Cri Cri plan on ioffer?
Monk
Anyone here bought from this guy? I don't think this is the licensed
copy since he's selling several and in CD format.
flybynightkarmarepair
He's pirating someone else's intellectual property. Do not buy from
this guy. The designer is still alive, and has explictly decided NOT
to sell plans in North America, after bad experiences with licensing
them to Falconar Avia Back In The Day.
Peter Dohm
>news:84297f8e-3397-49df-93bc->24be27...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
OTOH, although I used to think that the CriCri was an incredibly cool
concept, I am now convinced that it was really designed to make the BD-5
look like a "Mil-Spec" item. This is mostly because, although I do admit
that I have never personally seen a CriCri,. I seem to recall reading a lot
of the skins are 0.010 aluminum. (Cringe)
However, I am not favorably impressed with those who seem to assert
"intellectual property rights" simply to keep engineering precedent from
public view.
Therefore, IMHO, if you really intend to build this thing, please include me
in your will. But if you are simply curious about Michel Columban's design,
this may be the only way--and $20 plus shipping sounds reasonable enough.
Peter
Jerry Wass
serial #s conveyed.
Bob Kuykendall
> OTOH, although I used to think that the CriCri was an incredibly cool
> concept, I am now convinced that it was really designed to make the BD-5
> look like a "Mil-Spec" item. This is mostly because, although I do admit
> that I have never personally seen a CriCri,. I seem to recall reading a lot
> of the skins are 0.010 aluminum. (Cringe)
I have a set of the CriCri plans, and I have to say that I'm pretty
impressed with the drawings and the general instructions. I wouldn't
buy them from pirates such as this guy, but they are worth having if
only for their guidance on working with light-gauge metal and mixing
metal and Klegecell or PVC foam.
I skimmed the plans and didn't find any references to skins thinner
than 0.4mm (0.016"). That's a pretty typical skin thickness even for a
lot of Cessna parts. I know that Aeronca ailerons are riveted up out
of a lot of .016" parts including ribs, spars, and D-skins.
Thanks, Bob K.
cavelamb
Add to that -
Most of the Zodiac skins are .016 as well.
Peter Dohm
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Thanks, Bob K.
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Well, I was concerned that I may have misremembered--and did. :-(
It's no surprise that the plans are well drawn, as M. Columban is/was an
aeronautical engineer.
I, too, prefer to have true, licensed plans. However, if the licensed plans
have indeed become unavailable in my country because of a tiff involving a
previous commission agent, then anyone who genuinely wishes to review the
design appears to have little choice. It is really none of my concern
whether M. Columban "shot himself in the foot" with an excessively durable
agreement with a commission agent or is simply, as the Brits might phrase
it, "in a towering pet!"
Just my opinion, and of admittedly modest value...
Peter
Peter Dohm
"cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Thanks again for the correction. A thickness of .010 did seem too much like
Reynolds Warp, but it was what I thought that I recalled.
Peter
Fred the Red Shirt
> >"flybynightkarmarepair" <ryo...@lmi.net> wrote in message
> >On Jan 7, 6:15 pm, Monk <laon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.ioffer.com/i/83668696
>
> >> Anyone here bought from this guy? I don't think this is the licensed
> >> copy since he's selling several and in CD format.
>
> >this guy. The designer is still alive, and has explictly decided NOT
> >to sell plans in North America, after bad experiences with licensing
> >them to Falconar Avia Back In The Day.
>
> To quote a rather infamous comic strip character: "pfffttt!!!!"
>
> concept, I am now convinced that it was really designed to make the BD-5
> look like a "Mil-Spec" item. This is mostly because, although I do admit
> that I have never personally seen a CriCri,. I seem to recall reading a lot
> of the skins are 0.010 aluminum. (Cringe)
I have only seen one BD-5,(in a museum), and never seen a Cricri.
I'm also not familiar with the details of the safety record for
either.
But based only on a casual perusal of material available on the
internet
I would speculate that more Cri-cris have been safely flown in a
single
day than there have been BD 5s flown, ever.
>
> However, I am not favorably impressed with those who seem to assert
> "intellectual property rights" simply to keep engineering precedent from
> public view.
Happily that is not relevant to the present discussion.
>
> Therefore, IMHO, if you really intend to build this thing, please include me
> in your will. But if you are simply curious about Michel Columban's design,
> this may be the only way--and $20 plus shipping sounds reasonable enough.
>
I'm sure you can get a similarly good deal on slightly used tools if
you are
willing to buy them hot.
vaughn
"Fred the Red Shirt" <fredf...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 7, 11:03 pm, "Peter Dohm" <lefty...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>I have only seen one BD-5,(in a museum), and never seen a Cricri.
>I'm also not familiar with the details of the safety record for
>either But based only on a casual perusal of material available on the
>internet I would speculate that more Cri-cris have been safely flown in a
>single day than there have been BD 5s flown, ever.
I can only give you one data point. I have only seen exactly two Cri-cris
fly, and one of them crashed in front of my eyes. I have seen several BD-5s
fly (all jets as it turns out) and none crashed. At least, not while I was
watching.
Vaughn.