ordinarily, water is used to douse building fires. But liquid
fuel floats on the top of water, giving the fuel access to
oxygen. Thus water does not extinguish a liquid petroleum fire.
Special foams have been developed to extinguish liquid petroleum
fires. Those foams are mixtures that float on the surface of the
fuel and cut off the oxygen, suffocating the combustion.
If you want to know more about extinguishing fires, try:
http://www.quantchem.kuleuven.ac.be/safety/info1.htm
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-aboutfires
If you want to learn about aircraft rescue procedure and the
routine use of foam, visit this page:
http://www.eecs.umich.edu/mathscience/funexperiments/agesubject/lessons/newton/fire.htmlcached
at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-newtonsrescue
In the above pages, notice the emphasis on speed in fighting
fires. Aviation fire-and-rescue people have only about two
minutes to rescue passengers before it is too late to help. And
foam is THE tool of choice because it puts out liquid fuel fires
efficiently.
If you go to the Aviation Fire Journal you will see photos of
special foam spraying trucks used at airports, and a photo of
three firefighters extinguishing an aircraft fire with foam.
http://www.fire.org.uk/aviation/
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-aviationfirejournal
MILITARY USES FOAMS ON JET FUEL FIRES
We have already seen from the above referenced Aviation Fire
Journal webpage that foam is used to fight fires at civilian
airports, but now let's turn our attention to what happens in
military aviation. Visit the DoD's Defense Visual Information
Center at:
http://www.dodmedia.osd.mil/dvic/
and put "rescue" in the DVIC search engine. On March 23, 2002, I
did that, and when I scrolled down, I found the following three photos:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-dodmedia.gif
Each of them shows foam being sprayed on aviation fuel fire. I
cached each photo. Here they are.
The photo bearing the ID DMSD0001393
http://nfo.dodmedia.osd.mil/VIS/2000/Marines/DM-SD-00-01393.JPG
is cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-pic93.jpg
The text under this photo reads:
"Two crash fire rescue Marines fight a jet fuel fire to sharpen
their skills in the event a real fire emergency were to arise."
The photo bearing the ID DMSD0001394
http://nfo.dodmedia.osd.mil/VIS/2000/Marines/DM-SD-00-01394.JPG
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-pic94.jpg
The text under this photo reads:
"Two crash fire rescue Marines fight an extremely hot jet fuel
fire to sharpen their skills in the event a real fire emergency
were to arise." [sic]
The photo bearing the ID
DMSD0001395http://nfo.dodmedia.osd.mil/VIS/2000/Marines/DM-SD-00
01395.JPG
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-pic95.jpg
The text under this photo reads:
"Members of a crash fire rescue team advance into a fire pit in
order to dowse an extremely hot jet fuel fire to sharpen their
skills in the event a real fire emergency were to arise."
You will find more photos of military aviation firefighter
training at the Unofficial United States Air Force Crash
Rescue/Air Rescue Firefighter Web Site Training Page:
http://pedroairrescuechopper.net/Crash/firetraining.htm
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-unof-usaf-rescue
You will find a wealth of similar pages by conducting your own
Internet search or following links on the pages already cited.
WATER, NOT FOAM, WAS USED
ON PENTAGON FLAMES
By now we have established that knowledgeable fire fighters
never, never, never, use water to fight petroleum fires.
However, here is what happened:
"Outside, the Arlington County police and fire departments
arrived and started securing the area and pumping water on the
blaze." ("September 11 at the Pentagon," American Forces Press
Service, October 11, 2001.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10112001_200110113.html
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-afis-couchpotatoes
Look at this photo from the American Forces Information Service.
http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/images/sres.pl?Lbox_cap=356273&dir=Photo&ttl=010911-M
4122I-031&vn=&ref=defenselink
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-0930firetruck
The caption reads:
"Firefighters work to put out the flames moments after a hijacked
jetliner crashed into the Pentagon at approximately 0930 on Sept.
11, 2001. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Jason Ingersoll)
(Released)" What wrong with this picture? Well, we know military
men are precise about keeping time. What time did the Boeing 757
hit the Pentagon? Depending on the report you read, the event
occurred at 9:40 a.m. (Time Magazine), 9:43 a.m. (CNN), or even
9:45 a.m. (Miami Herald).
It surely would taken the Arlington Fire Department five or ten
minutes to arrive at the Pentagon and set up the hoses. That
would suggest the Marine's photo was taken somewhere between
09:45 to 9:55 a.m., fifteen minutes later than he states.
It's an odd photo -- the much of the "water" being sprayed by the
firetruck appears to be white out. The jet originates from the
lower left side of the picture, to the left of the fire truck,
and the water fans out broadly but does not lose any of its
opacity. But notice that the upper floors had not yet collapsed
at the time the photo was taken.
EFFECT OF USING WATER?
FIRE CONTINUES TO SPREAD
But what was the result of using water to extinguish a jet fuel
fire? Predictably, the fire continued to spread. Soon the upper
floors and the roof were involved, and they collapsed. We should
be surprised?
http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/images/sres.pl?Lbox_cap=356321&dir=Photo&ttl=010911
M%204122I-031&vn=&ref=defenselink
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-flamesspread
The photo taken after the collapse was taken by Jason Ingersoll,
the same Marine who took the photo of the fire truck spraying
water on the fire at "0930." The caption on the photo taken
after the collapse, however, reads:
"The pentagon [sic] in flames just minutes after a hijacked
jetliner crashed into the building on Sept. 11, 2001. (U.S.
Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Jason Ingersoll) (Released)" No, this
second picture could not have been taken "just minutes" after
impact. According to photographic evidence the upper floors did
not collapse immediately, and surely the Marine photographer knew
exactly when he took this photo. Furthermore, a CNN 9-11 time
line available on the Net states:
"10:10 a.m.: A portion of the Pentagon collapses."
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/chronology.attack/ So the second
photo was taken approximately 30 minutes after the impact event.
Thirty minutes is not "just minutes" after impact. Now let's
return to the American Forces Press Service coverage:
"Fire continued to burn the Pentagon and spread in unrenovated
sections. Flames ignited core materials in the layered roof and
were particularly difficult to get at. Pools of aviation fuel
would ignite occasionally and create thick black smoke over the
building . . ."
"AT 6:00 p.m., with the building still on fire . . ."
("September 11 at the Pentagon," American Forces Press Service,
October 11, 2001.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10112001_200110113.html
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-afis-couchpotatoes
AIRPORT FIRETRUCK USED WATER
DESPITE FAA REGULATIONS
We have just seen that military aviation firefighters are trained
to use foam on aviation fuel fires. Are civilian aviation
firefighters dumb enough to use water? No, not at all. FAA
regulations require civilian airports to have firetrucks equipped
to spray foam, and just two years ago the Detroit City Airport
was cited by the FAA because it would not follow these
regulations.
According to newspaper reports, Detroit City Airport firefighters
had been asking airport fire department for more foam because
their supplies were low, but for weeks the firefighters received
no response. Then, shortly after midnight June 21, Secret
Service agents notified City Airport firefighters to expect First
Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton to arrive the next day on a Lear jet.
Mrs. Clinton would be in Detroit for a $1,000 a person
fund-raiser for New York Senate campaign.
The next day the firefighters got the 150 gallons of foam they
had been requesting.
(Detroit News, "FAA criticizes City Airport for Violations,"
November 5, 2000.
http://detnews.com/specialreports/2000/firedept/faa/faa.htm
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-faa-detroit
But look at this photo from the Military District of Washington's
webpage,
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/firetruck.htmlcached
at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-airport-truck345
The caption under the photo reads:
"Fire truck 345 from Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority
Fire Department throws a stream of water into the collapsed point
of impact as smoke billows from the Pentagon shortly after an
airplane slammed into the west side of the building."
Why is the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority Fire
Department spraying water on the Pentagon fire, when FAA
regulations require airport firefighting trucks to use foam? It
is inexplicable -- unless, of course, you consider the entire
"rescue" mosaic.
WAS THERE REALLY A JET FUEL FIRE?
This photo shows firefighters from the Alexandria Fire Department
spraying water on the debris.
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/firemen.html
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-alex-fire-dept
Makes one wonder, doesn't it? Perhaps all these firefighters
knew what we don't -- maybe there was no aviation fuel in the
Pentagon that day . . . no aviation fuel means no airplane, no
airplane means no truth in the Official Story. That's one explanation.
MILITARY FIREFIGHTERS CLOSE TO PENTAGON
Andrews Air Force Base, home of Air Force One, is 9 1/2 miles
from the Pentagon, as the crow flies,. Bolling Air Force Base is
1 1/2 miles from the Pentagon, as the crow flies. Quantico
Marine Base (home of Marine Helicopter Squadron One) is 23 miles
from the Pentagon, as the crow flies.
MILITARY FIREFIGHTERS FAIL TO SHOW
There should have been no problem getting aviation fire fighters
from Andrews, Bolling or Quantico to the Pentagon, pronto, to put
the fire out and rescue their comrades. The soldiers in "Black
Hawk Down (Leave No Man Behind)" did not hesitate to crash
through enemy lines, through crowds throwing grenades, through
machine gun fire, rocket launchers, armed militia, etc., to
rescue their comrades. The servicemen at Andrews, Bolling, or
Quantico were in friendly territory. All they had to do was
travel a few miles along the Beltway or Interstate 95.
So did the "leave no man behind" military show up to rescue their
Pentagon comrades? No, it didn't happen.
As the photo in the September 24, 2001, Business Week (pg. 47)
shows, the US military was organized enough to have soldiers
drive an armored personnel carrier (APC) down Wall Street in New
York during the 9-11 crisis, but not organized enough to send
military aviation firefighters to the Pentagon.
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-wallstreet
On the other hand, let's not be too critical of the military
response to the fire. After all, the Marines did send a photographer.
PENTAGON WATCHED 9-11 ON TEE VEE
Let's take a step back and look at what was happening before
disaster struck the headquarters of the mightiest military force
on God's Green Earth. Let us rely on the DoD's own news service,
the American Forces Press Service.
Surely AFPS had access and can give us the inside scoop.
According to AFPS, the morning of September 11 saw the folks at
the Pentagon sitting around watching the WTC towers burn on Tee
Vee, courtesy of CNN.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10112001_200110113.html
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-afis-couchpotatoes
When CNN announced the NYC strikes were an act of terrorism, did
any of the couch potatoes react? Did they say:
"You don't suppose they'll send planes over here, do you? After
all, those people are terrorists, and this is the Pentagon. We'd
better call Andrews Air Force Base and get some air cover . . .
." ?
No, the Pentagon couch potatoes just "exchanged shocked glances .
. ." And presumably continued to watch the drama unfold on CNN.
I wonder if they were munching on donuts or nachos as they watched?
"911? HELP!
PENTAGON HERE! SEND CIVILIANS!"
BLAM! Flight 77 (allegedly) hits the Pentagon. How do the couch
potatoes respond? The American Forces Press Service report tells
us: "Outside, the Arlington County police and fire departments
arrived and started securing the area and pumping water on the
blaze" but mentions not one word about how the Arlington County
Fire Department was alerted to the situation.
We can imagine General Couch Potato dialing 911:
"Hello? 911? This is the Pentagon. We're sitting around
watching Tee Vee and just found out from CNN that half of our
building just got blown away, and hey, there's a fire . . . can
y'all send a few trucks over? Yeah. Its an aviation fuel fire,
so make sure to spray water on it, orright?"
Now some may point out that the Arlington County Fire Department
has an agreement with the Pentagon to handle fire emergencies
(SOP#OPS EMS 10). Obviously this agreement was made to handle
everyday fires started by exploding Pentagon coffee pots, or file
cabinet fires. It is ridiculous to suggest the Pentagon had this
agreement to handle acts of war on the Pentagon.
And Pentagon personnel knew that the September 11 events were
acts of war. They were watching CNN, and CNN had just told them.
No, the couch potatoes should have ordered air cover over DC when
the first news from New York broke. And failing that, once the
9:40 a.m. (or 9:43, or 9:45) event occurred, the military should
immediately have ordered military aviation firefighters to put
out the blaze.
Local civilian fire departments handle ordinary building fires.
They don't handle aviation fuel fires. Local fire stations
should not have been on the scene that day. Their presence acted
as a distraction. Their presence distracted attention from the
simple fact that no one in the Pentagon was taking proper
measures to put the fire out.
RUMSFELD, TOP BRASS
KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING
It might be comforting to think that Rumsfeld, Shelton, and the
top brass were all out playing golf that day and not on hand to
see what was going on, but that was not true. The American
Forces Press Service tells the story as if these were heroic lads:
"One area never closed: the National Military Command Center.
Rumsfeld and the senior leadership repaired to the facility and
monitored DoD activities worldwide. At one point, smoke grew so
thick in the faculty that there was talk of evacuating, but
Rumsfeld scotched it."
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10112001_200110113.html
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-afis-couchpotatoes
What is the National Military Command Center, mentioned above? See
http://www.dtic.mil/jcs/core/ongoingops.html
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-nmccenter
So the top commanders of each of the services were on site. Each
of the services uses aviators, each of the commanders HAD to know
water does not extinguish aviation fuel fires, yet all of them
let the farce continue.
FIRE AS A MEDIA SPECTACULAR
Had the fire been put out quickly with foam, Rumsfeld would have
lost valuable public relations mileage. The "stubborn" fire at
the Pentagon was just one facet of a campaign designed to whip
the American pubic and military into a bloodlust for a war on
Islam. From a propaganda viewpoint, the higher the casualty
list, the better.
The American Forces Information Service describe the press gala
on September 11 this way:
"Across Washington Boulevard from the Pentagon, the press set up
shop at the navy Annex Exchange gas station and broadcast the
fire fighting activities. With Correspondents' Corridor closed,
reporters dictated stories using cell phones. TV trucks with
antennae showed up and eased some of the communications problems.
"At 6:00 p.m, with the building still on fire, Pentagon officials
announced Rumsfeld would have a press conference in the Pentagon.
Buses arrived at the gas station to take reporters,
photographers and videographers to the Pentagon.
"Inside the River Entrance of the building the smoke hit like a
physical force. People could not see to the end of the hallways
and it was tough to breathe. The smell of burning insulation and
electrical wiring permeated the briefing studio.
"As Rumsfeld, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army Gen.
Henry Shelton, Senate Armed Services Committee chairman Sen. Carl
Levin, ranking minority member Sen. John Warner, and Army
Secretary Thomas White came into the studio, one side of the
building was still on fire."
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10112001_200110113.html
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-afis-couchpotatoes
"Rumsfeld expressed his sorrow over the loss of life at the
building ...."
Do you believe Rumsfeld felt any grief over those he was doing
nothing to help?
Missing from the media spectacular was THE key 9-11 player: the
commander of the North American Aerospace Defense Command
(NORAD), Ralph E. Eberhart; as commander of NORAD, it was
Eberhart's job to keep American skies safe. But Rumsfeld &
Company kept Eberhart safely tucked away. At 6:42 p.m. on
September 11 Donald Rumsfeld held a national press conference.
Eberhart did not even show up then.
RUMSFELD' CRYSTAL BALL:
"THERE CANNOT BE ANY SURVIVORS"
Emergency rescue experts say earthquake victims who are buried in
debris can survive up to 12 days (more below.) Rumsfeld held
his September 11 press conference approximately nine hours after
impact. He made this statement:
"There cannot be any survivors; it just would be beyond comprehension."
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/t09112001_t0911sd.html
cached at:
http://www.public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-911pressconference
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-911pressconferencepic
How could Rumsfeld KNOW no more survivors would be found in the
Pentagon debris, when earthquake experts give victims a 12-day
chance of survival? At this point, the Pentagon victims had only
been buried nine hours. Why the hurry to pronounce them all dead?
Gen. Shelton was at Rumsfeld's side during this press conference.
He of course uttered pious statements about "barbaric terrorism
carried out by fanatics against both civilians and military
people, acts that have killed and maimed many innocent and decent
citizens our country." Oddly, however, Mr. Derring-do Shelton
did not say a word about the rescue efforts which were murdering
survivors.
He said:
"I will not tell you up front, I have no intentions of discussing
today what comes next, but make no mistake about it, your armed
forces are ready."
Yes, our armed forces were ready, all right, Mr. Rescue Shelton.
Ready to let civilian firemen squirt water on an aviation fuel
fire while men died under the debris. And you stood by and
watched . . . you watched it going on for days . . .
Aside from Rumsfeld, who spoke about the rescue efforts? Sen.
Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, who
uttered this inanity: "Our intense focus on recovery and helping
the injured and the families of those who were killed is matched
only by . . . [rah, rah, war, war ] . . ."
RUMSFELD'S PREDICTIONS COME TRUE
No survivors were found on September 12 and 13, or on any other
day thereafter, just like Rumsfeld predicted.
"As of Thursday morning [September 13], about 70 bodies had been
removed from the buckled section of the Pentagon as
search-and-rescue workers toiled around the clock with little
hope of finding more survivors. Anyone who might have survived
the initial impact and collapse could not have survived the fire
that followed." ("Pentagon Says About 190 People Dead,"
September 13, by Robert Burns, AP Military Writer, Associated
Press) http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-ap-09-13-2001
Remember heat travels UP, not down. Those still buried in the
rubble may well have been protected from the fire above them.
On September 14, the Pentagon announced 126 DoD personnel were
dead. On September 15, the figure was lowered to 124 because
two people had been double-counted. On October 11, 2001, when
President Bush spoke at a Pentagon memorial service, he confirmed
125 DoD deaths. ("Memorial Service Honors Pentagon Victims,"
American Forces Information Service, Oct. 11, 2001.)
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10112001_200110116.html
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-afis-10-11 2001memorial
Remember Rumsfeld's words on September 11:
"There cannot be any survivors; it just would be beyond comprehension."
So Rumsfeld's predictions came true. After the first round of
victims escaped, there were no more survivors . . . He's quite
a clairvoyant, isn't he? What are the statistical chances of
Rumsfeld being 100% right in circumstances like those?
EMERGENCY MEDICAL HELP
TOLD TO GET OUT AND STAY OUT
We all know that when a person is seriously ill or injured, he
must be given medical attention as soon as possible. Delay may
cost the victim's life. That's why we have ambulances, and
that's why ambulances have sirens.
On September 11, three members of a Washington Hospital Center
MedStar Transport helicopter team responded to the emergency at
the Pentagon. Several days later, (September 14) they were
interviewed by Kathy Fowler of WJLA-TV (ABC-Channel 7) in the
Washington, DC area. Luckily, I have a copy of that interview.
The MedStar pilot and crew were among the very first at the
scene, according to the WJLA report. When they arrived, they
were told that another suicide plane was on the way and they
should LEAVE.
How does that comport with the "Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man
Behind)" philosophy? Here we have civilians showing up to
perform rescues and the military (or whoever was controlling the
Pentagon scene then) ordering them to abandon the victims on the
pretext of an unconfirmed and unfounded report.
The MedStar people, to their eternal credit, refused to leave.
By the time they did, they had helped eight victims and were
taking another to the hospital. Speaking of the rescued victim,
one of the crew told Fowler on camera:
"She hugged me three times and said thank you for saving my life."
Then Fowler told the audience:
"After the crew transferred one patient back to the Washington
Hospital Center, they were not allowed to go back because of the
restricted air
space."
So what we have is this: MedStar arrived and was immediately
ordered to leave. They refused, rescued eight people, took one
to the hospital, and were prevented from coming back.
Now who would prohibit a MedStar helicopter to return to the
scene of a disaster and take victims to the hospital? Those
MedStar helicopters should have been given military escorts to
and from the disaster site. What could be more important than
immediate professional medical care for the 9-11 victims?
AIR SPACE NOT TOO RESTRICTED
Despite what the MedStar people were told, the air space was not
quite as restricted as the Pentagon indicated. Here is a photo
of a military helicopter flying over the crash site conducting
"aerial survey." If the US military could conduct surveillance
over the crash site, it surely could have seen to it that the
MedStar helicopters were safely escorted to and fro.
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/medvac2.html
cached
at:http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-airspace-not closed
This photo shows what appears to be the same chopper, now
described as an Army "Red Cross" helicopter.
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/helicopters.html
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-airspace-not-closed2
It is of utmost importance that the injured should be moved only
by trained people. Improper handling of an injured person can
result in his death or permanent paralysis. In this photo, we
see that the Pentagon allowed the Park Police helicopter to land
and do "rescue" work. The Park Police are part of the National
Park Service. They are not trained emergency medical people.
Nor is the helicopter marked as an emergency medical chopper.
Why did they stop MedStar's trained professionals but allow
National Park Service employees to handle the injured? Something
stinks here.
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/airtransport.html
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-parkpolice
CONCERN FOR CIVILIANS?
Perhaps you think that the MedStar team was chased away because
those in charge of the crash site were concerned for the safety
of civilians. If so, recall that civilian firemen were present
at the scene, using water on a petroleum-fueled fire when they
should have been using foam. They were not chased away.
Some, upon learning qualified emergency medical rescue people
were turned away from the Pentagon disaster site, may insist
there "must" have been a good reason for keeping them out. But a
tree is judged by the fruit that it bears. So let's look at the fruit.
AREA HOSPITALS SURPRISED BY
LOW NUMBER OF SURVIVING VICTIMS
Area hospitals geared up to handle a large number of injured
survivors, and were most surprised when few showed up.
"But only about 80 people were treated at area hospitals,
according to Walter Reed officials. At Virginia Hospital Center
in nearby Arlington, over 100 nurses and 50 doctors were called
in -- 16 times the normal emergency staffing. They treated 44
victims in the first 24 hours, more than any other hospital in
the region. But it was a mere trickle compared with what they
expected. Inova Alexandria Hospital treated just 22 victims, 16
of whom were released Tuesday. Six patients were helicoptered
from the Pentagon to Washington Hospital Center. 'We got the
first wave, says Marion Jordan, director of the hospital's
renowned burn unit. 'After than, nothing.' In the end, his
trauma teams treated about as many people as they would from a
large house fire." (US News & World Report, Sept. 14, 2001, pg.
51)
Repeat:
"In the end, his trauma teams [at the nearby Washington Hospital
Center] treated about as many people as they would from a large
house fire." What's wrong with this picture? Then, later on
the same page:
"Waiting for survivors: Navy Lt. Charles McGill, 26, who had
worked at the Pentagon for just four weeks, joined a group of
people who calmly evacuated the massive building, then made his
way around the perimeter to where dark, heavy smoke poured out.
He lined up to be a stretcher bearer. He and his fellow
volunteers, four to a board, were told that during these first
hours only survivors would be moved. 'In three hours, no one came
out.'" (US news & World Report, Sept. 14, 2001, pg. 51.)
Repeat: Navy Lt. Charles McGill said:
"In three hours, no one came out."
Then, on the next page:
"At the Pentagon, two trauma teams remain on the scene in two
triage tents, with the workers replaced every eight hours. Lt.
Col. James Goff, assistant chief of surgery at Walter Reed, says
that no survivors have been removed from the building since the
early hours Tuesday." (US News and World Report, September 14,
2001, Pg. 52.) Repeat:
"[N]o survivors have been removed from the building since the
early hours Tuesday."
ARMY "SUPPORTS" FBI AND FIRE DEPARTMENT
During Donald Rumsfeld's September 11 press conference, Secretary
of the Army Thomas E. White spoke gobblegook, thus:
"I think it's fair to say at this point that the fire is
contained, and will shortly, if not already, be sufficiently
controlled to allow entry into the building. That entry will be
supervised by the FBI, who are in charge of the site, assisted by
the fire departments that are present. We, on the Army side,
will support them as they go in the building and search for
casualties and bring them out . . ."
(http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/t09112001_t0911sd.html
cached at:
http://www.public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-911pressconference)
What was White talking about? Who is the "them" White is
referring to?
". . . support them as they go in the building and search for
casualties and bring them out . . ." ? Obviously he was talking
about FBI agents. The FBI is going to rescue Pentagon personnel!
But FBI agents are not medically trained, and they are not
rescuers. They are assassins. Look at what they did to Melissa
Morrison, a 7-year-old Davidian child, when they "rescued" her in
Waco nine years ago:
http://www.public
action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/burial/page/b_lghtnstr.html
Why would the Army transfer the rescue of Army personnel over to
the FBI? Why weren't soldiers and Army medics rescuing other
soldiers?
FBI LOOKING FOR OSAMA'S FINGERPRINTS?
Shortly after the 9:40 a.m. event, it was announced that the
explosion and fire was caused by American Airlines Flight 77,
which had been commandeered by terrorists and purposely flown
into the Pentagon -- conveniently missing the offices of Rumsfeld
and the Joint Chiefs, of course. Putting out the fire and
rescuing the buried victims should have been the first order of
business. Surely the FBI did not need to take control over the
site to look for fingerprints on the fuselage or other "clues."
So why did the FBI have control of the site?
BLACK HAWK DOWN MEETS PENTAGON DOWN
We already know that when the 9-11 terror events were taking
place, Gen. Shelton was out of the country. Surely he was
informed by phone as the events were unfolding in the US. Surely
he was in a position to issue commands to the armed forces:
"Where are our people? Buried? The fire is still burning? What
the Sam Hill is going on? Put that fire out, pronto, you know
how to do it, and get our people out. Leave no man behind!" By
the time Rumsfeld gave his 6:42 press conference,
Leave-No-Man-Behind Shelton was by Rumsfeld's and White's side,
silent, when Rumsfeld told the world the FBI had "secured" the
war zone and was supervising the [non-] rescue. Remember,
Shelton was a former commander of Special Operations Command, the
"Black Hawk Down" people who performed so bravely in Mogadishu.
Of course Shelton knew about the Mogadishu rescue. The story
first appeared as a series written by Mark Bowden, and ran in the
Philadelphia Enquirer, in 1997. It was then published as a book.
Here is what Leave-No Man-Behind Shelton said to the author:
"Your account of the events in Mogadishu on October 3, 1993 is an
inspirational and evocative retelling of one of the most
significant military operations of the past 10 years. Though
there is heroism and professionalism aplenty, you also bring out
the errors and missed opportunities that contributed to the
unfortunate outcome of the mission. Both senior leaders and young
soldiers can learn much from this compelling story. . . . Black
Hawk Down will occupy an honored place in my personal library."
(http://www.nightstalkers.com/tfranger/blackhawkdown/review.html
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-shelton-bhd)
Note that Shelton does not commend Bowden for the accuracy of his
accounting or call Bowden's story "true to history."
You can rest assured Mr. Rescue Shelton and all the big poohbahs
at Rumsfeld's 9-11 press conference saw the movie, too. Eight
hundred top Pentagon officials and military brass attended its
Washington, DC premier. It's hard to imagine the Chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff missed that event. This from The Nation,
February 25, 2002:
"The military was so helpful in making 'Black Hawk Down' that it
deserves a production credit. After vetting the script, the
Pentagon sent to Morocco (the shooting site) two C-5 transports
carrying eight helicopters and more than 100 soldiers from the
same Ranger company that fought in the Somalia raid depicted in
the movie. US Army pilots flew the helicopters in the movie's
battle scenes, and two retired soldiers who fought in the raid
served as advisers to director Ridley Scott. And the Pentagon
has been pleased with the result. 'Powerful,' Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld called it after attending the Washington Premier
along with 800 other top officials and brass . . ." ("Black Hawk
Downer," by Michael Massing, The Nation, February 25, 2002, pg.
5.)
According to an article in Counterpunch (March 1, 2002), some
"Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man Behind)" actors were given Army
Ranger Orientation Training at Fort Benning. ("An Actor Speaks
Out -- What's Wrong With Black Hawk Down," Counterpunch, March 1, 2002.)
Then the director, Ridley Scott, rushed the film's release after
9-11 (the movie was released on January 18, 2002); Scott earned a
Pentagon commendation for doing so. ("Black Hawk Down," Worker's
World, January 31, 2002.)
But what happened on September 11 at the Pentagon is in direct
opposition to the heroism depicted in the movie. "Black Hawk
Down (Leave No Man Behind)" is obviously what we're supposed to
believe -- that the lives of the grunt soldiers are precious to
the commanders of the US military. But the observable truth, the
truth that can be documented, is just the opposite.
Shelton, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Zakheim and the National Military
Command Center treated the missing Pentagon personnel as dust
motes. "Black Hawk Down (Leave No Man Behind)" is obviously a
piece of embroidery. The Pentagon sham rescue is verifiable
fact.
FIRE USED AS EXCUSE TO STALL RESCUE
"Search and rescue operations are continuing, but they are
stymied by at least two fires on either side of the impact area.
Firefighters are directing hoses at the flames -- manifested by
great plumes of bitter smoke -- from the center courtyard of the
Pentagon." ("No Hope of survivors in Pentagon Attack," United
Press International, September 12, 2001.)
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-upi-09-12-2001
Notice this observation: "Search and rescue operations are
continuing, but they are stymied by at least two fires . . ." Of
course the fires "stymied" the rescue. So why didn't they use foam?
Two and three days after the crash, fire was still a problem at
the Pentagon.
FIRE USED TO EXPLAIN DEATHS
"The Pentagon said Wednesday no more survivors are expected to be
pulled from the tons of rubble and stubborn fires created by the
terrorist attack that collapsed a portion of the building.
"'The area of the Pentagon where the aircraft struck and burned
sustained catastrophic damage. Anyone who might have survived
the initial impact and collapse would not have survived the fire
that followed,' the Defense Department said in a written
statement." ("Officials say no more survivors expected to be
found at Pentagon; smoke lingers," Associated Press, April 12, 2001.)
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-ap-09-12-2001
FIRE, SHE KEEP ON BURNIN' . . .
So Rumsfeld and Company permitted water to be sprayed on a
petroleum fuel fire, allowed more of the building to become
involved in the fire, watched the upper floors collapse, ordered
emergency medical help off the scene and failed to order military
aviation firefighters to the scene. Now let's have a closer look
at the progress of the fire/media event.
On September 12, we get these reports:
"Fire fighters using water cannons continued to douse the charred
building from either side of the impact area." ("Officials say
no more survivors expected to be found at Pentagon; smoke
lingers," Associated Press, September 12, 2001,
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-ap 09-12-2001)
"Smoke from the blackened concrete structure drifted over
Washington and a stubborn roof fire continued to burn more than
24 hours after a high jacked fuel-laden airline slammed into a
corner of the five-sided building on Tuesday morning."
("Pentagon Reopens, Death Toll Uncertain," Reuters, September 12,
2001; http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq reuters-09-12-2001)
"The damage to the Pentagon was extensive, compounded by smoke
and water damage from tenacious fires that burned for a day and a
half after the attack." ("Pentagon Toll at 190," New York Times,
Sept. 14, 2001,
http://www.ocregister.com/breakingnews/attack/09142001/14nypentacci.shtml)
cached at:
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-nyt-09-14-2001)
"Late Thursday, rescuers worked to shore up unsteady parts of the
building but flames erupted. The flare-up sent black smoke
billowing hundreds of feet into the air over Washington."
("Flight Data, Cockpit Voice Recorders Found in Pentagon
Wreckage," FoxNews, September 14, 2001,
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-foxnews-09-14-2001)
Late Thursday, and flames were still erupting -- that is almost
60 hours after impact, folks. How many building fires you've
ever heard of last 60 hours?
MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER USED
So much water had been poured into the building, the Pentagon
later hired Munters Moisture Control Services to help get rid of it.
"'Millions of gallons of water flowed throughout the building
after the attack,' said Joe Kelley, Munters district manager in
the Washington DC area. In some places water was 18 inches deep
on the floors."
http://www.muntersamerica.com/mcs/htm/pentagon/pentagon.htm
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/rescue/obq-munters
Part 2 to follow. Or go to http://public-action.com
H Pylori
"Slade Farney" <sfar...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3D227347...@erols.com...
> Here's Part 1 of Carol's essay, again:
So, let's see .... your retort is to re-post a 49kb fecal bolus?
Very convincing. Maybe a flower border and some cute little animals in the
margins would help.
Keith Willshaw
> >
> > "Slade Farney" <sfa...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > news:3D2115C9...@bigfoot.com...
> > >
> > > Why -- against all fire fighting technology and regulation --
> > > why did they spray the aviation fuel fire at the Pentagon with water?
> > >
> >
> > Because the alternative was to let it burn and
>
> Keith, you are misinformed. For many decades, firefighters have
> used FOAMS on petroleum fires because they are _Class B fires_.
> http://www.hanford.gov/fire/safety/extingrs.htm
>
> Every airport is required to keep foam spraying equipment for
> quenching fuel fires. Read Part 1 of Carol Valentine's essay
> (below) -- you'll find a dozen official sources telling you about
> foam. Or go to her web page at http://public-action.com/rescue.html
>
The pentagon is NOT an airport you moron
> > the aviation fuelburned out within minutes,
>
> Wrong again. According to news reports, "pools of jet fuel" were
> still catching fire for quite some time. You have obviously never
> seen or fought a kerosene fire, and maybe you don't know that jet
> fuel is refined kerosene, not gasoline. It burns for a LONG time.
>
I've fought several refinery fires, with WATER
> > after that
> > the fire was fuelled by the 30kg per sq m of fuel
> > that any office contains (furniture, paper wood etc)
>
> Are you going for 3 outs in three pitches? Just read the text,
> check out the sources, catch up on your facts, and get back to
> me when you've drawn a deep breath or two. You're in deep denial,
> and it's given you the babbles.
>
Pot Kettle Black
Keith
Keith Willshaw
"H Pylori" <ppgo...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:aftsr6$ilm$0...@pita.alt.net...
Neither of them have the faintest clue about fires.
The use of foam in aviation accidents is soundly based
on the premise that you dont want to disperse pools
of burning liquid.
When you crash an aircraft into a building at several hundred
mph there's not much you can do to disperse the stuff
any further.
Worse building fires dont behave as shown in Hollywood
The heat causes the flammable contents to decompose forming
a hot gas that fills the room and then catches fire, the aptly
named flashover. For such a fire foam is of limited use, you
need to get water ,preferably in the form of a mist or fine spray
in there fast. It drops the temperature dramatically not only
putting out the fire but preventing building collapse and allowing
survivors to escape.
Even in aircraft fires water spray is recommended for aircraft
interiors while foam is used on the skin.
http://www.faa.gov/aar/trdfs/fire_safety/fire_saf.pdf
Keith
Slade Farney
>
> "H Pylori" <ppgo...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> news:aftsr6$ilm$0...@pita.alt.net...
> >
> > "Slade Farney" <sfar...@erols.com> wrote in message
> > news:3D227347...@erols.com...
> >
> > > Here's Part 1 of Carol's essay, again:
> >
> > So, let's see .... your retort is to re-post a 49kb fecal bolus?
And your retort is to refuse to read it. Maybe if you squinch up your
eyes real hard, it will go away?
> > Very convincing. Maybe a flower border and some cute little
> > animals in the margins would help.
> >
>
> Neither of them have the faintest clue about fires.
>
> The use of foam in aviation accidents is soundly based
> on the premise that you dont want to disperse pools
> of burning liquid.
>
> When you crash an aircraft into a building at several hundred
> mph there's not much you can do to disperse the stuff
> any further.
Spoken from pure guess and ignorance of events. The news reports said
"pools" of fuel were continuing to ingite. Where was the foam when they
should have used it?
> Worse building fires dont behave as shown in Hollywood
Nothing else does, why should fires? Why even mention it?
> The heat causes the flammable contents to decompose forming
> a hot gas that fills the room and then catches fire, the aptly
> named flashover. For such a fire foam is of limited use, you
> need to get water ,preferably in the form of a mist or fine spray
> in there fast. It drops the temperature dramatically not only
> putting out the fire but preventing building collapse and allowing
> survivors to escape.
That was so rich, let me repeat it:
> For such a fire foam is of limited use, you
> need to get water ,preferably in the form of a mist or fine spray
> in there fast.
Strike One: They did not use "fine spray" -- they used torrents,
millions of gallons of heavy streams. Again, you did not read.
> It drops the temperature dramatically not only
> putting out the fire
Strike Two: The fire lasted for more than 60 hours; it was still
burning "late" Thursday. That is a little short of "dramatic"
firefighting.
> but preventing building collapse
Strike Three: The building DID collapse and continued to collapse. But
preventing collapse was not their purpose. They used a wrecking ball to
collapse the building when the fire did not finish the job.
> and allowing survivors to escape.
Strike Four: After the first hour, there were NO survivors. That was
also purposeful, as witnessed by the civlian EMT crews who were chased
away when they tried to help save the victims.
Stop swinging wildly at anything that moves, and just read it, Keith.
It is as heavily documented as anything you could hope find on the
subject. http://www.public-action.com/rescue.html
You'll be glad you did.
--Slade
There will be no Peace on Earth
until all the oil in Arabia
belongs to Israel
Scott @ Sandy
I couldn't of said it better myself
> "pools" of fuel were continuing to ingite. Where was the foam when they
> should have used it?
But THEY DID use foam.
http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExclusive/Exclusive_11_01_01/exclusive
_11.01.01.asp
"We applied the foam tactfully..."
"The ARFF foam units knocked down the bulk of the fire in the first seven
minutes after there arrival.
Or here.
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316.html
In the future, please tell Carol to research her articles before posting
them. Have you ever read her garbage before??
And just to completely end the debate....here are dozens more links
http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/identification.html
http://www.hoaxbuster.com/hliste/02_02/pentagon.html
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html
http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/
Now will you 1. Admit you were wrong.
2. Admit you don't have a clue of what your talking about.
3. Admit Carol is a poor researcher.
I will await a personal retraction from yourself and Carol.
Thanks Scott
tim gueguen
"Scott @ Sandy" <snss...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:B9493A3E.BEF0%snss...@pacbell.net...
tim gueguen 101867
Slade Farney
>
> "Spoken from pure guess and ignorance of events. The news
> reports said"
>
> I couldn't of said it better myself
>
> > foam when they should have used it?
>
> But THEY DID use foam.
> http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExclusive/Exclusive_11_01_01/exclusive
> _11.01.01.asp
> "We applied the foam tactfully..." "The ARFF foam units
> knocked down the bulk of the fire in the first seven minutes
> after there arrival.
Well, my stars and garters, man! Let me quote some more from
that page:
"When a hijacked Boeing 757, skimming the street lights, smashed
into the Pentagon on September 11, firefighters at nearby Reagan
National Airport were the right responders in the right place
with the right equipment."
So Carol was right all along! Carol wrote: "... foam is THE tool
of choice because it puts out liquid fuel fires efficiently."
(http://www.public-action.com/rescue.html)
But your folks had all kinds of objections when Carol wrote that:
From "Keith Willshaw" <keith_w...@no-spam.compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:51:30 +0100
-->Slade Farney" <sfa...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
-->> Why -- against all fire fighting technology and regulation
-->> -- why did they spray the aviation fuel fire at the
-->> Pentagon with water?
-->
-->Because the alternative was to let it burn and
-->the aviation fuelburned out within minutes,
Wrong again, Keith.
How about this blast from the past:
From: "Keith Willshaw" <keith_w...@no-spam.compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:33:25 +0100
-->Neither of them have the faintest clue about fires.
-->
-->The use of foam in aviation accidents is soundly based
-->on the premise that you dont want to disperse pools
-->of burning liquid.
-->
-->When you crash an aircraft into a building at several
-->hundred mph there's not much you can do to disperse the
-->stuff any further.
-->
-->Worse building fires dont behave as shown in Hollywood
Gosh, Keith. All wrong AGAIN!
OK. So the best thing to fight aviation fuel fires is foam.
Now the question is, DID they use foam to fight the Pentagon
fire?
Your reference states that:
a) The Reagan National Airport Fire crew responded to a car accident
b) On a whim the shift foreman went with the crew, and decided to
take Rescue Truck 335 (Don't ask how they would handle an
airport emergency while out attending to car accidents. You
don't want to know.)
c) The Foreman heard the Pentagon crash, so abandoning the first
emergency (!), he laoded up 335 and his van and headed off to
the Pentagon, calling out Foam Unit 331 and casualty unit 329.
(That's 4 (four) trucks in all, folks.)
d) Reagan National's Foam Truck 345 came later when the first
foam truck ran low on foam.
There is far more detail in that article, but the above is enough
for our purposes.
Now catch this quote from the Army Military District of
Washington web page:
"Fire truck 345 from Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority
Fire Department throws a stream of water into the collapsed point
of impact as smoke billows from the Pentagon shortly after an
airplane slammed into the west side of the building."
(http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/firetruck.html)
Sure enough, that's water, not foam they are spraying on the fire.
Even better, the American Forces Press Service report doesn't even
mention the 4 trucks from Ronald Reagan National. Not even a word:
"Outside, the Arlington County police and fire departments arrived
and started securing the area and pumping water on the
blaze. Doctors, nurses and emergency medical technicians who
happened to be driving by stopped and started setting up triage
areas for those wounded in the attack. More equipment arrived
from the City of Alexandria, Fairfax County, Washington and the
Maryland counties."
(http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10112001_200110113.html)
Now that is one stealth firefighting outfit. Didn't even leave
their business cards.
Sure makes a person wonder. It surely do.
Scott @ Sandy
foam and fire trucks?
Like this one
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316.html
You have many links/ pictures to look at.
Now could you explain to me why you think its a stealth fire fighting outfit
when there are many many pictures and articles discussing the foam and
showing the foam in use.
http://www.arffwg.org/arffwgnews/firstarticle/novdec2001.htm (Same article)
http://www.patriotresource.com/wtc/federal/0912/DoD.html
http://www.sun-weekly.com/stories/VAL115.html
http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExclusive/Exclusive_11_01_01/OE_11_01_
Photo_6/oe_11_01_photo_6.asp
http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExclusive/Exclusive_11_01_01/OE_11_01_
Photo_5/oe_11_01_photo_5.asp
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/5.jpg
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/4.jpg
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/6.jpg
Would you like more?
The problem is you just picked a small subhead and a short article to draw
your conclusion from instead of researching the article.
I know you must feel rather dumb, but if you start admitting your many
mistakes it might help. Otherwise I'm just going to make you and Carol look
dumber.
in article 3D251880...@erols.com, Slade Farney at sfar...@erols.com
wrote on 7/5/02 3:54 AM:
Slade Farney
>
> So did you even look at the many links I gave you with photos upon photos of
> foam and fire trucks?
> Like this one
> http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316.html
First thing, Scott, you need to come up to speed on source
documentation. Was Geoff Metcalf, talk show host, present at the
Pentagon during all this ruckus? No, he wasn't. Then where does he get
his information?
He doesn't say. Where did he get his pictures? He doesn't say. Who
wrote his captions using what information? When was his web page
assembled? He doesn't say.
In essence, Scott, Geoff Megcalf's page is useless. No scholar or judge
would accept pictures without pedigree (Who took them? When? Did anyone
else pack your bags? etc.) And you shouldn't either. Even your local
25 cent newspaper tells you where their pictures came from -- they got
more integrity than Geoff Metcalf.
So why does Metcalf strip all the important information off his
pictures? He doesn't say.
Secondly, I can tell you for sure that Geoff Metcalf (alias the infamous
Worldnet Daily) didn't have a Pentagon page until very, very recently.
How do I know? I have friends who follow that site, and one who
squirreled away a recent copy of all 2856 pages. And the whole pentagon
directory just wasn't there.
> You have many links/ pictures to look at.
When the Department of Defense says the Airport truck sprayed water on
the fire, and I can see water spray in the picture, what more do you
want? You think Geoff Metcalf has a better handle on the Pentagon
Rescue than the DoD?
> Now could you explain to me why you think its a stealth fire fighting outfit
> when there are many many pictures and articles discussing the foam and
> showing the foam in use.
>
> http://www.arffwg.org/arffwgnews/firstarticle/novdec2001.htm (Same article)
> http://www.patriotresource.com/wtc/federal/0912/DoD.html
Look, you don't have to go to those soup kitchens to get this stuff --
you should go to the source. That text comes from
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/t09122001_t0912asd.html
"We have had the fuel from the jet catch fire again, and we're now in
there with some additional hand-lines and some foam-lines, with aircraft
fire-fighters inside of the insides of the Pentagon trying to suppress
it, this time with fire-fighting foam."
What a quote. Sounds as though they are using foam for the FIRST time.
("this time with fire-fighting foam.") All DoD sources confirm that
water, not foam, was used on the first day. All DoD sources conrifm
that absolutely no military aviation firefighting units showed up from
nearby Bolling, andrews, or Quantico bases to put out the fire or rescue
the victims.
> http://www.sun-weekly.com/stories/VAL115.html
What the heck is that? Again, no track, no record, no standing. Just
somebody snitching a copy of the NFPA Journal article.
> http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExclusive/Exclusive_11_01_01/OE_11_01_
> Photo_6/oe_11_01_photo_6.asp
> http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExclusive/Exclusive_11_01_01/OE_11_01_
> Photo_5/oe_11_01_photo_5.asp
> http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/5.jpg
> http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/4.jpg
> http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/6.jpg
>
> Would you like more?
Not more, just better.
And listen: why didn't the military show up with super equipment,
helicopters, cranes, and foam sprayers? According to the NFPA Journal,
the foam truck from Reagan National showed up on the first day by
accident, NOT because it was called in by the DoD. According to every
source, the DoD never called in the military fire fighters with military
foam jobbees.
Why did they make civilians work 12 hour shifts when there were tens of
thousands of soldiers, airmen, commandos, etc. sitting around watching
TeeVee in their barracks? why did they chase away the MediVac crews and
tell them not to come back?
> The problem is you just picked a small subhead and a short article to draw
> your conclusion from instead of researching the article.
Nope. There's another indication that you haven't read Carol's
piece. That thing is chock full of references and sources.
The real problem is that
a) people were dying under the rubble, and
b) the rescue operation was a moon-walking sham, at least from the
military standpoint.
c) the military didn't show up to rescue their own
Those who did not stagger out in the first hour -- died. Some got the
"rescued" by the wrecking ball, no doubt. Damnedest piece of rescue
equipment anyone ever heard of. Never used before. Must have been
experimental. But those military people are tough. Even the wounded
ones. Never saw a US Army man yet who couldn't take a little wrecking
ball in the gut.
But everyone missing -- eventually showed up dead. Right to the count:
125
> I know you must feel rather dumb,
Not at all. You haven't even begun to address the major issues in
Carol's piece. And that is hardly surprising because you probably have
not read it. I think it's still there though, if you want to give it
another try: http://public-action.com/rescue.html
> but if you start admitting your many
> mistakes it might help.
Here's a quote from Rumsfeld on September 12 you all can chew on:
"Our gratitude is also all but indescribable for the firefighters and
the police and the personnel from so many local, county, and state, as
well as federal agencies who have assisted us. Their work and commitment
have been an inspiration to me and to us all."
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/t09122001_t912sdmg.html
Isn't that great? How is this joker ever going to fight a real war? He
supposedly has all the personnel, equipment, facilities, and supplies to
handle everything that happened at the Pentagon on September 11, and
they were all at his fingertips in the Wash. DC area. But him and his
army just sat back and let the civilians do it all, while soldiers died
under the rubble.
That is an ugly shame that America is just waking up to, and it doesn't
matter how much you wiggle and squirm, it ain't pretty.
> Otherwise I'm just going to make you and Carol look
> dumber.
Fire away, genius.
-- Slade
There will be no Peace on Earth
until all the oil in Arabia
belongs to Israel
Scott @ Sandy
wrote on 7/6/02 5:19 AM:
> "Scott @ Sandy" wrote:
>>
>> So did you even look at the many links I gave you with photos upon photos of
>> foam and fire trucks?
>> Like this one
>> http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316.html
>
> First thing, Scott, you need to come up to speed on source
> documentation. Was Geoff Metcalf, talk show host, present at the
> Pentagon during all this ruckus? No, he wasn't. Then where does he get
> his information?
> He doesn't say. Where did he get his pictures? He doesn't say. Who
> wrote his captions using what information? When was his web page
> assembled? He doesn't say.
>
> In essence, Scott, Geoff Megcalf's page is useless. No scholar or judge
> would accept pictures without pedigree (Who took them? When? Did anyone
> else pack your bags? etc.) And you shouldn't either. Even your local
> 25 cent newspaper tells you where their pictures came from -- they got
> more integrity than Geoff Metcalf.
>
> So why does Metcalf strip all the important information off his
> pictures? He doesn't say.
>
> Secondly, I can tell you for sure that Geoff Metcalf (alias the infamous
> Worldnet Daily) didn't have a Pentagon page until very, very recently.
> How do I know? I have friends who follow that site, and one who
> squirreled away a recent copy of all 2856 pages. And the whole pentagon
> directory just wasn't there.
>
Grasping at straws Slade is now looking like the complete idiot.
He has decided to again ignore all photos and articles from many websites
included the first page. Come on, did you even look at the pictures in the
first link??? I told you I'd make you look dumber. I've had these pages
marked for weeks.
These many pictures support my evidence yet, since Slade cannot track down
who took the photos from Metcalf he has come to the conclusion that they
must be fake. By the way the photos are also here
http://www.thepowerhour.com/fitzweb/Pentagon-Attack.htm
You also forgot about this picture
http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExclusive/Exclusive_11_01_01/OE_11_01_
Photo_6/oe_11_01_photo_6.asp
Photo by Assistant Fire Marshal Charles Burroughs, MWAA
And to really end the debate there are more photos of foam here with photo
credits and sources.
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html
I warned you to read my links. Now you look even DUMBER! If only you had
just looked the first time.
This should 100% end the debate. Please admit you were wrong again!
>> You have many links/ pictures to look at.
>
> When the Department of Defense says the Airport truck sprayed water on
> the fire, and I can see water spray in the picture, what more do you
> want? You think Geoff Metcalf has a better handle on the Pentagon
> Rescue than the DoD?
>
Of course Slade continues to ignore the MASSIVE amount of evidence with
pictures and articles.
Ok now Slade wants to ONLY get information from the DoD so lets look at the
dod imagery server.
http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/
Then look here
http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/LBOX/full/356243.jpg
Linked from again here
http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html
Wow, gee its foam!! And its from the DoD, isn't that amazing.
And it even has credits. Photo by Jason Ingersoll, U.S. Marine Corps
So what more do you want. LOL
You might want to change your name in shame after that one.
>> Now could you explain to me why you think its a stealth fire fighting outfit
>> when there are many many pictures and articles discussing the foam and
>> showing the foam in use.
>>
>> http://www.arffwg.org/arffwgnews/firstarticle/novdec2001.htm (Same article)
>> http://www.patriotresource.com/wtc/federal/0912/DoD.html
>
> Look, you don't have to go to those soup kitchens to get this stuff --
> you should go to the source. That text comes from
> http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/t09122001_t0912asd.html
>
> "We have had the fuel from the jet catch fire again, and we're now in
> there with some additional hand-lines and some foam-lines, with aircraft
> fire-fighters inside of the insides of the Pentagon trying to suppress
> it, this time with fire-fighting foam."
>
> What a quote. Sounds as though they are using foam for the FIRST time.
> ("this time with fire-fighting foam.") All DoD sources confirm that
> water, not foam, was used on the first day. All DoD sources conrifm
> that absolutely no military aviation firefighting units showed up from
> nearby Bolling, andrews, or Quantico bases to put out the fire or rescue
> the victims.
>
Again Slade makes big assumptions. Makes up facts.
Nowhere does it say that no foam was used on first day.
Again Slade tries to hide from the many photos/links.
>> http://www.sun-weekly.com/stories/VAL115.html
>
> What the heck is that? Again, no track, no record, no standing. Just
> somebody snitching a copy of the NFPA Journal article.
>
What do you mean what the heck is that? What do you mean no track, no
record, no standing. It again proves you wrong. Are SCOTT McCAFFREY
and RYAN SELF lieing??
Lets read it.
Foam Unit 331 from the airport was the first arriving foam unit on the
scene, and began to extinguish the blaze from what had been American
Airlines Flight 77. They were able to extinguish the bulk of the aviation
fuel at the impact area, and used hand lines to extinguish spot fires and
burning vehicles adjacent to the Pentagon.
Soon after arriving, ³Capt. Delfina recognized that the building was showing
signs of collapse,² said MWAA Fire Chief Donny Cherry. ³He immediately
notified the incident commander, who used this and other information
collected to give the order to evacuate the building.²
>> http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExclusive/Exclusive_11_01_01/OE_11_01_
>> Photo_6/oe_11_01_photo_6.asp
>> http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExclusive/Exclusive_11_01_01/OE_11_01_
>> Photo_5/oe_11_01_photo_5.asp
>> http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/5.jpg
>> http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/4.jpg
>> http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/6.jpg
>>
>> Would you like more?
>
> Not more, just better.
>
What do you mean better, are ALL these photos faked????
But I can give you EVEN MORE!!
> And listen: why didn't the military show up with super equipment,
> helicopters, cranes, and foam sprayers? According to the NFPA Journal,
> the foam truck from Reagan National showed up on the first day by
> accident, NOT because it was called in by the DoD. According to every
> source, the DoD never called in the military fire fighters with military
> foam jobbees.
>
> Why did they make civilians work 12 hour shifts when there were tens of
> thousands of soldiers, airmen, commandos, etc. sitting around watching
> TeeVee in their barracks? why did they chase away the MediVac crews and
> tell them not to come back?
>
>> The problem is you just picked a small subhead and a short article to draw
>> your conclusion from instead of researching the article.
>
> Nope. There's another indication that you haven't read Carol's
> piece. That thing is chock full of references and sources.
> The real problem is that
>
Again if you noticed your entire theory is now 100% down the tubes. You only
had two articles supporting your terrible "foam" theory.
> a) people were dying under the rubble, and
> b) the rescue operation was a moon-walking sham, at least from the
> military standpoint.
> c) the military didn't show up to rescue their own
>
Again you still haven't read all of my sources from the first link have
you??
> Those who did not stagger out in the first hour -- died. Some got the
> "rescued" by the wrecking ball, no doubt. Damnedest piece of rescue
> equipment anyone ever heard of. Never used before. Must have been
> experimental. But those military people are tough. Even the wounded
> ones. Never saw a US Army man yet who couldn't take a little wrecking
> ball in the gut.
>
Source please for the wrecking ball deaths please?
> But everyone missing -- eventually showed up dead. Right to the count:
> 125
>
>> I know you must feel rather dumb,
>
> Not at all. You haven't even begun to address the major issues in
> Carol's piece. And that is hardly surprising because you probably have
> not read it. I think it's still there though, if you want to give it
> another try: http://public-action.com/rescue.html
>
Major issues, you mean like foam. LOL Did you even read my other links. If
you had read my links in the first place you wouldn't be stating this.
This makes you look even more like a fool.
>> but if you start admitting your many
>> mistakes it might help.
>
> Here's a quote from Rumsfeld on September 12 you all can chew on:
>
> "Our gratitude is also all but indescribable for the firefighters and
> the police and the personnel from so many local, county, and state, as
> well as federal agencies who have assisted us. Their work and commitment
> have been an inspiration to me and to us all."
> http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/t09122001_t912sdmg.html
>
> Isn't that great? How is this joker ever going to fight a real war? He
> supposedly has all the personnel, equipment, facilities, and supplies to
> handle everything that happened at the Pentagon on September 11, and
> they were all at his fingertips in the Wash. DC area. But him and his
> army just sat back and let the civilians do it all, while soldiers died
> under the rubble.
>
> That is an ugly shame that America is just waking up to, and it doesn't
> matter how much you wiggle and squirm, it ain't pretty.
>
Again you didn't read my links did you.
>> Otherwise I'm just going to make you and Carol look
>> dumber.
>
> Fire away, genius.
>
I already have.
Would you like EVEN MORE links. LOL
I've ended the debate 100%. You have been proven wrong EVERYTIME.
PS. You might want to think about changing your name now. People are going
to start laughing whenever they see you or Carol come back again.
So who's next. I've finished you off really easy.
And where's that retraction??