What does the "Supermarine" mean?
Bill Silvey
apart by component, "Super" - above and beyond and "Marine" water...? I'm
confused.
--
http://home.cfl.rr.com/delversdungeon/index.htm
Remove the X's in my email address to respond.
Me: "What you have to understand, dear, is that the internet is a global
community...a village!"
My Wife: "And you're the village idiot, right?"
I hate furries.
Tom Schoene
"Bill Silvey" <bxsxixl...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:j0n0a.8595$AQ3.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> In the name of the Spitfire, what does "Supermarine" mean? Breaking it
> apart by component, "Super" - above and beyond and "Marine" water...? I'm
> confused.
It's the name of the company* that designed the plane. Supermarine Aviation
started out building high-speed seaplanes (floatplanes); Supermarine is a
pretty obvious reference to their hope that the planes would remain above
water.
* by that point Supermarine was actually a separate division of Vickers, but
you get the idea.
--
Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail
"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)
Bill Silvey
news:m8n0a.813$Hq5...@tornadotest1.news.pas.earthlink.net
> "Bill Silvey" <bxsxixl...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:j0n0a.8595$AQ3.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>> In the name of the Spitfire, what does "Supermarine" mean? Breaking
>> it apart by component, "Super" - above and beyond and "Marine"
>> water...? I'm confused.
>
> It's the name of the company* that designed the plane. Supermarine
> Aviation started out building high-speed seaplanes (floatplanes);
> Supermarine is a pretty obvious reference to their hope that the
> planes would remain above water.
>
> * by that point Supermarine was actually a separate division of
> Vickers, but you get the idea.
Ah so, thanks for the information. That had always bugged me. I didn't
know if it was some indication of mission or subtype or WHAT.
Thanks again.
ANDREW ROBERT BREEN
Bill Silvey <bxsxixl...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>In the name of the Spitfire, what does "Supermarine" mean? Breaking it
>apart by component, "Super" - above and beyond and "Marine" water...? I'm
>confused.
Exactly that "Above the Sea": Supermarine had started as flying boat
and seaplane specialists, round about the end of WW2. Wheeled aeroplanes
were something of a later departure for them. Even in WW2 a substantial
proportion of Supermarine aeroplanes were flying boats - Stranraer,
Walrus and Sea Otter were all flying boats.
Apart from anything else, they probably thought that "Supermarine"
sounded better than "Pemberton-Billings", which was the name they
used up to 1918.
--
Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group
http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/
"Who dies with the most toys wins" (Gary Barnes)
M. J. Powell
Schoene <tasc...@earthlink.invalid> writes
>
>"Bill Silvey" <bxsxixl...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:j0n0a.8595$AQ3.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>> In the name of the Spitfire, what does "Supermarine" mean? Breaking it
>> apart by component, "Super" - above and beyond and "Marine" water...? I'm
>> confused.
>
>It's the name of the company* that designed the plane. Supermarine Aviation
>started out building high-speed seaplanes (floatplanes); Supermarine is a
>pretty obvious reference to their hope that the planes would remain above
>water.
>
>* by that point Supermarine was actually a separate division of Vickers, but
>you get the idea.
I wonder where the Schneider Trophy is now?
Mike
--
M.J.Powell
Keith Willshaw
"M. J. Powell" <mi...@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:DPMr6keT...@pickmere.demon.co.uk...
The Science Museum in London along with the S6B and Rolls-Royce
R Engine
Keith
OXMORON1
Snippage
>Apart from anything else, they probably thought that "Supermarine"
>sounded better than "Pemberton-Billings", which was the name they
>used up to 1918.
The "Pemberton-Billings Spitfire" doesn't have that "Zing" does it?
Rick
ANDREW ROBERT BREEN
OXMORON1 <oxmo...@aol.com> wrote:
>A.R. Breed responded with:
/s/Breen/Breed, if you please ;) Thus far I've not bred..
>Snippage
>
>>Apart from anything else, they probably thought that "Supermarine"
>>sounded better than "Pemberton-Billings", which was the name they
>>used up to 1918.
>
>The "Pemberton-Billings Spitfire" doesn't have that "Zing" does it?
Not really. And their previous attempt at a high-performance day
fighter (before the original, unsuccessful Spitfire) had possibly
the worst name ever inflicted on a poor and largely inoffensive
aeroplane. Contemplate the "Pemberton-Billings Push-Proj"..
(The Push-Proj was, iiRC, a 1915 design for a high-performance
fighter with the engine behind the pilot driving a pusher
propellor. It was, for its day, very streamlined (the nacelle
in particular) and there were apparently ideas of calling it
the "bullet" - but instead it emerged as the "Pusher Projectile"
or "Push-Proj"....)
--
Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group
http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/
Feng Shui: an ancient oriental art for extracting
money from the gullible (Martin Sinclair)
Franck
av8r
Supermarine was the name registered to Noel Pemberton Billing's
telegraphic address. I here you saying to yourself, "Who in hell is
Noel Pembeton Billing!". Well, In October 1913, Englishman Noel
Pemberton Billing, who had began his venture into aviation back in 1904
by building a man lifting glider, decided to design and construct boats
that would fly. His aim was to build the antithesis of the submarine.
Pemberton's first flying boat was designated the Supermarine P.B. 1.
Pemberton went on to design more aircraft. At the end of 1916, the
company, under the direction of Hubert Scott-Paine, was renamed the
Supermarine Aviation Works Limited. Legendary aircraft designer and
most noted for the Spitfire, joind Supermarine in 1916.
Incidentally Bill, the original
Supermarine Works were on the River Itchen at Woolston, Southampton.
Hope that answers your question.
Cheers...Chris
John Halliwell
>The "Pemberton-Billings Spitfire" doesn't have that "Zing" does it?
Well, no, but they'd have used a different name instead, how about
"Pemberton-Billings Peashooter" perhaps?
I'm sure there have been far stranger names actually used...
--
John
Bill Shatzer
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Bill Silvey wrote:
> In the name of the Spitfire, what does "Supermarine" mean? Breaking it
> apart by component, "Super" - above and beyond and "Marine" water...? I'm
> confused.
The word was coined by Noel Pemberton Billing, one of the real rogues
of early aviation and one of the founders of the orginal Supermarine
company 1913.
Billing proposed to build a flying boat to exhibit at the 1914 Olympia
Show and coined the term "Supermarine" as being the opposite of
"submarine" as his craft would operate -above- the sea rather
than under it.
Cheer and all,
Joe Osman
You really busted my bubble. I thought they were named after
Chesty Puller.
Joe
-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----
Robert Briggs
> A.R. Breen responded with:
> > Apart from anything else, they probably thought that "Supermarine"
> > sounded better than "Pemberton-Billings", which was the name they
> > used up to 1918.
>
> The "Pemberton-Billings Spitfire" doesn't have that "Zing" does it?
Of course, they could have called it the Mitchell Spitfire.
Imagine sending that up to escort a Yankish bomber ...
Phillip Treweek
<mi...@pickmere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I wonder where the Schneider Trophy is now?
In the Science Museum, London. Take a look at
http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/images/main/01_ukmus/01SCIM09.JPG. You
can see the trophy in the cabinet to the rear that can be seen between the
floats of winning Supermarine S-6B S1595.
There are other pics from the Science Museum at
http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/science.html. I also have some pics of
Supermarine S.6A N248 from the Southampton Hall of Aviation at
http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/southampton.html.
Phil.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Phillip Treweek
Department of Computer Science ph ++64 7 838 4410
The University of Waikato fax ++64 7 838 4155
Private Bag 3105
Hamilton, New Zealand
'Kiwi Aircraft Images':
http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/aviation.html
---------------------------------------------------------------------
M. J. Powell
<keith_w...@compuserve.com> writes
Thanks. I have a vague idea that one of my COs in the RAF had something
to do with the races but I can't remember what exactly. I must read up
on them.
Mike
--
M.J.Powell
M. J. Powell
<nn_fr...@hotmail.com> writes
Thank you!
Mike
--
M.J.Powell
Ken Duffey
The Southampton Hall of Aviation S.6 can be seen at :-
http://www.spitfireonline.co.uk/popup/exhibit12.html
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ken Duffey - Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast
Flankers Website - http://www.flankers.co.uk/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
vincent p. norris
>company, under the direction of Hubert Scott-Paine, was renamed the
>Supermarine Aviation Works Limited. Legendary aircraft designer and
>most noted for the Spitfire, joind Supermarine in 1916.
Are you saying that Hubert Scott-Paine designed the Spitfire?
Not Leslie Mitchell?
vince norris
Dave Kearton
"vincent p. norris" <vp...@psu.edu> wrote in message
news:96a64vc97c0k4mahj...@4ax.com...
Leslie Mitchell ? The brother of the famous Ronnie Mitchell ?
Regards
Dave Kearton
av8r
Hi Vince
No, that's not what I am saying. It was R.J. Mitchell.
Semper Fi
Cheers...Chris
Steve Hix
"Tom Schoene" <tasc...@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
> "Bill Silvey" <bxsxixl...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:j0n0a.8595$AQ3.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > In the name of the Spitfire, what does "Supermarine" mean? Breaking it
> > apart by component, "Super" - above and beyond and "Marine" water...? I'm
> > confused.
>
> It's the name of the company* that designed the plane. Supermarine Aviation
> started out building high-speed seaplanes (floatplanes); Supermarine is a
> pretty obvious reference to their hope that the planes would remain above
> water.
It was also the company's wire address, I've heard stories that
have the company taking the wire address and vice versa...don't
which way it actually went.
vincent p. norris
Boy, my senility is getting worse! Wonder where I got that "Leslie"?
>
>Semper Fi
Semper Fi back atcha!
vince
Steve Hix
vincent p. norris <vp...@psu.edu> wrote:
> >No, that's not what I am saying. It was R.J. Mitchell.
>
> Boy, my senility is getting worse! Wonder where I got that "Leslie"?
Leslie Howard played Mitchell in "Spitfire", 1942, with
David Niven.
Peter Twydell
>>No, that's not what I am saying. It was R.J. Mitchell.
>
>Boy, my senility is getting worse! Wonder where I got that "Leslie"?
>>
Leslie Mitchell (1905-1985) was the first BBC TV presenter in November
1936. He worked in TV until 1973.
>>Semper Fi
>
>Semper Fi back atcha!
>
>vince
--
Peter
Ying tong iddle-i po!
M. J. Powell
<pe...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <6hq84v4lj4tedbpvf...@4ax.com>, vincent p.
>norris <vp...@psu.edu> writes
>>>No, that's not what I am saying. It was R.J. Mitchell.
>>
>>Boy, my senility is getting worse! Wonder where I got that "Leslie"?
>>>
>
>Leslie Mitchell (1905-1985) was the first BBC TV presenter in November
>1936. He worked in TV until 1973.
He was also the presenter when Marconi's demonstrated Colour TV to the
BBC and press in 1954. I was the cameraman.
Mike
--
M.J.Powell
vincent p. norris
movie, several times, whereas I didn't see or hear much BBC prior to
1985.
vince
Billy Wang
> "Bill Silvey" <bxsxixl...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:j0n0a.8595$AQ3.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > In the name of the Spitfire, what does "Supermarine" mean? Breaking it
> > apart by component, "Super" - above and beyond and "Marine" water...? I'm
> > confused.
>
> It's the name of the company* that designed the plane. Supermarine Aviation
> started out building high-speed seaplanes (floatplanes); Supermarine is a
> pretty obvious reference to their hope that the planes would remain above
> water.
>
> you get the idea.
During the period (early to mid 1930s) - wasn't all the major advances
in seaplane racing as far as speed? I thought a lot of the early WW2
fighters from the UK, Germany and Italy were based on racing
seaplanes? I though the UK and Italy had quite plane racing rivalry
sort of like Jag & BRM versus Alfa Romeo and Ferrari in race cars
mainly after the war.