Jim Campbell - credentials?
Jez
surrounding Mr Jim Campbell, but I am particularly interested in verifying
whether Mr Campbell is a graduate of the US National Test Pilots School, and
also his flight experience and qualifications.
If anyone can point me to a reliable source of this information I would be
very grateful. I recall that someone here (John Ousterhout?) once collected
some documentary evidence (rather than just web stories) about his
credentials, but I cannot seem to find the website anymore.
TROLLING RIGHT ALONG
> I have no desire to start another major debacle over the rights or wrongs
> surrounding Mr Jim Campbell, but I am particularly interested in verifying
> whether Mr Campbell is a graduate of the US National Test Pilots School, and
> also his flight experience and qualifications.
Well excuse me Jez but if you have no desire to start another major
debate then WHY are YOU bringing the subject up again.
Your obviously very well aware the even the posting of his name inflames
many of the belchier people in this group so out of idle curiousity
why is it so important that this question with resulting comments about
any of his qualifications be dragged up again.
Since YOU don't want to start *** " another major debate " ***
why didn't YOU do a GOOGLE SEARCH.
Obviously this comment *** " another major debate " ***
clearly tells everyone in this group that YOU are very well aware
of *** " previous major debates " *** so don't plead ignorance.
If you are not a TROLL ------> PROVE IT
Charlie
Jez, If that lying bastard says he is a graduate of the US National
Test Pilots School you better just shut up and believe him. You can go
to that lying bastard's web site and read all about his
qualifications, exploits and deeds of derring-do. Believe everything
you read on that site! If he says something is true, and nobody calls
him on it, it has to be true, right? Well, nobody calls him on
anything anymore. If you are not already aware, the zoom wars are
over... zoom won. If he isn't busy flying secret spy missions in Iraq
in April, I'm sure he will be happy to show you his test pilot
credentials and graduation certificates at Sun-N-Fun. He will be there
this year. How could they possibly keep a hero out of their show. That
would be unconstitutional!
Charlie Porter
Jez
Google) and only found dead links or archived posts from here.
I need to verify some facts, as I believe that Mr Cambell has misrepresented
his credentials to another organisation.
I have the information I need now I think (as long as the dead site Richard
quoted comes alive again, I was unaware of the virus or whatever it is
causing the problem)
Sorry to have nearly started a flame war, I'll go back to my
cocoa.............
"TROLLING RIGHT ALONG" <s...@sack.com> wrote in message
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Jez
check again.
A rather decent flying magazine here in the UK has just taken him on as a
regular contributor, and as they quote his credentials in glowing terms (inc
the 1100 types and graduate of the National Test Pilots School!) I rather
think they have been taken in.
"Richard Riley" <Ric...@mylastname.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:40:01 -0000, "Jez" <J...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> :I have no desire to start another major debacle over the rights or wrongs
> The website is http://www.cyberis.net/~jouster/zoom/zoom.html (I
> can't get to it at the moment, but I believe it's still up - right
> now, with the SQL Slammer worm going around, I can't get to half the
> sites on the net.) It does have a lot of documentation.
>
> It's relatively well established that Mr. Campbell successfully
> completed a one week course of study at the National Test Pilot
> School. The course was described as an introduction to flight test.
> Juan Jimenez, who writes for him, has said that successfully
> completing a one week course should let Mr. Campbell legitimately
> claim to be a "graduate" of the school. On that basis, I can claim to
> have graduated from a wide variety of institutions, including Harvard,
> MIT, Cal Tech and Oxford.
>
> As to his claims to have flown more than 1000 different types, and
> more than 13,0000 hours, it's impossible to prove or disprove without
> Mr. Campbell's cooperation. But it is extraordinarily difficult to
> rack up those kinds of hours unless you are flying long hauls,
> professionally, for years at a time. Mr. Campbell is about 45 years
> old, and has worked most of his professional life as an aviation
> writer, editor or publisher. Other than his claims to have been a 747
> pilot for JAL (documented in the NTSB hearing on John's site) and
> claims - later shown to be untrue - about flying relief supplies in
> Africa, he's never said he worked as a professional pilot. When
> you're running a magazine you don't have time to put in flying 10
> hours per week - and that's what he would have had to have done, every
> week, from the time he was 20 years old, to have those hours. If
> nothing else, it's expensive!
>
> He did, at one time, hold fixed and rotary wing instructor certs.
>
> Has he flown 1000 different types of aircraft? Edwin Shackleton
> appears in 'The Guinness Book of World Records' every year as the
> person who has flown in more different types of aircraft than anyone
> else. I last checked with him his record stood at 724 types. Note,
> that's *in* 724 types. Not that he flew them himself.
>
Jez
answer, but this has now been given so hopefully this thread will die.
"Charlie" <fl...@flexwing.com> wrote in message
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Ron Wanttaja
>Thanks Richard. The web link is down at the moment, as you say, but I will
>check again.
>
>A rather decent flying magazine here in the UK has just taken him on as a
>regular contributor, and as they quote his credentials in glowing terms (inc
>the 1100 types and graduate of the National Test Pilots School!) I rather
>think they have been taken in.
They should check the Guiness Book of World Records. Last time I checked,
the record for the number of types flown was about 400. And it wasn't Mr.
Campbell.
BTW, shall we play "Cow Plop Bingo" with Zoom's "coverage" of Sun-N-Fun
this year? Cow Plop bingo is when the draw out a grid on a pasture and the
participants bet which grid a cow will be the first to poop in. I figure
we should all pick the dates that we think the first Zoom
complaint/accusation of wrongdoing by SnF (or associated organization) will
be published.
I'm picking the 6th of March.
Ron Wanttaja
Dave Hyde
> Don't tell me he applied to SETP!!?
It's probably pretty safe to say he's
a known quantity there. <g>
Dave 'eyewitness' Hyde
na...@brick.net
Morgans
"Jez" <J...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry, I spent about two hours searching on three search engines
(including
> Google) and only found dead links or archived posts from here.
>
> I need to verify some facts, as I believe that Mr Cambell has
misrepresented
> his credentials to another organisation.
>
> I have the information I need now I think (as long as the dead site
Richard
> quoted comes alive again, I was unaware of the virus or whatever it is
> causing the problem)
>
> Sorry to have nearly started a flame war, I'll go back to my
> cocoa.............
There was a worm on the east coast that made internet connections slow, or
nonexistent. Could be the reason for dead links.
--
Jim in NC
Warren & Nancy
Warren & Nancy
Warren
Jez
Mr Jim "Zoom" Campbell has just been taken on as a regular contributor to
"Pilot" magazine, here in the UK, with his first article being published
this month. This magazine is at the higher end of sport aviation magazines,
with coverage of vintage types as well as hot ships, rather than
microlights (ultralights) and more affordable a/c.
In Mr Campbell's first article in "Pilot" magazine, he is introduced with
the following bio (which presumably he provided to them):
"Jim has been flying for over thirty years and has now earned commercial and
flight instructor ratings in single and multi-engined planes and rotorcraft,
and has flown over 1,100 different aircraft, from ultralights to the F-16.
He is the author of sixteen aviation books, most notably the massive "Sport
Plane Resource Guide", the ultimate guide to sport plane kits, and "Air of
Injustice", an exhaustive look at the FAA's persecution of legendary test
pilot Bob Hoover. A graduate of the National Test Pilot School, he is the
Editor-in-Chief of Aero-News network, at www.aero-news.net".
I have a suspicion that the magazine might not know of his history of
misrepresentation etc, as they have a pretty good reputation over here. I
know the assistant editor vaguely, and thought I'd do a bit of research into
the facts before giving him a call.
"Warren & Nancy" <99...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Ron Wanttaja
>OK, but promise not to start a major rant, OK?
Well, just this once. :-)
>He is the author of sixteen aviation books...
I'd be most curious to find out the titles of those sixteen. I'm aware of
about five... an Ultralight guide in the '80s, two editions of the SRG, the
aero-legal guide, and the Hoover book. All but the Ultralight book were
self-published.
Of course, when someone is their own publisher, it's easy enough to inflate
the statistics. All you need to do is file the appropriate paperwork (as
publisher) to have the book listed in "Books in Print."
Zoom's publishing company was "Kindred Spirits Press." Either somebody
else is using that name now, or Jimmy has become far more mellow than any
of us realized... :-)
http://www.kindredspiritspress.com
Ron Wanttaja
Ronn Walker
problems, seems zoomer has hoodwinked another one.
If you can find it, go back and read the hearing notes when Zoom had his
medical revoked. It details many of his lies. Also fun is where he was
caught in Oklahoma acting as a "Doctor" with no liscense.
D. Grunloh
TROLLING RIGHT ALONG wrote:
> Obviously this comment *** " another major debate " ***
> clearly tells everyone in this group that YOU are very well aware
> of *** " previous major debates " *** so don't plead ignorance.
>
> If you are not a TROLL ------> PROVE IT
Who is asking?
--Dan Grunloh
Sean Trost
and went to http://www.aero-news.net/news/sport.cfm?ContentBlockID=7596
before posting.
all the best
Sean Trost
> :
> :BTW, shall we play "Cow Plop Bingo" with Zoom's "coverage" of Sun-N-Fun
> :this year? Cow Plop bingo is when the draw out a grid on a pasture and
the
> :participants bet which grid a cow will be the first to poop in. I figure
> :we should all pick the dates that we think the first Zoom
> :complaint/accusation of wrongdoing by SnF (or associated organization)
will
> :be published.
> :
> :I'm picking the 6th of March.
>
> Feb 24 for me
>
> I will contribute $5 to the pool, and propose that the prize be a good
> single malt.
Ron Wanttaja
<ro...@tropicalhelicopter.com> wrote:
> Considering 'ol Zoom can't hold a medical...
He was able to regain his medical about three years after the 1980
revocation, and was listed as having one right up until the FAA gave people
the option to opt-out of the publicly-released listings.
> If you can find it, go back and read the hearing notes when Zoom had his
>medical revoked. It details many of his lies. Also fun is where he was
>caught in Oklahoma acting as a "Doctor" with no liscense.
I got a kick out of how his story changed between his testimony during the
NTSB hearing in '80 and his testimony during his lawsuit against Sun-N-Fun
in '98: In 1980, he said that he definitely had a problem and was
undergoing psychiatric care, but in '98 he said the impersonations were all
in fun.....
Ron Wanttaja
ChuckSlusarczyk
>I got a kick out of how his story changed between his testimony during the
>NTSB hearing in '80 and his testimony during his lawsuit against Sun-N-Fun
>in '98: In 1980, he said that he definitely had a problem and was
>undergoing psychiatric care, but in '98 he said the impersonations were all
>in fun.....
He's had time to hone his story LOL!! I know!!...he was impersonating someone
who was undergoing psychiatric care for impersonating someone who was
impersonating him while he was impersonating them.........I think.
I can't believe zoomie is still believing his own BS.
See ya
Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret.
"credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s
ChuckSlusarczyk
>:BTW, shall we play "Cow Plop Bingo" with Zoom's "coverage" of Sun-N-Fun
>:this year? Cow Plop bingo is when the draw out a grid on a pasture and the
>:participants bet which grid a cow will be the first to poop in. I figure
>:we should all pick the dates that we think the first Zoom
>:complaint/accusation of wrongdoing by SnF (or associated organization) will
>:be published.
>:
>:I'm picking the 6th of March.
>
>
>I will contribute $5 to the pool, and propose that the prize be a good
>single malt.
Count me in for $5.00 and I take 14th of March
See ya
Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret
Can we do the drinking game next??
ChuckSlusarczyk
>In Mr Campbell's first article in "Pilot" magazine, he is introduced with
>the following bio (which presumably he provided to them):
>
>"Jim has been flying for over thirty years and has now earned commercial and
>flight instructor ratings in single and multi-engined planes and rotorcraft,
>and has flown over 1,100 different aircraft, from ultralights to the F-16.
zoom considers a red Cessna a different aircraft from a blue one. The F-16 he
got a "ride" in like many other writers do. He trys to create the image that he
was the PIC but the reality was that he was just a passenger. He does that all
the time "playing with words" to create a perception that is very different then
the reality. Another example was when he said he was going to speak at Edwards
AFB to a group of test pilots. The perception he created was that he was a
speaker to the group. The reality was he went to the EAA chapter 1000 meeting
that was being held in a meeting room at Edwards. The group has members who are
in fact test pilots but they were there for the meeting. He was introduced as a
guest and he introduced himself and offered some free magazines to them. End of
his "speech". He's a phony that makes Walter Mitty look like a piker.
Tell your editor friend if they don't want to lose credibility for their
publication to steer clear of zoom.
>I have a suspicion that the magazine might not know of his history of
>misrepresentation etc, as they have a pretty good reputation over here. I
>know the assistant editor vaguely, and thought I'd do a bit of research into
>the facts before giving him a call.
Tell them to check out google under cap10zoom or zoom or jim campbell and
they'll get an education on that guy.
See ya
Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret
"credibility it was always about credibility" chuck s
ChuckSlusarczyk
>Your obviously very well aware the even the posting of his name inflames
>many of the belchier people in this group so out of idle curiousity
>why is it so important that this question with resulting comments about
>any of his qualifications be dragged up again.
Because it would seem zoom is misrepresenting himself AGAIN. By not saying
anything we become enablers and allow him to BS his way into another
publication. He depends on people forgeting what he has done in the past and is
trying to develop a new batch of zoomies.
>
>If you are not a TROLL ------> PROVE IT
How about you? you sound more like a troll then he does.
I remain
Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret
"evil didn't prosper because good men spoke and evil was nuts" anon
Corky Scott
<ChuckSlusar...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>He's had time to hone his story LOL!! I know!!...he was impersonating someone
>who was undergoing psychiatric care for impersonating someone who was
>impersonating him while he was impersonating them.........I think.
>
>I can't believe zoomie is still believing his own BS.
That, of course, is the problem with people who have his particular
neurosis: they are incapable of believing they have a problem.
People with phobia's know they have them and most want to change, to
overcome their phobia. But when you are afflicted with the type of
personality disorder with which Zoomer has been diagnosed, it's far
more difficult for the individual to deal with it because he can't see
the problem. The people who tell him he has a problem are of course
his enemies, so why believe them?
Hence the age old psychiatric saying: "People can change, but not
until they want to."
Zoomer will never change because he does not believe there's anything
wrong with him.
Corky Scott
Warren & Nancy
few hints directly.
ChuckSlusarczyk
>
>Ill pick today, the 27th of Jan. But I cant claim the malt cause I cheated
>and went to http://www.aero-news.net/news/sport.cfm?ContentBlockID=7596
>before posting.
>
>all the best
>Sean Trost
Curses ...foiled again! boy some of the best layed plans are eggs...
I guess it's back to the drinking game .
See ya
Chuck RAH-15/1 ret
"the early bird gets the worm ,unless it's a Parrot"
Bob Chilcoat
Website: http://www.pilotweb.co.uk
--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)
"Warren & Nancy" <99...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Jez
Thanks for the defence. We met at Sun n Fun briefly last year (I was the
bearded Brit, one of many who took pictures of your "Sphinctomatic").
To the other character making accusations:
I'm most certainly not trolling, I now have the information I needed to try
and inform a well-respected British aviation magazine of the nature of the
person they have now employed, hopefully this will result in fewer people
being taken in by this character. As far as I'm concerned the matter is now
closed.
"ChuckSlusarczyk" <ChuckSlusar...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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Holden
> Thanks Richard. The web link is down at the moment, as you say, but I will
> check again.
>
> A rather decent flying magazine here in the UK has just taken him on as a
> regular contributor, and as they quote his credentials in glowing terms (inc
> the 1100 types and graduate of the National Test Pilots School!) I rather
> think they have been taken in.
>
Jez,
A magazine that cannot tell the character of the writer is likely to
have other writers with questionable "credibility" and hence the
magazine is logically of questionable credibility. Hype loves hype,
and hype sells to naive people.
Are you sure JC did not claim 100 different airplanes? Being PIC for
100 different airplanes would be difficult but not impossible in 30
years if that person set that as a goal.
Perhaps Mr. Campbell should state his "credential" here on RAH.
Holden
Alan Staats
wrote:
>Maybe what we need is an e-mail address of the English mag. Then we could drop a
>few hints directly.
>
why, here it is now. replace the AT with @ and voila'.
dave.calderwoodATpilotweb.co.uk
alan staats
http://www.flightleveldesign.net
Dave Hyde
> Maybe what we need is an e-mail address of the English mag. Then we could drop a
> few hints directly.
I suggest that if Jez is for real (and I have no reason
to doubt it) that the magazine people would be more likely
to believe a gentle prodding from someone they know than
to blindly accept a bunch of letters from unknowns, most of
whom *could* be perceived as having an axe to grind.
I suspect they'll get it, sooner or later.
Dave 'faithful' Hyde
na...@brick.net
RAH-15/unserved
Ron Wanttaja
>Are you sure JC did not claim 100 different airplanes?
No, it's similar to claims he's made in his own publications and on his own
web page.
Ron Wanttaja
Ron Wanttaja
>Warren & Nancy wrote:
>
>> Maybe what we need is an e-mail address of the English mag. Then we could drop a
>> few hints directly.
>
>I suggest that if Jez is for real (and I have no reason
>to doubt it) that the magazine people would be more likely
>to believe a gentle prodding from someone they know than
>to blindly accept a bunch of letters from unknowns, most of
>whom *could* be perceived as having an axe to grind.
I agree with Nauga. They'll figure it out, sooner or later. In any case,
this actually is a fairly good solution to the Zoom problem: It puts an
editor in charge of his work who Zoom cannot fire. If Campbell writes a
slam against Chuck, El Pollo Loco can put his case in front of the
editor...and the editor will likely *print* Chuck's side...as well as the
letters from those who write-in in Chuck's defense. Zoom's not used to
that....
Ron Wanttaja
ChuckSlusarczyk
holden...@yahoo.com says...
>>Are you sure JC did not claim 100 different airplanes? Being PIC for
>100 different airplanes would be difficult but not impossible in 30
>years if that person set that as a goal.
>
>Perhaps Mr. Campbell should state his "credential" here on RAH.
>
Positive that he made the claim of 1100 planes . I have copies of his own
publications and promo flyers making the claim. Actually I think the first claim
was 750 and over the course of about 4 or 5 years it went to 800 ,900 and
finally the big 1000 which he had the announcer announce his claim. Now it's
1100 ,he's a phony, always was and still is... If you like I can dig the flyers
up where he makes these claims and send you some copies.
ChuckSlusarczyk
>
>Chuck,
>
>Thanks for the defence. We met at Sun n Fun briefly last year (I was the
>bearded Brit, one of many who took pictures of your "Sphinctomatic").
>
Now I can really vouch for you :-) I remember you taking pics of the
"Sphinctomatic Safety Pilot Restraint System". Our motto "the bigger the fear
the better it grips". If I remember right we were talking about the late Steve
Hunt and Jerry Breen. I did another episode of Junkyard Wars (Scrapyard Wars in
the UK) last aug and it will air sometime in March .
Be sure to stop by and say hi if you go to SnF this year.
Cheers
Chuck S
Jez
> Now I can really vouch for you :-) I remember you taking pics of the
> "Sphinctomatic Safety Pilot Restraint System". Our motto "the bigger the
fear
> the better it grips". If I remember right we were talking about the late
Steve
> Hunt and Jerry Breen. I did another episode of Junkyard Wars (Scrapyard
Wars in
> the UK) last aug and it will air sometime in March .
>
> Be sure to stop by and say hi if you go to SnF this year.
> Cheers
>
> Chuck S
>
Indeed we were. The picture of your infamous restraint system I took was
published in the British Microlight Aircraft Association magazine, in a
write up I did of Sun'n'Fun. I could perhaps scan the article and email it
to you. The Scrapheap Challenge/Junkyard Wars episode was screened over the
Christmas break here. By coincidence, I was in one of the Brit teams that
were competing to represent the UK in that programme, but Billy Brooks team
did a better job than us so his team got to go. I won't give the result
away, as maybe it hasn't been screened in the US yet. I may well be at
S'n'F with a group of other UK microlighters/ultralighters. I'll come over
for a chat about the exploits of Zoomie over here in the land of rain and
snow...................
Paul Franz
Jez wrote:
> I have a suspicion that the magazine might not know of his history of
> misrepresentation etc, as they have a pretty good reputation over here. I
> know the assistant editor vaguely, and thought I'd do a bit of research into
> the facts before giving him a call.
This is pretty much the complete Zoom story.
<http://www.cyberis.net/~jouster/zoom/zoom.html>
I did some research about him a couple years ago and posted the findings
on the Kitfox mailing list and subsequently someone forwarded them to
Jim Campbell and he phoned me threatening law suit. As far as I know if
you write something that is true, not exaggerated and verified, it is
not slander.
Some people really like to defend him and are real fans of his magazine.
I have wondered if these people were just not aware of his history.
You'll see from the site above when it comes back up, that Jim has
provided a wide range of credentials for various things which are false.
Not limited to aviation either. To me, his actions in this regard have
been repeated so often and for such a long time that his credibility is
very low with me.
He has said he was a test pilot for some aircraft that he wasn't even
granted permission to take the controls while a qualified pilot actually
did the flying.
If you have some doubts about his qualifications or certification, you
should contact the organization that grants his claimed experience and
certification.
Barnyard BOb --
Paul Franz <pa...@eucleides.com> wrote:
>Jez wrote:
>> I have a suspicion that the magazine might not know of his history of
>> misrepresentation etc, as they have a pretty good reputation over here. I
>> know the assistant editor vaguely, and thought I'd do a bit of research into
>> the facts before giving him a call.
>
>This is pretty much the complete Zoom story.
>
><http://www.cyberis.net/~jouster/zoom/zoom.html>
>
>I did some research about him a couple years ago and posted the findings
>on the Kitfox mailing list and subsequently someone forwarded them to
>Jim Campbell and he phoned me threatening law suit. As far as I know if
>you write something that is true, not exaggerated and verified, it is
>not slander.
>
>Some people really like to defend him and are real fans of his magazine.
>I have wondered if these people were just not aware of his history.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There will always be a segment of a population that
cannot be mentally reached... no matter what proof is
presented. That's just the way some brains are wired.
These defectives are known as 'zombies', er, "zoomies".
Dr. Barnyard BOb
ChuckSlusarczyk
>Indeed we were. The picture of your infamous restraint system I took was
>published in the British Microlight Aircraft Association magazine, in a
>write up I did of Sun'n'Fun. I could perhaps scan the article and email it
>to you. The Scrapheap Challenge/Junkyard Wars episode was screened over the
>Christmas break here. By coincidence, I was in one of the Brit teams that
>were competing to represent the UK in that programme, but Billy Brooks team
>did a better job than us so his team got to go. I won't give the result
>away, as maybe it hasn't been screened in the US yet. I may well be at
>S'n'F with a group of other UK microlighters/ultralighters. I'll come over
>for a chat about the exploits of Zoomie over here in the land of rain and
>snow...................
I'd love to see the article ...email away at <chuck...@adelphia.net> Was the
show that was shown over Christmas the one with 3 teams ,US,British and French ?
Thanks for not giving it away by saying who won, I enjoy not knowing . If you do
make it over for the SnF by all means stop by .If you stop on the second day of
the show you can come to the Hawk Owners Party at our booth that evening.
Yipes ..zoomies gone International!! Wonder how long it will be before he says "
Govern yourself accordingly" or "I'm gonna sue you" LOL!!
Cheers
Chuck S RAH 15/1 ret
ChuckSlusarczyk
>I did some research about him a couple years ago and posted the findings
>on the Kitfox mailing list and subsequently someone forwarded them to
>Jim Campbell and he phoned me threatening law suit. As far as I know if
>you write something that is true, not exaggerated and verified, it is
>not slander.
True enough ,it's zooms style to threaten to sue to bully people.
>Some people really like to defend him and are real fans of his magazine.
Also true but some people like Jane Fonda and Charlie Manson :-)
>I have wondered if these people were just not aware of his history.
>You'll see from the site above when it comes back up, that Jim has
>provided a wide range of credentials for various things which are false.
>Not limited to aviation either. To me, his actions in this regard have
>been repeated so often and for such a long time that his credibility is
>very low with me.
That's how I got into my confrontation with him ,I asked him to prove what he
said. If you see the list of 100 questions Tony was going to ask when he got
zoom on the stand the answers are already known and the paper work to back them
up available. It's about credibility all right and zoom lost his a long time
ago.
>He has said he was a test pilot for some aircraft that he wasn't even
>granted permission to take the controls while a qualified pilot actually
>did the flying.
That's how he plays with words, the perception he creates is that he was the
test pilot, the reality is he went for a ride. Same with when he says he is a
graduate of a test pilot school,creating the perception that he is a bonifide
test pilot .The reality is,he took a one week course . You don't get to be a
test pilot in one week..He's a phoney and most thinking people who run into him
figure it out real quick...
>
>If you have some doubts about his qualifications or certification, you
>should contact the organization that grants his claimed experience and
>certification.
Excellent suggestion and a well written post.
See ya
Chuck S RAH15/1 ret
Jerry
Or Democrats ;-)
>
> Dr. Barnyard BOb
>
Warren & Nancy
Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
Why didn't you just quote P.T. Barnum?
Barnyard BOb --
Warren & Nancy <99...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >Some people really like to defend him and are real fans of his magazine.
>> >I have wondered if these people were just not aware of his history.
>> There will always be a segment of a population that
>> cannot be mentally reached... no matter what proof is
>> presented. That's just the way some brains are wired.
>> These defectives are known as 'zombies', er, "zoomies".
>>
>> Dr. Barnyard BOb
>
>Why didn't you just quote P.T. Barnum?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
BAH, HUMBUG, Warren.
I didn't quote PT Barnum 'cause...
he NEVER SAID what you think he said !
`The greatest humbug of all is the man who believes -
or pretends to believe - that everything and everybody are
humbugs. We sometimes meet a person who professes that
there is no virtue; that every man has his price, and every
woman hers; that any statement from anybody is just as likely
to be false as true and that the only way to decide which,
is to consider whether truth or a lie was likely to have paid best
in that particular case. Religion he thinks one of the smartest
business dodges extant, a first rate investment, and by all odds
the most respectable disguise that a lying or swindling business
man can wear. Honor he thinks is a sham. Honesty he considers
a plausible word to flourish in the eyes of the greener portion of
our race.... Poor fellow! he has exposed his own nakedness.
Instead of showing that others are rotten inside, he has proved
that he is.'' - P.T. Barnum, in The Humbugs of the World
American legend P.T. Barnum is better known for saying,
"There's a sucker born every minute.'' A charmingly
appropriate legacy, that, since it wasn't he who said it. <--<<<<<
http://www.sniggle.net/barnum.php
Additionally...
Captain Alexander Williams, a New York City police inspector
at the time, attributed "There's a sucker born every minute, but
none of them ever die" to Joseph Bessimer, a notorious confidence
trickster of the early 1880s known to the police as "Paper Collar
Joe". See P. T. Barnum: the Legend and the Man,
by A. H. Saxon(Columbia University Press, 1989).
http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxtheres.html
I buy you books, send you to school
and you still don't know nuthin'.
You must be an ex Chrysler engineer
and/or a rocket scientist.
Barnyard Bob - the Urban Legend
AL Mills
Ron, why do you call Chick a crazy chicken? I mean, I've been to the Hawk
fly-in so I know why you might call him loco. I don't suppose El Pollo is
for the Hawk?
AL
Del Rawlins
<some stuff about captain zoom>
Hey, did you ever finish your Merlin?
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Jez
> Was the show that was shown over Christmas the one with 3 teams
,US,British and French ?
> Thanks for not giving it away by saying who won, I enjoy not knowing . If
you do
> make it over for the SnF by all means stop by .If you stop on the second
day of
> the show you can come to the Hawk Owners Party at our booth that evening.
>
> Yipes ..zoomies gone International!! Wonder how long it will be before he
says "
> Govern yourself accordingly" or "I'm gonna sue you" LOL!!
>
> Cheers
>
> Chuck S RAH 15/1 ret
>
> "evil didn't prosper because good men spoke and evil was nuts" anon
>
The show was the 3 nations one, with no power tools. I guess it's due to
be screened over there some time soon. Usually you get this show before we
do, so I've no idea why they've swapped the order around this time. The
"gliders" show is one of my favourites on video, simply for the excellent
demonstration of team leadership, cooperation and working in peaceful
harmony that one team presented.............. Billy Brooks did the UK
gliders one over here a few years ago, but it wasn't as entertaining as the
US one.
Thanks for the invite, if I go this year I might well take you up on it.
I'll scan and email the article this weekend.
Bob Kuykendall
>...but it wasn't as entertaining as the US one.
Ah, but if it's the show I think I remember it was, it featured a
personable and gracious (and sadly, now late) Anne Welch (sp?) as
guest expert. And also some beautiful film of winch launches at
historic Lasham.
Jez
greatly.
"Bob Kuykendall" <b...@hpaircraft.com> wrote in message
news:42f0299c.03013...@posting.google.com...
Ron Wanttaja
wrote:
It's a long-time nickname for Chuck...where ya been Al? Run a Google
Groups advanced search on it. I found 243 hits on RAH alone.
Came from his chicken thievery, of course. He does have Hawk with "El
Pollo Loco" nose art....
Ron Wanttaja
John Ammeter
NOT thievery!! The original incident stems from a public
party sponsored by Jim "Capt Zoom" Campbell at Sun N Fun.
JC alleges that Chuck stole a chicken leg from the party.
NOT TRUE because it was against SNF rules to have a private
party on the grounds. Hence, any party was an open party;
AND the chicken being served was thus free for the taking.
Now, if you were to consider the outright theft of Pastor
Daves chicken (specially anointed with his own brand of
secret sauce) at Pinckneyville.... Then Chuck may be
considered a "chicken thief"... But the sight of Pastor
Dave chasing Chuck around the hangar was well worth the
airfair to attend that event.
John
Warren & Nancy
Barnyard BOb -- wrote:
And I am also an old phart with CRS too!
AL Mills
> It's a long-time nickname for Chuck...where ya been Al? Run a Google
> Groups advanced search on it. I found 243 hits on RAH alone.
really didn't know (remember?) the reason.
> Came from his chicken thievery, of course. He does have Hawk with "El
> Pollo Loco" nose art....
I seem to recall having seen the nose art. I just couldn't remember what the
origin of the nickname was. El Pollo Loco and Muzzleloader together conjure
up some interesting images.
AL
David Pincus
You think so do you, Ampmeter? WELL I *DIDN'T*!!!
My CHICKEN! MY SPECIAL BUZZ & NED'S BBQ sauce I brought all the way from
Richmond! And that *@$(#&*^%#(%*@ "Pisser-in-Lake-Erie" *STOLE* my first
piece!!! Leave it to a Buckeye Yankee to be a chicken thief! And
stealing from a man of the cloth no less! Cluck is no better than a
cattle-rustler... they all should be hanged by their thumbs and beaten
by Polish nuns with rulers!... NO, yardsticks!!! Metal yardsticks!!!
'Pastor' Dave
David Pincus
> British and French ?
> Thanks for not giving it away by saying who won, I enjoy not knowing .
>
>
> Chuck S RAH 15/1 ret
Dear Cluck,
Lemme see here. You were the US team captain and *YOU* don't know who
won?
Don't they anounce the winner and give them a trophy or somthing???
'Pastor' Dave
Jez
"David Pincus" <dbpi...@DELETEattbi.com> wrote in message
news:3E3CD3...@DELETEattbi.com...
Actually Dave, Chuck was the "judge" on this one....................
David Pincus
Better still. Shouldn't he know who won??? What about it, Cluck?
'Pastor' Dave
Ron Wanttaja
wrote:
>> Actually Dave, Chuck was the "judge" on this one....................
>
>Better still. Shouldn't he know who won??? What about it, Cluck?
C'mon, Rev. When have *you* ever seen a judge that could tell his arse
from his elbow? :-)
Besides, Chuck's lips are sealed. That's what happens when you add a dash
of superglue to the muzzleloader mix....
Ron Wanttaja
David Pincus
Ron,
Chuck said he didn't know who won, NOT that he was keeping it a secret:
> Thanks for not giving it away by saying who won, I enjoy not knowing.
So I was just asking Chuck how could he *NOT* know? He was there as a
judge wasn't he?
'Pastor' Dave
ChuckSlusarczyk
>>Better still. Shouldn't he know who won??? What about it, Cluck?
In my best Corp Schultz voice......Nathing I know naaaating!!
>
>C'mon, Rev. When have *you* ever seen a judge that could tell his arse
>from his elbow? :-)
Yeah that's true but I wasn't judging arses and elbows ,in fact I'm not sure
they had any elbows there .
>
>Besides, Chuck's lips are sealed. That's what happens when you add a dash
>of superglue to the muzzleloader mix....
Actully the ML prevents the super glue from setting up until it evaporates but
my lips are sealed. Unless......
See ya
Chuck (here comes da Judge) S
ChuckSlusarczyk
>
>My CHICKEN! MY SPECIAL BUZZ & NED'S BBQ sauce I brought all the way from
>Richmond! And that *@$(#&*^%#(%*@ "Pisser-in-Lake-Erie" *STOLE* my first
>piece!!! Leave it to a Buckeye Yankee to be a chicken thief! And
>stealing from a man of the cloth no less! Cluck is no better than a
>cattle-rustler... they all should be hanged by their thumbs and beaten
>by Polish nuns with rulers!... NO, yardsticks!!! Metal yardsticks!!!
>
>'Pastor' Dave
Dave ,Dave ,Dave
Chill out it's been 5 years and your still mourning the loss of one little
piece of chicken .By the way it was excellent !! You gotta get over it ,ill send
ya a piece of chicken in the mail to even us up .That way you can sleep and I
can get some peace :-)
El Pollo Loco
Warren & Nancy
ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
Are you going to take some more of that special BBQ sauce to PJY this year? That
might make the trip worthwhile just to see what all the commotion is all about. I
only got some ot the "regular" chicken that year.
Warren
Barnyard BOb --
Pssst...
I've had some of that chicken and special BBQ sauce.
It won't knock you out like Muzzle Loader.
Not even close!
BOb - R.I.P. - U
Ron Wanttaja
>Weren't the results in an article in Custom Planes a couple of months ago?
Nah, that was a different episode. There have been three build-an-aircraft
episodes of Junkyard Wars:
1. "Flying Machines," with two British teams. One built a canard glider
using wings from a wrecked aircraft, the other made a rogallo wing.
2. "Glider," starring Barnaby and Chuck as the technical expert for the
two teams. This is the episode you saw mentioned in Custom Planes
3. A *third* episode, shot last summer, where Chuck was the judge. This
third episode takes three teams from different countries, and has them
build an engine-powered aircraft. IIRC, they're restricted to tools dating
from 1910 or so.
The third episode apparently aired in Great Britain over Christmas, and is
due to air on TLC in March.
Videos of the first two episodes are available on the TLC web page, and
make a pretty good EAA program if your chapter has a low percentage of
cable TV watchers.
Ron "I can't wait" Wanttaja
ChuckSlusarczyk
>>In my best Corp Schultz voice......Nathing I know naaaating!!
>
>Sargent Shultz. How about some respect for an overweight fictional Nazi?
I knew him when he was still a Corporal like his boss :-)
>
>Weren't the results in an article in Custom Planes a couple of months ago?
>
I knowww naathing
Chuck (out of work Judge) S
ChuckSlusarczyk
>The article I read was about the three international team, period plane with
>engines, chuck-as-judge episode, and it told who won. I'm pretty sure it was
>custom planes but I might be wrong on that point.
>
Ahhh that's not what you read,it was another show about ahhh 3 guys on a
deserted island ,yeah that's it 3 guys Yeah a French guy ,a Brit and an American
yeah . Yeah that's it and they met a guy named Chuck yeah that's right and , and
,and they decided to build a airpl uh submarine Yeah a sub and ahh ,then they
found a 1910 junkyard yeah that's it. they found a junkyard with old tools and
cars and had a contest to aaaaaaa see who's sub could fly the best Yeah that's
what they did. and a nobody's supposed to know who won yeah except somebody
couldn't keep a secret yeah and he squealed to the feds.Yeah that's right that's
what he did and now nobody knows nothing...Nothing?? Ya I knoooow nathing
,nnnnnaathing.
David Pincus
You know nothing, eh Cluck? Well, do you remember whether or not you
took the American entry up and flew over everyone, giving them your
"Lake Erie Ballast Tank Emptying" demonstration???
'Pastor' Dave :)
ChuckSlusarczyk
>
>You know nothing, eh Cluck? Well, do you remember whether or not you
>took the American entry up and flew over everyone, giving them your
>"Lake Erie Ballast Tank Emptying" demonstration???
>
>'Pastor' Dave :)
They wouldn't let me fly any of them but I did my demo anyway :-)
Cluck the Chuck