4-seater with a stick
Thomas Straub
I have an unusual set of requirements for an aircraft to buy. I want a
4-seater, spin capability required, basic aerobatic capability desired,
low-wing preferred but not mandatory, with stick controls, not yokes.
Can anyone provide make & models of any used planes in the under
$100,000 price range that meet these requirements? I'm open to
production, warbird, or experimental aircraft. Thanx, Checksixer
Ryan Young
Morane-Sualnier(sp), later SOCATA (French) made an airplane just like that
called the Rallye, enough were imported that there may be a market. I
recall reading pilot reports in all the usual places. Or try finding an
aerobatic Bonanza. There is also a 4 place Zlin that meets that
description in current production. Finally, a Piper Clipper has all that
in a high wing, except aerobatics, and is definitely your cheapest option,
if you can find one to buy.
The Chistavia MKIV would roughly compare with the Clipper in capability.
I can't think of a low wing 4-holer with Aero capability. You may have to
have someone design you one...
Fritz Wagoner
Thomas Straub wrote:
>
> I have an unusual set of requirements for an aircraft to buy. I want a
> 4-seater, spin capability required, basic aerobatic capability desired,
> low-wing preferred but not mandatory, with stick controls, not yokes.
> Can anyone provide make & models of any used planes in the under
> $100,000 price range that meet these requirements? I'm open to
> production, warbird, or experimental aircraft. Thanx, Checksixer
I think the big Murphy Rebel has 4 seats and sticks, but it's a high
wing.
Scott Derrick
Any of the 4 seat canards, Velocity, Cozy, SQ2000 use sticks.
they won't spin tho.
A. Peillet & M. Long
>Thomas Straub wrote:
>>
>> I have an unusual set of requirements for an aircraft to buy. I want a
>> 4-seater, spin capability required, basic aerobatic capability desired,
>> low-wing preferred but not mandatory, with stick controls, not yokes.
>> Can anyone provide make & models of any used planes in the under
>> $100,000 price range that meet these requirements? I'm open to
>> production, warbird, or experimental aircraft. Thanx, Checksixer
>
>I think the big Murphy Rebel has 4 seats and sticks, but it's a high
>wing.
The larger three- and four-seat Jodel/Robin aircraft might meet your
requirements. The are wood-and-fabric with a long history as both
homebuilts and production types. I'm sure that they are spin-approved as
the French and other European flight training requirements are more
rigorous than the FAA ones. At lighter weights they MAY be suitable for
basic aerobatics.
Is the trade-off between more training accidents vs. realistic stall-spin
training worth it? I don't think so, but that's another thread. :)
If your French isn't up to snuff, then you could probably talk to a
British dealer or flip through the classified ads in any one of several
British aviation mags available on American newsstands.
Of course, I don't really know if you're in the USA....
Good luck!
--
Matthew Long & Agnes Peillet
Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts, USA
owln...@gis.net
Klein Gilhousen
A. Peillet & M. Long wrote:
>
> In article <349B3E...@zianet.com>, fwag...@zianet.com wrote:
>
> >Thomas Straub wrote:
> >>
> >> I have an unusual set of requirements for an aircraft to buy. I want a
> >> 4-seater, spin capability required, basic aerobatic capability desired,
> >> low-wing preferred but not mandatory, with stick controls, not yokes.
> >> Can anyone provide make & models of any used planes in the under
> >> $100,000 price range that meet these requirements? I'm open to
> >> production, warbird, or experimental aircraft. Thanx, Checksixer
> >
> >I think the big Murphy Rebel has 4 seats and sticks, but it's a high
> >wing.
>
> The larger three- and four-seat Jodel/Robin aircraft might meet your
> requirements. The are wood-and-fabric with a long history as both
> homebuilts and production types. I'm sure that they are spin-approved as
> the French and other European flight training requirements are more
> rigorous than the FAA ones. At lighter weights they MAY be suitable for
> basic aerobatics.
>
> Is the trade-off between more training accidents vs. realistic stall-spin
> training worth it? I don't think so, but that's another thread. :)
>
> If your French isn't up to snuff, then you could probably talk to a
> British dealer or flip through the classified ads in any one of several
> British aviation mags available on American newsstands.
>
Sounds to me like a Yak-18T fits all your requirements.
I has four seats, fully aerobatic, stick controlled (I
think), 360 hp radial engine, tricycle retractable. Has
warbird look. Reasonably priced.
Klein Gilhousen
Yak-54 N14026
Rick Macklem
: Thomas Straub wrote:
: >
: > I have an unusual set of requirements for an aircraft to buy. I want a
: > 4-seater, spin capability required, basic aerobatic capability desired,
: > low-wing preferred but not mandatory, with stick controls, not yokes.
: > Can anyone provide make & models of any used planes in the under
: > $100,000 price range that meet these requirements? I'm open to
: > production, warbird, or experimental aircraft. Thanx, Checksixer
I'm not sure I'd recommend it as "practical" and I have no idea if it is
approved for spins or any aerobatics, but the Fairchild Model 24 is a big,
high wing 4 place with sticks. (It had either an inline or radial engine,
usually in the 160hp range.)
There are usually a few of them for sale in TAP.
Good luck with the search, rick
Q Salt
> The larger three- and four-seat Jodel/Robin aircraft might meet your
> requirements. The are wood-and-fabric with a long history as both
> homebuilts and production types. I'm sure that they are spin-approved as
> the French and other European flight training requirements are more
> rigorous than the FAA ones. At lighter weights they MAY be suitable for
> basic aerobatics.
>
They aren`t spin approved as far as I know, and they`re definitely not
aerobatic. Not the Jodels anyway. The Robin, I believem is a different
matter. In any case, the factory built Robins aren`t FAA certified and this
would restrict their utility in the US.
The Jodel is a superb airplane. The 1050 will lift four and a good bit of
fuel from a short grass strip and cruise at 100 knots on a Contnental O
200.
There`s an excellent Jodel page here:
http://www.decollage.org/teijgeler/index.htm
and a Robin site here:
http://www.pro-tos.de/langenfeld/suche/88.htm
You might also think about a Rallye. They`re common and cheap in Europe,
but have corrosion problems. I think some models are US certified. Then of
course, there`s the Zlins. Now that is an airplane..
Andy or Bob
Hi, I'm jumping into the middle of this thread, so forgive me if I'm
being redundant here. From the list of ingredients you desire, you
might check out the Messerschmitt 108 or French equivalent, though I
don't know what they are currently selling for.
JimM3D
Try the Rallye line of aircraft.
Although its aerobatic capabilties are not full range it does offer low wing,
stick controls,FAA certification, easy to get engine parts and various engine
options, tri-cycle or conventional gear and STOL capabilties.
JaKo
> Thomas Straub wrote:
> I have an unusual set of requirements for an aircraft to buy. I want
> a 4-seater, spin capability required, basic aerobatic capability
> desired, low-wing preferred but not mandatory, with stick controls,
> not yokes. Can anyone provide make & models of any used planes in the
> under $100,000 price range that meet these requirements? I'm open to
> production, warbird, or experimental aircraft. Thanx, Checksixer
There is another A/C worth consideration. Zlin Z-143L. It is a 3000 #,
140+ kt, 1500 ft/min with a Lycoming 235 HP O-540 mogas engine. It
flies sport aerobatics +4 g / -2 g in utility category. A new one is
about $150k and used ones should surely fit under your $100k limit.
North American rep.: Zlin Aerospace Inc., Barrie, ON, (705) 722.3522.
JaKo, Czechsixer.