(Korean War) Any black F-86 pilots?
David E. Powell
squadron. Were there any African-Americans that flew Sabrejets (Or F-80/F-84
jets) in combat? I'm guessing that some might have flown F-52 Mustangs....
DEP
Paul Peterson
white South Africans.
Say Black, Colored, or Negro. The hyphenated
American is not needed. You use a hyphen when
you say something like:
"He was an African-American in Swaziland"
But
"He emigrated from Swaziland, and is now an
African-American"
is wrong.
He is an "American" now, after immigration.
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University of Illinois, Chicago
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"I want to be a Penis-American"--Lenny Bruce
"David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote
Bob
General Daniel "Chappie" James, Jr.
"In September 1949, General James went to the Philippines as flight
leader for the 12th Fighter-Bomber Squadron, 18th Fighter Wing, at
Clark Field. In July 1950 he left for Korea, where he flew 101 combat
missions in F-51 and F-80 aircraft."
Paul Peterson
>
> General Daniel "Chappie" James, Jr.
>
> "In September 1949, General James went to the Philippines as flight
> leader for the 12th Fighter-Bomber Squadron, 18th Fighter Wing, at
> Clark Field. In July 1950 he left for Korea, where he flew 101 combat
> missions in F-51 and F-80 aircraft."
If you would have called him an African-American, he would have
struck a match on your head to light his cigar.
I have an autographed picture of him sitting in an F-4 on my wall.
How they got his massive body to fit into the jet is scientific marvel.
He was at the Recreation Club arm-wrestling each of the Junior
ROTC kids (no one won of course).
ARoss10661
period. Get over the race issue and move on!
tim gueguen
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> Wouldn't the very nature of the question be racist?
No.
>Americans are Americans
> period.
The Korean War was only a few short years after Truman desegregated the US
military, so the question is a valid one.
tim gueguen 101867
Bill Silvey
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Hmm, perhaps they sent him to St. Louis and had the Phantom constructed
around him :-)
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Guy Alcala
I know of at least one. According to a note referring to him in Douglas K.
Evans' memoir on his time in the 4th ("Sabre Jets over Korea: A Firsthand
Account"), "Dayton Ragland was the first -- and for quite awhile the only --
black fighter pilot in the 4th Fighter Group. He was among us, just what he
wanted to be -- one of the guys. He was captured and went through the terrible
Korea P.O.W. experience. I finally saw him years later and we fought the war
over again. Some time after that reunion, I read his name among the missing in
the Vietnam War."
Ed Rasimus could probably tell you if he came back or not.
Guy
Drewe Manton
Americans
> period. Get over the race issue and move on!
Why would the question be racist? In spite of desegregation it's still a
pertinent social issue of the time period in question. I see no racism angle
in the question.
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Drewe
"Better the pride that resides
in a citizen of the world
than the pride that divides
when a colourful rag is unfurled"
Yeff
> The term African-American can also be applied to
> white South Africans.
>
> Say Black,
Okay, that's what I prefer.
> Colored,
If I'm colored does that mean you're clear?
Don't say this one.
> or Negro.
Now that could get you a boot to the head.
It has connotations of a time when we had
separate bathrooms, separate water fountains
and separate, well, everything. Don't say
this one either.
-Jeff B. ("Say it loud, I'm black and I'm proud!"
yeff at erols dot com
With many thanks to James Brown.
Andrew Chaplin
>
> The term African-American can also be applied to
> white South Africans.
>
> Say Black, Colored, or Negro. The hyphenated
> American is not needed. You use a hyphen when
> you say something like:
>
> "He was an African-American in Swaziland"
>
> But
>
> "He emigrated from Swaziland, and is now an
> African-American"
>
> is wrong.
>
> He is an "American" now, after immigration.
No, he'd be a Euro-African who is now a naturalized as a U.S. citizen.
Without having being born in the Americas, one can never be American.
Some of those terms you suggest will get your lights punched out.
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Dweezil Dwarftosser
>
> Paul Peterson wrote:
> >
> > "He emigrated from Swaziland, and is now an
> > African-American"
> >
> > is wrong.
> >
> > He is an "American" now, after immigration.
>
> No, he'd be a Euro-African who is now a naturalized as a U.S. citizen.
> Without having being born in the Americas, one can never be American.
Is your reading comprehension just bad, or
are you really that stupid?
- John T. (Irish) American; son of an American born in
Ireland, father of two Americans born in Germany.
> Some of those terms you suggest will get your lights punched out.
Only by idiots ignorant of their meaning.
- John T.
SAFJET
>Evans' memoir on his time in the 4th ("Sabre Jets over Korea: A Firsthand
>Account"), "Dayton Ragland was the first -- and for quite awhile the only --
>black fighter pilot in the 4th Fighter Group. He was among us, just what he
>wanted to be -- one of the guys. He was captured and went through the
>terrible
>Korea P.O.W. experience. I finally saw him years later and we fought the
>war
>over again. Some time after that reunion, I read his name among the missing
>in
>the Vietnam War."
http://www.pownetwork.org/bios/r/r002.htm
Andrew Chaplin
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> Is your reading comprehension just bad, or
> are you really that stupid?
No, I'm that particular -- pedantic, if you insist. I'm a Canadian and I
admit my view is unconventional in Canada, since most people born here go
about denying their American-ness, but they do not have a historical
perspective on the issue, while I have done some research on it. My position
is that governments in the Americas cannot confer "American"-ness on any
immigrant, they can only naturalize citizens. If you speak either French or
Spanish, you will note that the matter does not arise, since they have terms
such as "étasunien" and "estadunidense" to describe people from the U.S.
I view "American and "African as expressions of one's natal origin in the
context of which we write here. Also, "American" is not a term reserved
exclusively for citizens of the U.S., native-born or otherwise, or to which
they have exclusive right. Canadians are Americans and, until the term came
to connote almost exclusively people from the U.S. during the Great War,
also used it to describe themselves (q.v. Sir Robert Laird Borden,
_Memoirs_, Vol. II, p. 638, IIRC).
David Lentz
The idea that President Harry Truman integrated the United States
military by executive order is a myth. That is a combination of
both fact and fiction. Oh, Truman issued the executive order all
right, but its practical effect was limited. Units of the Navy
and Air Force had intergrated prior to the order. While, units
of the Army and Marine Corps where not integrated until after the
war. circa 1954.
A postscript, I believe the last segregated US military unit was
the 101st Airborne, segregated by presidential order in I believe
1962.
David
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Dave Holford
Of course they are. Just like Africans are Africans, Europeans are
Europeans, Asians are Asians etc.
David E. Powell
Americans
> period. Get over the race issue and move on!
Well,. it was the early 1950s.. times were different. After hearing about
the F4U pilot I had wondered if any blacks had flown the Sabre, on the Air
Force side of things. I was wondering about progress at the time since WW2,
etc. in integrating the services.
DEP
David E. Powell
DEP
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>
>No, he'd be a Euro-African who is now a naturalized as a U.S. citizen.
>Without having being born in the Americas, one can never be American.
This would have come as a great surprise to my father, who was born in
the County Cork and who all his adult life called himself an
Irish-American.
I don't know about Canada and such, but everyone naturalized as a U.S.
citizen is very much an American.
Then there was Alice Goodrich, who when a youngster went bad was wont
to say: "They ain't from around here." This meant that the kid's
parents were born 50 miles to the south of Wolfeboro, New Hampshire.
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