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L. Katchur

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Feb 14, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/14/96
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A few nights ago, I was watching a half-hour commercial about
a new set of military aviation videos. They were called 'The
Challenge of Flight Videos'. On this commercial they showed a
preview of film footage that could be seen if one gets the
whole set. In one sequence they showed a man on an aircraft
carrier get sucked into the jet intake of an A-6 (or at least
I think it was an A-6, the sequence went pretty quick). Once
the man was sucked in, you could see all kinds of flames and
debris going out the back end of the jet. My first thought was,
"Holy Hamburger" this guy is finished!!! But at the end of the
commercial, the announcer said something like this:
"Watch as a man gets sucked into a jet intake and SURVIVES"

Could this be? How can a person jet sucked head first into a
jet intake, and not come out in tiny little pieces?

If anyone has more information about this could you please post
it?

Also, if your looking for these videos, go to:
http://www.usfs.com

The preview looked pretty good. I've got mine on order.


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Lyle W. Katchur - lkat...@ccinet.ab.ca
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Crow6B

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Feb 14, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/14/96
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I'm familiar with two Navy stories about flight deck crew being sucked
into intakes. (these are just two of many) NIMITZ had a plane captain
ingested by an EA-6B (in the early '80s?) where he put his arms out and
lost parts or all of both hands before the engine was secured. The guy
later commited suicide over the injuries. While on Roosevelt during
Desert Storm we had a catapult green shirt checking the nose tow/cat
shuttle assembly while an A-6 was at full power on the waist. He got too
close to the intake and it sucked him right off his feet (the whole thing
was caught on tape). Nobody on deck saw it happen (!) and the first
indications anyone had something was amiss was the compressor stall and
shower of sparks from the fodded engine. (night shot- quite a display of
sparks!) The guy's cranial helmet had come off and went down the engine.
The shot was suspended. Amazingly, he pushed his way back out of the
intake and collapsed on deck. A flight deck CPO ran up to yell at him for
laying on the flight deck during an emergency, which is where they
discovered he had been in the intake! The guy was on ship's TV next
night, with cut/injured hands and arms (he was using them to push off
against the first stage) and his hearing took a few days to get back to
normal. Other than that he was reportedly OK. RJM.

John Weiss

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Feb 14, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/14/96
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> A few nights ago, I was watching a half-hour commercial about
> a new set of military aviation videos. They were called 'The
> Challenge of Flight Videos'. On this commercial they showed a
> preview of film footage that could be seen if one gets the
> whole set. In one sequence they showed a man on an aircraft
> carrier get sucked into the jet intake of an A-6 (or at least
> I think it was an A-6, the sequence went pretty quick). Once
> the man was sucked in, you could see all kinds of flames and
> debris going out the back end of the jet. My first thought was,
> "Holy Hamburger" this guy is finished!!! But at the end of the
> commercial, the announcer said something like this:
> "Watch as a man gets sucked into a jet intake and SURVIVES"
>
> Could this be? How can a person jet sucked head first into a
> jet intake, and not come out in tiny little pieces?
>
Yes, it is possible, and has happened several times.

If the engine has a leading stator stage (inlet guide vanes) like the J-52 in
the A-6 and EA-6, survival is probable if the engine is shut down immediately
and the suckee rolls into a ball. The sparks, etc are usually the helmet and
its fittings that get sucked from his head, and possibly tools from his tool
pouch.

If the engine is a fan, as in the A-7, survival is improbable.
----
John Weiss -- jrw...@seanet.com


Ron Miller

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Feb 14, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/14/96
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L. Katchur (lkat...@ccinet.ab.ca) wrote:

: Could this be? How can a person jet sucked head first into a


: jet intake, and not come out in tiny little pieces?

: If anyone has more information about this could you please post
: it?

My father's F-4 squadron had a man go down an intake.
The fellow's belt caught on an L shaped pitot tube in the inlet and hooked
him solidly. His helmet, goggles and hearing protection trashed the engine
but he was ok.

This sort of thing can happen on a carrier flight deck, especially at night
where all the airplanes are dark and you can't tell which ones are
parked and which ones are turning and burning.

Ron Miller

GREG206

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Feb 14, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/14/96
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My father worked at Hill AFB, Utah during the late fifties and sixties.
He told me about a man that was sucked into the intake of a jet fighter
and died. I can not recall the exact model, but at the time, Hill had
many F-100s around and so I assumed the F-100. He also said that the
engine was removed from the aircraft and the whole engine was buried.
Take it for what its worth.

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Stephen Swartz

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Feb 14, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/14/96
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In article <4fs20l$v...@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, lkat...@ccinet.ab.ca (L. Katchur) says:
>

>Could this be? How can a person jet sucked head first into a
>jet intake, and not come out in tiny little pieces?
>

Lyle:

Nothing first-hand, but . . . the first "layer" on a compressor
section is usually/always stator vanes. They don't move. Depending on
how far apart the stators are, only very few body parts would actually
get "sucked in" to the moving rotor blades. Wide distance between
stators, fat body parts enter the rotor disk. Narrow clearance between
stators, thin body parts enter the rotor disk. Lose your hands, feet,
limbs up to the first joint, etc but (generally) not much more. Probably
not your head, though; strength of skull and sub-8" clearance between
stators would probably prevent this.

This does, of course, assume your body doesn't suffer from "catastrophic
and widespread loss of structural integrity." Christmas-tree failure
of compressor section due to effect of ingesting your headset, tools,
pens, pencils, etc would cause the motor to lose pressure pretty rapidly.

This is all opinion and theory, of course. In theory, it would seem to
me that it is very possible to survive being "partially ingested."

Not fun, but survivable. Assuming everything happens "just right," of
course.

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BUFFIRN

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Feb 14, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/14/96
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Apparently, KC-135's were notorious for this. I know that there now is a
rack that they put in front of the engine during runs to keep the troops
and other items out of harms way.

Jim Williams
Crusty old BUFF guy
"I speak for no one!"

Matthew Saroff

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Feb 14, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/14/96
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Hi,
I just wanted to relate a story from the book "Eighty Knots to Mach 2" by
Richard Linnekin (P 181) about the F9F Panther.
"I have a cartoon of the Panther era that illustrates a quaint aspect of
the pesky fuel control ajustment. The cartoon shows a front view of an
F9F. In one of the 2 bifurcated engine inlets the only visible sign of a
mechanic is the soles of his shoes; he is head first inside the engine as
far as he can go without disappearing completely from view. Incredible as
it may seem, this was the prefered position for the fellow ajusting the
fuel control.........That danger did not exist because the two intakes and
the blow in doors on the turtleback of the fusalage provided alternate
paths for inlet air..."
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sro...@kear.tdsnet.com

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Feb 15, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/15/96
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> r...@fc.hp.com (Ron Miller) writes:
> L. Katchur (lkat...@ccinet.ab.ca) wrote:
>
> : Could this be? How can a person jet sucked head first into a

> : jet intake, and not come out in tiny little pieces?
>
> : If anyone has more information about this could you please post
> : it?
>
> My father's F-4 squadron had a man go down an intake.
> The fellow's belt caught on an L shaped pitot tube in the inlet and hooked
> him solidly. His helmet, goggles and hearing protection trashed the engine
> but he was ok.
>
> This sort of thing can happen on a carrier flight deck, especially at night
> where all the airplanes are dark and you can't tell which ones are
> parked and which ones are turning and burning.
>
> Ron Miller
>
>>>>
Some of the airplanes I worked on the first set of blades on the jet engine don't move. It's the set behind the front ones that move.

Steve

Dave Barak

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Feb 15, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/15/96
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In article <N.021496.064943.55@jrweiss>, jrw...@seanet.com (John Weiss) wrote:

> > A few nights ago, I was watching a half-hour commercial about
> > a new set of military aviation videos. They were called 'The
> > Challenge of Flight Videos'. On this commercial they showed a
> > preview of film footage that could be seen if one gets the
> > whole set. In one sequence they showed a man on an aircraft
> > carrier get sucked into the jet intake of an A-6 (or at least
> > I think it was an A-6, the sequence went pretty quick). Once
> > the man was sucked in, you could see all kinds of flames and
> > debris going out the back end of the jet. My first thought was,
> > "Holy Hamburger" this guy is finished!!! But at the end of the
> > commercial, the announcer said something like this:
> > "Watch as a man gets sucked into a jet intake and SURVIVES"
> >

> > Could this be? How can a person jet sucked head first into a
> > jet intake, and not come out in tiny little pieces?
> >

> Yes, it is possible, and has happened several times.
>
> If the engine has a leading stator stage (inlet guide vanes) like the J-52 in
> the A-6 and EA-6, survival is probable if the engine is shut down immediately
> and the suckee rolls into a ball. The sparks, etc are usually the helmet and
> its fittings that get sucked from his head, and possibly tools from his tool
> pouch.
>
> If the engine is a fan, as in the A-7, survival is improbable.
> ----
> John Weiss -- jrw...@seanet.com

This in fact happened on the Carl Vinson (CVN70) while I was in the navy.
One of the final checkers had his cranial helmet sucked off his head and
into the engine. This may actually be the video you saw - I remember
seeing it replayed on the ship's TV several times.

--
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Bob Keeter

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Feb 15, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/15/96
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lkat...@ccinet.ab.ca (L. Katchur) wrote:

>"Watch as a man gets sucked into a jet intake and SURVIVES"
>
>Could this be? How can a person jet sucked head first into a
>jet intake, and not come out in tiny little pieces?
>

>If anyone has more information about this could you please post
>it?
>

There is a very good chance that a man going down an A-6 inlet will
produce enough inlet airflow distortion to cause a hard compressor
stall. When the compressor stalls it is not at all unusual to see
flames out the inlet. (also tools, cranial, mickey mouse ears, etc
might be going down the engine adding to the problem.) The (un)lucky
deck crewman ends up surviving because the engine stall literally
blows him out of the inlet before he ever gets close to the engine
compressor face.

Just a thought (because I do not think that there is any way to
chop the throttle quick enough to prevent a disaster in this
case. (Bet they dont show this happening with a C-2!)

Regards
bk

John O'Farrell

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Feb 15, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/15/96
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In article <4ft0tr$6...@gw.PacBell.COM>, pwg...@pacbell.com wrote:
> are not visible. Order the video package because "Final Approach" will
> facinate you if you are into the macabre, or it should sober you up if
> you have been slacking off on safety while flying.

How might one order this video?

Anthony Volk

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Feb 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/16/96
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Geez, I guess this is a good lesson to keep your head on a swivel when
you're on deck!

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Emmanuel.Gustin

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Feb 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/16/96
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BUFFIRN (buf...@aol.com) wrote:

: Apparently, KC-135's were notorious for this. I know that there now is a


: rack that they put in front of the engine during runs to keep the troops
: and other items out of harms way.

I believe that the British installed such racks on their first jet
fighters, and called them 'anti-Daunt guards' in honor of test pilot
Daunt, who was one of the first people to experience this...

Emmanuel Gustin


L. Katchur

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Feb 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/16/96
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In article <johno-15029...@johno-mac.synopsys.com>,
jo...@synopsys.com says...


There are actually 12 videos in the series. You start off with a preview
video that costs $5.00. Then you get a video a month for twelve months.
The video's are around $19.95 each, but you can cancel at any time.

If you have a web browser, go to: http://www.usfs.com

Or, just phone: 1-800-438-8737

br...@jax.jaxnet.com

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Feb 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/17/96
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lkat...@ccinet.ab.ca (L. Katchur) wrote:

>Could this be? How can a person jet sucked head first into a
>jet intake, and not come out in tiny little pieces?

>If anyone has more information about this could you please post
>it?

In the A-6 intakes there is a kind of screen. The guy's cranial (the
hard hat worn on the flight deck) came apart and FODed out the engine.
He was not uninjured.


John Weiss

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Feb 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/18/96
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> In the A-6 intakes there is a kind of screen. The guy's cranial (the
> hard hat worn on the flight deck) came apart and FODed out the engine.
> He was not uninjured.
>
No screen in the A-6 intake, except an external screen that can be put on
during ground maintenance.

min...@uslink.net

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Feb 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/18/96
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> r...@fc.hp.com (Ron Miller) writes:

> L. Katchur (lkat...@ccinet.ab.ca) wrote:
>
> : Could this be? How can a person jet sucked head first into a
> : jet intake, and not come out in tiny little pieces?
>
> : If anyone has more information about this could you please post
> : it?
>
> My father's F-4 squadron had a man go down an intake.
> The fellow's belt caught on an L shaped pitot tube in the inlet and hooked
> him solidly. His helmet, goggles and hearing protection trashed the engine
> but he was ok.
>
> This sort of thing can happen on a carrier flight deck, especially at night
> where all the airplanes are dark and you can't tell which ones are
> parked and which ones are turning and burning.
>
> Ron Miller
>
>>>>
Ron; When I was with VF 53 at Moffett Field in 57 there was a fellow that was suck into a jet Hi died and I
saw them washing out the parts near the blimp hangers the next day. I think that he was sucked off the
ladder while talking to one of the other mechs.
Jim in Minnesota

TSully464

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Feb 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/18/96
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A friend of mine in Navy flight school told me of how the hood of his
snorkle jacket (USAF) was sucked into an F-15 intake as a plane captain
ran engines up. I learnedthroughoutmy career of the many intake accidents
which have occured (hence the enormous red caution "Jet Intake" next to
every intake). A great piece of footage exists which shows a flight deck
aircrewman being sucked into into an A-6 Intruder intake aboard ship; two
quick re-acting shipmates pulled him out, his helmet saving him from the
compressor blades.

TSullivan in NYC

Jason Passmore

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Feb 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/18/96
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sro...@kear.tdsnet.com wrote:

>Some of the airplanes I worked on the first set of blades on the jet engine don't move. It's the set behind the front ones that move.
>
>Steve

Still, if an engine doesn't suck you through them like jello, it will hold
you up against them and pull the air from your lungs and suffocate you.
--
Jason Passmore
Mountain Home AFB


Andy Cragg

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Feb 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/19/96
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gus...@hhipe.uia.ac.be (Emmanuel.Gustin) wrote:

>BUFFIRN (buf...@aol.com) wrote:

RAF F-4's (FGR2's) used an intake guard, that was if the ground crew
bothered to use them!!!!!!.

There was a chap who was sucked into the intake of a Nimrod. During
engine runs the guy in the cockpit throttled the wrong engine up, and
the guy on the ground was wedged in by his shoulders. Apparently his
insides were sucked out.

A fireman was ingested by an F-16, as he knelt by the nose
undercarraidge (bit stupid if you ask me!!) but his breathing
apparatus saved him (it was during a practice emergency of a Hydrazine
leak), he emerged full of guts (but with soiled underwear!!!).

Andy.

James Beauchamp

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Feb 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/19/96
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In article <8246930...@akcnet.demon.co.uk>, an...@akcnet.demon.co.uk (Andy Cragg) says:
>
>A fireman was ingested by an F-16, as he knelt by the nose
>undercarraidge (bit stupid if you ask me!!) but his breathing
>apparatus saved him (it was during a practice emergency of a Hydrazine
>leak), he emerged full of guts (but with soiled underwear!!!).
>
>Andy.
>


I'm surprized the heated element didn't cut him in half. The
plane had to be at idle. At higher rpm's the equipment wouldn't have
helped.

JB

Buzz Nau

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Feb 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/19/96
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lkat...@ccinet.ab.ca (L. Katchur) wrote:

>A few nights ago, I was watching a half-hour commercial about
>a new set of military aviation videos. They were called 'The
>Challenge of Flight Videos'. On this commercial they showed a
>preview of film footage that could be seen if one gets the
>whole set. In one sequence they showed a man on an aircraft
>carrier get sucked into the jet intake of an A-6 (or at least
>I think it was an A-6, the sequence went pretty quick). Once
>the man was sucked in, you could see all kinds of flames and
>debris going out the back end of the jet. My first thought was,
>"Holy Hamburger" this guy is finished!!! But at the end of the
>commercial, the announcer said something like this:

>"Watch as a man gets sucked into a jet intake and SURVIVES"

Before I got to VA-115 in 1981 an AE went down an A-6 intake and
survived. He hit the bullet with the base of neck and paralized him
from the neck down. The first set of baldes on the A-6 are fixed so
that probably save him too.

A buddy of mine from VA-128 was on the Enterprise when a guy got ate
up by an S-3. He didn't make it.

At idle you're pretty safe around intakes. NATOPS manuals show danger
areas at different throttle settings. I've climbed in nose wheel wells
while the engines were going to replace avionics gear and and the
intakes are even with the NWW. I never noticed a pull but you
definitly know to exit the NWW towards the aft end.

To be honest, you stood a better chance of being hurt from exhaust
than intakes. I can't remember how many times I saw blue shirts turn
into human bowling balls. ;-)

Buzz
========================================================
Evan "Buzz" Nau
University of Michigan - Medical School Administration
buz...@umich.edu / http://www-personal.umich.edu/~buzznau/
========================================================


Dave Barak

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Feb 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/20/96
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In article <4gaaa0$e...@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Buz...@umich.edu
wrote:


> To be honest, you stood a better chance of being hurt from exhaust
> than intakes. I can't remember how many times I saw blue shirts turn
> into human bowling balls. ;-)

We had a final checker on the Vinson who was finishing up with an A6 on
one of the cats. A director misdirected an A7, and its exhaust blew the
final checker into the (I believe) full power exhaust of the A6. He ended
up getting burned and thrown into the jet blast deflecter. His cranial was
knocked off, and he was thrown quite high in the air and then into the
water. He didn't live long after that.

Bob Baker

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Feb 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/21/96
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When I was stationed on a SAC base (Schilling AFB in Salina, KS) in 1958
we had a young, light weight mechanic sucked an engine and came away with
only a broken shoulder. The engine was on a test stand and his hat and
hat pin and the small wrench in his hand went through to total the
engine. Which by the way was a J-79 outboard enging to a B-47.

I don't know about the modern military but in those days he had to pay
$50.00 amonth for a year to pay for the engine. Of course that came no
where near paying for it but it did give the rest of us something to
think about when we were near a running engine and you were only making
$108.00 a month.


Jerome Dawson

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Feb 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/22/96
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I can recall some video shot by an infra-red camera on a US Navy carrier of
a guy getting sucked into the port intake of an A-6. He was saved because
his helmet came off and fodded-out the engine.

The action was rather hard to see but, once you knew what you were seeing,
it was dramatic!

Cheers!

Jerome


Sandy Redding

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Feb 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/22/96
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Dave Barak wrote:
>
> In article <4gaaa0$e...@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Buz...@umich.edu
> wrote:
>
> > To be honest, you stood a better chance of being hurt from exhaust
> > than intakes. I can't remember how many times I saw blue shirts turn
> > into human bowling balls. ;-)
>
> We had a final checker on the Vinson who was finishing up with an A6 on
> one of the cats. A director misdirected an A7, and its exhaust blew the
> final checker into the (I believe) full power exhaust of the A6. He ended
> up getting burned and thrown into the jet blast deflecter. His cranial was
> knocked off, and he was thrown quite high in the air and then into the
> water. He didn't live long after that.
>
I remember that one. It was at cat 3. After that incident, there are now two final
checkers on that cat. One to watch towards cats 1 and 2 as well as the one working cat
3.

sr

Dave Barak

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Feb 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/22/96
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In article <312C86...@blues.chinalake.navy.mil>,
sred...@blues.chinalake.navy.mil wrote:

> > We had a final checker on the Vinson who was finishing up with an A6 on
> > one of the cats. A director misdirected an A7, and its exhaust blew the
> > final checker into the (I believe) full power exhaust of the A6. He ended
> > up getting burned and thrown into the jet blast deflecter. His cranial was
> > knocked off, and he was thrown quite high in the air and then into the
> > water. He didn't live long after that.
> >
> I remember that one. It was at cat 3. After that incident, there are
now two final
> checkers on that cat. One to watch towards cats 1 and 2 as well as the
one working cat
> 3.

Were you on the Vinson? If so, when and where? Just curious to see if out
paths crossed.

Buzz Nau

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Feb 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/22/96
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ba...@flinet.com (Dave Barak) wrote:

>In article <4gaaa0$e...@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Buz...@umich.edu
>wrote:
>
>> To be honest, you stood a better chance of being hurt from exhaust
>> than intakes. I can't remember how many times I saw blue shirts turn
>> into human bowling balls. ;-)

>We had a final checker on the Vinson who was finishing up with an A6 on


>one of the cats. A director misdirected an A7, and its exhaust blew the
>final checker into the (I believe) full power exhaust of the A6. He ended
>up getting burned and thrown into the jet blast deflecter. His cranial was
>knocked off, and he was thrown quite high in the air and then into the
>water. He didn't live long after that.

The only guy we lost on the flight deck while I was there was some
damn meterologist I believe, that wasn't even supposed to be up there.
It was at night and he walked right behind a turning A7 that had
pulled forward. SAR helo found him, his dye marker, strobe, float coat
all worked. They diver couldn't get the harness around the float coat
because it was so full. Before the diver could let some air out it the
guy took it off. The diver had a hold of him but a wave broke them
apart and he never saw him after that. HC-1's berthing was right next
to mine and some of the guys told me that the SAR diver had nightmares
for months.

We also had a F4 TS get picked up and dumped in the catwalk. Left a
lot of blood but they said he was OK. I got caught walking an A6 up to
the cats behind a Prowler. I was on the starboard side of the A6
taxing to the port cat. I didn't have time to get out of there before
the EA6B went to high power so I had to hang on the the forward main
landing gear door. It picked my feet up off the deck and my legs were
banging around in the wheel well. I had a death grip on that door and
with my goggles blown off and cranial choking me to death I could see
my other troubleshooters between the cats pointing and laughing their
asses off. Whatta bunch a pr**ks ;-)

John Covington

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Feb 23, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/23/96
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We would often follow up that hand signal with another one, which was
lifting your lower leg out to the side, and slapping the side of your
foot, so all together, the message was, "Pull your head out, you
stupid boot!" (slang for boot-camp, or a newbie in the fleet)

Buzz...@msn.com

"If you're scared, say you're scared."

Juan Carlos Barroux R. - SunService

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Feb 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/24/96
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In article 2...@madrone.foothill.net, Bob Baker <rba...@foothill.net> writes:
>
> I don't know about the modern military but in those days he had to pay
> $50.00 amonth for a year to pay for the engine. Of course that came no
> where near paying for it but it did give the rest of us something to
> think about when we were near a running engine and you were only making
> $108.00 a month.


This is crazy...

Do a pilot get a deduction from his/her paycheck each time [s]he
crashes a plane?

Is this a normal practice in the US Air Force? In the Navy? Anywhere
else?

j.c.

Dave Barak

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Feb 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/24/96
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In article <4gkql3$l...@nexen.nexen.com>, mad...@nexen.com (Andrew
Madison) wrote:

> All this talk of flight deck crew getting caught unawares reminds me of
> something on "Wings" or TLC anyway. Some carrier was going back into
> service and the crew hadn't performed flight operations for awhile. As
> I learned on the show, hand signals are extensively used on the flight
> deck. One hand signal was a motion where one hand wraps the fingers
> around the fist of the other. The signal was to rapidly yank the cupped
> hand off the fisted one. This motion was supposedly to indicate to the
> other person to "get your head out of your *ss".
>
> How true is this hand signal? Or was it better to just indicate the
> exact imminent threat to the other person?

It's a real, non-official signal that's usually used in more relaxed
times... <G> However, if I remember correctly, there's a similar signal
(fist pulled down from flat hand with the palm down) that means to lower
the tailhook for a check, or some such thing. Someone correct me if I'm
wrong...

Wayne Johnson

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Feb 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/24/96
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bar...@licancabur.corp.sun.com (Juan Carlos Barroux R. - SunService)
wrote:


> This is crazy...

> j.c.
>

It was probably a fine for punishment, not an attempt to pay for the
engine.

Wayne Johnson
cia...@ix.netcom.com


MARK DONALDSON

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Feb 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/25/96
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In article <barak-24029...@wpb60.flinet.com> ba...@flinet.com (Dave Barak) writes:

>It's a real, non-official signal that's usually used in more relaxed
>times... <G> However, if I remember correctly, there's a similar signal
>(fist pulled down from flat hand with the palm down) that means to lower
>the tailhook for a check, or some such thing. Someone correct me if I'm
>wrong...

I thought that signal meant to lower the hook so that the arrestor gear could
be completely released. I think I remember seeing this on the film that is on
the CD for Fleet Defender Gold. I believe that the film was done by
Time-Warner.

Of course, I could be wrong due to the editing.


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Dave Barak

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Feb 26, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/26/96
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In article <mdonalds.6...@calumet.yorku.ca>,
mdon...@calumet.yorku.ca (MARK DONALDSON) wrote:

> I thought that signal meant to lower the hook so that the arrestor gear could
> be completely released. I think I remember seeing this on the film that is on
> the CD for Fleet Defender Gold. I believe that the film was done by
> Time-Warner.
>
> Of course, I could be wrong due to the editing.

You could be right. I'd consider myself lucky if I remembered just the
"hook" part... <G>

CJ Martin

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Feb 26, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/26/96
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In article <4ghr2m$m...@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>,
Buz...@umich.edu (Buzz Nau ) wrote:

[snip]

>We also had a F4 TS get picked up and dumped in the catwalk. Left a
>lot of blood but they said he was OK. I got caught walking an A6 up to
>the cats behind a Prowler. I was on the starboard side of the A6
>taxing to the port cat. I didn't have time to get out of there before
>the EA6B went to high power so I had to hang on the the forward main
>landing gear door. It picked my feet up off the deck and my legs were
>banging around in the wheel well. I had a death grip on that door and
>with my goggles blown off and cranial choking me to death I could see
>my other troubleshooters between the cats pointing and laughing their
>asses off. Whatta bunch a pr**ks ;-)
>
>Buzz

Hehe, that stuff brings back some memories...

On the America, we used to take new guys over to el 4, where several of our
F-14's would usually be spotted prior to a launch. All you had to do was wait
for them to shoot the KA-6D off of cat 4 (the one with the tiny, near worthless
JBD), and watch the new guys as they learn what it is like to be a baked potato!

We had a crew from my shop changing a radar box on a bird that was spotted on
the shelf between el 4 and the LSO platform. One of our jets was being taxied up
the deck into it's pre launch spot when it got hung up on the wires. The yellow
shirt directing the F-14 was getting upset that the pilot wouldn't goose the
throttle without making sure it was clear behind him. Finally, the yellow shit
ran back and made a quick (and piss poor) look behind the jet and motioned to
the pilot that he was clear. He wasn't. When he came up on power, those guys
back aft really got blown. The tool box went over the side (ever have to do all
the lost tool reports for an entire toolbox?), one guy got blow down into the
LSO platform, another guy held onto the just installed radar boxes handle as his
feet were blown out from under him, and the third guy, having no handle to grab
or padeye below him, latched onto the only other thing he could reach...the wire
bundles that run between the radar boxes. They held...barely. We had a lot of
wire repair to do on *that* jet afterwards...

CJ


Mark Panos

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Apr 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/19/96
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lkat...@ccinet.ab.ca (L. Katchur) wrote:

>A

Just watched this video last night, and WOW!!!!!!!

I think it may be the incident that CROW6 refered to.

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shipping. This is a 30 min preview video.

Mark Panos


SoBernardo

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Apr 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM4/19/96
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I guess that's what you'd call the ultimate blow job.

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