Cost of Flying a Jet
Hermann Pais
warbirds for sale:
- Fouga Magister
- L-29 Delphin
- Albatross
What is the cost of owning and flying such a bird? Is it easy to find
replacement turbines? In one site I saw that a refurbished Marbore engine,
as used on the Fouga, costs around US$ 12,000. Is that real?
How long do these engines last?
Any information is appreciated. Thanks.
Hermann Pais
972
local airport is $A1500. That suggests it's an expensive business.
972.
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as "Mr. Mig" or Jimmy Rossi. He has had two Migs, and currently own a Mig17. He
also owns an F-86 Sabre Jet. He is such a cool guy...He gave me a tour of the
jets and he said basically that is costs him about $1000, $1500 per hour in the
jets just in fuel and a few misc. parts. Then counting his labor, it is roughly
$2500/hr. to fly either of his jets. He is out at the airport almost everyday
working on the jets. He spends and incredible amount of time keeping them up.
The idea of a full time mechanic for one doesn't seem unrealistic. Just my $.02
from what I've bummed off of Jimmy Rossi.
Jordan
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Dave Gregory
Hermann Pais <hpa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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a
was that the Jet Provost at Clow field near Chicago ?
I heard rides were more like $300 if the pilot knew you.
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HornetBall
Dylan Smith
: I've seen on www.aso.com and other aircraft web sales sites several jet
: warbirds for sale:
: - Fouga Magister
: - L-29 Delphin
: - Albatross
There was an article in the UK magazine, "Pilot" on the L-29 Delphin.
They projected the cost to be what would come out as at around US $400/hr
(jet fuel is about the same price in the UK as in the US).
The engines are relatively inexpensive, but they have a fairly short TBO
(around 800 hours, IIRC).
--
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Ogden Johnson III
<hpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I've seen on www.aso.com and other aircraft web sales sites several jet
>warbirds for sale:
>- Fouga Magister
>- L-29 Delphin
>- Albatross
>
>What is the cost of owning and flying such a bird? Is it easy to find
As has been often said about yachts, "If you have to ask, you can't
afford it."
OJ III
a
If it floats, flies, or f**cks, it is cheaper to rent it.
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MegaShaft 4000
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Richard B
Hmmm? Lessee, $300 per month payment, $15 for tiedown, no direct fuel
cost, annual $180, Insurance $840/yr, hangar for 6 months, $25/month.
$37.50 for a tow to 3000. Average 50 hrs per year, 1 hr per flight.
$134.70 per hour. And that's a glider.
Richard B.
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cms...@yahoo.com
>In article <PWj%4.237526$Tn4.2...@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com>,
> "MegaShaft 4000" @home.com> wrote:
>> no way, it costs $50 an hour to rent a waverunner!
>
>Hmmm? Lessee, $300 per month payment, $15 for tiedown, no direct fuel
>cost, annual $180, Insurance $840/yr, hangar for 6 months, $25/month.
>$37.50 for a tow to 3000. Average 50 hrs per year, 1 hr per flight.
>$134.70 per hour. And that's a glider.
>
>Richard B.
>
one compound word....Ultralights.
cms
Dylan Smith
: In article <PWj%4.237526$Tn4.2...@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com>,
: "MegaShaft 4000" @home.com> wrote:
: > no way, it costs $50 an hour to rent a waverunner!
:
: Hmmm? Lessee, $300 per month payment, $15 for tiedown, no direct fuel
: cost, annual $180, Insurance $840/yr, hangar for 6 months, $25/month.
: $37.50 for a tow to 3000. Average 50 hrs per year, 1 hr per flight.
: $134.70 per hour. And that's a glider.
That's an expensive glider you have there! *Including* our fixed costs,
engine reserve, maintenance reserve etc., our Cessna 140 costs
about $35/hr...
George R. Patterson III
>
> That's an expensive glider you have there! *Including* our fixed costs,
> engine reserve, maintenance reserve etc., our Cessna 140 costs
> about $35/hr...
He's included his payments with no deduction for equity. That's $72/hr.
George Patterson, N3162Q.
Richard B
$50 quoted to rent a waverunner. The fixed costs are quite low, but
there's no way to get around the tow charges, and while a tow may be
good for as much as 6 hours, it may also be good for as little as 15
minutes. And while my payment could be much lower, I would rather make
payments for three years instead of five. Really about the same cost
as owning a ski boat or motorhome, just a lot more fun.
Richard B.
MegaShaft 4000
"Richard B" <ra...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> In article <PWj%4.237526$Tn4.2...@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com>,
> "MegaShaft 4000" @home.com> wrote:
> > no way, it costs $50 an hour to rent a waverunner!
>
> Hmmm? Lessee, $300 per month payment, $15 for tiedown, no direct fuel
> cost, annual $180, Insurance $840/yr, hangar for 6 months, $25/month.
> $37.50 for a tow to 3000. Average 50 hrs per year, 1 hr per flight.
> $134.70 per hour. And that's a glider.
>
BOb
>> > That's an expensive glider you have there! *Including* our fixed
>costs,
>> > engine reserve, maintenance reserve etc., our Cessna 140 costs
>> > about $35/hr...
>>
>> He's included his payments with no deduction for equity. That's
>$72/hr.
>>
>> George Patterson, N3162Q.
>>
>True, George. But even subtracting that, the cost is still above the
>$50 quoted to rent a waverunner. The fixed costs are quite low, but
>there's no way to get around the tow charges, and while a tow may be
>good for as much as 6 hours, it may also be good for as little as 15
>minutes. And while my payment could be much lower, I would rather make
>payments for three years instead of five. Really about the same cost
>as owning a ski boat or motorhome, just a lot more fun.
>
>Richard B.
My glider was more expensive to own/fly per hour than anything equivalent in a
power plane. As has been stated, the tow charge is a big factor.
Gliders in most locations do not fly or have the potential to fly nearly as many
hours per year as a typical GA powered aircraft. Yet fixed costs can be similar.
Including the purchase payments does skew things a fair amount, unless the same
methodology is used for the competition, too. Not fair to mix apples with pears.
BOb U.
Billy Beck
Ogden Johnson III <o...@x-press.net> wrote:
>As has been often said about yachts, "If you have to ask, you can't
>afford it."
"Nobody who has to ask what a yacht costs has any business owning
one."
(J. P. Morgan, cited in Lucius Beebe, "The Big Spenders",
Doubleday & Co., 1966)
Billy
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George R. Patterson III <grpp...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Dylan Smith wrote:
> >
> > That's an expensive glider you have there! *Including* our fixed costs,
> > engine reserve, maintenance reserve etc., our Cessna 140 costs
> > about $35/hr...
>
> He's included his payments with no deduction for equity. That's $72/hr.
GE Capital has much of this information already tabulated. Perhaps if you
know a common type that is of interest to you they will give you the
numbers.
John
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Richard B
r.r....@att.invalid. (BOb) wrote:
> >
> My glider was more expensive to own/fly per hour than anything
equivalent in a
> power plane. As has been stated, the tow charge is a big factor.
> Gliders in most locations do not fly or have the potential to fly
nearly as many
> hours per year as a typical GA powered aircraft. Yet fixed costs can
be similar.
>
> Including the purchase payments does skew things a fair amount,
unless the same
> methodology is used for the competition, too. Not fair to mix apples
with pears.
>
water skiers, not one of the jet ski things. Most of them that I've
looked at in recent years have run from 12 to 18 thousand, but they
have a much better chance of seeing a lot of use than a glider. I've
seen a lot of them a lot cheaper, but needing large amounts of work.
But, as you said, once the payments are done, the major cost is the tow
charges. The more or less "fixed cost", insurance, tiedown, hangar,
annual, comes to about $1400 per year. The operation I bought it from
was charging $30 per hour plus tow charge, so I guess, based on 50
hours per year, (dream on) I might get off a little cheaper.
Wallace Berry
I believe that it has been said that the expense of aviation has always
been the same:
"Everything you've got"
From ultralights to multiengine turbine helicopters, I suspect that the
above is correct.
Matt Jacobs
have to toss that into the equation as well.
Mary Shafer
> Ogden Johnson III <o...@x-press.net> wrote in message
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> > On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:22:55 -0300, "Hermann Pais"
> > <hpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >I've seen on www.aso.com and other aircraft web sales sites several jet
> > >warbirds for sale:
> > >What is the cost of owning and flying such a bird? Is it easy to find
> > As has been often said about yachts, "If you have to ask, you can't
> > afford it."
> If it floats, flies, or f**cks, it is cheaper to rent it.
And consideration of rental charges for some members of the classes
listed above will provide a pretty good idea of how much it costs to
buy and maintain them.
--
Mary Shafer http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/People/Shafer/mary.html
sha...@orville.dfrc.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA
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NASA Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA
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Mary Shafer
> Ogden Johnson III <o...@x-press.net> wrote:
>
> >As has been often said about yachts, "If you have to ask, you can't
> >afford it."
>
> "Nobody who has to ask what a yacht costs has any business owning
> one."
>
> (J. P. Morgan, cited in Lucius Beebe, "The Big Spenders",
> Doubleday & Co., 1966)
And someone else described a boat as a hole in the water into which
the owner throws all his money.
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wrote:
>Yeah, but does your glider do doughnuts in the water?? :-)
only if he really screws up his landing.......... <G>
cms
>"Richard B" <ra...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>> In article <PWj%4.237526$Tn4.2...@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com>,
>> "MegaShaft 4000" @home.com> wrote:
>> > no way, it costs $50 an hour to rent a waverunner!
>>
>> Hmmm? Lessee, $300 per month payment, $15 for tiedown, no direct fuel
>> cost, annual $180, Insurance $840/yr, hangar for 6 months, $25/month.
>> $37.50 for a tow to 3000. Average 50 hrs per year, 1 hr per flight.
>> $134.70 per hour. And that's a glider.
>>
Alan Baker
<sha...@orville.dfrc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>wj...@mindspring.com (Billy Beck) writes:
>
>> Ogden Johnson III <o...@x-press.net> wrote:
>>
>> >As has been often said about yachts, "If you have to ask, you can't
>> >afford it."
>>
>> "Nobody who has to ask what a yacht costs has any business owning
>> one."
>>
>> (J. P. Morgan, cited in Lucius Beebe, "The Big Spenders",
>> Doubleday & Co., 1966)
>
>And someone else described a boat as a hole in the water into which
>the owner throws all his money.
And someone else describe powerboat racing as like standing under a
high-pressure firehose and tearing up 100 dollar bills as fast as you
can.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that
wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the
bottom of that cupboard."
MegaShaft 4000
To rent a jetski, it costs around $50 an hour. But to buy a used one, it
isn't that expensive. You can get a good used one for under $2000
It's much cheaper to rent a car, but a car is a lot more expensive to buy.
"Mary Shafer" <sha...@orville.dfrc.nasa.gov> wrote in message
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> "a" <b> writes:
>
> > Ogden Johnson III <o...@x-press.net> wrote in message
> > news:5ouqjs099e80l8e01...@4ax.com...
>
> > > On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:22:55 -0300, "Hermann Pais"
> > > <hpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >I've seen on www.aso.com and other aircraft web sales sites several
jet
> > > >warbirds for sale:
>
> > > >What is the cost of owning and flying such a bird? Is it easy to find
>
> > > As has been often said about yachts, "If you have to ask, you can't
> > > afford it."
>
> > If it floats, flies, or f**cks, it is cheaper to rent it.
>
> And consideration of rental charges for some members of the classes
> listed above will provide a pretty good idea of how much it costs to
> buy and maintain them.
>
Mary Shafer
> "Mary Shafer" <sha...@orville.dfrc.nasa.gov> wrote in message
> news:u01z295...@orville.dfrc.nasa.gov...
> > "a" <b> writes:
> > > If it floats, flies, or f**cks, it is cheaper to rent it.
> > And consideration of rental charges for some members of the classes
> > listed above will provide a pretty good idea of how much it costs to
> > buy and maintain them.
> I don't know about that....
>
> To rent a jetski, it costs around $50 an hour. But to buy a used one, it
> isn't that expensive. You can get a good used one for under $2000
You missed the words "and operate". The government doesn't shell out
almost $0.40 a mile to me when I drive my car on official business
because that covers the cost of the gas. Rather it pays me at that
rate because it covers the operating costs, including maintainence,
insurance, cost of the money I bought it with, reduction in value
caused by the added miles, and so on.
The interesting thing is that the government reimbursement is not much
difference than the cost of a rental car. It's a little lower because
there's no rental car company to support and no shareholders wanting a
profit, but the numbers are calculated from data provided by rental
car companies, among others.
> It's much cheaper to rent a car, but a car is a lot more expensive to buy.
Here we have a better comparison, between leasing, owning, and
renting. Renting a car for three years is more expensive than leasing
that same car for the same three years and buying it (with a loan at
market rate) costs less than the other two options. The reason is
overhead, including profit. Rent a car and you're helping pay for the
days it sits on the lot, as well as for the lot and employees. Lease
a car and you're paying for the depreciation and a profit for the
owners. Buy the car and it's going to cost the same as a lease for
the first three years, but the following years, once the note is paid
off and the front-end depreciation is taken, are fairly cheap.
I won't go into the economics of the third possibility mentioned,
except to say that rental is inevitably more expensive than permanent
acquisition, in part because of the auxiliary benefits that are free.
Indrek Aavisto
snowmobile, his IQ drops by 50 points.
Cheers,
Indrek Aavisto
Sudbury, Ontario
MegaShaft 4000
enormous profit. The cost of operating one costs about $15 per hour, mostly
on gas and oil.
"Mary Shafer" <sha...@orville.dfrc.nasa.gov> wrote in message
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> "MegaShaft 4000"
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Red Rider
I am not so sure about the economics of the third possibility. Speaking from
36 years experience of payments on a permanent acquisition. When I was young
man, it was definitely cheaper than renting or leasing, considering the
amount of use and other benefits received. But now I am older, I still have
the same year, make, and model, I started out with. The maintenance
expenses, have greatly increased even though the use has been reduced. I
have also had to pay these expenses the entire time, even if I didn't make
maximum use of the equipment.
If I had leased, I could have periodically traded up to a later model with
the newest equipment, enhancements and all the options.
As I got older and my requirements changed, I could have then rented, as
required.
--
Red Rider
(J-V-B Triangle) We Shoot For Accuracy
tria...@gibralter.net IBS/NBRSA/NRA
HEY! I am talking about my pick up truck, what did you think I was talking
about.}:-)
Nils Rostedt
> - L-29 Delphin
> - Albatross
>
> as used on the Fouga, costs around US$ 12,000. Is that real?
>
Visit http://www.l39.com/QA.htm it has lots of good info on the L-39
Albatros.
Here are some sample figures from that webpage:
$ 300,000.00 Purchase
$ 5,000.00 LOA & Training
$ 12,000.00 Annual Insurance (Liability)
$ 6,000.00 Annual Hanger
$ 13,000.00 Annual Inspection (with ejection seats)
$ 1,000.00 Minor maintenance (fluids, oil, tires)
$ 5,000.00 Parts Annual Average(i.e. engine, valves, etc)
$ 350.00 Per hour fuel burn (high average)
Add the cost of obtaining the 1000 flight hours experience required to
qualify for a LOA to fly a jet warbird (in the US). Of course, a commercial
pilot can get paid for some of those hours.
-Nils
Henry A. Spellman
>
> And someone else described a boat as a hole in the water into which
> the owner throws all his money.
>
And only the burning of gun powder is more efficient than aviation at turning
money into noise.
Hank
Henry A. Spellman
Comanche N5903P
PaulReinman
Is that 1000 total or 1000 turbine?
(this will make the difference on whether Dylan, Jenny and I join forces to buy
that Mig-15, we have 1000 hrs. total if you add our time....including over 150
in the Cessna 140...that should count for something...)
Paul Reinman
Mary Shafer
> I am not so sure about the economics of the third possibility.
> Speaking from 36 years experience of payments on a permanent
> acquisition. When I was young man, it was definitely cheaper than
> renting or leasing, considering the amount of use and other benefits
> received. But now I am older, I still have the same year, make, and
> model, I started out with. The maintenance expenses, have greatly
> increased even though the use has been reduced. I have also had to
> pay these expenses the entire time, even if I didn't make maximum
> use of the equipment.
Ah, but often the "acquisition" is an income-producing unit itself.
Remember, too, that _your_ maintainence expenses have greatly
increased and you don't have the newest equipment, enhancements and
all the options. In fact, if you haven't kept up with scheduled
maintainence, you may not even have the same benefits you had 36 years
ago. Sure, your value may have increased, but is the increase enough
to offset depreciation and "wear and tear"? You may not even be
providing the contractual services at the same frequency or
performance level as you did 36 years ago.
> If I had leased, I could have periodically traded up to a later model with
> the newest equipment, enhancements and all the options.
Not an uncommon procedure, but like all contracts, cancellation
charges can be pretty high if you try to terminate the contract
before the contractual date.
> As I got older and my requirements changed, I could have then rented, as
> required.
The real expense here comes when you've got a long-term contract and,
in violation of its clauses, you get into short-term rentals. The
price of violating those clauses can be quite high, at a time in your
life when you don't have decaded to recoup the losses.
> HEY! I am talking about my pick up truck, what did you think I was talking
> about.}:-)
The same thing I'm talking about, of course, the one with the asterisks.
Peter Verney
>And someone else described a boat as a hole in the water into >which
>the owner throws all his money.
I guess you could paraphrase that for all three classes under discussion
Peter Verney
Bryan Taylor
"Dylan Smith" <dy...@alioth.net> wrote in message
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> Richard B (ra...@my-deja.com) wrote:
> : In article <PWj%4.237526$Tn4.2...@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com>,
> : "MegaShaft 4000" @home.com> wrote:
> : > no way, it costs $50 an hour to rent a waverunner!
> :
> : Hmmm? Lessee, $300 per month payment, $15 for tiedown, no direct fuel
> : cost, annual $180, Insurance $840/yr, hangar for 6 months, $25/month.
> : $37.50 for a tow to 3000. Average 50 hrs per year, 1 hr per flight.
> : $134.70 per hour. And that's a glider.
>
> engine reserve, maintenance reserve etc., our Cessna 140 costs
> about $35/hr...
>
> Dylan Smith, Houston TX.
> Flying: http://www.icct.net/~dyls/flying.html
> Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
> "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"
>
He beats your $35 with just the tow fee. Maybe he just needs to slap an
engine on the front and be done with it ...
Bryan Taylor
Don W.
there are a lot of USAF & Navy fighter pilots that will have to be pulled off
of the active duty roster :) I'll bet most of those guys don't have 200 hours
when they transition from training into active status. Also, a couple of
fighter jock friends of mine were only averaging 160-200 hours per year actual
flight time in the late 1980's due to budget and fuel restrictions. That may
have all changed since the Gulf war, and the Bosnia and Kosovo actions.
Anybody out there on active duty that can comment on the current flight hours
coming out of training?
Later,
Don W.
Peter Gottlieb
(and another pilot) every time you want to go up...
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Richard B
RIchard B.
Richard B
"Peter Gottlieb" <pe...@NewYorkNERD.com> wrote:
> I don't see how a glider can be cheap - you *do* need to be renting 2
planes
> (and another pilot) every time you want to go up...
>
assa9
physical.
assa9
"Peter Gottlieb" <pe...@NewYorkNERD.com> wrote in message
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> I don't see how a glider can be cheap - you *do* need to be renting 2
planes
> (and another pilot) every time you want to go up...
>
>
> Bryan Taylor <bryan@remove-this_part.copperdata.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Dylan Smith" <dy...@alioth.net> wrote in message
> > news:8hlm70$1f44$5...@ausnews.austin.ibm.com...
> > > Richard B (ra...@my-deja.com) wrote:
> > > : In article <PWj%4.237526$Tn4.2...@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com>,
> > > : "MegaShaft 4000" @home.com> wrote:
> > > : > no way, it costs $50 an hour to rent a waverunner!
> > > :
> > > : Hmmm? Lessee, $300 per month payment, $15 for tiedown, no direct
fuel
> > > : cost, annual $180, Insurance $840/yr, hangar for 6 months,
$25/month.
> > > : $37.50 for a tow to 3000. Average 50 hrs per year, 1 hr per flight.
> > > : $134.70 per hour. And that's a glider.
> > >
> > > That's an expensive glider you have there! *Including* our fixed
costs,
> > > engine reserve, maintenance reserve etc., our Cessna 140 costs
> > > about $35/hr...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dylan Smith, Houston TX.
> > > Flying: http://www.icct.net/~dyls/flying.html
> > > Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
> > > "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"
> > >
> >
> > He beats your $35 with just the tow fee. Maybe he just needs to slap an
> > engine on the front and be done with it ...
> >
> > Bryan Taylor
> >
> >
>
>
Rori Stumpf
jet? :-)
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Nils Rostedt
plane first, unlike us civilians ;-)
FYI regarding the 1000 hrs, the requirement is for total PIC time. Referring
to the earlier question, I guess that in case none of it is in complex
retractable gear aircraft or IFR, the actual type training for the jet LOA
will take more than the around 10 hours that is suggested for the L-39
Albatros.
The FAA apparently have a number of other restrictions regarding operation
of civilian registered jet warbirds. I presume the intention is to ensure
that civilian jet warbirds are flown only by really dedicated pilots, to
keep it safe. More authoritative information on this can be found on e.g.
www.l39.com.
BTW, I'm wondering what features of the Cessna 140 make it suitable as a
stepping stone to jets.... could it be noise level ? ;-)
- Nils
( with only 900 hours to go )
Don W." wrote ...
mike regish
system. Don't know how high it will get you or what it costs, but I plan to find
out one of these days.
mike
Peter Gottlieb wrote:
> I don't see how a glider can be cheap - you *do* need to be renting 2 planes
> (and another pilot) every time you want to go up...
>
mike regish
1953 TriPacer
N3428A
Peter Gottlieb
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mike
Peter Gottlieb wrote:
> That sounds like a carrier launch!
>
mike regish
1953 TriPacer
N3428A
Richard B
"assa9" <dpi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Around here, sailplanes are for old, sick, rich guys that can't pass a
> physical.
>
sinus goes nuts. Rich? $24k per year? Don't think so. Had an
irregular heartbeat for more than 20 years now, but I think I'm still
alive. Called "fun", dude, more fun than a man should be allowed to
have in public.
Richard B.
Richard B
mike regish <mre...@mediaone.net> wrote:
> Don't think it's quite that intense, but otherwise that's about right.
>
> mike
>
> Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>
> > That sounds like a carrier launch!
> >
the rate of climb is tremendous. Don't know about winch launching, but
the auto tow will get them as high as 2k with no problem on a good
day. Don't remember exactly, but I think it costs them something like
$8 for a tow. Unfortunately, registered aircraft are not allowed on
that field, ultralights and hang gliders only.
Peter Gottlieb
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