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Selling jets to bust the deficit for the USA and maybe Europe?
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David E. Powell
Jun 14, 2013, 12:06:22 PM6/14/13
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It seems to me higher defense sales is a good way to make hard currency and fight the national debt so why not increase sales and approve more stuff for sale to allies?
Arm the heck out of our allies while we're at it, and it's all good!
Arm the heck out of our allies while we're at it, and it's all good!
Keith W
Jun 14, 2013, 2:49:50 PM6/14/13
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one export customer for the F-14 was.
Keith
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David E. Powell
Jun 15, 2013, 11:43:11 AM6/15/13
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On Saturday, June 15, 2013 11:27:20 AM UTC-4, Juergen Nieveler wrote:
Hmm... no. I'm guessing that either no one else went for them or the US decided future exports were not a good idea. (Despite all the F-15s sold, for example, which turned out OK.) Did the F-15 cost less than the F-14? I am guessing that due to the Phoenix system and the swing wing the Tomcat was more expensive.
I do see Keith's point that being confident that the nation one sells the stuff to will stay friendly is a big part of any arms deal. Not just the current government but one that may, um, come into office in the future.
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> Juergen Nieveler
> "Keith W" <keithnosp...@demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> > Until they become enemies. You may recall who the number
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> > one export customer for the F-14 was.
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> Were there any OTHER export customers of the F-14?
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> > Until they become enemies. You may recall who the number
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> > one export customer for the F-14 was.
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Hmm... no. I'm guessing that either no one else went for them or the US decided future exports were not a good idea. (Despite all the F-15s sold, for example, which turned out OK.) Did the F-15 cost less than the F-14? I am guessing that due to the Phoenix system and the swing wing the Tomcat was more expensive.
I do see Keith's point that being confident that the nation one sells the stuff to will stay friendly is a big part of any arms deal. Not just the current government but one that may, um, come into office in the future.
> --
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> Juergen Nieveler
Keith W
Jun 15, 2013, 1:07:23 PM6/15/13
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>> Until they become enemies. You may recall who the number
>> one export customer for the F-14 was.
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>> one export customer for the F-14 was.
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> Were there any OTHER export customers of the F-14?
No which may be somewhat to the point.
Keith
Daryl
Jun 15, 2013, 4:05:57 PM6/15/13
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vzlion
Jun 16, 2013, 4:38:03 PM6/16/13
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the money to pay for them, and some that didn't.
David E. Powell
Jun 16, 2013, 5:02:58 PM6/16/13
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Venezuela having F-16s is interesting, though I am not sure what their planes' current condition is.
Daryl
Jun 16, 2013, 11:53:13 PM6/16/13
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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
Jun 17, 2013, 5:58:00 AM6/17/13
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In article <JKvvt.40418$O61....@newsfe14.iad>,
when are they going to show up...or are you just referring to yourself?
when are they going to show up...or are you just referring to yourself?
Eunometic
Jun 17, 2013, 10:42:31 PM6/17/13
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On Jun 17, 7:02 am, "David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com>
wrote:
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> - Show quoted text -
Military exports are as much part of nefarious power balance and
influence calculations as economic plans. Irans F-14's, even under
the theocratic regime
balanced Hussein's Bathist Iraq so you may find it convenient to sell
weapons to unreliable nations anyway, eg Pakistan. Personally I
rather prefer the Bathist regimes of Syria and Iraq to anything that
those countries had in the past or will ever have in the future.
Compared to the Alternative Baathists were good people. AIPACS
vinditive effect on US policy will eventually ensure the victory of
Islam in the middle east and hopefully the demise of Israel.
Of course there are ways and means, during the Falkland War Britain
asked France for the disable codes for the Exocet missile used so
impunely against the Royal Navy. This was a direct Thatcher to
Mitterand "converstation" with the French President refusing
(presumably to protect the integrity of Frances weapons exports),
claiming he suffered subsequent mental healthy problems because the
British Prime minister threatened to use nukes. (Perhaps nuclear
SAM's). (I rather think the snivelling race traitor deserved to
suffer). Wish Thatcher had of used her impressive balls to deal with
Britains real enemies.
wrote:
> On Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:38:03 PM UTC-4, vzlion wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:43:11 -0700 (PDT), "David E. Powell"
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> > On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:43:11 -0700 (PDT), "David E. Powell"
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> > <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote:
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> > >On Saturday, June 15, 2013 11:27:20 AM UTC-4, Juergen Nieveler wrote:
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> > >On Saturday, June 15, 2013 11:27:20 AM UTC-4, Juergen Nieveler wrote:
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> > >> "Keith W" <keithnospoofsple...@demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> > >> > Until they become enemies. You may recall who the number
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> > >> > one export customer for the F-14 was.
>
> > >> Were there any OTHER export customers of the F-14?
>
> > >Hmm... no. I'm guessing that either no one else went for them or the US decided future exports were not a good idea. (Despite all the F-15s sold, for example, which turned out OK.) Did the F-15 cost less than the F-14? I am guessing that due to the Phoenix system and the swing wing the Tomcat was more expensive.
>
> > >I do see Keith's point that being confident that the nation one sells the stuff to will stay friendly is a big part of any arms deal. Not just the current government but one that may, um, come into office in the future.
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> > >> --
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> > >> Juergen Nieveler
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> > Don't forget the past administration that sold F-16s to anyone who had
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> > the money to pay for them, and some that didn't.
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> Yet strangely, not Taiwan. Given the Taiwanese have F-16s already I don't understand why more cannot be sold.
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> Venezuela having F-16s is interesting, though I am not sure what their planes' current condition is.- Hide quoted text -
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> > >> > Until they become enemies. You may recall who the number
>
> > >> > one export customer for the F-14 was.
>
> > >> Were there any OTHER export customers of the F-14?
>
> > >Hmm... no. I'm guessing that either no one else went for them or the US decided future exports were not a good idea. (Despite all the F-15s sold, for example, which turned out OK.) Did the F-15 cost less than the F-14? I am guessing that due to the Phoenix system and the swing wing the Tomcat was more expensive.
>
> > >I do see Keith's point that being confident that the nation one sells the stuff to will stay friendly is a big part of any arms deal. Not just the current government but one that may, um, come into office in the future.
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> > >> --
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> > >> Juergen Nieveler
>
> > Don't forget the past administration that sold F-16s to anyone who had
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> > the money to pay for them, and some that didn't.
>
> Yet strangely, not Taiwan. Given the Taiwanese have F-16s already I don't understand why more cannot be sold.
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Military exports are as much part of nefarious power balance and
influence calculations as economic plans. Irans F-14's, even under
the theocratic regime
balanced Hussein's Bathist Iraq so you may find it convenient to sell
weapons to unreliable nations anyway, eg Pakistan. Personally I
rather prefer the Bathist regimes of Syria and Iraq to anything that
those countries had in the past or will ever have in the future.
Compared to the Alternative Baathists were good people. AIPACS
vinditive effect on US policy will eventually ensure the victory of
Islam in the middle east and hopefully the demise of Israel.
Of course there are ways and means, during the Falkland War Britain
asked France for the disable codes for the Exocet missile used so
impunely against the Royal Navy. This was a direct Thatcher to
Mitterand "converstation" with the French President refusing
(presumably to protect the integrity of Frances weapons exports),
claiming he suffered subsequent mental healthy problems because the
British Prime minister threatened to use nukes. (Perhaps nuclear
SAM's). (I rather think the snivelling race traitor deserved to
suffer). Wish Thatcher had of used her impressive balls to deal with
Britains real enemies.
Daryl
Jun 18, 2013, 3:29:11 AM6/18/13
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Dean Markley
Jun 18, 2013, 8:01:49 AM6/18/13
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Daryl
Jun 18, 2013, 8:16:58 AM6/18/13
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The Peeler
Jun 18, 2013, 9:17:34 AM6/18/13
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Alistair Gunn
Jun 18, 2013, 2:06:41 PM6/18/13
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Dean Markley twisted the electrons to say:
function?
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These opinions might not even be mine ...
Let alone connected with my employer ...
> Really? Can you provide a reference where Thatcher threatened to use
> any nukes during the Falklands War?
Or a reference to Exocets having a radio controlled remote detonate
> any nukes during the Falklands War?
function?
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These opinions might not even be mine ...
Let alone connected with my employer ...
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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
Jun 18, 2013, 3:34:32 PM6/18/13
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In article <a%Tvt.54441$Pn4....@newsfe28.iad>,
I'm still waiting for it...how's your credit report?
Daryl
Jun 18, 2013, 4:30:08 PM6/18/13
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week, I got a sympathy card and 20 bucks from the thief. Do your worst.
A 6x9 cell with a new husband called Bubba awaits you.
The Peeler
Jun 18, 2013, 8:31:11 PM6/18/13
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On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:52:46 +0200, The Peeler
<finish...@themoronicRevd.invalid> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:17:34 -0700, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
>sci and scj, FAKING his time zone again and IMPERSONATING his master, The
Did, you Grik anus? Attaboy! <GB>
<finish...@themoronicRevd.invalid> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:17:34 -0700, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
>sci and scj, FAKING his time zone again and IMPERSONATING his master, The
>Peeler, wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>>Why, are you going to start bullying him as well? Aren't I enough?
>>
>> Are, you Datyl? <EBVG>
>
>Well, I farted again, "The Rectum"! <BG>
>
>
>>>
>>>Why, are you going to start bullying him as well? Aren't I enough?
>>
>> Are, you Datyl? <EBVG>
>
Did, you Grik anus? Attaboy! <GB>
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
Jun 18, 2013, 11:38:55 PM6/18/13
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In article <kr3wt.42578$f_1....@newsfe05.iad>,
Do your worst.
> A 6x9 cell with a new husband called Bubba awaits you.
you're getting another divorce?
Daryl <dh...@nospamtvmoviesforfree.com> wrote:
> On 6/18/2013 1:34 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article <a%Tvt.54441$Pn4....@newsfe28.iad>,
> > Daryl <dh...@nospamtvmoviesforfree.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/17/2013 3:58 AM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>> In article <JKvvt.40418$O61....@newsfe14.iad>,
> >>> Daryl <dh...@nospamtvmoviesforfree.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Here, let me help you. Enjoy the fruitcakes.
> >>>
> >>> when are they going to show up...or are you just referring to yourself?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Your Milk Money post is coming, coming, wait for it.
> >
> > I'm still waiting for it...how's your credit report?
> >
>
> I had my identity stolen once. I didn't worry too much. In the next
> week, I got a sympathy card and 20 bucks from the thief.
I can believe that...who'd want to be you?
> On 6/18/2013 1:34 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article <a%Tvt.54441$Pn4....@newsfe28.iad>,
> > Daryl <dh...@nospamtvmoviesforfree.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/17/2013 3:58 AM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>> In article <JKvvt.40418$O61....@newsfe14.iad>,
> >>> Daryl <dh...@nospamtvmoviesforfree.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Here, let me help you. Enjoy the fruitcakes.
> >>>
> >>> when are they going to show up...or are you just referring to yourself?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Your Milk Money post is coming, coming, wait for it.
> >
> > I'm still waiting for it...how's your credit report?
> >
>
> I had my identity stolen once. I didn't worry too much. In the next
> week, I got a sympathy card and 20 bucks from the thief.
Do your worst.
> A 6x9 cell with a new husband called Bubba awaits you.
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