Where do pilots/air crew carry their dog tags?
silverpelican
and , naturally, differences of opinion. Part of it is where pilots/air
crew carry their dog tags, or where they did carry them when they were
in. Normally, folks have them around their neck. But maybe not.
Appreciate imput from anybody who ever flew.
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silverpelican wrote in message <7u3064$e8n$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Jim Carriere
collar and tucked into the front of the flight suit a the top of the
zipper, between the suit and T-shirt. Maybe that's more comfortable-
they grab my chest hair sometimes (ow!), but I keep wearing them around
my neck, under my T-shirt.
Rick
vests.
Rick
BUFDRVR wrote in message <19991013213337...@ng-fc1.aol.com>...
>
>Don't like stuff on my neck, especially when wearing an LPU, survival vest
and
>parachute. I wear one on my left boot lace and the other in my sleave
pocket of
>my flight suit.
>
>
>BUFDRVR
>
>"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
>everyone on Bear Creek"
Bobby B.
>
>
>Rick wrote:
>
>> Mine are always on my neck, some people will put one in their boot
laces.
>>
>> Rick
>
>Before I could go on flight status I had to have the medics
>take my foot prints. I don't know if this is SOP but we did
>fly C-119s.
>
>Hugh
>
They still do foot prints as of '93. As for the dog tags, I laced them into
my boots. I'd lose them if I had to remember them everyday!
Bobby B.
Hugh Dickson
Jim & Linda McDowell
Jim
Rick <re...@dotstar.net> wrote in message
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> Mine are always on my neck, some people will put one in their boot laces.
>
> Rick
>
BUFDRVR
Don't like stuff on my neck, especially when wearing an LPU, survival vest and
Phil Brandt
<silver...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> There is a thread running in alt.folklore.military about dog tags
>and , naturally, differences of opinion. Part of it is where pilots/air
>crew carry their dog tags, or where they did carry them when they were
>in. Normally, folks have them around their neck.
I and everyone with whom I ever crewed with in MAC, recce or Varks,
put 'em around the neck. The boot location has merit though. My Vark
left seater from RTU later went into a vertical rock wall at Nellis in
'76, and I understand one of the few human items found was a foot in a
boot.
Phil Brandt
Vark WSO (Ret.)
Hugh Dickson
Gord Beaman
> There is a thread running in alt.folklore.military about dog tags
Neck.
--
Gord Beaman
PEI, Canada
Hugh Dickson
plastic "spaghetti". The tags would also be covered in clear
spaghetti that was cut and sealed. A nekkid dog tag that came
in contact with a high voltage area could ruin everybody's day.
I seen recent pictures of Army puke's tags that have the outside
edge covered by a band of black rubber. To reduce "clink"?
Regards, Hugh
Ed Rasimus
> There is a thread running in alt.folklore.military about dog tags
>and , naturally, differences of opinion. Part of it is where pilots/air
>crew carry their dog tags, or where they did carry them when they were
>in. Normally, folks have them around their neck. But maybe not.
>Appreciate imput from anybody who ever flew.
Most folks I've known carried them on the issue chain around their
neck. During the SEA period it became fashionable to buy a little
rubber gizmo that went around the edges so the two plates didn't clang
together, but I really doubt that SEALs and LRP guys were so
sophisticated--I've got a feeling they just wrapped a piece of duct
tape around them.
In later years the lacing of one tag into a boot became popular. But,
for most of my flying career I tucked the chain and tags into the
cigarette pocket of my flying suit. Around my neck was my 2-baht gold
chain with the Buddha that my Thai friend gave me.
BTW, did the discussion of dog tags explain the purpose of the small
chain and the notch in the plates?
Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
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Simon H. Lee
line of high-kicking electrons to spell out:
>BTW, did the discussion of dog tags explain the purpose of the small
>chain and the notch in the plates?
Not as of yet, but IIRC the notch is so the tag can be jammed up
securely into the teeth of the owner's corpse so it stays with the
body... right?
- Simon -
ALL DONE! BYE BYE!
BUFDRVR
>vests.
Nope, in fact, ACC has just (3 months ago) made it mandatory to wear survival
vests during peace time CONUS sorties.
Gord Beaman
>
>BTW, did the discussion of dog tags explain the purpose of the small
>chain and the notch in the plates?
>
> Ed Rasimus
I notice that the US tag issue is each two?...Canadian issues only one (Air
Force at least). These are sort of 'dual' with a 'score' between sections to
facilitate separation (to allow the section with the chain to remain on the
remains and the 'duplicate' to be carried off to the headshead (or wherever).
So to answer your question, small chain to facilitate 'yanking the whole thing
off?'...and the notch to facilitate separating the tag?...(whichever is
considered appropriate at the time?).
Gordon
Buddhist, the other a Greek Orthodox, plus one in my boot that said I was a
Baptist.... Flying in SH-2Fs, its good to keep all your bases covered...
v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR Aircrew
"Senso, got anything on your radar?"
"Nothing but my forehead, sir."
Yeff
Simon H. Lee <sh...@bu.edu> wrote in message
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> thu...@rmii.com (Ed Rasimus) choreographed a chorus
> line of high-kicking electrons to spell out:
>
> >chain and the notch in the plates?
>
> securely into the teeth of the owner's corpse so it stays with the
> body... right?
I think that's UL. Who'd want to pry open the mouth of a corpse to
look for the tag?
The one on the long chain is to be left with the remains. You take
the one on the short chain with you to let those who need to know that
the individual is dead. That's how I remember it (when clinical
depression allows me to remember anything...).
The notch? Believe it was there simply to help align it in the
stamping press.
-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com
Matti Raustia
: thu...@rmii.com (Ed Rasimus) choreographed a chorus
: line of high-kicking electrons to spell out:
:
: >BTW, did the discussion of dog tags explain the purpose of the small
: >chain and the notch in the plates?
:
: Not as of yet, but IIRC the notch is so the tag can be jammed up
: securely into the teeth of the owner's corpse so it stays with the
: body... right?
Why would someone want to place a dog tag between dead man's front teeth?
Isn't the second tag still in the chain which goes around the dead
person's neck?
Sounds like the myth that tells that modern tanks have some kind of
auto-fire to hunt everyone who launches his rpg.
matti
--
"China is a big country, inhabited by many chinese." - Charles de Gaulle
Hugh Dickson
BUFDRVR wrote:
> >You wear all that in a BUFF? I thought only the Navy still used survival
> >vests.
>
> Nope, in fact, ACC has just (3 months ago) made it mandatory to wear survival
> vests during peace time CONUS sorties.
>
> BUFDRVR
Aloha, As a "trash hauler" in the '70s I was supposed to
wear the 18 lb. seat-pack survival kit that might, or might
not, interfere with canopy deployment. A real pain in the
butt to sit on. I would use it over water because of the
raft but for flight over terrain I carried my own bailout bag.
Hugh
Hugh Dickson
Matti Raustia wrote:
Aloha, I was told by the flight surgeon that the notched
tag was placed between the teeth so that evolved gasses
could be vented so that the body would not "blow up".
Hugh
Rick
vest like? Compared to Navy SV2's anyways.
Rick
BUFDRVR wrote in message <19991014121914...@ng-da1.aol.com>...
>>You wear all that in a BUFF? I thought only the Navy still used survival
>>vests.
>
>Nope, in fact, ACC has just (3 months ago) made it mandatory to wear
survival
>vests during peace time CONUS sorties.
>
>
>BUFDRVR
>
BUFDRVR
Standard issue, olive drab survivial vest. Pocket for the PRC-90 or 112 in
lower left, place for 9mm above that. 2 inside pockets for additional flares
and gyro jets.
>Compared to Navy SV2's anyways.
??????
Dweezil Dwarftosser
wrote:
>I'll chime in, I guess. I had two dogtags around my neck; one saying I was a
>Buddhist, the other a Greek Orthodox, plus one in my boot that said I was a
>Baptist.... Flying in SH-2Fs, its good to keep all your bases covered...
Orthodox Zen Baptist, eh? ....
- John
Yeff
Dweezil Dwarftosser <wc...@usa.net> wrote in message
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> Orthodox Zen Baptist, eh? ....
I'm a dyslexic, agnostic insomniac.
I stay awake nights wondering if there really is a dog...
JBaker
it in the boot laces was "Gucci" and I had heard stories of guys boots
coming off in the ejection scenario anyway. Wasn't gonna wear no kinda
metal around my neck when they were giving me fire protectant clothing to
wear. Thought that thing would get real hot real fast and didn't want to
have my DT tatooed onto my chest or neck.
The small chain is for hanging the DT around your toe when you're mort.
Jim
Ed Rasimus <thu...@rmii.com> wrote in message >
> Most folks I've known carried them on the issue chain around their
> neck. During the SEA period it became fashionable to buy a little
> rubber gizmo that went around the edges so the two plates didn't clang
> together, but I really doubt that SEALs and LRP guys were so
> sophisticated--I've got a feeling they just wrapped a piece of duct
> tape around them.
>
> In later years the lacing of one tag into a boot became popular. But,
> for most of my flying career I tucked the chain and tags into the
> cigarette pocket of my flying suit. Around my neck was my 2-baht gold
> chain with the Buddha that my Thai friend gave me.
>
> BTW, did the discussion of dog tags explain the purpose of the small
> chain and the notch in the plates?
>
>
C.C. Jordan
>silverpelican <silver...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> There is a thread running in alt.folklore.military about dog tags
>>and , naturally, differences of opinion. Part of it is where pilots/air
>>crew carry their dog tags, or where they did carry them when they were
>>in. Normally, folks have them around their neck. But maybe not.
>>Appreciate imput from anybody who ever flew.
>
>Most folks I've known carried them on the issue chain around their
>neck. During the SEA period it became fashionable to buy a little
>rubber gizmo that went around the edges so the two plates didn't clang
>together, but I really doubt that SEALs and LRP guys were so
>sophisticated--I've got a feeling they just wrapped a piece of duct
>tape around them.
I saw all sorts of methods for carrying the tags. I never bothered to wear the
damn things. My name, SSN and blood type were stenciled onto the back
of my flight helmet, which received a custom airbrush paint job.
Naturally, my Safety Officer pissed and moaned about the lack of reflective
tape.
I served with one lunatic who had his name and SSN tatooed on his ass.
One last gasp of defiance, I suppose.
My regards,
C.C. Jordan
The Planes and Pilots of WWII Internet Magazine
http://www.worldwar2aviation.com
http://www.cradleofaviation.org - Cradle of Aviation Museum
Jim Carriere
> I'll chime in, I guess. I had two dogtags around my neck; one saying I was a
> Buddhist, the other a Greek Orthodox, plus one in my boot that said I was a
> Baptist.... Flying in SH-2Fs, its good to keep all your bases covered...
LOL! And on the serious side, went to (another) safety brief (that was
anything BUT brief) this morning. They said when the H-2 was
introduced, 35 were lost in the first 35 months. You guys had a lot of
guts to keep flying those.
waltbj2oneimage.com
>Aloha, Pls. see my earlier post re: footprints. Hugh>
>Phil Brandt wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:13:36 GMT, silverpelican
>> <silver...@my-deja.com> wrote:
medical records. Now replaced by DNA I suppose.
Walt BJ ftr plt ret
Jim Carriere
> An old friend of mine, AWCS Chris "Flex" O'dell, recently related a sad story
> to me - NAS Pensacola (I assume the museum on the base) was interested in
> recording the names of the aircrew that were killed in the LAMPS Mk I SH-2F and
> D model of SeaSprite. They produced a fine looking plaque and began attaching
> the usual little name plates to it, but had to stop and rethink the project
> when the plaque was covered and there were still more names to add. Not
Hmm.
> counting pilots that the little bastard killed, crewmen alone made up for 67
> fatalities between the late 70s and early 1990s... There are probably more
> that aren't yet listed. This isn't including those men that died in them in
> Viet Nam - just the "peacetime years" of flying thousands of hours over water,
> half the time at night and within a hundred or so feet of the water. My own
> list of downed friends stands at 29 crewmen that I flew with in 12 years - 19
> of them were riding in the H-2.
One of my friends (who was in RSS with those aircrewmen who were in the
news for that hurricane-helo rescue a few weeks ago) commented that even
when the two pilots successfully egress after ditching, the aircrewman
in the back often goes in anyway because all the gear falls down on him
when the ship impacts the water.
I "survived" the dunker trainer in Pensacola without any "remedial"
rides- thank God, half of the water in that pool went up my nose. The
guys in our class (including me) figured it's modeled after the '46...
because that one's so top heavy it flips over, but none of the other
types are as dangerous, right? Riiiight... after reading "Approach"
magazine, and talking to enough helo bubbas, I figured out the obvious-
they all sink (not just 46s), and they all usually flip over.
> All that sounds like the aircraft was unsafe - it wasn't. Most of the
> fatalities were caused in some way by the combination of flying at night from
> the deck of ships too small to support larger helicopters. I was an H-3
Night flying the "hard way" (no NVGs)?
...
> experience, Frigate- riders get into a lot more interesting scrapes.
Mental note :)
Jim Howard
us during ejection. When I went to F-111s with the capsule many people worn
them around their neck, but I always thought that stupid.
I always carried them in my pocket or my "combat wallet".
Jim Howard (ret EWO)
Gordon
>
>LOL! And on the serious side, went to (another) safety brief (that was
>anything BUT brief) this morning. They said when the H-2 was
>introduced, 35 were lost in the first 35 months. You guys had a lot of
>guts to keep flying those.
An old friend of mine, AWCS Chris "Flex" O'dell, recently related a sad story
to me - NAS Pensacola (I assume the museum on the base) was interested in
recording the names of the aircrew that were killed in the LAMPS Mk I SH-2F and
D model of SeaSprite. They produced a fine looking plaque and began attaching
the usual little name plates to it, but had to stop and rethink the project
when the plaque was covered and there were still more names to add. Not
counting pilots that the little bastard killed, crewmen alone made up for 67
fatalities between the late 70s and early 1990s... There are probably more
that aren't yet listed. This isn't including those men that died in them in
Viet Nam - just the "peacetime years" of flying thousands of hours over water,
half the time at night and within a hundred or so feet of the water. My own
list of downed friends stands at 29 crewmen that I flew with in 12 years - 19
of them were riding in the H-2.
All that sounds like the aircraft was unsafe - it wasn't. Most of the
fatalities were caused in some way by the combination of flying at night from
the deck of ships too small to support larger helicopters. I was an H-3
crewman that volunteered for H-2s and all of my mates literally thought I had a
death wish to switch over - it wasn't that. I had had a single flight in the
SH-2F years earlier and realized that there was absolutely nothing to compare
with the excitement that you get from an H-2. None of my H-3 buds ever had the
chance to dragrace with Hinds, or dodge thumps from MiG-23s off Ostrav Iterup,
or got to fly hour after hour of specops against Soviet Carriers. The downside
of riding H-3s was that you were normally chained to a carrier -- in my
experience, Frigate- riders get into a lot more interesting scrapes.
Initially, I was told there was no open billets for me to retrain and slide
into H-2s, but a single period in 1983 claimed three crashed H-2s within a
month; the detailer called me to explain "Now, I have some openings..."
RIP, Mikey Ampong, Bill Martinie, and Charlie Hood.
v/r
Gordon
Phil & Megan
then tucked down the front.
silverpelican wrote:
> There is a thread running in alt.folklore.military about dog tags
> and , naturally, differences of opinion. Part of it is where pilots/air
> crew carry their dog tags, or where they did carry them when they were
> in. Normally, folks have them around their neck. But maybe not.
> Appreciate imput from anybody who ever flew.
>
> --
> There is no Lumber Cartel and silverpelican is not unit# 1932.
> "It was necessary to destroy the village in order
> to save it". Tet,1968
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Frank May
his dogtag.He told me then (when I asked) that the notch was for jamming
between the teeth of the dead.So I don't think i's UL.
Andrew Yeung
wrote:
>Always carried mine in the "cig" pocket on my left sleeve. Thought wearing
>it in the boot laces was "Gucci" and I had heard stories of guys boots
>coming off in the ejection scenario anyway. Wasn't gonna wear no kinda
>metal around my neck when they were giving me fire protectant clothing to
>wear. Thought that thing would get real hot real fast and didn't want to
>have my DT tatooed onto my chest or neck.
>
>The small chain is for hanging the DT around your toe when you're mort.
I'm not sure here, but I think there are 52 links for the long chain,
and 7 for the short, so you may bite them off to mark time if you're a
PoW.
wal...@oneimage.com
>I was told early on that the small chain tag went with Graves
Registartion and the notched one went in your teeth . . .
Walt Bj ftr plt ret
Carl "Skin" Forsling
tag to be worn in the left boot.
Phrogs phorever,
Skin
Frank May wrote in message
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Gord Beaman
Oops...sorry!...I thought by 'small chain' you guys meant 'the chain going
around your neck is small' (fine?)...I wasn't aware that there's _two_ chains, a
-short one- and a -long one- . There's only _one_ chain on the Canadian Air
Force issue!...
<cut>
>I always thought the small chain was just so you could hang it on the long
>chain so that the dog tag would lay flat on your chest. Without the small
>chain, the dog tag hangs perpendicular to the chest and that can be pretty
>painful when you dive for cover.
>
>John Haggerty
>
>Gord Beaman <gbe...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:38060bea...@news1.sympatico.ca...
>> thu...@rmii.com (Ed Rasimus) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >BTW, did the discussion of dog tags explain the purpose of the small
>> >chain and the notch in the plates?
>> >
>> > Ed Rasimus
>>
Ed Rasimus
>The USAF still gets two tags. The current ones do not have a notch in them.
>I always thought the small chain was just so you could hang it on the long
>chain so that the dog tag would lay flat on your chest. Without the small
>chain, the dog tag hangs perpendicular to the chest and that can be pretty
>painful when you dive for cover.
Nope. The small chain facilitates collection by whomever finds your
remains. The tag on the large chain stays with the remains, the small
chain can be released and the tag harvested for turn-in to the
casualty section. You'll see Tom Hanks doing it in Saving Private
Ryan.
Ed Rasimus
>
> To the crosshairs of S-400 missiles, and then to their graves ?
Gotta ask whether the S-400 is designed by a different team than did
the SA-2/3/4/6/7/8/9/10/11/12/14/.........
And, in our service, we don't use the dogtags for burial, but for
identification prior. What do they do in your service?
Keith Willshaw
> mkag...@lynx02.dac.neu.edu (Michael Kagalenko) wrote:
>
> >
> > To the crosshairs of S-400 missiles, and then to their graves ?
>
> Gotta ask whether the S-400 is designed by a different team than did
> the SA-2/3/4/6/7/8/9/10/11/12/14/.........
>
> And, in our service, we don't use the dogtags for burial, but for
> identification prior. What do they do in your service?
>
What service he's at Nort Eastern University in Boston
Another Russian Patriot living in the USA
Keith
B2431
one of them outta my armpit. (well, they thought a coupla inches below skin
level was a tad deep)
In the Air Farce I laced one in my right boot and had one around my neck.
Dan, U. S. Air Farce, Retired