F-15 outer pylons
Bob Martin
1500lb). To my knowledge, they have never been used. I've seen references in a book (I
think by Mike Spick) and one or two other places as to it being used for ECM pods, but
nothing definitive. Anyone have some insight?
HOBIE
"Bob Martin" <rell...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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try this link it might give some answers
http://www.f-15estrikeeagle.com/navigation/index_intro.htm
dump...@hotmail.com
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f15_26.html
A proposed "wild weasel" F-15C was supposed to carry HARM's on it's
outer pylons.
But the USAF never went ahead with that version.
According to the discussion at:
http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/lofiversion/index.php?t78596.html
Using the outer pylons caused handling & wing cracking problems.
According to:
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/081103news.xml
The South Korean F-15K's:
"will be the first F-15s with 15 smart weapons stations--six more than
current operational F-15Es"
Not sure if that includes outer wing pylons though.
Hope that helps.
myl...@sbcglobal.net
early in the program. (I have pics somewhere) but they were found to
cause unacceptable levels of vibration and flutter so they were never
used there operationally.
Tony
George Ruch
>On Sep 25, 6:34 pm, Bob Martin <rellim...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The F-15 has provision for a set of outer pylons (I think with a load limit of 1000 or
>> 1500lb). [...] Anyone have some insight?
>
> F-15A #286 tested the ALQ-119 ECM pod on the outboard wing stations
>early in the program. (I have pics somewhere) but they were found to
>cause unacceptable levels of vibration and flutter so they were never
>used there operationally.
This must have been at either Edwards (during the test program)
or at Eglin (ECM range evaluation). I was stationed at Langley
'75 to '77 in the ECM shop maintaining ALQ-119-12s. The ALQ-119
was a stop-gap measure pending delivery of the ALQ-135 internal
ECM suite. IIRC, the 119 was only carried at the centerline
position (in place of the 600 gallon centerline tank), and it was
sometime in '76 before we had centerline pylons modified to
accept the pod's power and control wiring.
We also built up a one-time fit for A-10 test carriage. The
photo here
(http://www.largescaleplanes.com/articles/TerryAshley/A-10/a10.html)
is a fair representation. The 119 is on the far right pylon,
with its low-band transmitter, control section, and forward
antenna arrays supported only by the center ring clamp.
--
George Ruch
"Is there life in Clovis after Clovis Man?"
Dan
> myl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>> On Sep 25, 6:34 pm, Bob Martin <rellim...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> The F-15 has provision for a set of outer pylons (I think with a load limit of 1000 or
>>> 1500lb). [...] Anyone have some insight?
>> F-15A #286 tested the ALQ-119 ECM pod on the outboard wing stations
>> early in the program. (I have pics somewhere) but they were found to
>> cause unacceptable levels of vibration and flutter so they were never
>> used there operationally.
>
> This must have been at either Edwards (during the test program)
> or at Eglin (ECM range evaluation). I was stationed at Langley
> '75 to '77 in the ECM shop maintaining ALQ-119-12s. The ALQ-119
> was a stop-gap measure pending delivery of the ALQ-135 internal
> ECM suite. IIRC, the 119 was only carried at the centerline
> position (in place of the 600 gallon centerline tank), and it was
> sometime in '76 before we had centerline pylons modified to
> accept the pod's power and control wiring.
>
>
the F-15s being used as engine stands because so many engines weren't
serviceable. I was with the 135s.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
George Ruch
> I was at Langley AFB during that time frame. I got a kick out of all
>the F-15s being used as engine stands because so many engines weren't
>serviceable. I was with the 135s.
So _you're_ the guys in CRS who didn't go play war when we did.
The P&W F-100 was an advanced design for its time, and had more
than its share of teething problems. I didn't follow the engine
business all that closely, but I remember they gave the CIRF
engine shop at Kadena fits.
Major spares were in short supply across the board. Fr. ex.,
early on we had exactly 2 (count em' - 2) aircraft. I came into
work one afternoon and noticed they both had their canopies open,
and that there was a nice overcast building. Later than night,
we were scrambling to dry out some of the cockpit avionics (the
main comm control panel) because someone didn't check the weather
report or look out a window. Can we say damaged career, boys and
girls?
Dan
> Dan <B2...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I was at Langley AFB during that time frame. I got a kick out of all
>> the F-15s being used as engine stands because so many engines weren't
>> serviceable. I was with the 135s.
>
> So _you're_ the guys in CRS who didn't go play war when we did.
We played war more often than you did, but our wars lasted less than
a day. Scopelight was a royal pain, but we didn't play mobility games
and had our own chow hall.
Trust me, I made up for that when I got into special ops in 1980.
Between then and 1994 when I retired I went on more TDYs than I can count.
>
> The P&W F-100 was an advanced design for its time, and had more
> than its share of teething problems. I didn't follow the engine
> business all that closely, but I remember they gave the CIRF
> engine shop at Kadena fits.
Before F-15 arrived we were saturated with how great it was and it
was "designed with maintenance in mind." I recall one of the engine's
selling points was it could be disassembled in the field into 4 major
components and that would solve any field backlogs due to maintenance.
The first clue I had that they were lying is when the engine shop became
full.
I found it odd we weren't supposed to discuss the T-33, C-118, C-131
and T-29 were were sending to the bone yard, but there were bumper
stickers all over the place telling us "the eagle is coming."
>
> Major spares were in short supply across the board. Fr. ex.,
> early on we had exactly 2 (count em' - 2) aircraft. I came into
> work one afternoon and noticed they both had their canopies open,
> and that there was a nice overcast building. Later than night,
> we were scrambling to dry out some of the cockpit avionics (the
> main comm control panel) because someone didn't check the weather
> report or look out a window. Can we say damaged career, boys and
> girls?
Before we moved into the old C-130 flight sim building the F-15 side
of the house kept calling our swing shift avionics types to go work on
the F-15s because their people had gone home by 2000. We laughed at them
and told them F-15 avionics was a different AFS than conventional avionics.
George Ruch
>George Ruch wrote:
>> Dan <B2...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was at Langley AFB during that time frame. I got a kick out of all
>>> the F-15s being used as engine stands because so many engines weren't
>>> serviceable. I was with the 135s.
>>
>> So _you're_ the guys in CRS who didn't go play war when we did.
>
> We played war more often than you did, but our wars lasted less than
>a day. Scopelight was a royal pain, but we didn't play mobility games
>and had our own chow hall.
Must be nice. The incident cited above only happened once, at
the beginning of our first exercise. The call went out through
the dorm "Alert - F-15 people only!" I'm sure can imagine the
reactions.
> Trust me, I made up for that when I got into special ops in 1980.
>Between then and 1994 when I retired I went on more TDYs than I can count.
AFMPC giveth, AFMPC taketh away. They got even with me by
sending me from Kadena to Plattsburgh, NY. At least it was
mid-summer.
>> The P&W F-100 was an advanced design for its time, and had more
>> than its share of teething problems. [...]
>
> Before F-15 arrived we were saturated with how great it was and it
>was "designed with maintenance in mind." I recall one of the engine's
>selling points was it could be disassembled in the field into 4 major
>components and that would solve any field backlogs due to maintenance.
>The first clue I had that they were lying is when the engine shop became
>full.
Lovely bit of propaganda. 'If Microsoft built aircraft
engines...'
> I found it odd we weren't supposed to discuss the T-33, C-118, C-131
>and T-29 were were sending to the bone yard, but there were bumper
>stickers all over the place telling us "the eagle is coming."
Yeah, right. It's a state secret, and the Soviet recon
satellites couldn't see what was happening.
>> Major spares were in short supply across the board. Fr. ex.,
>> early on we had exactly 2 (count em' - 2) aircraft. [...]
>
> Before we moved into the old C-130 flight sim building the F-15 side
>of the house kept calling our swing shift avionics types to go work on
>the F-15s because their people had gone home by 2000. We laughed at them
>and told them F-15 avionics was a different AFS than conventional avionics.
Which speaks volumes about the quality of people assigned to Job
Control.
Dan
> Dan <B2...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> George Ruch wrote:
>>> Dan <B2...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was at Langley AFB during that time frame. I got a kick out of all
>>>> the F-15s being used as engine stands because so many engines weren't
>>>> serviceable. I was with the 135s.
>>> So _you're_ the guys in CRS who didn't go play war when we did.
>> We played war more often than you did, but our wars lasted less than
>> a day. Scopelight was a royal pain, but we didn't play mobility games
>> and had our own chow hall.
>
> Must be nice. The incident cited above only happened once, at
> the beginning of our first exercise. The call went out through
> the dorm "Alert - F-15 people only!" I'm sure can imagine the
> reactions.
I wouldn't know, I was living off base. What can I say? The dorms
didn't have remotes for the televisions.
>
>> Trust me, I made up for that when I got into special ops in 1980.
>> Between then and 1994 when I retired I went on more TDYs than I can count.
>
> AFMPC giveth, AFMPC taketh away. They got even with me by
> sending me from Kadena to Plattsburgh, NY. At least it was
> mid-summer.
Pease was a better TDY. Then again, I am from Massachusetts and
being able to go home daily for home cooking made that TDY one of the
rougher ones. You may now feel free to express your sympathy.
>
>>> The P&W F-100 was an advanced design for its time, and had more
>>> than its share of teething problems. [...]
>> Before F-15 arrived we were saturated with how great it was and it
>> was "designed with maintenance in mind." I recall one of the engine's
>> selling points was it could be disassembled in the field into 4 major
>> components and that would solve any field backlogs due to maintenance.
>> The first clue I had that they were lying is when the engine shop became
>> full.
>
> Lovely bit of propaganda. 'If Microsoft built aircraft
> engines...'
>
>> I found it odd we weren't supposed to discuss the T-33, C-118, C-131
>> and T-29 were were sending to the bone yard, but there were bumper
>> stickers all over the place telling us "the eagle is coming."
>
> Yeah, right. It's a state secret, and the Soviet recon
> satellites couldn't see what was happening.
When 316 MAW left the base rag had a front page article. Some kid got
himself in a jam for painting his VW Beetle like a C-130 and plastering
it with swiped decals. He had the tail MAC decals on his doors and "no
push," "no step," and others over other parts.
>
>>> Major spares were in short supply across the board. Fr. ex.,
>>> early on we had exactly 2 (count em' - 2) aircraft. [...]
>> Before we moved into the old C-130 flight sim building the F-15 side
>> of the house kept calling our swing shift avionics types to go work on
>> the F-15s because their people had gone home by 2000. We laughed at them
>> and told them F-15 avionics was a different AFS than conventional avionics.
>
> Which speaks volumes about the quality of people assigned to Job
> Control.
By that time JC had been renamed "Eagle."
What ever happened to the red tail F-15?
George Ruch
>George Ruch wrote:
>> Dan <B2...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> George Ruch wrote:
>>>> Dan <B2...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was at Langley AFB during that time frame. [...]
>>>> So _you're_ the guys in CRS who didn't go play war when we did.
>>> We played war more often than you did, but our wars lasted less than
>>> a day. [...]
>>
>> Must be nice. The incident cited above only happened once, [...]
>> "Alert - F-15 people only!" I'm sure can imagine the reactions.
>
> I wouldn't know, I was living off base.
At the mercy of VEPCO, owners and operators of the Commonwealth
of Virginia.
>What can I say? The dorms didn't have remotes for the televisions.
Remote controls? I'd have killed for a remote control! We had
to walk 5 miles across the dayroom in hurricane winds... Sorry.
MP flashback.
>>> Trust me, I made up for that when I got into special ops in 1980.
>>> Between then and 1994 when I retired I went on more TDYs than I can count.
>>
>> AFMPC giveth, AFMPC taketh away. [...]
>
> Pease was a better TDY. Then again, I am from Massachusetts and
>being able to go home daily for home cooking made that TDY one of the
>rougher ones. You may now feel free to express your sympathy.
(f/x: Bronx cheer)
> When 316 MAW left the base rag had a front page article. Some kid got
>himself in a jam for painting his VW Beetle like a C-130 and plastering
>it with swiped decals. He had the tail MAC decals on his doors and "no
>push," "no step," and others over other parts.
What? No points for creativity?
> What ever happened to the red tail F-15?
Don't know.
One persistent memory: CRS Avionics was in a refurbished hangar
just off the flight line. Handy for the line shops, but a bit
exposed for us. The whine of an F-100 at ground idle,
beautifully directed forward by the intake, was, well,
penetrating.