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Walt668

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Aug 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/15/00
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I am looking for a chart we had in the Navy (60s) showing the hand signals
plane captains used for aircraft handing. Also, a set of 'wands', 'mickey mouse
ears', screwdriver & knive holders for the belt and any other flight line gear
!

ThanX
Walt Adams

Whunicut

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Aug 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/15/00
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> wal...@aol.com (Walt668) wrote;


>I am looking for a chart we had in the Navy (60s) showing the hand signals
>plane captains used for aircraft handing. Also, a set of 'wands', 'mickey
>mouse
>ears',

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Not sure plane captains used hand signals very often. "Yellow shirt" plane
handlers maybe?

Warren

Gordon

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>Not sure plane captains used hand signals very often. "Yellow shirt" plane
>handlers maybe?

Warren, Plane Captains do 90% of the signaling to the pilot - the Yellow Shirts
(Directors) take over -after- the PC and pilot have done all the prep work to
get the aircraft ready for launch. Starting engines, control checks, etc., are
things that a Director doesn't need to participate in -- they taxi the
aircraft to the cat, observe the final checkers, turn the a/c over to the cat
crew and then on landing give parking directions to the pilot after he clears
the wire. All other evolutions concerning a turning/burning aircraft involve a
plane captain and a pilot exchanging hand signals.

v/r
Gordon
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USN SAR Aircrew

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"Nothing but my forehead, sir."

Ogden Johnson III

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Aug 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/15/00
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On 15 Aug 2000 12:49:07 GMT, krzta...@aol.comMAYBENOT (Gordon)
wrote:

>>
>>Not sure plane captains used hand signals very often. "Yellow shirt" plane
>>handlers maybe?

>Warren, Plane Captains do 90% of the signaling to the pilot - the Yellow Shirts
>(Directors) take over -after- the PC and pilot have done all the prep work to
>get the aircraft ready for launch. Starting engines, control checks, etc., are
>things that a Director doesn't need to participate in -- they taxi the
>aircraft to the cat, observe the final checkers, turn the a/c over to the cat
>crew and then on landing give parking directions to the pilot after he clears
>the wire. All other evolutions concerning a turning/burning aircraft involve a
>plane captain and a pilot exchanging hand signals.

Add in that, AFAIK, the Navy ashore followed the same practice as the
USMC does, the Plane Captains/other flight line personnel handle all
aircraft direction until the pilot leaves the flight line area under
tower's ground control. Those Yellow Shirts are Ship's Company,
aren't they, they don't have them at NASs?

OJ III

Mark Maher

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Aug 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/15/00
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Ogden Johnson III wrote in message ...

>
>Add in that, AFAIK, the Navy ashore followed the same practice
as the
>USMC does, the Plane Captains/other flight line personnel
handle all
>aircraft direction until the pilot leaves the flight line area
under
>tower's ground control. Those Yellow Shirts are Ship's
Company,
>aren't they, they don't have them at NASs?
>

IIRC, NASs/NAFs do have yellow shirts. Every one needs *some*
shore duty :-) They just don't function in the same capacity.
The ABH ratings usually work in the maintenance of the airfield
and arresting gear, although they aren't alway limited to that.


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Gizmo

Whunicut

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Aug 15, 2000, 8:29:10 PM8/15/00
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> Ogden Johnson III <oj...@home.com> wrote;

>>>Not sure plane captains used hand signals very often. "Yellow shirt" plane
>>>handlers maybe?
>
>>Warren, Plane Captains do 90% of the signaling to the pilot - the Yellow
>Shirts
>>(Directors) take over -after- the PC and pilot have done all the prep work
>to
>>get the aircraft ready for launch. Starting engines, control checks, etc.,
>are
>>things that a Director doesn't need to participate in -- they taxi the
>>aircraft to the cat, observe the final checkers, turn the a/c over to the
>cat
>>crew and then on landing give parking directions to the pilot after he
>clears
>>the wire. All other evolutions concerning a turning/burning aircraft
>involve a
>>plane captain and a pilot exchanging hand signals.
>

>Add in that, AFAIK, the Navy ashore followed the same practice as the
>USMC does, the Plane Captains/other flight line personnel handle all
>aircraft direction until the pilot leaves the flight line area under
>tower's ground control. Those Yellow Shirts are Ship's Company,
>aren't they, they don't have them at NASs?
>

>OJ III

Gentlemen, I stand corrected. I should not have attempted to answer that post.
Its been 47 years since I was aboard an Aircraft Carrier and times were indeed
different then. Yellow shirts gave the start engines signal with a blue shirt
standing by with a "fire bottle". Plane captains did handle those duties at
NASs tho.

Regards,
Warren


John R Weiss

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Aug 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/16/00
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Yes. Squadron-assigned brown-shirts ashore, ship's-company yellow-shirts
afloat.

There may be yellow-shirts at transient lines, but most of that is contracted
out to civilians these days.
-----------------
John Weiss
Lake Forest Park, WA
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Greg Kainz

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Aug 16, 2000, 10:27:48 PM8/16/00
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Walt et al;
I have a buddy still flying on active duty with the Navy.
He promised me that he would chase down a training chart
with the hand signals and scan and email (or fax) to me.
When I get it, I'll post it somewhere and let you know.
He said it'll take a few days - some bs about having
the cruise bird down, failed inspections, covering 4 collateral
duties, etc. Whine whine whine :-)

Walt668 <wal...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I am looking for a chart we had in the Navy (60s) showing the hand signals
> plane captains used for aircraft handing. Also, a set of 'wands', 'mickey
mouse

Walt668

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Aug 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/18/00
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Yup, although plane captains at land stations did !
Any leads ?

Walt668

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Aug 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/18/00
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Great ! It's for use at events at NAS Wildwood (http://www.usnasw.org/)

Walt

Vbcog

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Aug 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/22/00
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The chart you are looking for is in the NAVAIR 80-T-105, NAVAIR 80-T-96, and
the NATO publication for aircraft signals. I'll check with the guys that teach
the Plain Captain course here at NAMTRAU and see if I can scan a copy. I know
a Chief Petty Officer Select from that phase that will help me out.

ATC(aw/sw)

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