Allied Force bombing videos
BugfindeR
I would like to know if anybody of you have a clue where I
could find bombing videos taken from the aircrafts or
tomahawk missle cameras during the Bombings in Yugoslavia
(Operation "Allied Force").
Thanks in advance,
BugfindeR
* Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
Keith Willshaw
BugfindeR <shbakall...@gmx.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:03fab64c...@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com...
> Hi there,
> I would like to know if anybody of you have a clue where I
> could find bombing videos taken from the aircrafts or
> tomahawk missle cameras during the Bombings in Yugoslavia
> (Operation "Allied Force").
>
> Thanks in advance,
> BugfindeR
>
The bombing Videos are at
http://www.nato.int/kosovo/video.htm
I don't think many Tomahawks came back so there
wont be any video from them :)
Keith
David Bromage
> I would like to know if anybody of you have a clue where I
> could find bombing videos taken from the aircrafts or
> tomahawk missle cameras during the Bombings in Yugoslavia
> (Operation "Allied Force").
http://www.nato.int/kosovo/video.htm has a lot.
Cheers
David
Gordon
and impressive collection of bombing/strike/HUD video from the resent
unpleasantness over Serbia. Most of the video clips are 20-30 seconds long and
within the 1.5-3MB range. Tanks getting hit with Hellfires, bridges getting
dropped, even a MiG-29 getting clusterbombed back to the stone age. I don't
know if that is what you are asking for, but the .mpg clips are pretty well
presented.
v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR Aircrew
"Senso, got anything on your radar?"
"Nothing but my forehead, sir."
MegaShaft 4000
getting hit, and you can see the missile cooking off.
"David Bromage" <dbro...@fang.omni.com.au> wrote in message
news:pixC4.420$jb5.3...@news0.optus.net.au...
Marko37
model. I have some photos of creating those (codenamed M-18), I'll try to
post them as soon as I scan them (for viruses :)).
Among other videos you'll find one when a missile hits four-bladed
helicopter, which is odd since YA hs no such helicopters. Most of those
targets are models, unless it's something big (bridge, building,...).
Marko37
David Bromage
> In this video, http://www.nato.int/video/990519b.mpg , you can see an SA-6
> getting hit, and you can see the missile cooking off.
One of my favourites is the cluster bomb taking out a Mig-29 on the
ground.
Cheers
David
VJ
regards,
VJ
David Bromage <dbro...@fang.omni.com.au> wrote in message
news:a6VC4.721$OV2.4...@news0.optus.net.au...
> MegaShaft 4000
(kehfnwejkbv23o84hg0923jkcbv;23lui4hgv9p823gwueytf92836thflwhefop3i4y9p86yrs
iyhfa;odiyg;suifytgp98w6er[2164yo;wyhg;klwdugfilweutfcosdyfc;2weuiyr2p89346r
y4...@home.com) won a Nobel Prize for literature by writing:
David Bromage
> Mig-29 hit with a cluster bomb is not a real plane, but a real-size
> model.
There must have been a LOT of jet fuel stuffed into that model. Ditto the
Mig-21.
Cheers
David
MegaShaft 4000
again, and you will see
"VJ" <pres...@gov.yu> wrote in message
news:8bh8dh$dcl$1...@SOLAIR2.EUnet.yu...
TJ
The helicopter in the image is an Mi-4 'Hound' which was hit at Slatina.
Yugoslav military has operated the Mi-4 in the past.(There is one, serial
12013/013, on display outside the Yugoslav Aeronautical Museum, Belgrade
International Airport)
This was simply the case of an Mi-4 out of service airframe being used as a
decoy. Stick some fuel in tanks and you get the desired secondary explosion.
Similarly, retired early model MiG-21 airframes were placed on airfields as
decoy targets.
The Mi-4 has been wrongly identified on the NATO website as an Mi-8. It's
amazing what some individuals have tried to turn this simple destruction of
a decoy Mi-4 airframe into. On Venik's site he has tried to turn it into a
KLA (Albanian supplied Chinese built Z-5 version) helicopter that has just
landed/or about to take off (even with the claim that the rotors appeared to
be turning on a BBC version of the NATO video) and was destroyed by a
'trigger-happy NATO pilot'. Hmmm, the strange world of Venik!
TJ.
Marko37 <mar...@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu> wrote in message
news:QfRC4.8902$6S3.1...@tw11.nn.bcandid.com...
> Mig-29 hit with a cluster bomb is not a real plane, but a real-size
Abramovic
pointed out with the Mi-4 example.
Regards,
Tvrtko
MegaShaft 4000
Drewe Manton
TJ <tj1...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:ZE2D4.3993$Eq.7...@nnrp4.clara.net...
Hmmm, the strange world of Venik!
>
> TJ.
Hmmmmmm. . is *THAT* what we're calling it these days?<G>
Zoltan Pele
Bromage) wrote:
>Marko37 (mar...@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu) won a Nobel Prize for literature by writing:
>> Mig-29 hit with a cluster bomb is not a real plane, but a real-size
>> model.
>
>There must have been a LOT of jet fuel stuffed into that model. Ditto the
>Mig-21.
The day before yesterday the TV showed a close-up of that mock-up.
First, the outer looks is displayed, and then the cameraman goes
underneath. Unfortunatelly, I don't have a video card with line-in, so
I can't convert it to a mpeg...:(
Btw, are we talking about the same video? The one I saw (990519a.mpg)
is definitelly not a mig21, and IMHO, it is not a large explosion...
--
In every colour there's the light.
In every stone sleeps a crystal.
Remember the Shaman, when he used to say:
"Man is the dream of the dolphin".
<---------------------------------------------------->
Pelle Zoltán <gen...@cyberdude.NOSP.com>(Remove NOSP)
http://genesys.freehosting.net ICQ# : 8477892
<---------------------------------------------------->
VJ
charges as well.
By the way, that secondary explosion was a little bit 'tiny' so to speak,
for an aircraft, supposedly filled with fuel and ordnance (at least, all
those cannon shells would explode, no to say about R-27 and R-73 warheads),
because you don't think that Yugoslav military would leave an unarmed
MiG-29, sitting around on the runway, do you?
Abramovic <tvrtko.a...@zg.tel.hr> wrote in message
news:8bimes$6b7$1...@as102.tel.hr...
Mud Hen
us current pictures of all the real Mig-29's.
I, along with many others, would pay good money to see 10+ operational
Mig-29's at any YAF base.
Hell, I'd be mighty impressed to see a 4-ship...and pieces of 4 jets don't
count...write me when they all actually get airborne.
Cheers,
outsider
Keith Willshaw wrote:
>
>
> The bombing Videos are at
>
> http://www.nato.int/kosovo/video.htm
>
> I don't think many Tomahawks came back so there
> wont be any video from them :)
>
> Keith
The infamous bomb that hit took down the bridge with the train didn't
come back either, but the footage was saved, albeit at 3 times the
correct speed. Hehheeehehee!!!
On a serious note, real time transmission of data is of course possible
even from 'one way' ordinance. Whether any cameras were fitted to
Tomahowk I cannot comment.
outsider
Keith Willshaw
outsider <outs...@mailgetlost.com> wrote in message
news:38DDFEBC...@mailgetlost.com...
>
>
> The infamous bomb that hit took down the bridge with the train didn't
> come back either, but the footage was saved, albeit at 3 times the
> correct speed. Hehheeehehee!!!
>
That wasnt a Tomahawk and the Recorder was in an F-15E guiding
the weapon
> On a serious note, real time transmission of data is of course possible
> even from 'one way' ordinance. Whether any cameras were fitted to
> Tomahowk I cannot comment.
Radiating TV pictures from a Cruise missile sounds like
a BAD idea to me
Keith
outsider
Mud Hen wrote:
Can't offer any proof, pics, video, blah, blah, however, July last I was on
the Belgrade / Novi Sad highway which runs mighty close to Batajnica Airbase.
In just the short space of time that a Renault 4 can motor up the road I
spotted 3 AN-26s in the circuit, 2 MiG-21s depart and a pair of MiG-29s land.
On the way back I didn't see a thing, so maybe it was a special display for
some visiting bigwig.
Now lets be fair, the JU authorities have through semi-official sources owned
up to losing 6 MiG-29s, unofficial sources indicate at least one, possibly 2
more. It seems likely that after 8 years of sanctions the spares (especially
engine) situation had probably grounded 2 or 3. So all in all, JU can
probably muster 3 or 4 serviceable single seaters from the original 14.
outsider
outsider
Keith Willshaw wrote:
> > The infamous bomb that hit took down the bridge with the train didn't
> > come back either, but the footage was saved, albeit at 3 times the
> > correct speed. Hehheeehehee!!!
> >
>
> That wasnt a Tomahawk and the Recorder was in an F-15E guiding
> the weapon
I know.
> > On a serious note, real time transmission of data is of course possible
> > even from 'one way' ordinance. Whether any cameras were fitted to
> > Tomahowk I cannot comment.
>
> Radiating TV pictures from a Cruise missile sounds like
> a BAD idea to me
War seems a BAD idea to me but occasionally some bright politicians get
together and think it is a GOOD idea. :-)
And anyway what difference does it make if pictures are radiated from a
Tomahawk in the last 60+ seconds of its flight as opposed to another type of
bomb. Surely it would give BDA better information and if it is used for
targetting, a better chance of a 'hit'?
outsider
VJ
Hi! :-) Sorry for not replying yet, I'm experiencing some problems with my
regular mail, I promise I will get back to you in a matter of hrs :-)
As for MiG-29s and Mud Hen....well, I can offer sort of a proof..a couple of
photos and two videos taken after the war.
Photos are taken at the celebration of the 204th LAP anniversary, where two
MiG-29s can be seen through the fog, and the videos are showing a MiG-29
piloted by Cpt. Aleksandar Piposki at his first solo flight, and the second
(a part of the documentary 'For the free skies"), showing pilot Lt. Col.
Dejan Ilic sitting in one, describing the war from his perspective.
Now, I know what you are going to say, that this can only mean two a/c, but
several days ago, I have seen 3 MiG-29 in a tight formatio passing in a low
level flight over the town.
Also, if you'd like, I am willing to transfer from my VCR into an .avi file
video taken from Batajnica during the war, showing real MiG-29s and their
mock ups. BTW, that Dutch report from June 6/7, concerning 3 MiG-29
destroyed on Batajnica, while identifying 2 decoys which were not attacked
was one of the most funniest things I've seen during the war. Dutch were
right, in one way, so to speak. There WERE real MiGs there, accompanied by
their mock ups. Unfortunately for the Dutch, they destroyed all three mock
ups, while leaving real Fulcrums unscathed, mistaking them for decoys. Wanna
see the movie?
Also, all those NATO claims concerning hit hardened shelters with the
destroyed a/c inside. Also, how about a video showing hit shelters with
perfect MiG-21bis inside, fully equipped and ready to go? Not to mention
Slatina tunnels and columns of Fishbeds there.
Regards,
VJ
outsider <outs...@mailgetlost.com> wrote in message
news:38DE01DA...@mailgetlost.com...
Keith Willshaw
>
> And anyway what difference does it make if pictures are radiated from a
> Tomahawk in the last 60+ seconds of its flight as opposed to another type
of
> bomb. Surely it would give BDA better information and if it is used for
> targetting, a better chance of a 'hit'?
Using it for targetting would require remote command guidance
which is subject to jamming and possible takeover
In general terms radiating energy makes you easier to find
This is less of an issue when a tight beam can be used
back to a nearby controlling aircraft as compared to a
launch platform several hundred miles away
Keith
outsider
Keith Willshaw wrote:
> In general terms radiating energy makes you easier to find
> This is less of an issue when a tight beam can be used
> back to a nearby controlling aircraft as compared to a
> launch platform several hundred miles away
>
> Keith
Sound arguements that I shall not counter.
But back to your original post:-
>I don't think many Tomahawks came back so there wont be any video from them :)
You may or may not have intended it to be this way, but I interpreted your
words to be slightly 'mocking', but definitly sarcastic in implying that video
footage from Tomahawks would not be available because they DONT COME BACK. I
thought this unfair on BugFinder when clearly there is ordinance out there
where the phenomena is possible. After seeing such footage it is a natural
progression to consider that footage may be available also from Tomahawk
missions. Only someone well versed in such systems can say categorically that
there is / is not such a capability.
Try going a little easier on people who are not quite so well informed as you
are.
outsider
outsider
Looking forward to it. :-)
outsider
PS. Near the end you say. Wanna see the movie? As a little add on, Channel 4
TV in the UK showed footage of that very mission by one (possibly 2) of the
Dutch F-16s. The 'target' destroyed was sitting at the holding point of Runway
12L. The pilot then had to go into some rather 'sever' manouvers as he had been
'locked on' by a SAM.
Keith Willshaw
>
> But back to your original post:-
>
> >I don't think many Tomahawks came back so there wont be any video from
them :)
>
> You may or may not have intended it to be this way, but I interpreted your
> words to be slightly 'mocking', but definitly sarcastic in implying that
video
> footage from Tomahawks would not be available because they DONT COME BACK.
I
> thought this unfair on BugFinder when clearly there is ordinance out there
> where the phenomena is possible.
But they are not Tomahawks are they ?
If you think I was being tough on a newbie then
stick around I am very easy going in comparison to some
of the denizens of this newgroup
Keith
Alun
<outs...@mailgetlost.com> writes
>
>
>Keith Willshaw wrote:
>
>> In general terms radiating energy makes you easier to find
>> This is less of an issue when a tight beam can be used
>> back to a nearby controlling aircraft as compared to a
>> launch platform several hundred miles away
>>
>> Keith
>
>Sound arguements that I shall not counter.
>
>
>>I don't think many Tomahawks came back so there wont be any video from them :)
>
>You may or may not have intended it to be this way, but I interpreted your
>words to be slightly 'mocking', but definitly sarcastic in implying that video
>footage from Tomahawks would not be available because they DONT COME BACK. I
>thought this unfair on BugFinder when clearly there is ordinance out there
>progression to consider that footage may be available also from Tomahawk
>missions. Only someone well versed in such systems can say categorically that
>there is / is not such a capability.
>
>Try going a little easier on people who are not quite so well informed as you
>are.
>
>outsider
>
Hi outsider, it was a joke, not intended to be a put down, that's why
Keith put the smiley there! Keith is pretty polite and informative in
most of his posts (apart from those who don't deserve politeness) :)
--
Alun