Clever N-Number
Jim Weir
there?
You have to draw this on paper to get the effect. Remember that we can have
slanted or straight letters, but no prohibition that I could find against mixing
them.
N (slanted forward)
1 (slanted back and spaced tight to the N)
0 (straight)
0 (straight)
N (straight)
Y (straight)
Perfectly legitimate number, November One Zero Zero November Yankee. Print it
slanted the way this guy did it. Clever SOB.
Jim
Jim Weir (A&P, CFI, and other good alphabet soup)
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Russell Kent
at Oshkosh this year had N600SE or N600ZE in rather curvy letters. Can't remember
which, but still looks alot like NGOOSE.
Russell Kent
Bob Barbanes
the foot.
Henry Bibb
: I saw one on a Mooney the other day that really was clever. Any others out
: there?
Saw a Bonanza at Oshkosh with N1CE. Not as subtle, but got a smile from me.
Henry Bibb
Luscombe 8F
N3542G
KJKimball
N105KY.....Shadowed to read NHUSKY on an Aviat Husky.
KK
RobertR237
<ke...@titania.tye.sc.ti.com> writes:
Well, it isn't quite an "N" number since they don't use them in New Zeeland but
a KIS builder there has built both a two place and a four place KIS from TRI-R.
The first one (2-place) he use "KISS" and on the other (4-place) he used
"TELL".
KISS and TELL
Looks real interesting when you seem them parked one following the other.
Bob Reed http://robertr237.virtualave.net/
KIS Cruiser in progress...Oshkosh 2000 by Gosh! or a 2001 Oshkosh Odessy ;-)
"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the
Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)
ABantock
remember the aircraft but can remember the reg. no.
G-BJOB
Popular with the gentlemen!
Andrew J Bantock
Ron Natalie
>
> Heard of a few......N1KE for the shoe guys. N1PS.......Spin backwards.
> N105KY.....Shadowed to read NHUSKY on an Aviat Husky.
That last one was really obstuse, it was hard to read the original
N number and really flies in the face of the regs:
(c) Aircraft nationality and registration marks must -
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, be painted on the aircraft or affixed
by any other means insuring a similar degree of permanence;
(2) Have no ornamentation;
(3) Contrast in color with the background; and
(4) Be legible.
Duncan
others I've forgotten. So the FAA gave my my 5th choice instead (I picked
numbers and letters that roll off the tongue easily -- something like 5MA is
easier to say and easier to understand than 98ZN).
Duncan
KJKimball wrote in message <19990812230758...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
>Heard of a few......N1KE for the shoe guys. N1PS.......Spin backwards.
>N105KY.....Shadowed to read NHUSKY on an Aviat Husky.
>
Bob U.
wrote:
>KJKimball wrote:
>>
>> Heard of a few......N1KE for the shoe guys. N1PS.......Spin backwards.
>> N105KY.....Shadowed to read NHUSKY on an Aviat Husky.
>
>That last one was really obstuse, it was hard to read the original
>N number and really flies in the face of the regs:
>
>(c) Aircraft nationality and registration marks must -
> (1) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, be painted on the aircraft or affixed
>by any other means insuring a similar degree of permanence;
> (2) Have no ornamentation;
> (3) Contrast in color with the background; and
> (4) Be legible.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Party Pooper. <g>
BOb U.
Mark D Hiatt
when he finished it. Anyone know if he did?
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James J. Foster
"Miscellaneous Office Supplies" painted on the tail.
JJF
B25flyer
It is the perfect airshow N number, N6969N . Right side up or inverted it reads
the same. I know the person in MO that owns it and have been trying to buy it
from him for the past 6 years but he will not sell. The story of when I first
found out about the number goes back 30 years.
Walt
Bob Chilcoat
My Dad had "White Knuckle Airways" painted on the side of his Bonanza.
Bob
RobertR237
<char-nos...@flash.net> writes:
>I tried for NUT (Univ of Tx already had it) N1X (already gone) and several
>others I've forgotten. So the FAA gave my my 5th choice instead (I picked
>numbers and letters that roll off the tongue easily -- something like 5MA is
>easier to say and easier to understand than 98ZN).
>Duncan
While I am not planning on anything special in the way of my "N" number, I
really look forward to my first flight in what I am planning to use. N247BR
It should be fun to always hear the controller begin or end every transmission
by saying "Bravo Romeo". ( Of coarse, my wife might not think it so funny the
first time.)
Oh yeah, my first choice was rejected (N247RR) by me since I could just hear
the controller popping of with a "Romeo Romeo where fore art thou?".
Bill Hale
: Jim Weir <j...@rst-engr.com> wrote:
: : I saw one on a Mooney the other day that really was clever. Any others out
: : there?
: Saw a Bonanza at Oshkosh with N1CE. Not as subtle, but got a smile from me.
Belongs to Calvin Early, one of the founders of the American
Bonanza Society.
Interestingly, I think there could be a ham call that would be
the same.
Nice.
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: Henry Bibb
: Luscombe 8F
: N3542G
Russell Kent
Well, then try getting N96N, or N9696N, or N00N, or N111N, ...
(Pseudo-)Palindromic N-numbers abound.
Russell Kent
Greg Reid
approach/tower/ground folks almost always saw it immediately, and used "toy" to address
me. :-) I had to sell the plane in '90 ... being used for IFR training at an
airline's flight school in Quebec, last I heard.
Greg
El Roto
not thinking of it first. It was a Beechcraft (Debonair, I think) with the
following in "large" type.
N1CE
Damn, I want that.
--
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Eddie Bob
the prefex for Venezuela, but the rest of the ID was TITI. Center controllers
kept asking me what color the plane was.
Another time, I took a Barron from the west coast to Hawaii for the FAA. Of
course the top part of the tail said FAA, but under that was the N number: N15.
When I was about 200+ nautical miles out of Diamond head I was able to make VHF
contact with Center. I reported: N15 at Shark Intersection, and requisted
direct Diamond Head. DENIED, came the reply. Instead they gave me a clearance
to another intersection, up an airway to another intersection, then on to
Diamond Head. At that distance out I was unable to navigate via the VOR, and
the Loran (Loran A) was not working very well, so I called them again and said:
FAA 15 requests direct Diamond Head. CLEARED DIRECT DIAMOND HEAD, came the
immediate reply!!! ;-)
Eddie Bob
Remove your-hat to e-mail me
David Pincus
>>> Jim Weir <j...@rst-engr.com> wrote:
>>> I saw one on a Mooney the other day that really was clever. Any others
>>> out there?
>> Henry Bibb (h...@netcom13.netcom.com) wrote:
>>
>> Saw a Bonanza at Oshkosh with N1CE. Not as subtle, but got a smile from me.
> ha...@fc.hp.com (Bill Hale) wrote:
> Belongs to Calvin Early, one of the founders of the American
> Bonanza Society.
>
> Interestingly, I think there could be a ham call that would be the same.
"Soooey, pig, pig, pig" as a call sign???
Rob Cherney
From the www.landings.com database:
N-number : N4Q
Aircraft Serial Number : 18778
Aircraft Manufacturer : CESSNA
Model : 170A
Engine Manufacturer : CONT MOTOR
Model : C145 SERIES
Aircraft Year : 1949
Owner Name : HARMONY HILL FLYING CLUB INC
Owner Address : RR 1 BOX 57
SHENDOAH JCT, WV, 25442-9513
Registration Date : 16-Nov-1995
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Not Specified
+------------------------------------------------------------------+
|Robert Cherney Home Phone: (410)465-5598 |
|Ellicott City, Maryland e-mail: che...@home.com |
+------------------------------------------------------------------+
Jim Weir
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:
->> Interestingly, I think there could be a ham call that would be the same.
->
->"Soooey, pig, pig, pig" as a call sign???
Well, I wasn't going to brag...but the 182 has N73CQ
If somebody else has a better ham call/airplane number than this, please post
it.
David
hearing about the plane in Great Britain named G-WHIZ.
David
N82Gt
On 13 Aug 1999 04:56:52 GMT, in rec.aviation.homebuilt Bob Reed wrote:
> In article <37B38702...@titania.tye.sc.ti.com>, Russell Kent
> <ke...@titania.tye.sc.ti.com> writes:
>
> >
> >The Grumman Goose on the flightline just north of Classic Point (in the A/C/C
> >area)
> >at Oshkosh this year had N600SE or N600ZE in rather curvy letters. Can't
> >remember
> >which, but still looks alot like NGOOSE.
> >
> >Russell Kent
> >
> >
>
> Well, it isn't quite an "N" number since they don't use them in New Zeeland but
> a KIS builder there has built both a two place and a four place KIS from TRI-R.
> The first one (2-place) he use "KISS" and on the other (4-place) he used
> "TELL".
>
> KISS and TELL
>
> Looks real interesting when you seem them parked one following the other.
>
>
B25flyer
the ramp at Malpensa.
Walt
Ronald James Wanttaja
>I saw Nike's corporate jet once (or one of them). It was N1KE.
The N1KE registration used to belong to the net's own Peter Lert. The
"Just do it" company wanted it *real bad*. I'll not steal Peter's thunder,
other than to suggest that he and his family have never lacked for shoes
since....
Ron Wanttaja
want...@halcyon.com
http://www.halcyon.com/wanttaja/
Badwater Bill
wrote:
>KJKimball wrote:
>>
>> Heard of a few......N1KE for the shoe guys.
Peter Lert had that number and sold it to NIKE. He gets free Nike
shoes for life out of the deal. Ask him. I think there may be more
to that story too.
Badwater Bill
N210RP
Nice 210 Retractable Pressurized
Flyer244
Victor, what type aircraft?", I'd say "Romeo Victor 4"
: )
Bob
Ronald James Wanttaja
And here I thought it meant "Nude 210-year-old with Ready Phinger".... :-)
Liquidbuck
WHP
AZSKYBUM
with attracting riders..will report back after more data has been gathered..I
also
have NX1903 on my Breezy.
Curtis Clark
radiogenese
>My flyingboat has N694ME, limited sucess
>with attracting riders..will report back after more data
>has been gathered..
The "Voyager" was N269SH. The SH is also on Dick Rutan's
Vary EZ, he said it's for "Shit Hot."
>I also
>have NX1903 on my Breezy.
Did FAA officially let you use the NX? I tried to use it
on an Air Camper 10 years ago and they wouldn't let me.
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you were born 8-)? Year of your first flight?
David
Stumped in Alabama
AZSKYBUM wrote:
>
> My flyingboat has N694ME, limited sucess
> with attracting riders..will report back after more data has been gathered..I
> also
> have NX1903 on my Breezy.
> Curtis Clark
Bob U.
<radio...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Curtis Clark wrote:
>
>>My flyingboat has N694ME, limited sucess
>>with attracting riders..will report back after more data
>>has been gathered..
>
>The "Voyager" was N269SH. The SH is also on Dick Rutan's
>Vary EZ, he said it's for "Shit Hot."
>
>>I also
>>have NX1903 on my Breezy.
>
>Did FAA officially let you use the NX? I tried to use it
>on an Air Camper 10 years ago and they wouldn't let me.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
THEY wouldn't let you?
Rubbish and poppycock, my good man.
YOU wouldn't let you, is a more accurate description.
Pretty predicable from a "VFR not recommended" hierarchy.
So, never ask.
JUST DO IT.*
The "X" is silent. <g>
Put it on the plane.
Nobody will say shit.
Got a Great Lakes here at 3GV sporting NX 65DS.
Really cool with a round SCARAB up front too.
If you check the registry you will find it to be N 65DS.
Not a problem for this 1966 flying contraption.
* If you happen to get in a bunch of shit over this...
I have not a pot to pee in or window to throw it out of.
Suing would gain you a negative cash flow.
Bob - just do it - U.
N329DF
5, serial #
2, 2 seat
SH, Shit Hot
Matt Gunsch,
A&P, IA,Private Pilot
EAA Warbirds of America,
North American Trainer Assoc.
Cactus Squadron Flight Team,
Flying the North American T-6 Texan
Dragonfly Tri-Gear
Piper Colt project underway
GWRRA
NRA
Dan Nafe
wrote:
> I get the "69 4 me", but the X1903 is over my head. Is that the year
> you were born 8-)? Year of your first flight?
1903 was the year of _THE_ first flight!
>
> David
> Stumped in Alabama
>
>
> AZSKYBUM wrote:
> >
> > My flyingboat has N694ME, limited sucess
> > with attracting riders..will report back after more data has been
gathered..I
> > also
> > have NX1903 on my Breezy.
> > Curtis Clark
AZSKYBUM
in FAR 45.22 - 45.29. The local FAA office dosen't have the FAR's memorized and
sometimes dosen't have a clue. You would be better off to talk to EAA
Headquarters to get the right info.
dmanddmer
don't get it about X, though.
David
dmanddmer
Nix? Novenmber Xray? X as in X-rated?
Nil? Nul? November Lima?
November Charlie? ??
Not Rated? November Romeo? Nurd?
Yes, I guess I am dense. Please explain the significance of these to a
poor dumb redneck.
David
QDurham
Back in Lindberg's days, NC meant "US, Commercial" NX meant "US Experimental"
Don't know about the others. Corky?
Quent
Ron Natalie
C means "STANDARD" today. Probably meant "Conventional."
R - Restricted
L - Limited
X - Experimental.
It refers to the type of airworthiness certficate.
It is not part of the registration number.
In order to use it, you must have an aircraft that is either
more than 30 years old, or is an exhibition or amateur
built aircraft that has the appearance of an aircraft over
30 years ago.
And you only need two inch letters (one of the perks of
old planes :-))
dmanddmer
David
Alan Davenport wrote:
>
> dmanddmer wrote:
> >
> > I know, that is why I put it in there. Guess I was too subtle. I still
> > don't get it about X, though.
>
> It just means "Experimental." There are limitations on which
> airplanes can use it: 30 years old, or "has the same external
> configuration" as an airplane 30 years old (or older.)
>
> Sooo..... build a Flybaby and you, too, can be X-rated.
>
> Sec. 45.22
> <large amount snipped...>
> (b) A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a
> U.S.-
> registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been
> issued
> under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an exhibition
> aircraft or
> as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the same external
> configuration as
> an aircraft built at least 30 years ago may be operated without
> displaying
> marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 if:
> (1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2
> inches
> high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting
> of the
> Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
> (i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; or
> (ii) The symbol appropriate to the airworthiness certificate of the
> aircraft ("C", standard; "R", restricted; "L", limited; or "X",
> experimental)
> followed by the U.S. registration number of the aircraft; and
> (2) It displays no other mark that begins with the letter "N"
> anywhere on
> the aircraft, unless it is the same mark that is displayed under
> paragraph
> (b)(1) of this section.
> <more snipped...>
>
> --
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Have I been wrongly under the impression that 2" letters are OK unless
crossing US borders (particularly coming back in after a trip outside
the southern border)?
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Bob U.
>>
>Have I been wrongly under the impression that 2" letters are OK unless
>crossing US borders (particularly coming back in after a trip outside
>the southern border)?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Can't find an FAR that puts it quite that way.
Bob U.
KJKimball
NR= Racing in the 30's later meant REstricted
NX= Experimental
NL=Limited
The reason these markings are discouraged is exactly the reason we are going
thru it here.......No one understands them anymore, FAA too. Once the extra
letter was dropped, you had to mark the airplane with the needed word, like
EXPERIMENTAL, or RESTRICTED, etc. We still use the "c" etc on the antiques we
restore as the large numbers on the wings are considered part of the orig paint
scheme. When we built our Replica GeeBee Model Z, we needed it to have NR77V
as the N Number. We got a letter from the FAA with permission to use the "R"
for racing as in 1931 inplace of the "X" the regs show for experimental a/c
today.
Kevin
Jerry Springer
>
> Ron Natalie wrote:
> >
> > QDurham wrote:
> > >
> > > >Can you tell us why NX, NL, NC, and NR are frowned upon, please?
> > >
> > > Back in Lindberg's days, NC meant "US, Commercial" NX meant "US Experimental"
> > > Don't know about the others. Corky?
> > >
> >
> > C means "STANDARD" today. Probably meant "Conventional."
> > R - Restricted
> > L - Limited
> > X - Experimental.
> >
> > It refers to the type of airworthiness certficate.
> >
> > It is not part of the registration number.
> >
> > In order to use it, you must have an aircraft that is either
> > more than 30 years old, or is an exhibition or amateur
> > built aircraft that has the appearance of an aircraft over
> > 30 years ago.
> >
> > And you only need two inch letters (one of the perks of
> > old planes :-))
>
> crossing US borders (particularly coming back in after a trip outside
> the southern border)?
> Bruce A. Frank, Editor
2" letters are fine unless crossing an ADIZ or going to Mexico. No problem
at all going into Canada with 2" numbers.
--
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Bob U.
>> Have I been wrongly under the impression that 2" letters are OK unless
>> crossing US borders (particularly coming back in after a trip outside
>> the southern border)?
>> --
>> Bruce A. Frank, Editor
>
>2" letters are fine unless crossing an ADIZ or going to Mexico. No problem
>at all going into Canada with 2" numbers.
Could you please quote the reg that makes this legally so.....
and under what conditions?
Bob U.
Jim Vandervort
the assembled gentry!!
Does anybody know the address for the webpage that has to do with
flying a homebuilt into Canada??
A friend gave me this one, but I can't get it to work:
www.tc.ga.ca/aviation/mainten-aarpg/index.htm
Thats the way he gave it to me, and I have tried a lot of iterations.
ANYBODY?????????/
JimV.
Bruce A. Frank <BAFRANK@**SpamBlock**worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:7pau5n$i6t$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
> Ron Natalie wrote:
> >
> > QDurham wrote:
> > >
> > > >Can you tell us why NX, NL, NC, and NR are frowned upon, please?
> > >
> > > Back in Lindberg's days, NC meant "US, Commercial" NX meant "US
Experimental"
> > > Don't know about the others. Corky?
> > >
> >
> > C means "STANDARD" today. Probably meant "Conventional."
> > R - Restricted
> > L - Limited
> > X - Experimental.
> >
> > It refers to the type of airworthiness certficate.
> >
> > It is not part of the registration number.
> >
> > In order to use it, you must have an aircraft that is either
> > more than 30 years old, or is an exhibition or amateur
> > built aircraft that has the appearance of an aircraft over
> > 30 years ago.
> >
> > And you only need two inch letters (one of the perks of
> > old planes :-))
>
> Have I been wrongly under the impression that 2" letters are OK unless
> crossing US borders (particularly coming back in after a trip outside
> the southern border)?
> --
Bob U.
<ww2...@dragonbbs.com> wrote:
>OK, now that I've seen "borders" mentioned. I've got a question to pose to
>the assembled gentry!!
>Does anybody know the address for the webpage that has to do with
>flying a homebuilt into Canada??
>A friend gave me this one, but I can't get it to work:
>
>www.tc.ga.ca/aviation/mainten-aarpg/index.htm
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Guess your just going to have to "slap the clown" that gave you this.
Does not exist at this moment for me either, Jimbo.
Maybe SOMEBODY will come up with a valid URL, if there is one.
BOb U.
Charles K. Scott
Back in Lindberg's days, NC meant "US, Commercial" NX meant "US
Experimental"
Don't know about the others. Corky?
I'm afraid I'm no help here. What studying I've done on the 30's and
40's has been almost exclusively in the military aviation area, things
like tactics and trying to verify how effective various groups were.
Sorry, Corky Scott
Ron Natalie
>
> Have I been wrongly under the impression that 2" letters are OK unless
> crossing US borders (particularly coming back in after a trip outside
> the southern border)?
> --
Yes, if your airplane is under 30 years old, it either had
12" numbers from the factory or whenever it is repainted.
If your aircraft is 30 years or older, you can keep the 2"
numbers through repaintings.
You need 12" numbers to penetrate the ADIZ, but you can
use temproary ones if you wish.
Ron Natalie
>
> 2" letters are fine unless crossing an ADIZ or going to Mexico.
That's redudent.
Ron Natalie
> >
> >2" letters are fine unless crossing an ADIZ or going to Mexico. No problem
> >at all going into Canada with 2" numbers.
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Could you please quote the reg that makes this legally so.....
> and under what conditions?
>
> Bob U.
14 CFR 45.22 and 45.29.
You must have 12 inch numbers to penetrate the ADIZ or DEWIZ.
You must have 12 inch numbers if your plane was manufactured
after 1981 or repainted.
If you're plane is older than 30 years, or is an exhibition
or homebuilt which reflects a design older than 30 years,
you can use 2" numbers instead. You can also use the
X, L, R, or C prefix in your number.
David B. Schober
NR, NL, NX provided that your aircraft was built at least 30 years ago
or has the same external configuration as one built 30 years ago. Your
registration will still be N1234, not NX1234. Keep in mind that using NX
displayed as part of your registration allows you to not put that big
ugly "EXPERIMENTAL" at the cockpit entrance. Marking IAW 45.22 exempts
you from the requirements of FAR 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33. In a
nutshell, register your airplane as N1234 or whatever, then mark the
sides of the fuselage with numbers at least 2" high and use NX1234 and
don't put "EXPERIMENTAL" on the door. Keep in mind that you can't
operate in an ADIZ or DEWIZ area with these markings.
Bob U. wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:19:08 -0800, radiogenese
> <radio...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Curtis Clark wrote:
> >
> >>My flyingboat has N694ME, limited sucess
> >>with attracting riders..will report back after more data
> >>has been gathered..
> >
> >The "Voyager" was N269SH. The SH is also on Dick Rutan's
> >Vary EZ, he said it's for "Shit Hot."
> >
> >>I also
> >>have NX1903 on my Breezy.
> >
> >Did FAA officially let you use the NX? I tried to use it
> >on an Air Camper 10 years ago and they wouldn't let me.
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> THEY wouldn't let you?
> Rubbish and poppycock, my good man.
> YOU wouldn't let you, is a more accurate description.
>
> Pretty predicable from a "VFR not recommended" hierarchy.
> So, never ask.
> JUST DO IT.*
>
> The "X" is silent. <g>
> Put it on the plane.
> Nobody will say shit.
>
> Got a Great Lakes here at 3GV sporting NX 65DS.
> Really cool with a round SCARAB up front too.
> If you check the registry you will find it to be N 65DS.
> Not a problem for this 1966 flying contraption.
>
> * If you happen to get in a bunch of shit over this...
> I have not a pot to pee in or window to throw it out of.
> Suing would gain you a negative cash flow.
>
> Bob - just do it - U.
--
*****************************************************************************
David B.Schober, CPE
Instructor, Aviation Maintenance
Fairmont State College
National Aerospace Education Center
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Jim Weir
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:
->>2" letters are fine unless crossing an ADIZ or going to Mexico. No problem
->>at all going into Canada with 2" numbers.
->++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
->
->Could you please quote the reg that makes this legally so.....
->and under what conditions?
Yup. 16 year old Mexican kids in the army with M-16s on their hips guarding
most Mexican airports make it legally so.
Jim
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Jim Vandervort
JimV.
Bob U. <ruokN...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:37b98453....@news.mindspring.com...
Jerry Springer
>
> Jerry Springer wrote:
> >
> > 2" letters are fine unless crossing an ADIZ or going to Mexico.
>
Yes Ron your right, living here in Oregon ten minutes by RV from the coast I guess
I was just thinking of that big ADIZ on the chart just off the coast.
Jerry Springer
>
> On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:18:17 -0700, Jerry Springer
> >>
> >> crossing US borders (particularly coming back in after a trip outside
> >> the southern border)?
> >> --
> >
> >2" letters are fine unless crossing an ADIZ or going to Mexico. No problem
> >at all going into Canada with 2" numbers.
>
> Could you please quote the reg that makes this legally so.....
>
> Bob U.
Which part Bob? FAR 99 tells all about ADIZ and 45.29 talks about size,
I was wrong about 2" numbers they must be 3" and the aircraft must cruise slower
than 180kts.
Bob U.
>> >> Have I been wrongly under the impression that 2" letters are OK unless
>> >> crossing US borders (particularly coming back in after a trip outside
>> >> the southern border)?
>> >> --
>> >> Bruce A. Frank, Editor
>> >
>> >2" letters are fine unless crossing an ADIZ or going to Mexico. No problem
>> >at all going into Canada with 2" numbers.
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> Could you please quote the reg that makes this legally so.....
>> and under what conditions?
>>
>> Bob U.
>
>Which part Bob? FAR 99 tells all about ADIZ and 45.29 talks about size,
>I was wrong about 2" numbers they must be 3" and the aircraft must cruise slower
>than 180kts.
Ron Natilie answered my question fully as stated below.......
BUT, I still see NEW RV's sporting 2" letters.
Are they REFLECTING a design older than 30 years?
Is that the loophole?
Will everyone that wants 2" letters be able to get them signed off?
I think there are some FAA regions of the country that are ONLY going
to APPROVE the 12 inch jobbies - PERIOD!!!!
I find it hard to believe that the FAA is winking at this 12" vs 2"
rule for homebuilts on a gereral/blanket basis.
###########
Jerry Springer
I don't think he did answer all your question, here it is FAR 45.29 unless I am
really missing something here?
(iii) Marks at least 3 inches high may be displayed on an aircraft for
which an experimental certificate has been issued under Sec. 21.191(d) or
21.191(g) for operating as an exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built
aircraft when the maximum cruising speed of the aircraft does not exceed 180
knots CAS;
Bob U.
Ahhhh,
A straight answer at last.
Not a bad idea to ask the right question to get it.
I will properly CHASTIZE MYSELF for being too lazy or whatever for not
doing my OWN homework in the FAR's on this matter.
So...
Time to order the 3 inch lettering for my RV-3.
Which brings up the next question.
Who has some of the very best stick-on numbers.
Fancy ones would be nice.
I owe you a beverage of choice when we meet, Jerry.
You can't avoid me.... not even on purpose. <g>
BOb - sign painter wannabee - U.
Highflyer
>
> dmanddmer wrote:
> >
> > I know, that is why I put it in there. Guess I was too subtle. I still
> > don't get it about X, though.
>
> It just means "Experimental." There are limitations on which
> airplanes can use it: 30 years old, or "has the same external
> configuration" as an airplane 30 years old (or older.)
>
> Sooo..... build a Flybaby and you, too, can be X-rated.
>
A 1999 Cessna 172 has the same external configuration as a 1968 Cessna
172,
therefore it has the same external configuration as an airplane 30 years
old or older! Same for Bonanza, Cherokee, ...
I guess there are not very MANY airplanes that don't have the "same
configuration as an airplane 30 years old or older!" :-)
--
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Highflyer
>
> In article <37ba738a...@news.earthlink.net>,
> Badwater Bill <A Man Named Nobody> wrote:
> >We bought our Cessna P-210 this way but the number on it is:
> >
> >N210RP
> >
> >Nice 210 Retractable Pressurized
>
> And here I thought it meant "Nude 210-year-old with Ready Phinger".... :-)
Nope.
Nasty 210 with Rude Phillips!
HighFlyer
Highflight Aviation Services
Ron Natalie
>
> Alan Davenport wrote:
> >
> > dmanddmer wrote:
> > >
> > > I know, that is why I put it in there. Guess I was too subtle. I still
> > > don't get it about X, though.
> >
> > It just means "Experimental." There are limitations on which
> > airplanes can use it: 30 years old, or "has the same external
> > configuration" as an airplane 30 years old (or older.)
> >
> > Sooo..... build a Flybaby and you, too, can be X-rated.
> >
>
> A 1999 Cessna 172 has the same external configuration as a 1968 Cessna
> 172,
> therefore it has the same external configuration as an airplane 30 years
> old or older! Same for Bonanza, Cherokee, ...
>
But an 1999 C-172 neither has an Experimental Airworthiness certificate
nor is it 30 years old itself. Read the rule carefully.
Alan Davenport
Highflyer wrote:
>
> A 1999 Cessna 172 has the same external configuration as a 1968 Cessna 172,
> therefore it has the same external configuration as an airplane 30 years
> old or older! Same for Bonanza, Cherokee, ...
>
> I guess there are not very MANY airplanes that don't have the "same
> configuration as an airplane 30 years old or older!" :-)
So.... all you have to do is get FAA to register one of them as an
experimental (under Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g)) and it will then
meet the requirements of the FAR and be allowed to use 2" numbers!
Sec. 45.22
"...A small U.S.-registered aircraft built at least
30 years ago or a U.S.-registered aircraft for which
an experimental certificate has been issued under
Sec. 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operation as an
exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft
and which has the same external configuration..."
--
Alan Davenport W7APD at home dot com
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For the Aussies...
I saw a car rego plate (NSW) today:- VH-310
I wonder if he owned a Cessna?
(For the Americano's VH to us is like N to you'all.
)
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Paul Cook
news:1103_934605286@glauser...
> I saw Nike's corporate jet once (or one of them). It was N1KE. I also
liked
> hearing about the plane in Great Britain named G-WHIZ.
>
> David
> N82Gt
I've jumped out of
G-LEAP and G-ORED (Go Red - The Red Devils Islander)
Paul Cook
DG_pilot
controller or whoever else says it wrong by saying 30U.
Kinda interesting. Must be with that configuration of
numbers.
Dustin Graves
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David Munday
Wanttaja) wrote:
>In article <1103_934605286@glauser>, David <dgla...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>I saw Nike's corporate jet once (or one of them). It was N1KE.
>
>The N1KE registration used to belong to the net's own Peter Lert. The
>"Just do it" company wanted it *real bad*. I'll not steal Peter's thunder,
>other than to suggest that he and his family have never lacked for shoes
>since....
Ahh, the benefits of a classical education: shoes.
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Lee McGee
get a bit more subtle than the "N1N" genre.
I just recently reserved:
N78LN
for my Acroduster Too project. I hope to get it flying in
2001.
Alan S. Petrillo
>
> Most of the aerobatic palindromes are taken, so you need to
> get a bit more subtle than the "N1N" genre.
It isn't an aerobatic palindrome, but I recently saw a canadian
registered jet with the tail letters "C-FOOD".
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>> get a bit more subtle than the "N1N" genre.
>
>It isn't an aerobatic palindrome, but I recently saw a canadian
>registered jet with the tail letters "C-FOOD".
I saw C-GLOC for an aerobatic monoplane (think its
a 1Design) in the Canadian registry.
Cheers,
Peter
--
Ron Natalie
>
> Most of the aerobatic palindromes are taken, so you need to
> get a bit more subtle than the "N1N" genre.
>
>
> N78LN
A friend tried to register N0PE. Then he found out that
leading zeros aren't allowed. Too bad, would have been
a great N number.
HERD J D
:
: A friend tried to register N0PE. Then he found out that
: leading zeros aren't allowed. Too bad, would have been
: a great N number.
OK< he couldn't have N0PE but what about NOPE ?
Was that already taken or do you have requirements for umbers in the
rego?
--
Cheers,
Herdy.
he...@startrekmail.com
http://u2.newcastle.edu.au/~mgjdh
Float-By Shooter
wrote:
>Lee McGee wrote:
>>
>> Most of the aerobatic palindromes are taken, so you need to
>> get a bit more subtle than the "N1N" genre.
>>
>> I just recently reserved:
>>
>> N78LN
>
>A friend tried to register N0PE. Then he found out that
>leading zeros aren't allowed. Too bad, would have been
>a great N number.
Party pooper. *I* was gonna register that for my bearhawk. I guess I
should have known there was a reason the database showed it as being
available.
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That was the year the Wright Brothers made the first documented
POWERED!Fight, 17 DEC 1903. There were other earlier flights in non-powered
air vehicles.
Now let's get back to the title of this group CLEVER N-NUMBERS.
There are three that I know of:
# 1 A BEECH MUSCATEER N-2BW;
What is the reason for its cleverness, three reasons, aircraft color Black
Trim on a White Airframe, Owner is Black and his wife is/was White, and the
aircraft was flown mostly with only two on board.
#2 In 1984 there taxied in a BEECH BONANZA with the Reg'n No. N-80YD. Oner's
name? YEP! BOYD!
#3 This year a client of mine just repainted his CE-182 Reg'N No. N-182KE.
Their name, the man's Kenneth Earle, and his wife's name Kimberly.
Ken say it this number are his initials but Kim says differently, to solve
this Ken does the flying so the left side are his initials and the right
side is Kims.
Those are some of the clever ones I've come accross over the years.
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Jim Weir
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:
->Trim on a White Airframe, Owner is Black and his wife is/was White,
Ok, now you've got my curiosities up. What flavor is she now? And how did she
change?
Frank van der Hulst
>
> Well for the 1903 question;
>
> That was the year the Wright Brothers made the first documented
> POWERED!Fight, 17 DEC 1903. There were other earlier flights in non-powered
> air vehicles.
Close, but no cigar.
There were several powered flights before then. What the Wrights did was
CONTROLLED powered heavier-than-air flight.
> Now let's get back to the title of this group CLEVER N-NUMBERS.
OK... here in NZ, we have an optional ZK- followed by three letters (no
numbers).
Some I've seen...
TOY -- Corby Starlet.
KFC -- Fast food? A Pulsar XP.
PDQ -- Glasair.
CAT -- Grumman
MAD -- Pitts
PDZ -- C206 belonging to a parachuting outfit
PTO -- Pitts
TEX -- Beech D18 of the Confederate AF
WAR -- Harvard
WET -- Cessna 207 belonging to Waterwings Airways
WHY
XIV -- Spitfire Mk XIV
XVI -- Mk XVI
KGB, YAK, YAQ, YAX -- Yaks
Plus lots of aircraft with people's initials and variations on the
aircraft type.
Frank.
Bob U.
>
>> Now let's get back to the title of this group CLEVER N-NUMBERS.
>
>OK... here in NZ, we have an optional ZK- followed by three letters (no
>numbers).
>
>Some I've seen...
<SNIPS>
>
>Plus lots of aircraft with people's initials and variations on the
>aircraft type.
>
>Frank.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
THREE letter words would not be sufficient for the USA population.
FOUR LETTER WORDS on the other hand......
Bob - fowl mouth - U.
Mike Lund
JDupre5762 wrote in message
<19990907225947...@ng-fk1.aol.com>...
>>THREE letter words would not be sufficient for the USA population.
>>FOUR LETTER WORDS on the other hand......
>
>>From: ruokN...@mindspring.com (Bob U.)
>
>Well speaking of that in the latest Warbirds Worldwide is a photo of a T-6
in
>Germany with the registration D-FUKK.
>
> In A&P school we had to lay out a registration number and I intended to
use a
>psuedo Belgian registration OO-LALA but was kept from doing it on the
grounds
>it had to be an "N" number.
>
>Also American registration numbers consist of the Nationality Mark "N" and
up
>to five characters of which no more than the last two can be letters if
>preceded by at least one number excluding 0.
>
>Regards,
>
>John Dupre'
