Female Fighter Pilots
Paul Coggan
>Does any country have any female fighter pilots besides the U.S.?
Yes, I understand the Royal Air Force has at least one female Tornado pilot - flying with 12
Squadron at RAF Lossiemouth near Elgin, Morayshire, Scotland. About time too!
Gobucky
pilots for a number of years. Can anybody verify this for me?
M. L. Shettle
Bjorn Hell Larsen
<jo...@weald.air.saab.se> wrote:
> M. L. Shettle writes:
> > Does any country have any female fighter pilots besides the U.S.?
> Sweden has, as of this date, one female fighter pilot and she is
> flying ground attack missions in an AJS37 Viggen.
Norway currently has one female fighter pilot flying the F-16A,
stationed at Bodø Lufthavn, I believe.
Bjørn
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Jorgen Efverman
> Does any country have any female fighter pilots besides the U.S.?
Sweden has, as of this date, one female fighter pilot and she is
flying ground attack missions in an AJS37 Viggen.
J Efverman
(The opinions stated are entirely my own.)
Johan Eertink
: Does any country have any female fighter pilots besides the U.S.?
There's at least one female fighter pilot in the Royal Netherlands
Airforce. I believe there are some others in training right now.
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Robert Dorsett
>and possibly more, achieved ace status. Given the ridiculously cramped
>size of WW2 era fighter cockpits, I'm surprised more countries didn't
>use women pilots (er... is it non-PC to suggest women are generally
>smaller than men??).
Men were generally smaller than they are now, too. Dietary deficiencies,
etc.
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Roger Wallsgrove
>
>M. L. Shettle (top...@mindspring.com) wrote:
>: Does any country have any female fighter pilots besides the U.S.?
>
information given earlier (if so, sorry!).
Whatever the current situation, the Soviet Air Force in WW2 had plenty
of female fighter pilots (and bomber pilots/crew). At least one,
and possibly more, achieved ace status. Given the ridiculously cramped
size of WW2 era fighter cockpits, I'm surprised more countries didn't
use women pilots (er... is it non-PC to suggest women are generally
pilots to deliver operational aircraft (of all types, even the
"hottest" new fighters).
Roger Wallsgrove
Troy Wandio
Besides the US, Canada (the first country I believe), The
Netherlands, U.K., and mabye Denmark use women combat pilots.
Murray Taylor
Tornados with 617 Sqn.
Peter Bjoern
> Besides the US, Canada (the first country I believe), The
>Netherlands, U.K., and mabye Denmark use women combat pilots.
I know that we (Denmark) have female helicopter pilots and perhaps
transport pilots. A few months ago there was much attention in the
media about that we were to have our first female F-16 pilot. There
were photos, interviews etc. with the soon to be first female fighter
pilot. But, alas, after a short time the media had to report that she
had had been washed out of initial flying school because of lack of
flying abilities. But real soon now, sombody else is bound to make it ...
Regards
Peter
Rune Winther
> Does any country have any female fighter pilots besides the U.S.?
The Royal Norwegian Air Force has at least one female flying the F16.
Rune W.
Al Bowers
You're way behind the times. The Russians had complete _squadrons_
(three I think) of women fighter pilots. Two of them were aces, with
five or more kills.
name kills war nationality
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Lily Litvak (w) 12 WWII USSR
Katya Budanova (w) 6 WWII USSR
Smithsonian Air&Space had a good article about these fighter groups
(Dec 93/Jan 94, "Wings, Women, and War", Reina Pennington)...
Al Bowers
Scott Chan
bow...@tifosi.dfrc.nasa.gov (Al Bowers) writes:
|>
|> In article <40t84n$9...@news.uni-c.dk> pet...@inet.uni-c.dk (Peter
|> Bjoern) writes:
|>
|> >> Besides the US, Canada (the first country I believe), The
|> >>Netherlands, U.K., and mabye Denmark use women combat pilots.
|>
|> You're way behind the times. The Russians had complete _squadrons_
|> (three I think) of women fighter pilots. Two of them were aces, with
|> five or more kills.
|>
|> name kills war nationality
|> ======================================================================
|> Lily Litvak (w) 12 WWII USSR
|> Katya Budanova (w) 6 WWII USSR
|>
|> Smithsonian Air&Space had a good article about these fighter groups
|> (Dec 93/Jan 94, "Wings, Women, and War", Reina Pennington)...
|>
|> Al Bowers
I read somewhere (sorry, forgot the source) there was one Soviet fighter
pilot in WWII who flew combat missions while pregnant...I guess they were
really desperate in those days.
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Scott Chan
Colin Saunders
> I thought I've heard of the Israeli armed forces having had female
> pilots for a number of years. Can anybody verify this for me?
****As you'll read below, Canada, USSR, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands,
Sweden, UK, and US have female fighter pilots (if not others). While
the USSR did have female fighter pilots during WWII, it can be
reasonably assumed that the original poster meant modern era pilots.
In that regard, as I know it, Canada had the first female jet fighter
pilot to achieve operational status (Captain, later Major (now ret'd)
Deana Brasseur). She flew CF-5 Freedom Fighters, then went on to CF-18
Hornets. We have had 2 or 3 female fighter pilots since then, although
I don't know if we have any at the moment. As for the US, are the
women there cleared for combat yet?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Colin Saunders
Carleton University,
Law/History Hons B.A.
Ottawa, Canada
Email address: csau...@chat.carleton.ca
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mario fante
With regard to whether or not the Israeli Air Force uses women pilots, the
answer seems to be no. According to Boston Jewish Times (6 July), Israeli
military law bars women from combat duty, or at least has since the late
1970s (same source). A South African-born Israeli woman is currently suing
the IAF for the right to fly fighters, her case is pending.
Also, the Dutch female F-16A pilot, Lt. Manja Blok, (radio call-sign "Toots",
I kid you not), made the cover story of Janes Defence Weekly about a year ago,
and participated in Operation Deny Flight over Bosnia.
Enjoy,
Mario R. Fante
Defense Media Review
Chris Story
In article <DDJty...@cunews.carleton.ca>, csau...@chat.carleton.ca (Colin Saunders) writes:
|> Gobucky (gob...@aol.com) wrote:
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[snip]
|> Deana Brasseur). She flew CF-5 Freedom Fighters, then went on to CF-18
|> Hornets. We have had 2 or 3 female fighter pilots since then, although
|> I don't know if we have any at the moment. As for the US, are the
|> women there cleared for combat yet?
I know of at least one. Capt. Kim Reid recently
joined 419 Sqn in Cold Lake as a CF-18 pilot.
On a slightly different note, Canada has had female
military pilots for well over 10 years. Back in
the spring of 1985, when I was an Air Cadet, I was
selected for an air experience flight on a C-130 from
Trenton to Bagotville, to Goose Bay and back. The aircraft
commander was a fine fellow named Major Gilled Bonenfent, and
the copilot was a newly graduated Herc driver named
Capt. Brenda Harder. Both were fine pilots and good flight
crew.
If anyone knows of either of their whereabouts, I'd be interested
in hearing about them.
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Chris Story
email : cst...@bnr.ca
Disclaimer : Just my opinions
MetaJohn
> Israeli military law bars women from combat duty . . .
And not without genuine reason . . . Not that is matters much
anymore, since overpopulation is more likely than extinction [or is it the
most likely cause of extinction?], but putting "wombs" [hence women] into
battle is a very poor survival strategy in general. It's an old saw that
one man can father 5,000 children [some Turkish Sultans and Chinese
Emperors actually came close to that mark], but no woman can bear more
than about 20 children [I know that 69 or some such obscene number is
"authenticated" by Guiness - but most women would expire from
complications or exhaustion by the time they got to 20 even today, and
that assumes that all of the children live to maturity!] in a life, and
only that many with real commitment, stong conviction, and adequate
support. The point is that, even should some women serve in combat units,
roles, vehicles or a/c, it is not likely to become a widespread phenomena
-- too much genetic heritage against it.
I have no fear nor even any prejudice against women in combat --
better them than me -- it's just that I cannot see any rational species
succeeding with that strategy in the long term without there are few wars
and few KIAs. The first nation which manages to lose a significant number
of women of child bearing age in war is going to be studied for signs of
general heritable insanity.
MetaJohn
Al Bowers
>|> You're way behind the times. The Russians had complete _squadrons_
>|> (three I think) of women fighter pilots. Two of them were aces, with
>|> five or more kills.
>|>
>|> Smithsonian Air&Space had a good article about these fighter groups
>|> (Dec 93/Jan 94, "Wings, Women, and War", Reina Pennington)...
>I read somewhere (sorry, forgot the source) there was one Soviet fighter
>pilot in WWII who flew combat missions while pregnant...I guess they were
>really desperate in those days.
Desperation nothing. Women had equal rights under the Marxist laws.
The women made their arguement, and won the right to help defend their
country. I'm about as right-wing as they come (including NRA
membership), but these women were citizens of a country at war. They
did their duty. More power to them.
Al Bowers
Cott Lang
>most likely cause of extinction?], but putting "wombs" [hence women] into
>battle is a very poor survival strategy in general. It's an old saw that
>one man can father 5,000 children [some Turkish Sultans and Chinese
>Emperors actually came close to that mark], but no woman can bear more
>than about 20 children [I know that 69 or some such obscene number is
That might be intelligent - if men in our society frequently ran around
and impregnated 5,000 women instead of tending to mate for life AND if
we actually had a "repopulation" process where all women were forcibly
impregnated... since neither is true, it's just a crock.
--
"You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a
reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating
the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for
independence." - Charles A. Beard
Andrew T. Patton
>A little off the subject, but when they sent the F-111s to bomb Libya,
>at least one of the tankers that refuelled them had an all-woman crew,
>as I recall.
When I lived in Saudi Arabia in the early eighties the USAF had a
detatchment of AWACS and KC-135/KC-10 tanker at the Riyadh Air Base
and it was not uncommon to have female flight crews. This did cause
some problems in the beginning, but they were quickly sorted out when
the flight crews were shown to be quite able and performed their job
as well as anyone else.
Mary Shafer
at least one of the tankers that refuelled them had an all-woman crew,
as I recall.
Also, woman have been on the launch crews in the missile silos for
some time now and that's certainly some sort of combat status. Being
able to blow up an entire city should qualify nicely.
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SR-71 Chief Engineer NASA Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA
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URL http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/People/Shafer/mary.html
Al Bowers
In article <41fock$a...@solaris.cc.vt.edu> apa...@vt.edu (Andrew T. Patton) writes:
>sha...@ferhino.dfrc.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) wrote:
>>A little off the subject, but when they sent the F-111s to bomb Libya,
>>at least one of the tankers that refuelled them had an all-woman crew,
>>as I recall.
>When I lived in Saudi Arabia in the early eighties the USAF had a
>detatchment of AWACS and KC-135/KC-10 tanker at the Riyadh Air Base
>and it was not uncommon to have female flight crews. This did cause
>some problems in the beginning, but they were quickly sorted out when
>the flight crews were shown to be quite able and performed their job
>as well as anyone else.
I understand it still caused some problems, as the Saudi's do not
allow women to _drive_ motor vehicles, and in defference to Arab
sensitivities, women were not allowed to drive during DS.
Odd world we live in...
Al Bowers
HOLRITZ
Women did drive military vehicles during Desert Storm.
BOB
Carl Bergquist
back, at the AJ-37 Viggen Wing of F 15 Söderhamn, some 200 kilometers
north of Stockholm.
/Calle
Cindy Coan
>From: carl.be...@mailbox.swipnet.se (Carl Bergquist)
>Subject: Re: Female Fighter Pilots
>Date: 30 Aug 1995 21:12:27 GMT
>/Calle
Sweden isn't the only place to have women fighter pilots. In Holland, Manja
Blok (not l00% sure if I have the spelling right) has become the first women
to fly a General Dynamics F-l6.
Also, in the Soviet Union, a number of women engaged in aerial combat in
World War 2. The Germans found these women formidable enough in the air that
they nicknamed them the "Night Witches".
For more information about women pilots in combat or other military pilot
roles, contact:
Pima Air & Space Museum Library
6000 E. Valencia Rd.
Tucson, AZ 85706
(520) 574-0462
"If you call, write, or come and see us, be sure to say you heard about our
Museum on the Internet."
Paul Jonathan Adam
> Sweden isn't the only place to have women fighter pilots. In Holland, Manja
> Blok (not l00% sure if I have the spelling right) has become the first women
> to fly a General Dynamics F-l6.
Jane's Defence Weekly had a feature on her last year while she was flying
over Bosnia. The spelling is correct. She said after a slightly awkward
period of integration her squadron-mates accepted her fully, and her only
real problem was "southern European pilots" (not further specified) who
on exercise would refuse to believe that a mere woman had beaten them.
Of course, if she's smart enough to fly F-16s she's smart enough to have a
sense of humour...
--
"When you have shot and killed a man, you have defined your attitude towards
him. You have offered a definite answer to a definite problem. For better
or for worse, you have acted decisively.
In fact, the next move is up to him." <R.A. Lafferty>
Paul J. Adam pa...@jrwlynch.demon.co.uk