NAZI flying saucer/diskus craft cockpit authentic (from IronSky)?
LIBERATOR
It looks very convincing, but we can't walk around in the saucer. Is
this a fighter craft only of which like the Haunebu or Jupiter 2 from
"Lost In Space".
Looks like what one would expect in a flying saucer.
I wonder where the time travel apparatus thingy is, I'm wondering how
they manipulate the matrix grid of all that we are to determine where
& when they want to manifest in time to experience that time and
place?
If anyone can pick it out of the control panel, pleas let me know.
All flying saucers are a time machine, correct?
David E. Powell
I like the future and past touches, the gauges, and up in the left
side it almost looks like a U-Boat diving depth gauge.
The sidestick controllers and the H R Giger feel mixed in. Whoever
rendered that really blended a lot of fantastical and real world
elements. Wonder if Independence Day was an inspiration too, though in
that one there were twin sticks for the one pilot.
Rob Arndt
No.
I believe that in the "Iron Sky" movie that the Nazis return from the
moon in 2018 to attack earth.
No time travel.
Thule and Vril with the SS E-IV Unit attempted
"channeled" (dimensional) space flight with the JFM, Vril 1, and a
Vril 7. The JFM failed early on, the Vril 1 test had unknown results,
and the single Vril 7 came back almost immediately severely damaged.
The only Zeitmaschine the Germans had was the the Bell Devive (Die
Glocke) and that disappeared with Kammler in April 1945 supposedly on
a Ju-390 to... ???? It has been rumored that Area 51 has a single
Ju-390 and if it does... then the cargo is what was important, not the
6-engined transport. Either it was transporting the Bell Device or
disc aircraft components- probably the latter as evidenced by disc
craft resembling Haunebu types flying at S4.
In the interview with Anna Kreisling where she flew a Ju-390, Pacific
Flyers (the mag sent me their articles) stated that there were more
than 2 Ju-390 and historians are starting to reach the same conclusion
with the timelines and events. There is no way that even two could be
several places in the world at the same time. For example, there was
always one held in reserve in Norway for Hitler to escape in. Another
was in Prague where the disc craft were tested and other secret
devices. There were trips to the US eastern seaboard and several trips
to Japan. More to Argentina and S America. Two doesn't cover all of
that. Several knowledgeable surviving LW personnell state that between
5-10 of them were built, many in component form shipped to assembly
areas like the Type XXI U-boats. KG 200 has info, but has never stated
how many were actually produced. Most of KG 200's history and function
is still shrouded in mystery even in 2010.
Anna Kreisling's files with the OSS/CIA were purposely destroyed and
she flew the Ju-390.
Food for thought...
Rob
Dean
Does anyone find it amusing that Iron Sky is a comedy? Looks like a
remake of Mars Attacks!
David E. Powell
Yes, it is a parody of sorts, it will be interesting to see where they
go with it.
I wonder if they will do the Bradbury twist where the invaders are so
outnumbered and awash in the culture of the earth than they become
taken over by it?
WaltBJ
> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4003/4480739305_4d1faa455c.jpg
>
>
> Looks like what one would expect in a flying saucer.SNIP
>
>
To any pilot it looks like it was designed by a Hollywood SFX trainee
on LSD, and a high school drop-out at that..
And what is that area light in a wire cage doing right up there in
front of both pilots? That'll sure help vision at night!
The WW2 gunsight reticle - nothing better than that for fire control?
No screens? Just lots of extraneous junk to get in the way and block
vision of what's going on outside?
Schlock, pure schlock, and ignorant schlock at that.
Walt BJ
Gordon
> All flying saucers are a time machine, correct?
all the ones I know are, yes.
Peter Twydell
<01bf8fd2-1a87-413b...@v20g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, Rob
Arndt <teut...@aol.com> writes
>All flying saucers are a time machine, correct?
>
>No.
>
>I believe that in the "Iron Sky" movie that the Nazis return from the
>moon in 2018 to attack earth.
>
>No time travel.
>
>Thule and Vril with the SS E-IV Unit attempted
>"channeled" (dimensional) space flight with the JFM, Vril 1, and a
>Vril 7. The JFM failed early on, the Vril 1 test had unknown results,
>and the single Vril 7 came back almost immediately severely damaged.
>
I've just bought some Thule roof bars for my car. If I could find a Doc
Emmet Brown/Christopher Lloyd lookalike in the village, do you think we
could build a time machine, or failing that, a levitation device?
--
Peter
Ying tong iddle-i po!
LIBERATOR
wrote:
I agree, it looks very real and gives you an awesome feeling.
LIBERATOR
It could be but it still looks like a real advanced control panel and
gives you the feeling of supremacy in technology.
Only Robbie Dale knows if any of it is authentic due to him being the
research expert on such stuff.
Dan
You know aren't believes what she posts, be gentle with her.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
LIBERATOR
I also agree those windows are way too small. I'd want a huge
windshield to have 180 degree span of vision. Bullet proof glass?
frank
> In message
> <01bf8fd2-1a87-413b-bf06-83e261ee1...@v20g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, Rob
> Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> writes
>
> >All flying saucers are a time machine, correct?
>
> >No.
>
> >I believe that in the "Iron Sky" movie that the Nazis return from the
> >moon in 2018 to attack earth.
>
> >No time travel.
>
> >Thule and Vril with the SS E-IV Unit attempted
> >"channeled" (dimensional) space flight with the JFM, Vril 1, and a
> >Vril 7. The JFM failed early on, the Vril 1 test had unknown results,
> >and the single Vril 7 came back almost immediately severely damaged.
>
> I've just bought some Thule roof bars for my car. If I could find a Doc
> Emmet Brown/Christopher Lloyd lookalike in the village, do you think we
> could build a time machine, or failing that, a levitation device?
>
> --
> Peter
>
> Ying tong iddle-i po!
How fast can you flap your arms for the levitation? That's the key.
Bonus points for the bouncy bouncy thing in the seat.
frank
> > Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> writes
> >> All flying saucers are a time machine, correct?
>
> >> No.
>
> >> I believe that in the "Iron Sky" movie that the Nazis return from the
> >> moon in 2018 to attack earth.
>
> >> No time travel.
>
> >> Thule and Vril with the SS E-IV Unit attempted
> >> "channeled" (dimensional) space flight with the JFM, Vril 1, and a
> >> Vril 7. The JFM failed early on, the Vril 1 test had unknown results,
> >> and the single Vril 7 came back almost immediately severely damaged.
>
> > I've just bought some Thule roof bars for my car. If I could find a Doc
> > Emmet Brown/Christopher Lloyd lookalike in the village, do you think we
> > could build a time machine, or failing that, a levitation device?
>
> You know aren't believes what she posts, be gentle with her.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
History International showed some stuff on cable, bad enough its for
domestic consumption, now its going world wide to make the US look
like a bunch of idiots...
Rob Arndt
Dan
Cute, but people have been using celestial navigation for thousands
of years.
Peter Twydell
<65e83f93-18ff-46d8...@v20g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
frank <dhssres...@netscape.net> writes
I don't think SWMBO would like to be referred to as that.
Considering the alleged properties of Thule articles, I thought that
something bearing that name would have magical powers, so no
ornithopteral manoeuvres required. Bolt 'em on, rev up and away we go.
It's not the best name I've ever come up with, but considering the car,
the device could be called "Back to Zafira". Or not.
Peter Twydell
writes
I tried being nice, but all i got in return was abuse. So it's "Set
phasers to sarky".
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
--
Keith Willshaw
"Rob Arndt" <teut...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:e7a6d9fd-45c8-40db...@z11g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> KT-P2 Celestial Navigation:
> http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/ktp2.html
>
> Rob
>
Oh dear Rob, reading that article it appears that you are citing as a
reference a man who
believes that Texans are jews expelled from a Nazi ruled New Mexico.
Bill Lyne is a whacko's whacko.
Keith
Jim Wilkins
> ...
>
> I've just bought some Thule roof bars for my car. If I could find a Doc
> Emmet Brown/Christopher Lloyd lookalike in the village, do you think we
> could build a time machine, or failing that, a levitation device?
Be patient, I'm still having trouble with the flux capacitor. Every
test piece sent into the future has come back radioactive and covered
with seaweed.
jsw
Dan
Soylent green?
Rob Arndt
<keithnos...@kwillshaw.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> "Rob Arndt" <teuton...@aol.com> wrote in message
Lyne has nothing to do with the actual device that was manufactured
and also might I add that it was YOUR scientists that had Coler build
a Magnetstromapparat (aka Gravitic Free-Energy Battery) postwar that
worked... and yet in the official BIOS Report YOUR brilliant
scientists freely admitted that the device worked, but that they _did
not_ know how!!!
How is it that the Walter turbine also worked for the Germans, but
postwar YOUR NAVY couldn't get a peroxide system to work in a sub???
I really do not care if Charles Manson was in a pic holding the KT-P2
as the _device_ warranted attention at a high-security US facility and
was discarded by accident later. Most of the best German secret
weapons were tested in New Mexico in secrecy and later shipped to Area
51.
Rob
Ken S. Tucker
Best sci-fi cockpit I can imagine is from Star Trek, I think her name
is Ohura.
Ken
Keith Willshaw
"Rob Arndt" <teut...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:e67e4985-356e-4e36...@11g2000yqr.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 10, 3:54�am, "Keith Willshaw"
> <keithnos...@kwillshaw.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> "Rob Arndt" <teuton...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:e7a6d9fd-45c8-40db...@z11g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > KT-P2 Celestial Navigation:
>> >http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/ktp2.html
>>
>> > Rob
>>
>> Oh dear Rob, reading that article it appears that you are citing as a
>> reference a man who
>> believes that Texans are jews expelled from a Nazi ruled New Mexico.
>>
>> Bill Lyne is a whacko's whacko.
>>
>> Keith
>
> Lyne has nothing to do with the actual device that was manufactured
Read the bloody page for heavens sake, it says
Bill Lyne displays what he says is a part of the guidance system for
a flying saucer
> and also might I add that it was YOUR scientists that had Coler build
> a Magnetstromapparat (aka Gravitic Free-Energy Battery) postwar that
> worked... and yet in the official BIOS Report YOUR brilliant
> scientists freely admitted that the device worked, but that they _did
> not_ know how!!!
>
That is your fantasy, please don't confuse it with reality
> How is it that the Walter turbine also worked for the Germans, but
> postwar YOUR NAVY couldn't get a peroxide system to work in a sub???
>
They got it to work in TWO subs, HMS Excalibur and HMS Explorer.
Both were in service for several years and acted as high speed
underwater targets. They were decommissioned when nuclear submarines
came along.
> I really do not care if Charles Manson was in a pic holding the KT-P2
> as the _device_ warranted attention at a high-security US facility and
> was discarded by accident later. Most of the best German secret
> weapons were tested in New Mexico in secrecy and later shipped to Area
> 51.
>
> Rob
>
Yep whacko central.
Keith
Rob Arndt
1. It was judged that Coler was an honest experimenter and not a
fraud, and due respect must be paid to the judgment of Frohlich in the
matter as deduced from his report to Seysen.
2. The result obtained was genuine in so far as could be tested with
the facilities available, but no attempt has yet been made to find an
explanation for the phenomenon.
3. It is felt that further investigation by an expert in
electromagnetic theory is warranted, and that Coler’s offer to
construct a model of the "Stromzeuger" should be taken up.
~ British Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee (BIOS)
Final Report # 1043
The Invention of Hans Coler, Relating to an Alleged New Source of
Power
As the KT-P2 is also an authentic celestial navigation unit
(manufactured by Litz, Patin, AEG, Siemens, and others)... please tell
me which German aircraft this was for and WHY there is a Thule Symbol
at the heart of it?
What was it doing at Sandia Labs???
No doubt you will just redirect or avoid these as there is no valid
explanation other than evaluation of advanced German technology
coupled with the US desire to exploit any new scientific advances the
Germans made.
Rob
Ken S. Tucker
There's a market for 1/2 assed sci-fi, I ate up the stuff when I was a
kid,
I think it fosters a interest in science to learn the difference.
(I'd go sofar as drawing spaceships and laying out control panels,
used
bobby pins to adjust the reading on meters, I was poor).
Ken
Rob Arndt
Re-post from 2007 (revised for the year 2010 and this thread):
Some obvious proven examples:
1) The Kertl Company helped build the Schauberger Repulsin discoid
test demonstrators in 1940 and photographic evidence exists of
Repulsin models A & B
2) Heinrich Focke had a 1939 German patent for his turboshaft driven
VTOL Fw Schnellflugzeug Rochen (mistakenly referred to as the Fw
VTOL)
3) Arthur Sack's AS-6V-1 circular a/c was approved by Udet and
constructed in 1944 using parts largely from a Me Bf 108 Taifun mated
to a Gottingen J1253 circular wing profile and witnessed by the Komet
pilots at Brandis- one even tried to fly it. Again, photographic
proof
as well- with specifications.
4) Declassified Allied intel reports from 1944 and 1945 identify the
Foo Fighter phenomenon over occupied Europe as PHOO Bombs of GERMAN
origin- that would include 3 types of craft: the AEG Kugelwaffen
sphericals, the WNF Feuerball ovoids, and Zeppelin Werke Kugelblitz
(which was also documented in a 1945 attack on a group of Liberators
to which the Allies accused Germany of using Firedamp artillery
shells). Similarly, the Foo Fighters were identified in the NY Times
and S Argus Herald in Dec 1944 and Jan 1945 as Nazi weapons.
5) Jim Wilson of Popular Mechanics obtained FOIA documents on the
German disc craft in 1995 with USAF admission that the Germans had
such craft during the war
6) Operation Bluebook (An official US Govt. Document) explains that
the only craft approaching the definition of UFOs of that time period
(1960s) were "certain developments in Germany at the close of WW2".
They are NOT referring to a Me-262 or any other jet technology which
cannot mimick a UFO performance in speed, agility, and impossible
feats that defy conventional physics.
7) There is also proof of hardware from the discs such as the proven
KT-P2 celestial navigation system recovered from Sandia Labs with the
Thule Sonnenrad logo manufactured by Siemens and AEG with
identification numbers and of the Coler gravitic free energy battery
of the British BIOS reports plus photographic proof of both.
So right here is 7 firm discs with patent, photographs, and official
US Govt. documents and admissions plus 2 components with
documentation, identification, and photographs.
You cannot dispute any of these.
Further circular winged VTOL craft include Muck's coleopter patent,
the Fw Triebflugel project, and the He Wespe & Lerche I & II
projects.
The problem with German disc a/c is the total lack of centralization
for the 30 projects and a total seperation from the RLM. The SS
Technical Branch and their support of both the Thule and Vril
Gesellschaften remain within the realm of Himmler's SS empire and not
subject to either the RLM nor Armaments Minister Speer who was
rebuked
by the SS over the "Flying Tops" as Speer recounts them in his book
"Infiltration". The Allies futher complicate the histories by
classifying them for 75 years along with a higher classification for
Kammler's most secret projects and "other" territories outside the
Reich with German elements that did not surrender in European Germany
in May 1945. That involves Argentina, Antarctica, and remote areas
like Tibet, not to mention the E European archives that were raided
by
the Soviets on their way to Berlin. Most of the occult discs and jet
disc fans were tested in Czechoslovakia, and Poland with only a small
number of discs actually tested in Germany, Italy, and Austria. So we
have all these nations involved in a massive cover-up: Germany,
Italy,
Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Russia, UK, US, and Argentina.
This, of course, does not even include the postwar continuation of
German disc technology by Lockheed, Northrop, Boeing, Repulic
Aviation, and NASA which means more classifications and
compartmentalization. Then there are all the records accumulated from
Wright Field- thousands of tons of classified German documents that
got passed about to a wide range of agencies and companies. Add intel
agencies like the OSS/CIA and the more modern NRO, NSA, DSA, and
DARPA
and there is no telling where all the German disc information is
scattered. The Germans themselves burned thousands of tons of their
own records and entire groups simply vanished off the face of the
earth in 1945 like Vril.
But curiously, right after the ban from 1945-55, former German
scientists and engineers applied for disc a/c and aerodyne patents
in
the US. They include Heinrich Focke, Heinrich Fleissner, Alexander
Lippisch, Hermann Klaas, Georg Klein, Henri Coanda, and Bruno
Schwentiet (for Richard Miethe and Rudolf Schriever). Funny, none of
these people worked with each other and were scattered in the Reich
during the war. then they were those that were coerced back to the US
and Avro Canada to work on discs postwar for various periods of time:
Richard Miethe, Viktor Schauberger, and the Hortens. None of them
could patent what they worked on since they were classified Govt.
projects. Again, none of these people worked with each other and yet
are all tied to disc development which had no military requirement
after the war at all.
That, by itself, should raise some alarms.
What is known is just the tip of a huge iceberg of Govt. deception
and
classified projects...
If people can't handle the truth, too bad. Someday sooner or later
the
discs will be revealed. Sixty-five years have passed... only 10 more
to
go for general German disc declassification (35 for Jonastal S.III).
Rob
Dan
<snip> the usual aren't horse hockey.
>
> If people can't handle the truth, too bad. Someday sooner or later
> the
> discs will be revealed. Sixty-five years have passed... only 10 more
> to
> go for general German disc declassification (35 for Jonastal S.III).
>
> Rob
>
I'm still waiting for you to provide us with proof of your 75 and 100
year classifications and the classification authority. What will you do
when the 10 and 35 years pass and the world isn't flooded with your
fantasy documents?
Keith Willshaw
"Rob Arndt" <teut...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:683fd1da-5555-4b35...@r1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> IV. Conclusions ~
> 1. It was judged that Coler was an honest experimenter and not a
> fraud, and due respect must be paid to the judgment of Frohlich in the
> matter as deduced from his report to Seysen.
> 2. The result obtained was genuine in so far as could be tested with
> the facilities available, but no attempt has yet been made to find an
> explanation for the phenomenon.
> 3. It is felt that further investigation by an expert in
> electromagnetic theory is warranted, and that Coler’s offer to
> construct a model of the "Stromzeuger" should be taken up.
>
> ~ British Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee (BIOS)
> Final Report # 1043
> The Invention of Hans Coler, Relating to an Alleged New Source of
> Power
>
> As the KT-P2 is also an authentic celestial navigation unit
> (manufactured by Litz, Patin, AEG, Siemens, and others)...
Says a whacko from New Mexico, try providing documentation to
support this assertion from Siemens, AEG etc if you want to
be taken seriously
> please tell
> me which German aircraft this was for and WHY there is a Thule Symbol
> at the heart of it?
>
That is the touch that the faker knew would really pull in the UFO nuts
> What was it doing at Sandia Labs???
>
Provide real evidence that it ever was there.
> No doubt you will just redirect or avoid these as there is no valid
> explanation other than evaluation of advanced German technology
> coupled with the US desire to exploit any new scientific advances the
> Germans made.
>
> Rob
>
Actually there is simple explanation. there is always lots of money to be
made from gullible idiots who swallow this crap and buy the books
Keith
Peter Stickney
Or, for that matter, if the stuff us so SooperSeekret, how does
Rob knows all about it?
(And the corollary question, if it's real, why hasn't he been silenced?)
--
Pete Stickney
Failure is not an option
It comes bundled with the system
Peter Twydell
<p_sti...@verizon.net> writes
That's the way They work. Everyone who is credible is
eliminated/disappeared/silenced (or becomes a politician, effectively
destroying their credibility). Whoever is left is cherished by Them and
left to tell the Truth, but no-one believes it because of what those
people are like. So They win and the rest of us are convinced that the
Truth Tellers are doolally to a greater or lesser degree. Just think of
some of the people They have allowed into this ng.
Hey, what's that outside my window? Wow, it's a black heli.....
Peter Stickney
> In message <1p4997-...@Heimdall.local.net>, Peter Stickney
> <p_sti...@verizon.net> writes
>>Or, for that matter, if the stuff us so SooperSeekret, how does Rob
>>know all about it?
>>(And the corollary question, if it's real, why hasn't he been silenced?)
>>
>>
> That's the way They work. Everyone who is credible is
> eliminated/disappeared/silenced (or becomes a politician, effectively
> destroying their credibility). Whoever is left is cherished by Them and
> left to tell the Truth, but no-one believes it because of what those
> people are like. So They win and the rest of us are convinced that the
> Truth Tellers are doolally to a greater or lesser degree. Just think of
> some of the people They have allowed into this ng.
>
> Hey, what's that outside my window? Wow, it's a black heli.....
Yeah - that would be Us, inviting you to the Annual Meeting.
No biggie, just have Moriarty pack the Jam-Tins and
we'll all meet at Death Grange, Slaughter Hill.
We may not have enough European-Type Brandy,
but Major Bludnock's Last Stand Homebrewed Whisky is
quite sufficent.
--
Pete Stickney
Ying tong iddle i po?
Yakka Boo!
Jim Wilkins
> ...
> Or, for that matter, if the stuff us so SooperSeekret, how does
> Rob knows all about it?
The tin foil ripped.
> (And the corollary question, if it's real, why hasn't he been silenced?)
Disinformation is more effective.
>
> Pete Stickney
Peter Stickney
Not just the US. Most of their documentaries are produced in Canada.
And the most egregious offenders - the
Secret Weapons of the Whoever series, featuring quickly done CGI
stuff, had its major input from George Kerevan, the Scottish Robert Arndt.
(Useless stuff)
Dan
Egad, they are reproducing like gray goo.