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Wolfhound

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Jan 28, 2011, 11:47:05 PM1/28/11
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Hello all :)

I would appreciate any help in locating the following manuals for the
now retired A-6 Intruder aircraft, if anyone is able to help:

NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1A (Suppl NATOPS)
NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1T (Tactical Manual)
NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1T(A) (Suppl Tactical Manual)

A-6 Tactical Manual Volume II (NWP 55-3-A6, Vol.II / NAVAIR
01-85ADF-1.2T)
A-6 Tactical Manual Volume III (NWP 55-3-A6, Vol.III / NAVAIR
01-85ADF-1T(A)

I would prefer scanned PDF manuals dated between 1974 & 1976 for the
01-85ADA- manuals and 1986 or later for the 01-85ADF- manuals. I can
except other manuals depending on circumstance.

You can contact me via PM or via email at
wolfhound(*)6(*)at(*)gmail(*).com remove the (*) from the address e.g
wolfhound6....... and replace 'at' with @

Regards


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frank

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Jan 30, 2011, 4:54:16 PM1/30/11
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On Jan 28, 10:47 pm, Wolfhound

Try contacting the Navy. Either BuPubs would have them in the archives
or they might be in the National Archives. For AF, AF History had
copies of the Dash-ones. At Maxwell AFB, Alabama.

Wolfhound

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Jan 31, 2011, 1:57:00 AM1/31/11
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frank;761144 Wrote:
> On Jan 28, 10:47*pm, Wolfhound
> eflightmanuals.tradingREMOVET...@gmail.com.INVALID wrote:-

> Hello all :)
>
> I would appreciate any help in locating the following manuals for the
> now retired A-6 Intruder aircraft, if anyone is able to help:
>
> NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1A (Suppl NATOPS)
> NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1T (Tactical Manual)
> NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1T(A) (Suppl Tactical Manual)
>
> A-6 Tactical Manual Volume II (NWP 55-3-A6, Vol.II / NAVAIR
> 01-85ADF-1.2T)
> A-6 Tactical Manual Volume III (NWP 55-3-A6, Vol.III / NAVAIR
> 01-85ADF-1T(A)
>
> I would prefer scanned PDF manuals dated between 1974 & 1976 for the
> 01-85ADA- manuals and 1986 or later for the 01-85ADF- manuals. I can
> except other manuals depending on circumstance.
>
> You can contact me via PM or via email at
> wolfhound(*)6(*)at(*)gmail(*).com remove the (*) from the address e.g
> wolfhound6....... and replace 'at' with @
>
> Regards
>
> --
> Wolfhound-

>
> Try contacting the Navy. Either BuPubs would have them in the archives
> or they might be in the National Archives. For AF, AF History had
> copies of the Dash-ones. At Maxwell AFB, Alabama.

Thanks for the leads frank. What is BuPubs?


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Nikon

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Feb 4, 2011, 6:30:33 PM2/4/11
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On Jan 31, 12:57 am, Wolfhound
> Wolfhound- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have been looking for NAVAIR documents on the North American RA5C
for some time. All roads seem to lead to a naval archives at the North
Island Naval Base in California. They apparently have an archives for
the NAVAIRSYSCOM documents. BuPubs stands for the Bureau of Naval
Publications. By the way, the Naval Historical Center is at a total
loss when it comes to locating the material both you and I are looking
for. Give me a little time and I will come up with a contact at North
Island. I am in the process of contacting them for NAVAIR avionics
material on the mentioned aircraft (RA5C). The sad thing is that I
located the material I wanted some years back at the Naval
Publications Center in Philadelphia. They had already boxed it for
shipment to California (North Island ?).

Nikon

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Feb 4, 2011, 7:52:45 PM2/4/11
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> shipment to California (North Island ?).- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

See the following article: http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=3417

"In the past, users had a hard time stocking the (publications)," said
Ruth. "A lot of our aircraft have very old publications - from the
'60's and '70's. Copies got lost, sometimes the original is illegible,
and with a constant turn-over in the fleet, it was hard to track down
who actually owned the publication."

The site she is referring to is known as the Naval Air Technical Data
and Engineering Services Command (NATEC). NATEC is part of NAVAIR and
is the central repository for all NAVAIR technical publications.

Naval Air Technical Data and Engineering Service Command (NATEC)
Naval Air Station North Island
PO Box 357031
San Diego, CA 92135-7031

Wolfhound

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Feb 5, 2011, 9:16:44 PM2/5/11
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Nikon;761575 Wrote:
> On Feb 4, 5:30*pm, Nikon pryortay...@centurytel.net wrote:-
> On Jan 31, 12:57*am, Wolfhound
>
>
>
>
>
> eflightmanuals.tradingREMOVET...@gmail.com.INVALID wrote:-
> frank;761144 Wrote:-
> --

> On Jan 28, 10:47*pm, Wolfhound
> eflightmanuals.tradingREMOVET...@gmail.com.INVALID wrote:-
> Hello all :)--
> --

> I would appreciate any help in locating the following manuals for
> the
> now retired A-6 Intruder aircraft, if anyone is able to help:--
> --

> NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1A (Suppl NATOPS)
> NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1T (Tactical Manual)
> NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1T(A) (Suppl Tactical Manual)--
> --

> A-6 Tactical Manual Volume II (NWP 55-3-A6, Vol.II / NAVAIR
> 01-85ADF-1.2T)
> A-6 Tactical Manual Volume III (NWP 55-3-A6, Vol.III / NAVAIR
> 01-85ADF-1T(A)--
> --

> I would prefer scanned PDF manuals dated between 1974 & 1976 for the
> 01-85ADA- manuals and 1986 or later for the 01-85ADF- manuals. I can
> except other manuals depending on circumstance.--
> --

> You can contact me via PM or via email at
> wolfhound(*)6(*)at(*)gmail(*).com remove the (*) from the address
> e.g
> wolfhound6....... and replace 'at' with @--
> --
> Regards--
> --
> --
> Wolfhound---
> --

> Try contacting the Navy. Either BuPubs would have them in the
> archives
> or they might be in the National Archives. For AF, AF History had
> copies of the Dash-ones. At Maxwell AFB, Alabama.--
> -
> Thanks for the leads frank. *What is BuPubs?-
> -

> --
> Wolfhound- Hide quoted text --
> -
> - Show quoted text --

>
> I have been looking for NAVAIR documents on the North American RA5C
> for some time. All roads seem to lead to a naval archives at the North
> Island Naval Base in California. They apparently have an archives for
> the NAVAIRSYSCOM documents. BuPubs stands for the Bureau of Naval
> Publications. By the way, the Naval Historical Center is at a total
> loss when it comes to locating the material both you and I are looking
> for. Give me a little time and I will come up with a contact at North
> Island. I am in the process of contacting them for NAVAIR avionics
> material on the mentioned aircraft (RA5C). The sad thing is that I
> located the material I wanted some years back at the Naval
> Publications Center in Philadelphia. They had already boxed it for
> shipment to California (North Island ?).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text --

>
> See the following article:
> http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=3417
>
> "In the past, users had a hard time stocking the (publications)," said
> Ruth. "A lot of our aircraft have very old publications - from the
> '60's and '70's. Copies got lost, sometimes the original is illegible,
> and with a constant turn-over in the fleet, it was hard to track down
> who actually owned the publication."
>
> The site she is referring to is known as the Naval Air Technical Data
> and Engineering Services Command (NATEC). NATEC is part of NAVAIR and
> is the central repository for all NAVAIR technical publications.
>
> Naval Air Technical Data and Engineering Service Command (NATEC)
> Naval Air Station North Island
> PO Box 357031
> San Diego, CA 92135-7031

Hi Nikon :)

Thank you, I appreciate your reply.

I have actually been in contact with NATEC for a while now, since late
August last year. Unfortunately they say there is a backlog of
requests, so its taking about 7 months to process. You can make an FOIA
request for documents he http://foia.navair.navy.mil/request.html. If
you are a contractor, you could send an email he nani...@navy.mil
explaining that you are a contractor and they should be able to direct
you and provide the appropiate contacts.

You mentioned the Naval Historical Center, NHHC. I actually contacted
them last week via snail mail and I'm waiting for a response. As I'm
typing this email I've just visited their site again. Previously they
stated that all non-government requests should be in writing hence my
letter. I see now that they've recently updated the site and provided
an email address, they still insist the general public contact them in
writing.
I was informed last year that the NHHC aviation archives were being
moved from their (temporary location?) back to their old location which
I think was being refurbished. I was given information that the
Tactical Manuals I am looking for were in the Orange labelled boxes 21 &
22 I think. I fowarded this info to NHHC and asked if they could
confirm this, as well as provide the NAVAIR title of the documents to
ensure they are what I'm looking for, so now I'm just waiting for a
reply. If none of these leads are successful, I'm hoping a private
individual may be able to help.

I've done a brief search for Bureau of Naval Publications, but nothing
has turned up yet. I'll continue with a more thorough search.

BTW, unfortunately I don't have any RA5C avionics manuals, but I do have
an RA5C NATOPS manual if thats of any use?

Warm regards
Wolfhound


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Dave in Sandy Eggo

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Feb 7, 2011, 2:18:51 AM2/7/11
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Wolfhound <eflightmanuals.t...@gmail.com.INVALID> wrote in
news:Wolfhoun...@aviationbanter.com:

>> On Jan 28, 10:47*pm, Wolfhound
>> eflightmanuals.tradingREMOVET...@gmail.com.INVALID wrote:-
>> Hello all :)--
>> --
>> I would appreciate any help in locating the following manuals for
>> the
>> now retired A-6 Intruder aircraft, if anyone is able to help:--
>> --
>> NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1A (Suppl NATOPS)
>> NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1T (Tactical Manual)
>> NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1T(A) (Suppl Tactical Manual)--
>> --
>> A-6 Tactical Manual Volume II (NWP 55-3-A6, Vol.II / NAVAIR
>> 01-85ADF-1.2T)
>> A-6 Tactical Manual Volume III (NWP 55-3-A6, Vol.III / NAVAIR
>> 01-85ADF-1T(A)--
>> --
>> I would prefer scanned PDF manuals dated between 1974 & 1976 for the
>> 01-85ADA- manuals and 1986 or later for the 01-85ADF- manuals. I can
>> except other manuals depending on circumstance.--

> **********************

> I've done a brief search for Bureau of Naval Publications, but nothing
> has turned up yet. I'll continue with a more thorough search.
>
> BTW, unfortunately I don't have any RA5C avionics manuals, but I do have
> an RA5C NATOPS manual if thats of any use?
>
> Warm regards
> Wolfhound

Bureau of Publications??

That terminology has been gone for at least 30 years, perhaps longer. I
know that when I retired from the Navy in 1989, all the aviation pubs came
under Naval Air Technical Services Facility (NATSF). I'm having trouble
recalling its immediate predecessor, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't the
"Bureau of Publications".

Dave in San Diego

Nikon

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Feb 7, 2011, 3:35:12 PM2/7/11
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On Feb 7, 1:18 am, Dave in Sandy Eggo <YourEm...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Wolfhound <eflightmanuals.tradingREMOVET...@gmail.com.INVALID> wrote innews:Wolfhoun...@aviationbanter.com:
> Dave in San Diego- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Dave you are right. Many of the technical manuals used for training
were published by the Bureau of Naval Personnel and were simply noted
as NAVPERS.
The Naval Air Technical Services Facility was once in Philadelphia.
Believe that they were transfered to North Island in San Diego. It
could very well be that they were absorbed by NATEC. Unless my mind is
playing tricks on me there was a Naval Publications Center in
Philadelphia. Things are taking place so fast in the military that it
is very difficult to locate material. Some of the Air Force material
that I was trying locate at Wright Patterson was simply destroyed.

Wolfhound

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Feb 8, 2011, 12:00:46 AM2/8/11
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Nikon;761945 Wrote:
> On Feb 7, 1:18*am, Dave in Sandy Eggo YourEm...@nospam.com wrote:-

> Wolfhound eflightmanuals.tradingREMOVET...@gmail.com.INVALID wrote
> innews:Wolfhoun...@aviationbanter.com:
>
>
>
>
> --

> On Jan 28, 10:47*pm, Wolfhound
> eflightmanuals.tradingREMOVET...@gmail.com.INVALID wrote:-
> Hello all :)--
> --
> I would appreciate any help in locating the following manuals for
> the
> now retired A-6 Intruder aircraft, if anyone is able to help:--
> --
> NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1A (Suppl NATOPS)
> NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1T (Tactical Manual)
> NAVAIR 01-85ADA-1T(A) (Suppl Tactical Manual)--
> --
> A-6 Tactical Manual Volume II (NWP 55-3-A6, Vol.II / NAVAIR
> 01-85ADF-1.2T)
> A-6 Tactical Manual Volume III (NWP 55-3-A6, Vol.III / NAVAIR
> 01-85ADF-1T(A)--
> --
> I would prefer scanned PDF manuals dated between 1974 & 1976 for the
> 01-85ADA- manuals and 1986 or later for the 01-85ADF- manuals. I can
> except other manuals depending on circumstance.---

> **********************
> I've done a brief search for Bureau of Naval Publications, but
> nothing
> has turned up yet. *I'll continue with a more thorough search.-
> -

> BTW, unfortunately I don't have any RA5C avionics manuals, but I do
> have
> an RA5C NATOPS manual if thats of any use?-
> -
> Warm regards
> Wolfhound-

>
> Bureau of Publications??
>
> That terminology has been gone for at least 30 years, perhaps longer.
> I
> know that when I retired from the Navy in 1989, all the aviation pubs
> came
> under Naval Air Technical Services Facility (NATSF). I'm having
> trouble
> recalling its immediate predecessor, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't the
> "Bureau of Publications".
>
> Dave in San Diego- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text --

>
> Dave you are right. Many of the technical manuals used for training
> were published by the Bureau of Naval Personnel and were simply noted
> as NAVPERS.
> The Naval Air Technical Services Facility was once in Philadelphia.
> Believe that they were transfered to North Island in San Diego. It
> could very well be that they were absorbed by NATEC. Unless my mind is
> playing tricks on me there was a Naval Publications Center in
> Philadelphia. Things are taking place so fast in the military that it
> is very difficult to locate material. Some of the Air Force material
> that I was trying locate at Wright Patterson was simply destroyed.

Your correct Nikon, NATSF is now NATEC.

BTW, its a shame about the material that was destroyed. I'd have
expected them to have been archived, at least in digital format if space
is an issue.


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Wolfhound

Dave in Sandy Eggo

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Feb 8, 2011, 5:01:21 AM2/8/11
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Yes, there used to be a Publications Center in Philadelphia, up on Robbins
Avenue, next to, or part of, ASO. My dad used to be stationed at ASO, and I
lived across the river from Philly for a number of years.

NAESU and NATSF were combined into NATEC in 1993, concurent with the move
to NORIS.

As for doing digital archives, (my favorite 'Net Q) who's going to pay for
it?

Dave in San Diego

Nikon

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Feb 8, 2011, 2:07:33 PM2/8/11
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On Feb 7, 11:00 pm, Wolfhound
> Wolfhound- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

It sounded as if they used the same procedure that so many postal
workers have done when they get behind on the work. You find a
dumpster and file.

Nikon

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Feb 8, 2011, 2:10:43 PM2/8/11
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Answer: The same folks that paid for the interstate highway system in
the United States, the American tax payer.

Wolfhound

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Feb 8, 2011, 10:42:44 AM2/8/11
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Dave in Sandy Eggo;761988 Wrote:
> Bureau of Publications??--

>
> That terminology has been gone for at least 30 years, perhaps longer.
> I
> know that when I retired from the Navy in 1989, all the aviation pubs
> came
> under Naval Air Technical Services Facility (NATSF). I'm having
> trouble
> recalling its immediate predecessor, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't the
> "Bureau of Publications".
>
> Dave in San Diego- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text --
>
> Dave you are right. Many of the technical manuals used for training
> were published by the Bureau of Naval Personnel and were simply noted
> as NAVPERS.
> The Naval Air Technical Services Facility was once in Philadelphia.
> Believe that they were transfered to North Island in San Diego. It
> could very well be that they were absorbed by NATEC. Unless my mind is
> playing tricks on me there was a Naval Publications Center in
> Philadelphia. Things are taking place so fast in the military that it
> is very difficult to locate material. Some of the Air Force material
> that I was trying locate at Wright Patterson was simply destroyed.-

>
> Your correct Nikon, NATSF is now NATEC.
>
> BTW, its a shame about the material that was destroyed. I'd have
> expected them to have been archived, at least in digital format if
> space
> is an issue.-

>
> Yes, there used to be a Publications Center in Philadelphia, up on
> Robbins
> Avenue, next to, or part of, ASO. My dad used to be stationed at ASO,
> and I
> lived across the river from Philly for a number of years.
>
> NAESU and NATSF were combined into NATEC in 1993, concurent with the
> move
> to NORIS.
>
> As for doing digital archives, (my favorite 'Net Q) who's going to pay
> for
> it?
>
> Dave in San Diego

LOL! Your right Dave, its all about green, sadly


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Wolfhound

frank

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Feb 8, 2011, 4:40:10 PM2/8/11
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On Feb 7, 11:00 pm, Wolfhound
<eflightmanuals.tradingREMOVET...@gmail.com.INVALID> wrote:

Worst case, try National Archives. There IS a Federal law that
anything printed by the federal government be archived. Actually, you
should be able to get a printed copy of anything the government
printed, but good luck on getting that enforced. A lot of historians
and librarians have been complaining about the going digital bit,
paper is eternal, electronic systems, well, anybody got an 8 inch
floppy drive? Thought so...same with 9 track tapes.

Wolfhound

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Feb 10, 2011, 2:23:37 AM2/10/11
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frank;762072 Wrote:
> On Feb 7, 11:00*pm, Wolfhound
> eflightmanuals.tradingREMOVET...@gmail.com.INVALID wrote:-
> Nikon;761945 Wrote:
>
>
> -
> Wolfhound--
> -
> Bureau of Publications??-
> -

> That terminology has been gone for at least 30 years, perhaps longer.
> I
> know that when I retired from the Navy in 1989, all the aviation pubs
> came
> under Naval Air Technical Services Facility (NATSF). I'm having
> trouble
> recalling its immediate predecessor, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't
> the
> "Bureau of Publications".-
> -

> Dave in San Diego- Hide quoted text --
> -
> - Show quoted text ---

> -
> Dave you are right. Many of the technical manuals used for training
> were published by the Bureau of Naval Personnel and were simply noted
> as NAVPERS.
> The Naval Air Technical Services Facility was once in Philadelphia.
> Believe that they were transfered to North Island in San Diego. It
> could very well be that they were absorbed by NATEC. Unless my mind
> is
> playing tricks on me there was a Naval Publications Center in
> Philadelphia. Things are taking place so fast in the military that it
> is very difficult to locate material. Some of the Air Force material
> that I was trying locate at Wright Patterson was simply destroyed.-

>
> Your correct Nikon, NATSF is now NATEC.
>
> BTW, its a shame about the material that was destroyed. *I'd have

> expected them to have been archived, at least in digital format if
> space
> is an issue.
>
> --
> Wolfhound-

>
> Worst case, try National Archives. There IS a Federal law that
> anything printed by the federal government be archived. Actually, you
> should be able to get a printed copy of anything the government
> printed, but good luck on getting that enforced. A lot of historians
> and librarians have been complaining about the going digital bit,
> paper is eternal, electronic systems, well, anybody got an 8 inch
> floppy drive? Thought so...same with 9 track tapes.

I've contacted the National Archives about the manuals. Hopefully
they'll be about to assist me.

Thanks frank


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Wolfhound

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