Af/Pak & Other News (2/29/2012)

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Wikileaks publishes claim about Pakistani knowledge of Bin Laden:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/02/wikileaks-publishes-pakistan-osama-bin-laden.html



Iran to supply Pakistan with 80,000 bpd of crude:

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-supply-pakistan-80-000-bpd-crude-111333076.html;_ylt=Asr7hl.JMwIldjBgblV0jwsBxg8F;_ylu=X3oDMTQzNmwydm03BG1pdANUb3BTdG9yeSBXb3JsZFNGIEFzaWFTU0YEcGtnA2MwOTM4MzkyLTBmMzEtMzM3Yy05Nzg1LWQyMTU0NWQ1NTNkZgRwb3MDMTgEc2VjA3RvcF9zdG9yeQR2ZXIDY2NiN2E2YTAtNjJjNi0xMWUxLWJkNWYtYzJjYmJkNzViOWFl;_ylg=X3oDMTF1N2kwZmpmBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZHxhc2lhBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3



M1117 Family ASVs for the Afghan National Army:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/M1117-ASVs-for-the-Afghan-National-Army-06750/



Afghan forces face threat from within, says official:

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23994:afghan-forces-face-threat-from-within-says-official&catid=3:Civil%20Security&Itemid=113




Sergeant talks about attack on his unit in Afghanistan:

http://www.defencetalk.com/sergeant-talks-attack-unit-afghanistan-40674/




India getting C-130J hurricane hunter:

http://alert5.com/2012/02/29/india-getting-c-130j-hurricane-hunter/



New Delhi attack plot foiled: home minister:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gppbsiJqhSgpw_og9zTgYmX-qmJA?docId=CNG.0e5ff74bcd4af58496be9afeaa19de8b.6a1



Air Force Chief: What Would Bombing Iran Do, Exactly?:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/02/air-force-iran-bombing/



Gulf Chokepoint: Seafox Saves the Day?:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Gulf-Chokepoint-Seafox-Saves-the-Day-07318/




Iran warns Azerbaijan over Israeli ‘arms buy’:

http://www.defencetalk.com/iran-warns-azerbaijan-over-israeli-arms-buy-reports-40679/



WikiLeaks: Russia gave Israel Iranian system's codes:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4196367,00.html



Fears grow of Israel-Iran missile shootout:

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/28/10534518-fears-grow-of-israel-iran-missile-shootout



Israeli troops raid 2 private Palestinian TV stations in West Bank,
confiscate equipment:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israeli-troops-raid-private-palestinian-tv-station-confiscate-equipment-broadcaster-says/2012/02/29/gIQAJ4dahR_story.html



Elite Syrian army units attack rebel districts:

http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAL5E8DB0BH20120229



Smuggling "path of death" a lifeline for Syria revolt:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-lebanon-syria-smugglerstre81s0t8-20120229,0,3249169.story



Libya militia boss says not ready to lay down arms:

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23930:libya-militia-boss-says-not-ready-to-lay-down-arms&catid=49:National%20Security&Itemid=115




Two hostages killed as Danish warship fires on Somali pirates:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/02/two-hostages-killed-as-danish-warship-opens-fire-on-somali-pirate-boat.html



US says North Korea agrees to nuclear moratorium:

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/29/10539195-us-says-north-korea-agrees-to-nuclear-moratorium



S. Korea Develops Active Protection System for Armor:

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20120228/DEFREG02/302280010/S-Korea-Develops-Active-Protection-System-Armor?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE



PACOM Chief Balks At F-16 Upgrades For South Korea:

http://defense.aol.com/2012/02/28/pacom-chief-balks-at-f-16-upgrades-for-south-korea/



Japan's defence chief 'may cancel' F-35 deal:

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_772042.html



Russian navy signs for MiG-29K fighters:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/russian-navy-signs-for-mig-29k-fighters-368938/




Su-24 Bombers Resume Flights After Crash:

http://en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120228/171586837.html




Su-30MK2 crashed after catching fire:

http://alert5.com/2012/02/29/su-30mk2-crashed-after-catching-fire/



UK reveals scope of 'Seedcorn' maritime patrol project:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/uk-reveals-scope-of-seedcorn-maritime-patrol-project-368936/



Colombia buys submarines in anti-drug war:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Colombia_buys_submarines_in_anti-drug_war_999.html



Interpol Says 25 Suspected ‘Anonymous’ Hackers Arrested:

http://techland.time.com/2012/02/28/interpol-says-25-suspected-anonymous-hackers-arrested/



Fast cars and a Cold War icon: U-2 spy planes keep watch on North
Korea:

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/29/10538101-fast-cars-and-a-cold-war-icon-u-2-spy-planes-keep-watch-on-north-korea



MC-12: Wine ferry to drug hunter:

http://www.dodbuzz.com/2012/02/28/mc-12-wine-ferry-to-drug-hunter/




Weather-Studying Warthog: A Fixed-Up A-10 Will Fly Into Thunderstorms:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/natural-disasters/weather-studying-warthog-a-fixed-up-a-10-will-fly-into-thunderstorms



Data link network key to countering EW attack:

http://alert5.com/2012/02/29/data-link-network-key-to-countering-ew-attack/



SpectIR IRST System Demonstrates Capability During Air National Guard
Live Fire Test:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/SpectIR_IRST_System_Demonstrates_Capability_During_Air_National_Guard_Live_Fire_Test_999.html



Mexican army finds costume helmets used during drug cartel initiation:

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/28/10534796-mexican-army-finds-costume-helmets-used-during-drug-cartel-initiation



TRANSCOM Pegged As Prime Target For Cyberattacks:

http://defense.aol.com/2012/02/28/transcom-pegged-as-prime-target-for-cyberattacks/



Surveillance Airship Takes Shape:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/aviation_week/on_space_and_technology/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3aa68cb417-3364-4fbf-a9dd-4feda680ec9cPost%3a1ee2437c-57aa-485e-91e0-2b04301745f3



Top USAF general explains EXACTLY how to kill an F-22:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2012/02/top-usaf-general-explains-exac.html



Debate Boils Over Whether Army's JTRS Radio Can Be Jammed:

http://defense.aol.com/2012/02/27/is-armys-new-jtrs-radio-vulnerable-to-jamming/



Raytheon tests new rocket motor for TOW:

http://alert5.com/2012/02/29/raytheon-tests-new-rocket-motor-for-tow/



USAF Cancels Super Tucanos; Investigates:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awx/2012/02/28/awx_02_28_2012_p0-430489.xml&headline=USAFCancelsSuperTucanos;Investigates&channel=defense



New Navy Rail Gun Fires 50 Miles With No Propellant: Latest Tests Use
Smaller Guns:

http://defense.aol.com/2012/02/28/new-navy-rail-gun-fires-50-miles-with-no-propellant-latest-test/



The Fall of Stratfor:

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2012/02/the-fall-of-stratfor.html



Picking up the pieces:

http://www.dodbuzz.com/2012/02/29/picking-up-the-pieces/



Russian Mogul’s Plan: Plant Our Brains in Robots, Keep Them Alive
Forever:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/02/dmitry-itskov/

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Sorry for the double post. I'm having link problems today.

Andrew Swallow

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Feb 29, 2012, 8:32:48 PM2/29/12
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On 29/02/2012 21:26, dump...@hotmail.com wrote:
> US says North Korea agrees to nuclear moratorium:
>
> http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/29/10539195-us-says-north-korea-agrees-to-nuclear-moratorium

Here we go again. I wonder how long it will be before the next big bang?

Were those picture of North Korea being with out lights at night
genuine? Or were they say practising blackout during an air raid?

Andrew Swallow

Jonathan

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Feb 29, 2012, 9:21:39 PM2/29/12
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"Andrew Swallow" <am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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So far it looks like a very good sign from the new regime.
They supposedly agreed to international inspectors and
the whole works. Sure would be a great accomplishment
for Secretary of State Clinton if it pans out.

With some luck Iran too soon. Maybe they're starting to realize
having nukes doesn't scare us off, but instead causes us
to relentlessly go after them.



>
> Andrew Swallow


Dan

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Feb 29, 2012, 9:50:01 PM2/29/12
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On 2/29/2012 8:21 PM, Jonathan wrote:
> "Andrew Swallow"<am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:sv-dnVBhyo9RTNPS...@bt.com...
>> On 29/02/2012 21:26, dump...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> US says North Korea agrees to nuclear moratorium:
>>>
>>> http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/29/10539195-us-says-north-korea-agrees-to-nuclear-moratorium
>>
>> Here we go again. I wonder how long it will be before the next big bang?
>>
>> Were those picture of North Korea being with out lights at night genuine?
>> Or were they say practising blackout during an air raid?
>
>
>
> So far it looks like a very good sign from the new regime.
> They supposedly agreed to international inspectors and
> the whole works. Sure would be a great accomplishment
> for Secretary of State Clinton if it pans out.
>
North Korea has played this game before with both the Clinton and Bush
2 administrations.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Ian B MacLure

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Feb 29, 2012, 10:59:49 PM2/29/12
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Andrew Swallow <am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote in
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Dunno. But I suspect you'll find they've ben holding continuous
blackout drills for years now.

And apparently the US is to supply 240,000 tones of "nutritional
supplement" meaning people biscuits. FIrstly how are we going to
prevent them being diverted to the DPRK military ( or maybe we
are trying to provoke a mutiny? ) and secondly we must really
hate the Norks.

IBM

Andrew Swallow

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Feb 29, 2012, 11:40:00 PM2/29/12
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Where a country has a large conscript army that helps harvest the crops,
the difference between civilians and military in peace time is a little
academic. Feed both.

Andrew Swallow

Dan

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Feb 29, 2012, 11:47:55 PM2/29/12
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True, but they haven't had bumper crops lately. That has never kept
their fearless leaders from being a bit chubby.

Andrew Swallow

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Feb 29, 2012, 11:47:46 PM2/29/12
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Bread and circuses. I suspect that we need to supply the circuses as well.

Satellite TV with LED room lighting.
300W solar panes charging 24V dc batteries should provide sufficient power.

The 24V dc is to save the £1000 it costs to buy an inverter. Plus
internally electronics uses low voltage.

Andrew Swallow

Dan

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Feb 29, 2012, 11:56:21 PM2/29/12
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Nice idea, now how do you get the current fearless leader to allow
satellite television?

Andrew Swallow

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Mar 1, 2012, 12:05:23 AM3/1/12
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We 'lose' the next set of negotiations.
North Korea will also want 2 or 3 channels.

There is a mysterious weakness in satellite technology. Every few
months the channel numbers change. So they cannot censor by
confiscating the remote controls.

Andrew Swallow

Dennis

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Mar 1, 2012, 12:30:34 AM3/1/12
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North Korea *never has* lights at night, except for Pyongyang. Get a
satellite photo of that side of the world sometime; it's a shocker!

Dennis

Dan

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Mar 1, 2012, 12:42:56 AM3/1/12
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It should be interesting to see what would happen. If the population
is as brainwashed as seems to be the case it would be easy for fearless
leader to convince them it's propaganda.

Andrew Swallow

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Mar 1, 2012, 1:57:54 AM3/1/12
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It is the soap operas and adverts that will do it. South Koreans
talking to South Koreans and Japanese selling to Japanese.

We will need a Western propaganda channel or two to keep the North
Korean secret police busy. They will not believe the satellite
broadcasts are innocent so we had better give them something that is guilty.

Andrew Swallow

Dan

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Mar 1, 2012, 2:44:58 AM3/1/12
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Give them "Monty Python."

Kerryn Offord

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Mar 1, 2012, 3:04:32 AM3/1/12
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"Team America: World Police" :)

Kerryn Offord

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Mar 1, 2012, 3:09:04 AM3/1/12
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Just googled the string
satellite photo north korea night

and looked at "images"..
Definitely "surprisingly blank"

SolomonW

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Mar 1, 2012, 4:15:05 AM3/1/12
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On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:26:51 -0800 (PST), dump...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Wikileaks publishes claim about Pakistani knowledge of Bin Laden:
>
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/02/wikileaks-publishes-pakistan-osama-bin-laden.html

I am not that impressed with information from Stratfor

dott.Piergiorgio

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Il 01/03/2012 02:32, Andrew Swallow ha scritto:
> On 29/02/2012 21:26, dump...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> US says North Korea agrees to nuclear moratorium:
>>
>> http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/29/10539195-us-says-north-korea-agrees-to-nuclear-moratorium

On this, I think is an excellent improvement on US policy:

because the *military* win-hold-win strategy can't be sustained anymore,
the *diplomatic* holding is a worthwile handling of issues.

I infer that N. Korea issues and their brinkmanship
political-diplomatic-military strategy are now on check for the time
being, giving much more resources (not only military) for the pressing
issues in the current main hotspot....

Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.

bill

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Mar 1, 2012, 11:59:45 AM3/1/12
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I wonder who is paying them?

There's a reason why professional intelligence officers are kept away
from their customers.

If they're not they tend to say what they think their customers want them
to say so the funding keeps running.

Stratfor don't seem to have distanced their information collectors and
analysts from their customers at all.

--
"Hopefully the fair wind will resume, or this may well take all day."

Admiral Collingwood on being becalmed under the guns of six French ships-
of-the-line at Trafalgar

Vaughn

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Mar 1, 2012, 3:08:12 PM3/1/12
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On 2/29/2012 9:50 PM, Dan wrote:
>
> North Korea has played this game before with both the Clinton and Bush 2
> administrations.
>
If history is any guide...

They will happily take our aid. They might even behave for a while,
perhaps even for a year or two. Then the cheating will start! When the
cheating is discovered (It WILL be discovered, they're crude SOBs) they
will first obfuscate, and then threaten war. After a few years of
insanity, they will finally consent to "talks". At the bargaining
table, we will give them yet another round of aid as we simultaneously
declare victory.

Then the cycle will start all over again...

Vaughn


Jim Yanik

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Mar 1, 2012, 3:43:11 PM3/1/12
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Andrew Swallow <am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote in
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if you don't use a charge controller,your batteries will not last long.
plus,there aren't too many TVs that run on 24VDC,most will need an
inverter.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Dan

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Mar 1, 2012, 4:50:22 PM3/1/12
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Then go with 12 volt systems. There are televisions that run on 12
volts. Also, DC to DC converters can take 24 volts down to 12. In any
event, both inverters and DC converters consume electricity.

Chris

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Mar 1, 2012, 5:03:44 PM3/1/12
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True, but it seems clear that it is better for the world to have the
NorK's in some sort of agreement then have them misbehaving outside.
While limited they cheated a little bit here and there, and still got
aid. While not bound by any agreed upon limits they tested two nuclear
weapons. I think the evidence is that George W. Bush's decision to
withdrawn from our agreement with North Korea- which led to the two
nuclear tests- was a mistake, and that while we need to monitor and
look at their behavior, it is the better option.

They are malicious, evil people running the country. But the best of a
set of bad solutions is to wait them out and try to keep them from
getting too dangerous in the meantime, because the more fissile
material they produce the worse off the world is. (Military force was
not an option even before the nuclear test, because of the
vulnerability of Seoul.) China would prefer to keep them around as a
client state rather than have a united Korea on their border, so it is
not clear that they are nearly as vulnerable to regime change as Cuba
or Venezuela are[1].

[1]: Not suggesting any US involvement in regime change in either
country, just suggesting that domestic unrest/poor health among the
aging leadership generation of those two countries is going to be a
major problem for them, whereas NorK has demonstrated a reasonable
ability to handle succession: they are on the third generation of
leader now, which is exceptional for a authoritarian state.

Chris Manteuffel

Andrew Swallow

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Mar 1, 2012, 5:57:48 PM3/1/12
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True. The batteries will need some sort of charge conditioning so they
charge up during the day and run the LED room lights etc. at night.

As for 24 volts direct current TV, it is a standard operating voltage.
The equipment is designed to work in trucks and boats.
See this website advertising 24 volt equipment.
<http://www.roadking.co.uk>

I suggested 24V rather than 12V since it allows longer wires between the
roof and people's flats.

Andrew Swallow

Keith W

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Mar 1, 2012, 6:03:11 PM3/1/12
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With flat screen tv's you are dealing with electronics that will work fine
off 12v just fine. There is no high voltage CRT any more.

Keith


Jonathan

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Mar 1, 2012, 7:31:18 PM3/1/12
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"Vaughn" <vaugh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I'm not so sure. Imagine yourself in the shoes of this new fearless
leader. Dictators face a death sentence if they ever fall from power
and he can't think N Korea can hold on indefinitely.

So the new leader has a window where he's not directly responsible
for all the crimes of the past. If he acts quickly to cut a deal
with the west, then when the time comes, he has chance of
leaving power with his head attached.

And this deal came very quickly. I think before too long
we're going to see inside N Korea, and find a horror show
like few others, misery on a biblical scale.

We can go to the Moon, but half the world still lives
in the f'ing tenth century.


s



>
> Vaughn
>
>



dott.Piergiorgio

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Il 01/03/2012 21:08, Vaughn ha scritto:
> On 2/29/2012 9:50 PM, Dan wrote:
>>
>> North Korea has played this game before with both the Clinton and Bush 2
>> administrations.
>>
> If history is any guide...
>
> They will happily take our aid. They might even behave for a while,
> perhaps even for a year or two. Then the cheating will start! When the
> cheating is discovered

This is indeed the worst-case scenario, but what really count is the
"behave for a while" (USN can't deal contemporaneously with Iran *and*
NK, one must recognize this reality)

aside the surging of CVBGs, _both_ countries already has missiles *and*
WMD (chemical at least) and not few Arab peninsula will ask explicity
for USN BMD protection (whose as I always pointed, SM-6 armed CGs and
DDGs is by far the best coalition-building tool America has),

Side note, I suspect that around 2020 the classical US Presidential
inquiry "where are the CVs ?" became "where are the CVs and the CGs/DDGs ?"

dott.Piergiorgio

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Mar 1, 2012, 7:49:44 PM3/1/12
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Il 01/03/2012 23:03, Chris ha scritto:

> [1]: Not suggesting any US involvement in regime change in either
> country, just suggesting that domestic unrest/poor health among the
> aging leadership generation of those two countries is going to be a
> major problem for them, whereas NorK has demonstrated a reasonable
> ability to handle succession: they are on the third generation of
> leader now, which is exceptional for a authoritarian state.

On this point, I'm convinced that US is resigned to wait that the "peas
fall from the tree", as we say in Italy and enduring the "Franco still
not dead" boredom...

Jim Yanik

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Mar 1, 2012, 9:43:53 PM3/1/12
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Andrew Swallow <am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:dPudnXb4KMlyY9LS...@bt.com:
you have to prevent overvoltage,overcharging and sulfation.
all will kill lead-acid batteries(the usual storage battery) quickly.
NiMH and Li-ion are even worse.(plus more expensive)
>
> As for 24 volts direct current TV, it is a standard operating voltage.
> The equipment is designed to work in trucks and boats.
> See this website advertising 24 volt equipment.
><http://www.roadking.co.uk>

Ah,US stuff is mostly 12 volt.
then you have to worry about different TV standards. there are quire a
number of variations;NTSC,PAL,SECAM,and digital standards. do you recall
Comrade Obama's gift of a DVD player and a collection of DVDs to your PM?
In US standards,that aren't used in UK....what a class act Comrade is. :-)
>
> I suggested 24V rather than 12V since it allows longer wires between the
> roof and people's flats.
>
> Andrew Swallow
>


Jim Yanik

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Mar 1, 2012, 9:49:43 PM3/1/12
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"dott.Piergiorgio" <chied...@ask.me> wrote in
news:jKU3r.142727$GZ3....@tornado.fastwebnet.it:

> Il 01/03/2012 21:08, Vaughn ha scritto:
>> On 2/29/2012 9:50 PM, Dan wrote:
>>>
>>> North Korea has played this game before with both the Clinton and
>>> Bush 2 administrations.
>>>
>> If history is any guide...
>>
>> They will happily take our aid. They might even behave for a while,
>> perhaps even for a year or two. Then the cheating will start! When
>> the cheating is discovered
>
> This is indeed the worst-case scenario, but what really count is the
> "behave for a while" (USN can't deal contemporaneously with Iran *and*
> NK, one must recognize this reality)
>
> aside the surging of CVBGs, _both_ countries already has missiles
> *and* WMD (chemical at least) and not few Arab peninsula will ask
> explicity for USN BMD protection (whose as I always pointed, SM-6
> armed CGs and DDGs is by far the best coalition-building tool America
> has),

IIRC,AEGIS ABM missiles have a limited area coverage,that may not cover
cities and assets too far inland. I'm not sure if THAAD is ready yet.
>
> Side note, I suspect that around 2020 the classical US Presidential
> inquiry "where are the CVs ?" became "where are the CVs and the
> CGs/DDGs ?"
>
> Best regards from Italy,
> dott. Piergiorgio.
>

the US carrier groups include AEGIS missile cruisers and destroyers.
although not too many carry ABM capable Standards yet.

Richard Casady

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Mar 1, 2012, 10:07:19 PM3/1/12
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 22:57:48 +0000, Andrew Swallow
<am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote:

>I suggested 24V rather than 12V since it allows longer wires between the
>roof and people's flats.

It allows smaller wires. Half the weight of copper per foot. Two AWG
sizes[4 gauge numbers, the even numbers are the standard ones mostly
used], to be precise. And, of course, double the length for a given
size. As for lights, the ones I am looking into for a boat will run on
anything from 9v to 45v. They have a regulated power supply.

Casady

Andrew Swallow

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Mar 1, 2012, 10:38:31 PM3/1/12
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Yes something like this 24v 20 amp battery charge regulator will be needed.
<http://www.sunshinesolar.co.uk/khxc/gbu0-prodshow/REGULATOR20AMP.html>

>>
>> As for 24 volts direct current TV, it is a standard operating voltage.
>> The equipment is designed to work in trucks and boats.
>> See this website advertising 24 volt equipment.
>> <http://www.roadking.co.uk>
>
> Ah,US stuff is mostly 12 volt.
> then you have to worry about different TV standards. there are quire a
> number of variations;NTSC,PAL,SECAM,and digital standards. do you recall
> Comrade Obama's gift of a DVD player and a collection of DVDs to your PM?
> In US standards,that aren't used in UK....what a class act Comrade is. :-)
>>
>> I suggested 24V rather than 12V since it allows longer wires between the
>> roof and people's flats.
>>
>> Andrew Swallow
>>
>
>
Most UK stuff is 12 volts as well, because that is what cars use.

It costs about $2 to make a modern TV accept all the standards. It is
US *law* that prevents it. The Hollywood studios paid for the law.

In the request for information the TV standard used by the satellite
needs specifying. If you give the firms 6 months to reply they will
probably design 24 volt TVs (and systems) that meet the specification
for free since the quantities needed are large.

Andrew Swallow

Andrew Swallow

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We need to think carefully about the wires. They could be ~400W or they
could use 3kW wires.

In North Korea the buildings would then be wired for the house hold
devices the rest of the world will want to sell them after 'the wall
comes down'.


Off topic.

A 3kW solar system on the roof can power places like married quarters.
If you are going for green power apply it to your family.

In Iraq there were small outposts of 5-6 soldiers acting as police
stations. Getting fuel to them when the locals were unhappy got
difficult. Solar panels plus wind turbines can power devices like
microwave ovens, kettles, lights, radio transmitters and cooling fans.

Andrew Swallow

bill

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On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 20:43:53 -0600, Jim Yanik wrote:

> then you have to worry about different TV standards. there are quire a
> number of variations;NTSC,PAL,SECAM,and digital standards. do you recall
> Comrade Obama's gift of a DVD player and a collection of DVDs to your
> PM? In US standards,that aren't used in UK....what a class act Comrade
> is. :-)
>>

That's only a problem where you live.

Outside the reach of Mickey Mouse and his lawyers we all get to buy multi
standard TVs and multi region DVD players.

Only in the USA do silly rules stop people watching anything they wish to
watch.

Alex Potter

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Andrew Swallow wrote:

> A 3kW solar system on the roof can power places like married quarters.
> If you are going for green power apply it to your family.
>

Until they moved recently, my eldest daughter and her family, who live in
Devon, were not connected to mains electricity but used PV panels and
lead/acid storage batteries to supply their needs.

--
Alex

Andrew Swallow

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There are plenty of farms and hunting lodges that do not have mains
electricity.

When considering places like South America, Africa, India and China
there could be a big market for solar powered satellite TV and light.
The hire purchase arrangements are a matter for the commercial firms.

Andrew Swallow

Dan

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Mar 3, 2012, 10:38:23 PM3/3/12
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Add to that kerosene or propane powered refrigerators and life can be
good.

Jim Yanik

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Andrew Swallow <am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:5padnf23Puasfc_S...@bt.com:

> On 04/03/2012 01:23, Alex Potter wrote:
>> Andrew Swallow wrote:
>>
>>> A 3kW solar system on the roof can power places like married
>>> quarters. If you are going for green power apply it to your family.
>>>
>>
>> Until they moved recently, my eldest daughter and her family, who
>> live in Devon, were not connected to mains electricity but used PV
>> panels and lead/acid storage batteries to supply their needs.
>>
>
> There are plenty of farms and hunting lodges that do not have mains
> electricity.

and I bet they get their heat from burning logs,and do some cooking over
the fire. maybe even have a wood-burning stove or oven.
How many of those place use ONLY solar for their energy needs?
>
> When considering places like South America, Africa, India and China
> there could be a big market for solar powered satellite TV and light.
> The hire purchase arrangements are a matter for the commercial firms.
>
> Andrew Swallow
>



Daryl

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On 3/4/2012 10:03 AM, Jim Yanik wrote:
> Andrew Swallow<am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:5padnf23Puasfc_S...@bt.com:
>
>> On 04/03/2012 01:23, Alex Potter wrote:
>>> Andrew Swallow wrote:
>>>
>>>> A 3kW solar system on the roof can power places like married
>>>> quarters. If you are going for green power apply it to your family.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Until they moved recently, my eldest daughter and her family, who
>>> live in Devon, were not connected to mains electricity but used PV
>>> panels and lead/acid storage batteries to supply their needs.
>>>
>>
>> There are plenty of farms and hunting lodges that do not have mains
>> electricity.
>
> and I bet they get their heat from burning logs,and do some cooking over
> the fire. maybe even have a wood-burning stove or oven.
> How many of those place use ONLY solar for their energy needs?

I grew up in those places. We used coal for many of the heating
and cooking, not wood. Water was brought to the houses from
underground springs from a higher altitude so it had tons of
pressure when it went out of the tap. We used either coal oil or
Kerosene for lighting.

There was no "Reading in Bed". You had to set at a table with
your lamp on the same table close to you to read.

The Radio was battery powered.

The Rich used generators to supplement the other resources
available. Electricity was a supplement, not a main source.

And life went on.




>>
>> When considering places like South America, Africa, India and China
>> there could be a big market for solar powered satellite TV and light.
>> The hire purchase arrangements are a matter for the commercial firms.
>>
>> Andrew Swallow
>>
>
>
>


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http://tvmoviesforfree.com
for free movies and Nostalgic TV. Tons of Military shows and
programs.

David E. Powell

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On Mar 2, 9:26 am, bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 20:43:53 -0600, Jim Yanik wrote:
> > then you have to worry about different TV standards. there are quire a
> > number of variations;NTSC,PAL,SECAM,and digital standards. do you recall
> > Comrade Obama's gift of a DVD player and a collection of DVDs to your
> > PM? In US standards,that aren't used in UK....what a class act Comrade
> > is. :-)
>
> That's only a problem where you live.
>
> Outside the reach of Mickey Mouse and his lawyers we all get to buy multi
> standard TVs and multi region DVD players.
>
> Only in the USA do silly rules stop people watching anything they wish to
> watch.

Multi region DVD players have been available in the US for some time,
some hard core SF fans or fans of UK soaps over here are known to have
them.
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