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Martin Sagara

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I am interested in the nicknames used for US Aicraft Carriers
(Forrestal and after). I would greatly appreciate any help
anyone could give me on the nicknames of these ships.
These are the ones I have heard of.

CV-59 USS Forrestal - ?
CV-60 USS Saratoga - Sara
CV-61 USS Ranger - ?
CV-62 USS Independence - Indy
CV-63 USS Kitty Hawk - The Hawk
CV-64 USS Constellation - Connie
CVN-65 USS Enterprise - Big E, Starship (Enterprise)
CV-66 USS America - ?
CV-67 USS John F. Kennedy - Big John
CVN-68 USS Nimitz - ?
CVN-69 USS Eisenhower - Ike
CVN-70 USS Carl Vinson - Battlestar
CVN-71 USS Theodore Roosevelt - The Big Stick

And I have no idea on the newer carriers:

USS George Washington, USS Abraham Lincoln, USS John C. Stennis,
USS Harry S. Truman, and USS Ronald Reagan.

Thanks in advance!

Martin Sagara "Never before have so many,
Research Associate understood so little,
Wings Over The Rockies Air and Space Museum about so much"
Hangar No. 1, Old Lowry AFB
Denver, Colorado USA James Burke speaking about
(303) 360-5360 technology in "Connections"
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msa...@rmii.com


Robert

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Martin Sagara (msa...@rainbow.rmii.com) wrote:
[...]

My recollection from out in the fleet...

: CV-59 USS Forrestal - ?

Forest fire

: CV-60 USS Saratoga - Sara


: CV-61 USS Ranger - ?

Danger Ranger

: CV-62 USS Independence - Indy


: CV-63 USS Kitty Hawk - The Hawk

Shitty Kitty

: CV-64 USS Constellation - Connie


: CVN-65 USS Enterprise - Big E, Starship (Enterprise)
: CV-66 USS America - ?

Ya know I did 2 Meds & the Persian Gulf War with her BG & I never once heard her
called anything but "America". Don't think there is a nick for her.

: CV-67 USS John F. Kennedy - Big John

JFK

: CVN-68 USS Nimitz - ?

Not sure.

: CVN-69 USS Eisenhower - Ike


: CVN-70 USS Carl Vinson - Battlestar
: CVN-71 USS Theodore Roosevelt - The Big Stick

Also heard TR.

: And I have no idea on the newer carriers:

: USS George Washington, USS Abraham Lincoln, USS John C. Stennis,
: USS Harry S. Truman, and USS Ronald Reagan.

: Thanks in advance!

: Martin Sagara "Never before have so many,
: Research Associate understood so little,
: Wings Over The Rockies Air and Space Museum about so much"
: Hangar No. 1, Old Lowry AFB
: Denver, Colorado USA James Burke speaking about
: (303) 360-5360 technology in "Connections"
: http://www.abwam.com/air&space
: msa...@rmii.com

--Robert

Steve Rogovich

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Sep 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/19/96
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Martin Sagara (msa...@rainbow.rmii.com) wrote:
: I am interested in the nicknames used for US Aicraft Carriers

: (Forrestal and after). I would greatly appreciate any help
: anyone could give me on the nicknames of these ships.
: These are the ones I have heard of.
:
: CV-59 USS Forrestal - ?
: CV-60 USS Saratoga - Sara
: CV-61 USS Ranger - ?
: CV-62 USS Independence - Indy
: CV-63 USS Kitty Hawk - The Hawk
: CV-64 USS Constellation - Connie
: CVN-65 USS Enterprise - Big E, Starship (Enterprise)
: CV-66 USS America - ?
: CV-67 USS John F. Kennedy - Big John
: CVN-68 USS Nimitz - ?
: CVN-69 USS Eisenhower - Ike
: CVN-70 USS Carl Vinson - Battlestar
: CVN-71 USS Theodore Roosevelt - The Big Stick
:
: And I have no idea on the newer carriers:
:
: USS George Washington, USS Abraham Lincoln, USS John C. Stennis,
: USS Harry S. Truman, and USS Ronald Reagan.
:
: Thanks in advance!
:
: Martin Sagara "Never before have so many,
: Research Associate understood so little,
: Wings Over The Rockies Air and Space Museum about so much"
: Hangar No. 1, Old Lowry AFB
: Denver, Colorado USA James Burke speaking about
: (303) 360-5360 technology in "Connections"
: http://www.abwam.com/air&space
: msa...@rmii.com
:

I can tell you that the gay sailors aboard these ships refer to
the ship by the name of the wife of who the ship is named for. For example

Kennedy = Jackie
Eisenhower = Mamie
Washington = Martha

No doubt Reagan will be called "Nancy" , etc.

I have overheard these many times around the waterfront.is

--

Steve Rogovich ste...@infi.net
Norfolk, Virginia USA


Mike Yukish

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Sep 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/19/96
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In article <51q0vg$k...@portal.gmu.edu> Robert,

rkau...@osf1.gmu.edu writes:
>: CV-66 USS America - ?
>
> Ya know I did 2 Meds & the Persian Gulf War with her BG & I never once heard her
>called anything but "America". Don't think there is a nick for her.
>

I have heard it referred to as the 'Am-ma-REE-ka' among
the airwing.

Don't forget our recently departed, the USS Coral Sea,
known as the 'Coral Maru'.

Also was the USS Lexington, known as the Lady Lex. Also
known as 'Sex on the Lex' after they integrated the crew.
If the ship's rockin'...'


Mike Yukish
Applied Research Lab
may...@psu.edu
http://elvis.arl.psu.edu/~may106/

W.E. Nichols

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ste...@infi.net (Steve Rogovich) wrote:

+ I can tell you that the gay sailors aboard these ships refer to
+the ship by the name of the wife of who the ship is named for. For example
+
+Kennedy = Jackie
+Eisenhower = Mamie
+Washington = Martha
+
+ No doubt Reagan will be called "Nancy" , etc.
+
+ I have overheard these many times around the waterfront.is

Well, you must be one of those "cock suckers" and hang around the water
front with them, because this is pure unadultrated bull shit.

Nick

CDR USNret

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<I am interested in the nicknames used for US Aicraft Carriers
<(Forrestal and after). I would greatly appreciate any help
<anyone could give me on the nicknames of these ships.
<These are the ones I have heard of.

In addition to the previous responses, I seem to recall:

Forrestal: FID (derived from official motto- First In Defense)
Forestfire (due to at least two unfortunate incidents)

Saratoga: Scare-atoga
Sorry Sara (how we referred to her due to her sorry assed
condition prior to SLEP. name just
stuck)

Kitty hawk: Shitty Kitty

James Corley

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In <51phl4$g...@natasha.rmii.com> msa...@rainbow.rmii.com (Martin

Sagara) writes:
>
>I am interested in the nicknames used for US Aicraft Carriers
>(Forrestal and after). I would greatly appreciate any help
>anyone could give me on the nicknames of these ships.
>These are the ones I have heard of.
>
>CV-59 USS Forrestal - ?

Forrestfire
Firestal
I know, these are PI nowadays, but they are names that came around when
I was a youngester. Having had several widows as teachers (Pepsi-
cola... er, Pensacola) I don't really like them either, but they are
there, and to deny that is wrong.

>CV-60 USS Saratoga - Sara

Suckin' Sara
Sorry Sara

>CV-61 USS Ranger - ?

Danger Ranger (comic/cartoon hero? IIRC)

>CV-62 USS Independence - Indy

Indy Maru is a new one I've heard recently, but NOT from crew or other
navy people)

>CV-63 USS Kitty Hawk - The Hawk

The Pussy Hawk....from one of the crew from Indy (and I suppose others)


>CV-64 USS Constellation - Connie
>CVN-65 USS Enterprise - Big E, Starship (Enterprise)

>CV-66 USS America - ?

>CV-67 USS John F. Kennedy - Big John
>CVN-68 USS Nimitz - ?
>CVN-69 USS Eisenhower - Ike
>CVN-70 USS Carl Vinson - Battlestar
>CVN-71 USS Theodore Roosevelt - The Big Stick
>
>And I have no idea on the newer carriers:
>
>USS George Washington,
>USS Abraham Lincoln,

Abe, Honest Abe

>USS John C. Stennis,

I have heard her called "Johnny Reb"....HONEST....most likely inspired
by "Debt of Honor," but it seems to be sticking. Don't know if Mr
Clancy had talked to the precom unit or came up with it himself.

>USS Harry S. Truman,

>USS Ronald Reagan.


TMO/TX

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In article <51qmeq$r...@nw101.infi.net> ste...@infi.net (Steve Rogovich) writes:

>Martin Sagara (msa...@rainbow.rmii.com) wrote:

>: I am interested in the nicknames used for US Aicraft Carriers
>: (Forrestal and after).

How about before Forrestal? Great ships like Shangri-La (CVA-38), a romantic
name with literary connections, a ship paid for by US Savings Bonds, a ship
which bore the name of a popular romantic song (recorded by many, even Willie
Nelson, later) but less than romantic nicknames, "Shang" or "Shancre (sic),"
the second a testimony to her VD rate, higher in her home port (Mayport), than
when deployed, the only ship in the fleet which wore her rat guards reversed
to protect foreign ports from her rats.

That's right, "hers!" This political arse-licking of nameing carriers for
politicians, some of whom have little fame and only local merit, is enough to
make sensible sailors puke. Great battles, Great ships, OK, then we got
Franklin & Roosevelt, names which while potentially deserving, set a
dangerous precedent. Along came Forrestal, a sort of apologetic political
pandering. Safe for a few years with renames, we've really fallen into the
sludge pit lately. Maybe we'll quit building the great hulks. If not, it's
time for...

Essex (again)
Wasp (again)
Kearsage (again)
Bon Homme Richard (again, again & forever after)
Monitor
Lexington
Saratoga
(two names so inextricable entwined with Naval Air so as to deserve existence
as long as a/c come and go from the decks of ships)

William J Bollinger

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Robertr...@osf1.gmu.edu writes:
>: CV-66 USS America - ?
>
> Ya know I did 2 Meds & the Persian Gulf War with her BG & I never once
>heard her called anything but "America". Don't think there is a nick
>for her.

Then Mike Yukish <may...@psu.edu> wrote:
>
>I have heard it referred to as the 'Am-ma-REE-ka' among
>the airwing.
>

The mispronounced version of her name was the one we used when I was
aboard, and due to the lack of publicity we got, some of us called her
the stealth carrier. I've also heard "The Big A" and toward the end,
"The Big Dawg"


Cole Pierce

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There will be more, but here are the ones I remember:

Forrestal - FID (First in Defense, motto)
Kitty Hawk - Kitty Chicken, Kitty Maru (Japanese term)
Bon Homme Richard - Bonnie Dick
Hancock - Hand Job
Oriskany - O-boat, Zipp-O (after their fatal fire)
Ticonderoga - Tico
Lexington - Lady Lex

I had a cruise on America and don't remember any nicknames .. the ship wasn't
popular enough to generate one. 'Hothouse' would have been a good one since
the air conditioning never worked.


gun one

Cole Pierce

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from the nimble fingers of swr...@iamerica.net (TMO/TX):
: Essex (again)

: Wasp (again)
: Kearsage (again)
: Bon Homme Richard (again, again & forever after)
: Monitor
: Lexington
: Saratoga
: (two names so inextricable entwined with Naval Air so as to deserve existence
: as long as a/c come and go from the decks of ships)

WELL SAID!! (sound of applause)

gun one

Michael Wise

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In article <51phl4$g...@natasha.rmii.com>, msa...@rainbow.rmii.com (Martin
Sagara) wrote:

Two corrections:


> CV-63 USS Kitty Hawk - The Hawk

Shitty Kitty

> CVN-70 USS Carl Vinson - Battlestar

Chuck E. V.

--Mike

--
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SysAdmin mi...@wired.com
WIRED

Andrew Toppan

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TMO/TX reshaped the electrons to say:
> it's time for...

Oh boy...a lot of these names have been reused already.

> Essex (again)

LHD 2

> Wasp (again)

LHD 1

> Kearsage (again)

LHD 3

> Bon Homme Richard (again, again & forever after)

LHD 6

> Monitor

Possibly for an arsenal ship.

> Lexington
> Saratoga

Possibles (with Hornet) for LHD 7 and the LHXs. Remote possibilities
for CVN 77 and CVX, but some politicial will probably prevent that.

--
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If Yoda so strong in force is, why words in right order he cannot put?


Steve Osmanski

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Those of us who served on the Eisenhower often called her the
"Ikeatraz" in honor of her long deployments.

The Oz


Andrew Toppan

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Martin Sagara reshaped the electrons to say:

> CV-59 USS Forrestal - ?

Forrest Fire and FID (First In Defense)

> CV-60 USS Saratoga - Sara

Super Sara if you're writing an upbeat history of the ship,
Sorry Sara otherwise.

> CV-67 USS John F. Kennedy - Big John

JFK.

Michael Wise

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In article <51rgg8$h...@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>,
jdco...@ix.netcom.com(James Corley ) wrote:


> >CV-63 USS Kitty Hawk - The Hawk

> The Pussy Hawk....from one of the crew from Indy (and I suppose others)

Not hardly. It's the Shitty Kitty.

--Mike
(CV-63 sailor 1983-1987)

Robertson Madill

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>swr...@iamerica.net (TMO/TX) wrote:
>{snipped a bunch} Š
„Safe for a few years with renames, we've really fallen into the
>sludge pit lately. Maybe we'll quit building the great hulks. If not, it's
>time for...
>
>Essex (again)
>Wasp (again)
>Kearsage (again)
>Bon Homme Richard (again, again & forever after)
>Monitor
>Lexington
>Saratoga
>(two names so inextricable entwined with Naval Air so as to deserve existence
>as long as a/c come and go from the decks of ships)

I'm not aware of plans for Lexington or Saratoga, and Monitor sounds like
it would fit in with the Minehunter/Mine Countermeasures classes of
ships, but the first several names on your "wish" list €have€ been
used again in the Wasp Class LHDs! Wasp LHD-1, Essex LHD-2, Kearsarge
LHD-3, (Boxer LHD-4, Bataan LHD-5) and Bon Homme Richard LHD-6.

Couldn't agree more with your overall sentiments. When I'm made czar,
I'll straighten out this whole baseball-only-on-natural-grass! thing as
well as return a sense of tradition and predictability to the naming
of our warships.

Regards.

John Eckhardt

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Martin Sagara <msa...@rainbow.rmii.com> wrote in article
<51phl4$g...@natasha.rmii.com>...


> I am interested in the nicknames used for US Aicraft Carriers
> (Forrestal and after).
>

> CV-59 USS Forrestal - ?

Forrest Fire, FID (from the ship's motto "First In Defense")

> CV-63 USS Kitty Hawk - The Hawk

Shitty Kitty

> And I have no idea on the newer carriers:
>

>USS John C. Stennis,

Johnny Reb

John Eckhardt


Cpt. C. Nebulart

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Martin Sagara (msa...@rainbow.rmii.com) wrote:
> CV-59 USS Forrestal - ?

Wasn't she called Forest Fire after a fire ?

--
- Cpt. C. Nebulart <nebu...@solnoid.xs4all.nl>
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I bled all I can I won't bleed no more" -- Sisters of Mercy "This corrosion"

Michael Wise

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In article <51s1pf$8...@cisu2.jsc.nasa.gov>, pie...@pat.mdc.com (Cole
Pierce) wrote:

> Kitty Hawk - Kitty Chicken, Kitty Maru (Japanese term)

I made three cruises on the Kitty Hawk...and never once heard it called
either of those names. I always heard it called "Shitty Kitty."

--Mike

John Weiss

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On 09/18/96 4:35PM, in message <51q0vg$k...@portal.gmu.edu>, Robert
<rkau...@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote:

> Martin Sagara (msa...@rainbow.rmii.com) wrote:
> [...]
>
> My recollection from out in the fleet...
>

> : CV-59 USS Forrestal - ?
>
> Forest fire
>

A little bit more "official":

FID -- for "First in Defense"

> : CV-60 USS Saratoga - Sara

Sinkin' Sara -- after she sank at the dock a SECOND time!

--
John Weiss
Bare Bones BBS, Seattle, WA
206-368-7672

Dave Barak

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In article <51rfq8$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, cdru...@aol.com (CDR
USNret) wrote:

> <I am interested in the nicknames used for US Aicraft Carriers

> <(Forrestal and after). I would greatly appreciate any help
> <anyone could give me on the nicknames of these ships.
> <These are the ones I have heard of.
>

> In addition to the previous responses, I seem to recall:
>
> Forrestal: FID (derived from official motto- First In Defense)
> Forestfire (due to at least two unfortunate incidents)
>
> Saratoga: Scare-atoga
> Sorry Sara (how we referred to her due to her sorry assed
> condition prior to SLEP. name just
> stuck)
>
> Kitty hawk: Shitty Kitty

Also the Sinking Sarah and the Danger Ranger...

Dave Barak

Destination: D.C. - A wry look at the candidates in the Great Campaign of '96
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James Corley

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In <mike-ya02308000...@news.hotwired.com> mi...@wired.com

(Michael Wise) writes:
>
>In article <51rgg8$h...@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>,
>jdco...@ix.netcom.com(James Corley ) wrote:
>
>
>> >CV-63 USS Kitty Hawk - The Hawk
>> The Pussy Hawk....from one of the crew from Indy (and I suppose
others)
>
>Not hardly. It's the Shitty Kitty.
>
>--Mike
>(CV-63 sailor 1983-1987)
>

but as a 7-year-old kid it was really racy to hear such words! This was
about 1970, maybe 72. One of the RVAH squadrons was about to go aboard
and one of the EM was bitching about that paticular ship.

W.E. Nichols

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mi...@wired.com (Michael Wise) wrote:

+In article <51s1pf$8...@cisu2.jsc.nasa.gov>, pie...@pat.mdc.com (Cole
+Pierce) wrote:
+
+> Kitty Hawk - Kitty Chicken, Kitty Maru (Japanese term)
+
+I made three cruises on the Kitty Hawk...and never once heard it called
+either of those names. I always heard it called "Shitty Kitty."

Did the same from 65-68. Chicken Hawk, Shitty Kitty or most common was The
Hawk.

Nick
W.E. Nichols "This is an era when nonsense has become acceptable
w...@infi.net and sanity is controversial." Thomas Sowell

yams

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CVN-72, USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN - Stinkin' Lincoln: couldn't seem to do
anything right, from port calls to the speed (or lack thereof) of the
flight deck. Maiden deployment ('91) affectionately called the Cruise
From Hell.

CVN-68, USS NIMITZ - Five Star Hotel: renowned for VIP treatment and the
infamous "cleaning quarters" ('95-96 deployment).

W.E. Nichols

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osma...@cvn.net (Steve Osmanski) wrote:

+Those of us who served on the Eisenhower often called her the
+"Ikeatraz" in honor of her long deployments.

What long deployments?

Nick
CMC Ike 82-84

Doug Teigland

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: > : CV-60 USS Saratoga - Sara

Suckin Sixty from Dixie

Re: Saratoga's home port of Mayport, Fla.

Steve Osmanski

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w...@infi.net (W.E. Nichols) wrote:

>osma...@cvn.net (Steve Osmanski) wrote:

>What long deployments?

>Nick
>CMC Ike 82-84

The '84-'85 Med was extended for over 3 months (if I remember right)
to cover both Lebanon and Libya. The '87-'88 Med was also extended,
though I left before that one ended.

She also got to spend a great deal of time at sea during Desert
Shield, though she left before the shooting started.

In fact, the Eisenhower has =always= managed to miss the shooting.

The Oz (RE Div, Ike, '84-'88)


Gunner USN(Ret)

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In article <51renf$17...@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, Mike Yukish <may...@psu.edu> wrote:

> Don't forget our recently departed, the USS Coral Sea,
> known as the 'Coral Maru'.

AKA THE "CORAK MARU"

Seems we had this Ensign who was appointed the Welfare & Rec officer and
was tasked with getting some new cigarwtte lighters made. We were deployed
('62) and he was trying out his OCS Japanese over the phone cuz he was too
lazy to get off the ship. He explained very carefully to the Japanese
gentleman on the phone what the lighters were to look like and say on the
sides. When we got them a week later, they were really spiffy looking.
Chrome plated with a nice Coral Sea medallion on one side, "CVA-43" on
both the narrow sides, and nice clear printing on the back : "U.S.S. Corak
Maru". They sold like hotcakes at the ships store, though. I've still got
mine. :-)

TMO/TX

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In article <51s97k$q...@bigboote.WPI.EDU> el...@WPI.EDU (Andrew Toppan) writes:

"But we've used all those names again" or words of that ilk....

He misses the point. We used 'em for helogator docks and the like, only one
step above garbage barges and harbor craft. They belonged to ships marked
indelibly in America's history and were regiven to carriers, real carriers,
not flat-decked, over-grown floating Mike-boat docks.

As for Monitor, there one who deserves more than an MCM, etc. She did sort of
make her mark as a capital ship, and for thirty years after, we pretended your
chillens was capital ships.

el pelon sinverguenza
CVA OOD(UW) as an Ensign, USNR, one of only two in LANTFLT, and smarter
(or smart ass) than shit, to boot!

CJ Martin

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James Corley <jdco...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<51rgg8$h...@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>...

> >CV-60 USS Saratoga - Sara

> Suckin' Sara
> Sorry Sara

'Sinking Sara'



> >CV-66 USS America - ?

'USA'
She's gone now, though...spent three years riding her.

CJ

--
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Origin Skunk Works - East
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D.P. NUTTING

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>In article <51s1pf$8...@cisu2.jsc.nasa.gov>, pie...@pat.mdc.com (Cole
>Pierce) wrote:
>
>> Kitty Hawk - Kitty Chicken, Kitty Maru (Japanese term)
>
>I made three cruises on the Kitty Hawk...and never once heard it
called
>either of those names. I always heard it called "Shitty Kitty."

Mike...."CHICKEN PUSSY" has been used VERY frequently for that
particular ship....

Dwayne

Matthew Hamer

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In article <32412fe8...@news.norfolk.infi.net>,
w...@infi.net (W.E. Nichols) wrote:
>ste...@infi.net (Steve Rogovich) wrote:
>
>+ I can tell you that the gay sailors aboard these ships refer to
>+the ship by the name of the wife of who the ship is named for. For example
>+
>+Kennedy = Jackie
>+Eisenhower = Mamie
>+Washington = Martha
>+
>+ No doubt Reagan will be called "Nancy" , etc.
>+
>+ I have overheard these many times around the waterfront.is
>
>Well, you must be one of those "cock suckers" and hang around the water
>front with them, because this is pure unadultrated bull shit.
>
>Nick

Well, no one would accuse you of being homophobic ....

Harold Hutchison

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> FID
What does THAT mean?

> Scare-atoga
> Scary-toga
How'd she get that?

> Ikeatraz
Huh?

> Battlestar
As in Galactica?

> Teddy Ruxpin
NO WAY! They didn't nickname a carrier after that stupid
talking teddy bear!

> CVN-76 USS Ronald Reagan-
Double R?
Mummar's Nightmare?
Star Warrior?
Railroad (RR)?
--
"I'm waiting to see how they are going to try blame this one on me."
- Ollie North on Iran-Bosnia

Andrew Toppan

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Harold Hutchison reshaped the electrons to say:

> > FID
> What does THAT mean?

First In Defense.

W.E. Nichols

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yams <ya...@pilot.infi.net> wrote:

+CVN-72, USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN - Stinkin' Lincoln: couldn't seem to do
+anything right, from port calls to the speed (or lack thereof) of the
+flight deck. Maiden deployment ('91) affectionately called the Cruise
+From Hell.

For you trivia buffs, the first CM/C on Lincoln, was named Lincoln. He was
an excellent Master Chief. I put him there because of his name and his
reputation. I thought it was kinda kewl.

Nick

W.E. Nichols

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osma...@cvn.net (Steve Osmanski) wrote:

+w...@infi.net (W.E. Nichols) wrote:
+
+>osma...@cvn.net (Steve Osmanski) wrote:
+
+>+Those of us who served on the Eisenhower often called her the
+>+"Ikeatraz" in honor of her long deployments.
+
+>What long deployments?
+
+>Nick
+>CMC Ike 82-84
+
+The '84-'85 Med was extended for over 3 months (if I remember right)
+to cover both Lebanon and Libya. The '87-'88 Med was also extended,
+though I left before that one ended.
+
+She also got to spend a great deal of time at sea during Desert
+Shield, though she left before the shooting started.

In my book, long deployments were the ones that started out as 9 months and
then you got extended. That wasn't to many years ago.

+The Oz (RE Div, Ike, '84-'88)

Was Al Milhouse still there. You folks had better of given him a good send
off to Idaho. If not you are on my shit list. Superb Master Chief.
Although he was a F^ Nuke. BTW, I _never_ allowed those words to be spoken
on the ship.

NIck

James Corley

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I have kept track, and here is the tally so far:

CV-59 USS Forrestal -
Forrestfire
Firestall
FID

CV-60 USS Saratoga -
Sara

Sorry Sara
Suckin' Sara
Suckin' Sixty from Dixie
Sinkin' Sara
Super Sara
Scare-atoga
Scary-toga

CV-61 USS Ranger -
Danger Ranger
Top Gun

CV-62 USS Independence -
Indy
Indy Maru

CV-63 USS Kitty Hawk -
The Hawk

Shitty Kitty
Kitty Chicken
Chicken Hawk
Pussy Hawk
Chicken Pussy
Kitty Maru

CV-64 USS Constellation -
Connie

CVN-65 USS Enterprise -
Big E
Starship (Enterprise)

CV-66 USS America -
Am-ma-REE-ka
The Big A
The Big Dawg

CV-67 USS John F. Kennedy -
Big John
JFK

CVN-68 USS Nimitz -
Five Star Hotel

CVN-69 USS Eisenhower -
Ike
Ikeatraz

CVN-70 USS Carl Vinson -
Battlestar
Chuck E. V.

CVN-71 USS Theodore Roosevelt -
The Big Stick
TR
Teddy Ruxpin

CVN-72 USS George Washington-
GW

CVN-73 USS Abraham Lincoln-
Abe
Honest Abe

And let Abe have some of problems Sara had and you'll get "Leakin'
Lincoln" unless people find it too hard to say.

Stinkin' Lincoln

CVN-74 USS John C. Stennis-
Johnny Reb - from "Debt of Honor"


And here are a few guesses for the two future ships:
CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman-
Hairy Ass?

CVN-76 USS Ronald Reagan-
Raygun?
Alzheimer?

Gay nicknames:
Kennedy = Jackie
Eisenhower = Mamie
Washington = Martha

J.McEachen

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TMO/TX wrote:
>
> In article <51qmeq$r...@nw101.infi.net> ste...@infi.net (Steve Rogovich) writes:

>
> >Martin Sagara (msa...@rainbow.rmii.com) wrote:
>
> >: I am interested in the nicknames used for US Aicraft Carriers
> >: (Forrestal and after).
>
> How about before Forrestal? Great ships like Shangri-La (CVA-38), a romantic
> name with literary connections, a ship paid for by US Savings Bonds, a
I hope Gray Fox gets back soon from his travels, he was XO of Shang
before CO of VQ-2 and put some good stories about her on the old Naval
Aviation group in the old flat-rate Prodigy. I think the Shangri-La was
paid for by US union members. Seems there were two ship's bells, and
all kinds of h..l are being raised because some Clinton staffers
requisitioned the bell for the president just as some NA's were trying
to get the special bell and/or plaque commemorating the unions' role in
buildint the Shang down to the museum in Pensacola. It just caused a
few of us to have some slow heartburn to see slick willie's crew even
get near a ship's bell, much less onw with a special meaning as the one
from the Shangri-La (you know, the place Doolittle's bombers came from
per FDR?) I hope one day to see that bell in Pensacola. But the
building of the Shangri-La was something special in American history, I
hope someone can elaborate better than my slim memory (heck, I was just
out of diapers when Gray Fox (my ops officer in VAH-5) started flying.)

J.McEachen

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Cpt. C. Nebulart wrote:

> Wasn't she called Forest Fire after a fire ?
>

Low blow! 149 dead in July 1967 after I saw her and my former roommate
off in Norfolk on my honeymoon. Sen. John McCain was in the launch when
the fire started, transferred to anoterh ship, got shot down on his
second mission and began his stay in the Hanoi Hilton. Lately, I have
heard Forrestal referred to as "FID", First in Defense, a phrase used in
her early history and related to Sec. Forrestal. It ws not in use in
the early 60's, however. Fly into Philadelphia International in a
commuter and you'll see CVA-59 out the right window, sitting cold and
dead in the Yard. Anchors and port chain went to the Stennis, Props to
the JFK we heard a few years back on another bbs. It is so sad to see
her sitting down there, until the reflection of my gray hair shows in
the window. We hit 38+ knots in 1961 returning alone from the Med
crossing on the 34th parallel to do speed trials, not bad for the first
and only 600 psi supercarrier.

W.E. Nichols

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W.E. Nichols

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Harold Hutchison

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> FID
What does THAT mean?

> Scare-atoga

Matthew Hamer

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In article <32412fe8...@news.norfolk.infi.net>,

Andrew Toppan

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Harold Hutchison reshaped the electrons to say:


> > FID
> What does THAT mean?

First In Defense.

James Corley

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I have kept track, and here is the tally so far:

D.P. NUTTING

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In <520rbt$s...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> jdco...@ix.netcom.com(James

Corley ) writes:
>
>I have kept track, and here is the tally so far:

>And here are a few guesses for the two future ships:


>CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman-
>Hairy Ass?

I expect something like "Give'm Hell Harry" will be more like it.

Dwayne

Andrew Toppan

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TMO/TX reshaped the electrons to say:
> He misses the point.

Whatever.

> We used 'em for helogator docks and the like, only one
> step above garbage barges and harbor craft.

Ahem. Are you an idiot, a fool or a moron? When was the last time a CVN
evacuated personnel from a tight spot or held enemy ground? 'Gators are
a vital part of the fleet. Period.

> They belonged to ships marked
> indelibly in America's history and were regiven to carriers, real carriers,
> not flat-decked, over-grown floating Mike-boat docks.

Whatever. I suppose we're supposed to scrap all those evil-LHA/LHDs
and build dozens of new CVNs to carry all the names you're so excited
about.

> As for Monitor, there one who deserves more than an MCM, etc. She did
> sort of make her mark as a capital ship, and for thirty years after,
> we pretended your chillens was capital ships.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Can someone explain that line? It seems sorta nonsensical.

> el pelon sinverguenza
^^^^^^^^^
That's two words.

> CVA OOD(UW) as an Ensign, USNR, one of only two in LANTFLT, and smarter
> (or smart ass) than shit, to boot!

<yawn>

hawkeye

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In article <51phl4$g...@natasha.rmii.com>, msa...@rainbow.rmii.com says...

>
>I am interested in the nicknames used for US Aicraft Carriers
>(Forrestal and after). I would greatly appreciate any help
>anyone could give me on the nicknames of these ships.
>These are the ones I have heard of.
>
>CV-59 USS Forrestal - ?

AKA the FORREST-FIRE, from her infamous bad luck during 'Nam.

>CV-60 USS Saratoga - Sara

AKA the Sinking Sara, from her occassion to sink at the pier.

Hawkeye


CVN-65 EW

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Be advised:

CVN 65

Enema-prise
Enterprison
Enterpig

CV 67

John Fucking Kennedy

CV 64

Constipation
Constellation-Prize (From the fact (apocryphal) that she was to have
been the first nuke carrier, i.e., Enterprise, but that got pushed back
to #65... :) ).

Conflagration
Consternation

CVN 70

"Chuckie V.", not "Chuck E. V."

CVN 68

Dammits (Only heard once)


After ports-of-call in Japan:

Consterration
Abe Rincon

As a personal aside, let me add that I have heard CVN 70 referred to as
"that G*D* S*Heap", and I couldn't agree more. Vinson Sucks.

Hawk

Martin/Jennifer Keenan

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>>And here are a few guesses for the two future ships:

>>CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman-

>>CVN-76 USS Ronald Reagan

How about CVN-77 USS Richard Nixon? (Snicker...)

Martin


D.P. NUTTING

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In <523f47$q...@news.inforamp.net> kee...@inforamp.net (Martin/Jennifer
Keenan) writes:

>How about CVN-77 USS Richard Nixon? (Snicker...)

I'd say only if the Navy decides to make it CV-77 and go with the
gas turbine propusion.....THEN, as a "suck and blow" ship....maybe..

Dwayne

Onegun

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>CVN-69 USS Eisenhower - Ike

When the first female aviators served on the '69', is was lovingly
(tongue firmly planted in cheek, pun intended) referred to as...

The D-ike.


Paul Hart

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John Eckhardt wrote:
>
> Martin Sagara <msa...@rainbow.rmii.com> wrote in article
> <51phl4$g...@natasha.rmii.com>...

> > I am interested in the nicknames used for US Aicraft Carriers
> > (Forrestal and after).
> >
> > CV-59 USS Forrestal - ?
>
> Forrest Fire, FID (from the ship's motto "First In Defense")

>
> > CV-63 USS Kitty Hawk - The Hawk
>
> Shitty Kitty
>
> > And I have no idea on the newer carriers:
> >
> >USS John C. Stennis,
>
> Johnny Reb
>
> John Eckhardt

how about "SUCK WATER SARA". Given to Sara after she was put in the mud
at NS Mayport when someone left a valve "unattended"

Paul Hart


W. ROLLINS

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Andrew Toppan (el...@WPI.EDU) wrote:
: > We used 'em for helogator docks and the like, only one
: > step above garbage barges and harbor craft.
: Ahem. Are you an idiot, a fool or a moron? When was the last time a CVN
: evacuated personnel from a tight spot or held enemy ground? 'Gators are
: a vital part of the fleet. Period.

CVs have been used for evacuations, Midway brought a lot of Vietnamese
and aircraft to Guam in 75 for one example. A flat top gator would have
been better suited to the job but they were all busy.

: Whatever. I suppose we're supposed to scrap all those evil-LHA/LHDs


: and build dozens of new CVNs to carry all the names you're so excited
: about.

I don't like the new naming convention. The should have left the old
naming conventions in place and used the new classes for their political
appeasement purposes. The JFK by all rights should be Destroyer name.
Ticonderoga should have a City name etc.

BiNM


Peter H. Granzeau

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On 21 Sep 1996 13:42:21 GMT, jdco...@ix.netcom.com(James Corley )
wrote:

>And here are a few guesses for the two future ships:
>CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman-

>Hairy Ass?

One wonders, since Truman had no middle name, only an initial, where
that period came from? Harry never used it, ever in his life.

Michael Wise

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In article <51vnln$f...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, d...@ix.netcom.com(D.P.
NUTTING) wrote:


> Mike...."CHICKEN PUSSY" has been used VERY frequently for that
> particular ship....


One would think that if was such a frequently used nick name, that a person
who spent three years of his life on board her would have heard it at least
once.

--Mike

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Andrew Toppan

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TMO/TX reshaped the electrons to say:
> He misses the point.

Whatever.

> We used 'em for helogator docks and the like, only one

> step above garbage barges and harbor craft.

Ahem. Are you an idiot, a fool or a moron? When was the last time a CVN
evacuated personnel from a tight spot or held enemy ground? 'Gators are
a vital part of the fleet. Period.

> They belonged to ships marked

> indelibly in America's history and were regiven to carriers, real carriers,
> not flat-decked, over-grown floating Mike-boat docks.

Whatever. I suppose we're supposed to scrap all those evil-LHA/LHDs


and build dozens of new CVNs to carry all the names you're so excited
about.

> As for Monitor, there one who deserves more than an MCM, etc. She did

hawkeye

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In article <51phl4$g...@natasha.rmii.com>, msa...@rainbow.rmii.com says...
>


>I am interested in the nicknames used for US Aicraft Carriers

>(Forrestal and after). I would greatly appreciate any help
>anyone could give me on the nicknames of these ships.
>These are the ones I have heard of.
>

>CV-59 USS Forrestal - ?

AKA the FORREST-FIRE, from her infamous bad luck during 'Nam.

D.P. NUTTING

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In <520rbt$s...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> jdco...@ix.netcom.com(James


Corley ) writes:
>
>I have kept track, and here is the tally so far:

>And here are a few guesses for the two future ships:


>CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman-
>Hairy Ass?

I expect something like "Give'm Hell Harry" will be more like it.

Dwayne

TMO/TX

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In article <5228sk$a...@bigboote.WPI.EDU> el...@WPI.EDU (Andrew Toppan) writes:

>TMO/TX reshaped the electrons to say:
>> He misses the point.

>Whatever.

>> We used 'em for helogator docks and the like, only one
>> step above garbage barges and harbor craft.

>Ahem. Are you an idiot, a fool or a moron? When was the last time a CVN
>evacuated personnel from a tight spot or held enemy ground? 'Gators are
>a vital part of the fleet. Period.

>> They belonged to ships marked
>> indelibly in America's history and were regiven to carriers, real carriers,
>> not flat-decked, over-grown floating Mike-boat docks.

>Whatever. I suppose we're supposed to scrap all those evil-LHA/LHDs
>and build dozens of new CVNs to carry all the names you're so excited
>about.

>> As for Monitor, there one who deserves more than an MCM, etc. She did
>> sort of make her mark as a capital ship, and for thirty years after,
>> we pretended your chillens was capital ships.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Can someone explain that line? It seems sorta nonsensical.

>> el pelon sinverguenza
> ^^^^^^^^^
>That's two words.

Well, I got old Andy's knickers in a twist and his anchor chain all the way
under his forefoot. Get a grip, son, not even old amphibs loved'em that much,
and I, with a few days underway in LSTs and LSDs, possess a sort of sneaky
respect for folks who sail around in flat-bottomed, shallow draft craft.

First off, I just don't like giving the gators all the great names. If
they want to have a LHA called HST, fine. I wouldn't even
mind a LHD named the LBJ, but draw the line at an LST called the "Newt".
Please, however, leave the famous battle and ship names for capital vessels
which in our Navy means CVAs (at least for the next couple of decades).

I don't want to change any names of existing ships. Tradition says that
brings rotten luck. As for Evacs, I've been to one in a CVA (no, not N, we
only had one of those back then). The gators were forty-eleven days steaming
away. Basically, a flat deck is a flat deck and helos is helos,,
although it does cause a certain level of scrotal tension, when the 1MC calls
the landing party to muster on the port elevator. As for holding ground, to
sailors that's a good place to anchor, not something any gray hull does, best
reserved for marines.

I'll fess up to a missed word in the Monitor bit. For thiry years after the
War between the States, the Monitor, her sisters and descendants were the
closest things to capital ships the USN had.. She, a vessel which had no
little effect on war at sea, deserves having a capital ship named for her.

Remember, given a can of paint, a length of line, and a 4" brush, even an AB
can paint circles on a CVA's deck, making her functionally a big, fast LHA.
The reverse is a little tougher. Harriers are OK, especially attractive on
TV, and they don't fit those catapults just for sending off the mail on the
COD.

And lastly, where I learned Spanish (at home) sinverguenza is one word, kind
of a fun word. Look it up.

el pelon sinverguenza

AMPHIB'S LIBERTY SONG
"Get off the table, Mable,
The quarter's for the beer."

Duke Diener

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jdco...@ix.netcom.com(James Corley ) wrote:


>CV-62 USS Independence -
>Indy
>Indy Maru

USS Inconvenience

Duke


Captdragon

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In article <51rfq8$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, cdru...@aol.com (CDR
USNret) writes:

>Saratoga: Scare-atoga
> Sorry Sara (how we referred to her due to her sorry assed
>condition prior to SLEP. name just
>stuck)

also "sinkin Sara" for the time she sunk at the docks

Regards
tony
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> How about CVN-77 USS Richard Nixon? (Snicker...)

No. CVN-77 Douglas MacArthur. Most visible, arrogant boat in
the fleet.

--
José Herculano


Bill Huber

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In article <R.1996Sep...@cornell-iowa.edu> hhutc...@cornell-iowa.edu (Harold Hutchison) writes:

>> CVN-76 USS Ronald Reagan-
> Double R?
> Mummar's Nightmare?
> Star Warrior?
> Railroad (RR)?
>--

And in 30 years or so when it gets a set of directed energy weapons
for air defense, it will be "Ronnie Raygun"

Bill

W. ROLLINS

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Peter H. Granzeau (gran...@widomaker.com) wrote:
: One wonders, since Truman had no middle name, only an initial, where

: that period came from? Harry never used it, ever in his life.

The common way for the beaurocrats and the military to deal with that
would be to call it the Harry (S) Truman. I had a friend who's legal name
was J D Xxxx and his name always appeared as (J) (D) Xxxx.

BiNM


Mike Schramm

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In article <523gin$r...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, d...@ix.netcom.com(D.P.
NUTTING) wrote:

> In <523f47$q...@news.inforamp.net> kee...@inforamp.net (Martin/Jennifer
> Keenan) writes:
>

> >How about CVN-77 USS Richard Nixon? (Snicker...)
>

> I'd say only if the Navy decides to make it CV-77 and go with the
> gas turbine propusion.....THEN, as a "suck and blow" ship....maybe..
>
> Dwayne

If we wait long enough it could be the USS Bubba!!!!
Mike Schramm
Delta Tango

ASN

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Martin/Jennifer Keenan wrote:
>
> >>And here are a few guesses for the two future ships:
>
> >>CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman-
>
> >>CVN-76 USS Ronald Reagan

How about "Hollywood" for the USS Reagan?

Al

ASN

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Robert wrote:

<snipped: various nicknames for carriers.>

> Martin Sagara (msa...@rainbow.rmii.com) wrote:

> : USS Harry S. Truman, and USS Ronald Reagan.

Maybe "Hollywood" for the USS Reagan.

ASN

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Martin/Jennifer Keenan wrote:

> How about CVN-77 USS Richard Nixon? (Snicker...)
>

> Martin


Easy: "USS Watergate" or just "Watergate!"

Felix Morley Finch

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On 22 Sep 1996 02:39:16 GMT, Andrew Toppan <el...@WPI.EDU> scribbled:

>
>Ahem. Are you an idiot, a fool or a moron? When was the last time a CVN
>evacuated personnel from a tight spot or held enemy ground? 'Gators are
>a vital part of the fleet. Period.

Well, she wasn't N, but USS Midway, CV-41, evacuated Saigon, 1975,
with Marine and AF helos....

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Stchedroff@profs.iscl1.silon.simis.com Niels Stchedroff

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"Ronnie Ray-Gun"??


William J Bollinger

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ASN <pers...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Martin/Jennifer Keenan wrote:
>
>How about "Hollywood" for the USS Reagan?
>

Would that make her crew a bunch of Bonzo's


James Corley

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In <01bba930$18018de0$LocalHost@joseherc> "José Herculano"

<herc...@mail.telepac.pt> writes:
>
>> How about CVN-77 USS Richard Nixon? (Snicker...)
>
>No. CVN-77 Douglas MacArthur. Most visible, arrogant boat in
>the fleet.
>
>--
>José Herculano
>
And always ready to run off (under orders!) whenever things get to
hairy and then promise to "return" later!

ASN

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James Corley wrote:
>
> In <01bba930$18018de0$LocalHost@joseherc> "José Herculano"
> <herc...@mail.telepac.pt> writes:
> >
> >> How about CVN-77 USS Richard Nixon? (Snicker...)

Simple: Tricky Dickie :-)

AN

Kip Klish

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During my service days (1971-1977), the USS Forestal CV59
was also known as "The Zippo" after the cigarette
lighter.

The USS Enterprise CV65 was also known as "The Ark" especially
among the nucs. Also heard her called the "Tunaprise" more than
once, but not sure of the origin.

Kip


Corsair

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Sep 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/24/96
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In article <mike-ya02308000...@news.hotwired.com> mi...@wired.com (Michael Wise) writes:
>I made three cruises on the Kitty Hawk...and never once heard it called
>either of those names. I always heard it called "Shitty Kitty."

A lot of people have mentioned this. Was there anything in particular that was
wrong with the Kitty Hawk? Just curious.


Corsair
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Charles Prael

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Peter H. Granzeau wrote:
>
> >And here are a few guesses for the two future ships:
> >CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman-
> >Hairy Ass?

>
> One wonders, since Truman had no middle name, only an initial, where
> that period came from? Harry never used it, ever in his life.

Harold Stimson Truman.
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Andrew Toppan

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TMO/TX reshaped the electrons to say:

> Well, I got old Andy's knickers in a twist and his anchor chain all the way

> under his forefoot. Get a grip, son, not even old amphibs loved'em that much,
> and I, with a few days underway in LSTs and LSDs, possess a sort of sneaky
> respect for folks who sail around in flat-bottomed, shallow draft craft.

I thought we were talking about LHAs and LHDs here...quite different
from LSTs and LSDs.

<chop>

Gregg Germain

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Kip Klish (kl...@aur.alcatel.com) wrote:

: The USS Enterprise CV65 was also known as "The Ark" especially


: among the nucs. Also heard her called the "Tunaprise" more than
: once, but not sure of the origin.

: Kip

Yeah but what I want to knowis:

Is the XO referred to as Spock? ;^)


--- Gregg
Saville
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Phone: (617) 496-7713 "A Mig at your six is better than
no Mig at all."

W.E. Nichols

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mdon...@calumet.yorku.ca (Corsair) wrote:

+In article <mike-ya02308000...@news.hotwired.com> mi...@wired.com (Michael Wise) writes:
+>I made three cruises on the Kitty Hawk...and never once heard it called
+>either of those names. I always heard it called "Shitty Kitty."
+
+A lot of people have mentioned this. Was there anything in particular that was
+wrong with the Kitty Hawk? Just curious.

Not that I remember. She was probably no better and no worse than the other
ships of the same class. She had several major fires. One on Dec 6, 1965
which burned up #3 MMR. The fire in the tire storage area under the angle.
And I think there was another major engine room fire. This one put her out
of operation for a period of time, me thinks.

Nick
W.E. Nichols "This is an era when nonsense has become acceptable
w...@infi.net and sanity is controversial." Thomas Sowell

Andrew Toppan

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Felix Morley Finch reshaped the electrons to say:

> Well, she wasn't N, but USS Midway, CV-41, evacuated Saigon, 1975,
> with Marine and AF helos....

Yeah, and a CVN evacuated Subic, and a Brit CV evacuated aircraft from
Norway, but that doesn't mean is the role the ships are meant for, or even
that they're well suited to the role. Disasters tend to lead to strange
employment of warships.

TMO/TX

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Sep 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/25/96
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In article <52bkle$e...@bigboote.WPI.EDU> el...@WPI.EDU (Andrew Toppan) writes:

>Felix Morley Finch reshaped the electrons to say:
>> Well, she wasn't N, but USS Midway, CV-41, evacuated Saigon, 1975,
>> with Marine and AF helos....

>Yeah, and a CVN evacuated Subic, and a Brit CV evacuated aircraft from
>Norway, but that doesn't mean is the role the ships are meant for, or even
>that they're well suited to the role. Disasters tend to lead to strange
>employment of warships.

Apparently, the gators have so few defenders that Andrew feels he must serve
as their only champion. His latest response deserves return fire, albeit
semi-friendly....

Well-suited hardly describes some of the missions naval vessels have
been dispatched upon. From the Philadelphia aground off North Africa nearly
200 years ago down through shooting wars and uneasy peace since, the common
cry of a million sailors has been; "What the F.... are we doing here?" My old
neighbor, sent to drive an LCVP across the Rhine during WWII, certainly felt
that way.

Back in 1963(?), disputacious Haitians caused a CVA to
carry out a little light emergency evacuation. The Saigon debacle was attended
by all available vessels with enough "flat" deck to land a helo (and parking
became an over-the-side maneuver), but it ain't just evacs that count. Seems
like the British, caught short in of a CV, made all sorts of hulls (inc.
LPH/LHA, RORO) perform multiple roles including semi-CV down in the S.
Atlantic."Grenades over Grenada", a full length feature shot in a week , used
at least one CVA to play the role of a LHA/APA.

Back there in the dark ages, before Andy had the luxury of a sanitary ivory
tower web site, the twilight cruise for decepit old CVSs was to be condemened
to vile durance as amphibs. Mine old flat-roofed home did every duty from
making water for a thirsty town to helping out during a postal strike. CVs,
be they A, S, or even N, fill the same role as every other grayhull, remaining
flexible to fill the needs of the service. While not a brownshoe, I've always
admired the flexibility of aviators, guys who once launched themselves from
battleship turrets and later fitted Sidewinders on A4s back., presumably on
the theory "If no mission exists, invent one. Then they can't live without
you."

In these days of modern techno-marvels, single mission ships are nearly as
bad as single mission a/c, but don't come close to the inherent evil of single
issue minds.

El pelon sinverguenza

A maxim for naval commanders....
"Remember...
A ship's place in the line is not set
By the weight of her broadside,
The spread of her sails,
The strength of her scantlings,
But by the heart of those who sail in her."

A strong voice from the annals of land warfare....

"Do they crave a meal?
Well, Sir, we'll give them a full day's dining.
At dawn, they'll wake up to a dose of roundshot.
Then breakfast on shell fire.
For nooners, there will be a full glass of grape and a plate of case.
At tea, we'll fill their tray with musketry.
If they still hunger, they can sup on the cold steel of our bayonets."


James Corley

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Sep 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/25/96
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#2 didn't make it over to s.m.n., as there are a few discussing it over
there, too.


I have kept track, and here is the tally so far:

CV-59 USS Forrestal -
Forrestfire
Firestall
FID (First In Defence)
The Zippo

CV-60 USS Saratoga -
Sara

Sorry Sara
Suckin' Sara
Suckin' Sixty from Dixie
Sinkin' Sara
Super Sara
Scare-atoga
Scary-toga
Suck Water Sara

CV-61 USS Ranger -
Danger Ranger
Top Gun
The Lone Ranger (Ship played Willima Tell Overture
when going into port)

CV-62 USS Independence -
Indy
Indy Maru

Inconvenience

CV-63 USS Kitty Hawk -
The Hawk
Shitty Kitty
Kitty Chicken
Chicken Hawk
Pussy Hawk
Chicken Pussy
Kitty Maru

CV-64 USS Constellation -
Connie
Constipation
Constellation-Prize
Conflagration
Consternation

CVN-65 USS Enterprise -
Big E
Starship (Enterprise)
Enema-prise
Enterprison
Enterpig
The Ark
Tunaprise

CV-66 USS America -
Am-ma-REE-ka
The Big A
The Big Dawg
USA

CV-67 USS John F. Kennedy -
Big John
JFK
John Fucking Kennedy

CVN-68 USS Nimitz -
Five Star Hotel
Dammits (Only heard once)
Numb Nutz
"BOHICA" was also featured on an unofficial
ship's bumper sticker. If you don't
ask, we won't tell!

CVN-69 USS Eisenhower -
Ike
Ikeatraz
The D-Ike

CVN-70 USS Carl Vinson -
Battlestar
Chuck E. V. or Chuckie V.
"that G*d Damned ShitHeap"

CVN-71 USS Theodore Roosevelt -
The Big Stick
TR
Teddy Ruxpin

CVN-72 USS Abraham Lincoln-
Abe
Honest Abe
Stinkin' Lincoln

And let Abe have some of problems Sara had and you'll get "Sinkin'
Lincoln" or "Leakin' Lincoln" (unless people find it too hard to say.)


CVN-73 USS George Washington-
GW

CVN-74 USS John C. Stennis-
Johnny Reb - from "Debt of Honor" but heard several times.


And here are a few guesses for the two future ships:
CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman-
Hairy Ass?

"Give'm Hell Harry"?

CVN-76 USS Ronald Reagan-
Raygun?
Alzheimer?
Mummar's Nightmare? (Moamar, Moe-a-mar, etc....many spellings)
Star Warrior (in honor of Star Wars)?
Railroad (take the initials. RR also means Railroad)?
Ronnie?
The Line? (re:Kdaffy Kduck's "Line of Death")

After ports-of-call in Japan:

Consterration
Abe Rincon

Gay nicknames cut.

Kip Klish

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>CVN-76 USS Ronald Reagan-

How about "B Movie"?


MICOMA

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Sep 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/25/96
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In article <DyAnA...@cfanews.harvard.edu>, gr...@hrc2.harvard.edu (Gregg
Germain) writes:

>Yeah but what I want to knowis:
>
> Is the XO referred to as Spock? ;^)

Wasn't Spock the Science Officer?<g>

Mike Weeks MIC...@aol.com

Michael Wise

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Sep 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/25/96
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In article <mdonalds.8...@calumet.yorku.ca>,
mdon...@calumet.yorku.ca (Corsair) wrote:


> >I made three cruises on the Kitty Hawk...and never once heard it called

> >either of those names. I always heard it called "Shitty Kitty."
>

> A lot of people have mentioned this. Was there anything in particular
that was

> wrong with the Kitty Hawk? Just curious.


No, she was a fine ship when I was on her. "Shitty Kitty" is just what
everybody called her. Of course, when you're stuck on the boat...everything
is shitty, so maybe that's why we called her that.

--Mike

--
Michael Wise www.wired.com/staff/mike
SysAdmin mi...@wired.com
WIRED

Ed Lockwood

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W.E. Nichols wrote:
>She was probably no better and no worse than the other
> ships of the same class. She had several major fires.

Still have a vivid memory of watching the entire stbd side (below the
flight deck)of the Kitty Hawk on fire early one morning in the AG
(1987). We were about 5 months or so into the infamous "round the world"
cruise which was going to bring the Kitty to the east coast for a
permanent change of homeport. I say infamous because Iranian Silkworm
deployments turned it into a garden variety IO battle group stationing.
(Thanks again, Ace).


Apparently that fire wasn't such a big deal, but that morning I was
certain we were going home earlier than we planned ....


Ed

W. ROLLINS

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Sep 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/25/96
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Gregg Germain (gr...@hrc2.harvard.edu) wrote:
: : The USS Enterprise CV65 was also known as "The Ark" especially
: : among the nucs. Also heard her called the "Tunaprise" more than
: : once, but not sure of the origin.

: Yeah but what I want to knowis:


: Is the XO referred to as Spock? ;^)

Wouldn't surprise me, once it had a CO named James Kirk. I guess
detailers have a sense of humor.

BiNM


Dwayne Allen Day

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James Corley (jdco...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: And here are a few guesses for the two future ships:

: CVN-76 USS Ronald Reagan-

How about "The Gipper"?

or, worse,

"Bonzo"

D-Day


--
1-If anything can go wrong, Fix It! (To hell with Murphy!
7-If you can't beat them, join them, then beat them.
19-The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live.
Peter's Laws

Matthew Hamer

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In article <5299m8$g...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>,

jdco...@ix.netcom.com(James Corley ) wrote:
>In <01bba930$18018de0$LocalHost@joseherc> "José Herculano"
><herc...@mail.telepac.pt> writes:
>>
>>> How about CVN-77 USS Richard Nixon? (Snicker...)
>>
>>No. CVN-77 Douglas MacArthur. Most visible, arrogant boat in
>>the fleet.

Why not? He beat Nimitz in WWII planning rooms, why not have a CVN named
after the Army General who beat Navy?

William Petrie

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>In article <mike-ya02308000...@news.hotwired.com> mi...@wired.com
> (Michael Wise) writes:
>>I made three cruises on the Kitty Hawk...and never once heard it called
>>either of those names. I always heard it called "Shitty Kitty."
>
>A lot of people have mentioned this. Was there anything in particular that was
>wrong with the Kitty Hawk? Just curious.
>
>
>
I did a tour on the Kitty Hawk. That nickname was more affectionate than
derogatory. The Constellation was called the "Constipation" but no one thought
that meant it was full of shit! The Ranger was called the Danger probably
because no one could come up with a better play on words for her.

Bill

James Corley

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In <52c74l$j...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> mic...@aol.com (MICOMA) writes:
>
>In article <DyAnA...@cfanews.harvard.edu>, gr...@hrc2.harvard.edu
(Gregg
>Germain) writes:
>
>>Yeah but what I want to knowis:
>>
>> Is the XO referred to as Spock? ;^)
>
>Wasn't Spock the Science Officer?<g>

Both, he held two posts.

Well, OK. Except for "Where No Man Has Gone Before" where Gary Mitchell
was XO, and ST:TMP where Will Decker was XO and ST:TWOK where Spock was
CO, then there are the rest of the movies where he was a growing boy,
Ambassador, etc., etc.

James Corley

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In <52c4l3$4...@aurns1.aur.alcatel.com> kl...@aur.alcatel.com (Kip

Klish) writes:
>
>
>>CVN-76 USS Ronald Reagan-
>
>How about "B Movie"?
>

Why? He made a large number of "A" films, too. Did you know he was the
first choice to play Rick in Casablanca?

James Corley

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In <52d4db$6...@cliff.island.net> mha...@mail.island.net (Matthew Hamer)
writes:

>>>No. CVN-77 Douglas MacArthur. Most visible, arrogant boat in
>>>the fleet.
>
>Why not? He beat Nimitz in WWII planning rooms, why not have a CVN
named
>after the Army General who beat Navy?
>


Yeah, RIGHT! Which reality are you in?! Besides, we really should let
the Army names one of their ships (snicker) after ol' Doug.

W.E. Nichols

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Ed Lockwood <eloc...@telecom.com> wrote:

+W.E. Nichols wrote:
+>She was probably no better and no worse than the other
+> ships of the same class. She had several major fires.
+
+Still have a vivid memory of watching the entire stbd side (below the
+flight deck)of the Kitty Hawk on fire early one morning in the AG
+(1987). We were about 5 months or so into the infamous "round the world"
+cruise which was going to bring the Kitty to the east coast for a
+permanent change of homeport. I say infamous because Iranian Silkworm
+deployments turned it into a garden variety IO battle group stationing.
+(Thanks again, Ace).
+
+Apparently that fire wasn't such a big deal, but that morning I was
+certain we were going home earlier than we planned ....

That fire we had on Dec 6, 1965, I didn't think we were going to get home.
We were along side, conreping, bombs, JP and AvGas. Piping in #3 fire room
sprung a leak, atomized fuel on to the firesides. Set off the bilges.
Bombs, rockets, missiles, fuses laying all over the mess decks and hangar
deck. Bay three was so filled with smoke you could not see you hand in
front of your face. That is a no shitter. We lost at least one, maybe
three, engineers. We rebuilt the fire room on station. Fine bunch of
engineers we had!

Nick

Jerome O'Neil

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> The Ranger was called the Danger probably
> because no one could come up with a better play on words for her.

Actualy, it was called "Danger" because people had a knack for getting
killed on her. I remember one workup that left two aircraft out at sea,
and another burned up on the elevator during refueling.

Jerome

Michael Wise

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Sep 26, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/26/96
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In article <3249B4...@telecom.com>, Ed Lockwood <eloc...@telecom.com>
wrote:


> Still have a vivid memory of watching the entire stbd side (below the

> flight deck)of the Kitty Hawk on fire early one morning in the AG

> (1987). We were about 5 months or so into the infamous "round the world"

> cruise which was going to bring the Kitty to the east coast for a

> permanent change of homeport. I say infamous because Iranian Silkworm

> deployments turned it into a garden variety IO battle group stationing.

> (Thanks again, Ace).



> Apparently that fire wasn't such a big deal, but that morning I was

> certain we were going home earlier than we planned ....


I was on that cruise! I remember that incident well, because I was on the
Alert-30 helo crew (HS-2). I remember general quarters being sounded at
0-dark-30 in the morning and being told to launch the alert helo to rescue
anybody in case they fell overboard while fighting the fire.

It was an eerie sight up on the flight deck. Nothing but the flames of the
fire, on an otherwise pitch black night, lighting up the faces of people on
the flight deck scrambling to put out the fire. I suited up into my rescue
equipment inside the rescue helo with no lighting at all. I was dropping my
rescue equipment (mask, fins, sling, etc) all over the place. When we
finally did launch, we all were amazed at the size of the fire on the
starboard side just in fron of the island. We flew on into the morning, and
I took some great pictures (which I have in my photo album) of the fire
damage.

Yeah, that "world cruise" really ended up being a dud. Getting stuck at
Gonzo Station for several months when we were supposed to be hitting ports
really blew. I did have a good time in Karachi, Pakistan though. France and
Palma de Mallorca were fun to.

Do you remember "The Terminator" (CO of the Kitty Hawk)? That guy was
something else....giving out bread-and-water punishments to people late for
duty. I kept expecting him to make somebody walk.

Remember his "dirtbag space of the day" announcements?

Cole Pierce

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In article <324837...@lts.com>, Charles Prael <cpr...@lts.com> writes:

|> Peter H. Granzeau wrote:
|> >
|> > >And here are a few guesses for the two future ships:
|> > >CVN-75 USS Harry S. Truman-
|> > >Hairy Ass?
|> >
|> > One wonders, since Truman had no middle name, only an initial, where
|> > that period came from? Harry never used it, ever in his life.
|>
|> Harold Stimson Truman.
|> --


Hmmm, I was a teenager when Harry S. was president, and all I have ever
heard about his middle initial was that is was just that, an initial. The
oft-repeated story is that an aide suggested to him, after he was elected
president, that he needed a middle initial for appearances sake. He
took the advice. Whether Stimson was the incentive for choosing "S" or
not is unknown to me, but middle name? No. Nor was Harold his first name.

There is some interesting information on the "S" period at

http://sunsite.unc.edu/lia/president/TrumanLibrary/GeneralMaterials/SPeriod.html.

gun one

John Berger

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Sep 27, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/27/96
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>>>> How about CVN-77 USS Richard Nixon? (Snicker...)
>>>

>>>No. CVN-77 Douglas MacArthur. Most visible, arrogant boat in
>>>the fleet.

>Why not? He beat Nimitz in WWII planning rooms, why not have a CVN named
>after the Army General who beat Navy?

How about USS Pat Schroeder.. she beat all the males in the
military....

>>>
>>>--
>>>José Herculano
>>>
>>And always ready to run off (under orders!) whenever things get to
>>hairy and then promise to "return" later!

John Berger
Anne Arundel County, Maryland


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