avionics guru question, funky allen-type wrench?
Sydney Hoeltzli
The knobs on the King OBS don't seem to take a standard
hex wrench. Now that my memory has been jogged, I seem
to recall seeing a funky star-shaped wrench being used
on them.
What is this called, and where is it available?
Thanks,
Sydney
Roy Smith
Sydney Hoeltzli <last...@swbell.net> wrote:
> The knobs on the King OBS don't seem to take a standard
> hex wrench. Now that my memory has been jogged, I seem
> to recall seeing a funky star-shaped wrench being used
> on them.
Sounds like a Torx. Try http://www.wihatools.com/278serie.htm for
more info. Theres a link on that page for distributors. Not the kind
of thing you'd usually find holding a knob on, but it fits your
description.
Gil Brice
sold. For a really small application torx 2 or 3 probably, you might have
to look at a Radio Shack, or similar. I have a torx 6 right here and it is
small, but not nearly small enough for holding a knob.
"Sydney Hoeltzli" <last...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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MikeM
and they will have it. It is not a TORX.
MIkeM
blanche cohen
Bill Higdon
Knobs use Bristol Spline set screws.
Bill Higdon
Ben Jackson
Ace Hardware has a set of bits in a convenient red box that cover almost
every obscure "security" bit out there. Only about $20 and you will never
be unable to disassemble something again. The only shortcoming is that it
only goes down to #1 or #0 sizes.
--
Ben Jackson
<b...@ben.com>
http://www.ben.com/
Jim Weir
hackensaki-off-the-boat has rounded off with a poor tool, you will never call a
spline wrench funky again.
That spline will come out if it is frozen, rusted, or otherwise abused, as
opposed to the allen head, which will simply round either the head or the tool.
Jim
->In article <3EE48A27...@swbell.net>,
->Sydney Hoeltzli <last...@swbell.net> wrote:
->>
->>What is this called, and where is it available?
Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com j...@rst-engr.com
Doug
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Sydney Hoeltzli
> If you've ever had to drill out an allen-head screw that some hamhand with a
> hackensaki-off-the-boat has rounded off with a poor tool, you will never call a
> spline wrench funky again.
I'll be happy not to call a spline wrench "funky" again, just
tell me where to get one.
Mouser doesn't seem to have 'em. Radio Shack locally, no.
Sears locally nor catalog, no.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Sydney
Bill Higdon
This guy has a whole set of them for sale.
jonw...@aol.com
COMPLETE 10 PIECE SET OF RARE AND HARD TO FIND BRISTOL SPLINE WRENCHS -
PERFECT
FOR THOSE HARD TO REMOVE COLLINS AND HALLICRAFTERS KNOBS - COMPLETE WITH
VINYL
CARRYING POUCH
Kit contains 6 flute wrenches in major diameters .060, .072, .096, .111,
.133,
.145, .168, & .183, and 4 flute wrenches in .069, & .076. Includes all sizes
necessary for radio repair, including the special size used on the
Collins 4:1
vernier knobs. Don't risk those valuable knobs, use the correct tool for
knob
removal. Price is $18. per set. Buyer to add $2. shipping (USA), $3.
foreign.
Bill Higdon
Sydney Hoeltzli wrote:
e.drucke...@verizon.net
On 9-Jun-2003, Sydney Hoeltzli <last...@swbell.net> wrote:
> I'll be happy not to call a spline wrench "funky" again, just
> tell me where to get one.
>
> Mouser doesn't seem to have 'em. Radio Shack locally, no.
> Sears locally nor catalog, no.
>
> Thoughts?
I know that one common "brand" of Bristol spline drivers is Excelite. The
ones I am familiar with come in a kit that includes a handle and a number of
interchangeable blades ofdifferent sizes. These are available from
distributors that carry tools for the electronics industry. I am sure that
a number are on-line. See, for example,
http://www.hmcelectronics.com/cgi-bin/scripts/pd/1986-0148/1986-0142/1986-0142.
If you know the exact size you need, you may be able to buy a single driver
rather than the kit, which costs upwards of $40. Maybe Jim Weir can help
here with info on the required size.
-Elliott Drucker
Sydney Hoeltzli
> Price is $18. per set. Buyer to add $2. shipping (USA), $3.
> foreign.
Thanks, Bill. The winner is Todd Pattist -- McMaster Carr
has a set that should be good enough for occasional use,
$10 plus shipping. Other options at other prices.
Snap on has 'em too, for some ungodly sum.
Unfortunately, the McMaster Carr order is going to cost
us more in the long run, now that DH has found THAT toy
shop!!
Thanks to everyone,
Sydney
Dennis O'Connor
wholesaler... Northern Tools, Aircraft Spruce, and ten thousand drop ship
tool dealers on the web can get them for you next day air...
Denny
"Bryan Martin" <bryanmmar...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> in article 3EE545BF...@swbell.net, Sydney Hoeltzli at
> last...@swbell.net wrote on 6/9/03 10:42 PM:
> They are listed at McMaster Carr ( http://www.mcmaster.com ) Snap-On also
> lists them
> under Wrenches, Multi-spline keys.
> http://buy.snapon.com/catalog/main_xml.asp
>
Sydney Hoeltzli
> They are listed at McMaster Carr ( http://www.mcmaster.com ) Snap-On also
> lists them
> under Wrenches, Multi-spline keys.
> http://buy.snapon.com/catalog/main_xml.asp
Thanks, ordered one of the McMaster Carr sets.
Oh, boy, is that place ever going to cost us the Big Bucks
when DH gets ahold of the catalog. Any idea of the quality
of their tools generally?
Cheers,
Sydney
David Lesher
David Lesher
>If you've ever had to drill out an allen-head screw that some hamhand with a
>hackensaki-off-the-boat has rounded off with a poor tool, you will never call a
>spline wrench funky again.
>That spline will come out if it is frozen, rusted, or otherwise abused, as
>opposed to the allen head, which will simply round either the head or the tool.
And IMHO, Torx is even better than spline. The penultimate screw -- the
headlight retainer ring on a 10 y.o. car in the Salt Belt, comes out
or the head or wrench snaps. It can not strip.
This is likely the ONLY thing to thank GM for in the last 30 years.
Peter Dohm
http://www.jensentools.com/ Pick "Hand Tools" on the left and then "Hex Keys
and Wrenches" listed under "Narrow your choices..." which includes set number
79-055 which definitely includes the size on the King knobs, and is so cheap
that you will need to buy something more for a minimum order. The rest of the
Metric and American sized Allen (a/k/a Hex) keys on the same page are a good
choice. The combination Allen and Metric set and the more expensive Xcelite
series 99 sets do not inclued the smallest sizes, which you probably need; but
do include larger sizes...
I hope this solves your dilema.
Peter
--
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Del Rawlins
Really? I've had terrible results removing the torx fasteners on my
brother's jeep as well as my own. We've had to drill out several of
them due to stripped/broken heads. SOP is to replace them with normal
hex (or allen) headed bolts (preferably stainless) whenever they are
removed, whether they need it or not.
My very favorite screw head type is square drive. I don't understand
why everything doesn't use it.
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Jon Woellhaf
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Ron Natalie
"Jon Woellhaf" <jonwo...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:UPIFa.105609$d51.175873@sccrnsc01...
> If Torx is the next to worst screw, what's the worst?
>
G.R. Patterson III
Jon Woellhaf wrote:
>
> If Torx is the next to worst screw, what's the worst?
That depends on what you're trying to do. If you're trying to remove a screw,
phillips is the worst. They are designed to allow relatively inexperienced
workers to assemble things rapidly. You can use power drivers to install
them, and the driver will cam out of the head if the installer tries to
overtighten the screw or bolt. Unfortunately, the driver will also cam out
of the head if you try to put a lot of torque on it when removing the screw.
If you're running an assembly line, the slotted head is the worst.
George Patterson
If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember what you said.
Samuel Clemens
Peter Gottlieb
That was 5 years ago, don't know if anything has changed or not since then.
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Peter Gottlieb
http://www.w2ec.com/bristol.html
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Sydney Hoeltzli
> The tools I got from them were first class, industrial quality.
Well, we got said wrenches tonight. Ordered them Monday night.
Shipped Ground.
Can't complain about the service, and the wrenches look fine.
Thanks to all for help!
Sydney
Tim Ward
My prediction:
You will never complain about McMaster-Carr service. You may mention it
from time to time in amazement.
We use them quite a bit at work. I have several times ordered things from
them at 6 or 7 pm (from the web site), and had the stuff in my hands at 10am
the next morning.
Tim Ward
David Lesher
>If Torx is the next to worst screw, what's the worst?
No, I think TorX is best.. the worst is Phillips. You SHALL
round off the head no matter what...
I can't explain the other poster with TorX grief. If really
rusty, you may need the clean the head out to get the
tool in far enough, but I have never rounded off a head.
Snapped off the screw, oh yea.
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Wayne
>
> >If Torx is the next to worst screw, what's the worst?
>
> No, I think TorX is best.. the worst is Phillips. You SHALL
> round off the head no matter what...
I think allen heads are the worst, they round out all the time. Straight
has to be the second worse, I have many little scars from those. Phillips
work pretty well as long as you always use good drivers on them. Bad allen
wrenches do cause their share too though. For security (theft) and long
life, torx (including the ones with the security point in the middle) and
splines are great, just as long as you can get to them straight and always
have the correct size driver handy. Just my 2 cents.
Use good tools! A screwdriver is not a chisel and not a punch! Torx and
splines don't work well as chisels and punches so they get an advantage
there because they aren't usually abused.
Wayne
Christopher Blizzard
In the past when I did a lot of work on Motorcycles my best friend in
the whole world was an impact screwdriver. If you find a good solid
two-pound one with a decent phillips head for it there are very few
screws that can resist it. I've seen some pretty cheap light ones out
there that aren't worth the money. Find one that has some heft to it.
It took a while to learn how to use it properly, though. I had to learn
to relax and tap the top of the impact with a hammer with a good bit of
force, but not enough to snap the top off of the screws. And you didn't
want to twist the impact driver while hitting it. Just let it do the work.
--Chris
Ron Natalie
"Christopher Blizzard" <bliz...@0xdeadbeef.com> wrote in message news:3EE8B00E...@0xdeadbeef.com...
> It took a while to learn how to use it properly, though. I had to learn
> to relax and tap the top of the impact with a hammer with a good bit of
> force, but not enough to snap the top off of the screws. And you didn't
> want to twist the impact driver while hitting it. Just let it do the work.
Margy spends so much time pulling old abused screws out of the Navion during
annual that I bought her her own set of screw extractors.
Russell Kent
> Margy spends so much time pulling old abused screws out of the Navion during
> annual that I bought her her own set of screw extractors.
That's our Ron: always the romantic. :-)
Russell Kent
Ron Natalie
"Russell Kent" <r-k...@ti.com> wrote in message news:3EE8D894...@ti.com...
Of course, she now has her own toolbox, but since I didn't buy her any wrenches
all my standard ones seem to have disappeared from mine (still got the metric ones,
no metric on the Navion).
Tom Wait
full of Bristol screws. Try a t/w repair shop with an old timer in the
service dept. He's probably got the Bristol wrenches in his tool kit. I
still have mine.
Tom
"Bill Higdon" <w.hi...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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Sydney Hoeltzli
> Margy spends so much time pulling old abused screws out of the Navion during
> annual that I bought her her own set of screw extractors.
Why not buy a set of stainless replacement screws and let the
old abused screws go to their long-deserved rest?
BTW what's the smallest screw extractor you've got? Or should
I say "Margy's got"?
Cheers,
Sydney
Sydney Hoeltzli
Absolutely. I got a titanium pry-bar for Valentine's day one year,
and a Snap-on ratcheting screwdriver for my birthday.
Of course, they came WITH flowers :)
> Of course, she now has her own toolbox, but since I didn't buy her any wrenches
> all my standard ones seem to have disappeared from mine (still got the metric ones,
> no metric on the Navion).
She's a lucky woman. I had my own toolbox, but all the tools in it
kept disappearing because DH never puts his own tools away and mine
were easier to find.
Cheers,
Sydney
baltobernie
Hey, what about the side-terminal battery, the 200-4R transmission, the
"computer-controlled" stepper motor carburetor, thousands of 307" camshafts,
etc. etc. GM moved to the bottom of my list in 1985, and hasn't gone up one
notch since.
baltobernie
Ron Natalie
"Sydney Hoeltzli" <last...@swbell.net> wrote in message news:3EE9D818...@swbell.net...
> Why not buy a set of stainless replacement screws and let the
> old abused screws go to their long-deserved rest?
A lot of them can't be replaced with stainless. There's about 40 screws
on each side on a structural plate around the landing gear. The sheet metal
screws around the fairings I'm pretty sure Margy already replaced with stainless.
> BTW what's the smallest screw extractor you've got? Or should
> I say "Margy's got"?
You'd have to ask her. They won't trust me to touch anything that that
has to be torque limited.
Bill Higdon
Some of the old first Generation Dot matrix printers also used
them.That's where my set came from, we threw the printers in the
Dumpster, but I kept the tool set, and the spares case.
Bill Higdon
Bill Higdon
It was designed for the Vega, so they could ship the cars standing up.
That way they could fit more of the POS's on a rail car.
Bill Higdon
Javier Henderson wrote:> WHO came up with THAT?
>
> I hate it.
>
> -jav
Wayne
still on the top. Must be missing someting.
Wayne
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Peter Dohm
Try 'em as brand new screws and brand new bits.
The difference is amazing!
(Of course, that's true of torx and slotted as well)
Peter
Peter Dohm
Exactly right! And, that part about getting to them straight is what
taught me to stop loaning out my bloody tools!
Peter
David Lesher
>"baltobernie" <bern...@pennstar.com> writes:
>> Hey, what about the side-terminal battery
>WHO came up with THAT?
>I hate it.
A) I somehow suspect bernie is being cynical.
B) The sidemount battery came with that other ...great GM invention,
the Vega. The batteries were leakproof ie. maintenance-impossible.
(Like the rest of the car..) This so they could ship the cars
vertically.
And that not only saved space, but allowed closed, locked RR car
carriers, greatly reducing the number of cars that arrived at the
railhead minus radios and other goodies.
C) That aside; yes Bernie, GM invented more bad ideas than a K Street
lobbyist. But there were a few good ones in there, despite Roger Smith.
My view:
1) The swashplate AC compressor. It never failed. Of course, they
stopped using them.
2) The TurboHydromatic 400. (NOT the 200!!)
Both the above came from GM's skill in precision, high volume, machining.
Rolls, back when they were not a cast-aside hasbeen, bought both.
3) Torx.
As for GM turkeys.... hell, there's not enough Usenet bandwidth to
cover all of them.....
Wayne
> the Vega. The batteries were leakproof ie. maintenance-impossible.
> (Like the rest of the car..) This so they could ship the cars
> vertically.
Okay, they could have sealed a top post just as well though right?
Didn't the other companies follow? Don't they still use side terminal
batteries?
The colored eye and maintenence free (translation, when in doubt, trash it)
batteries were a wild idea though, you're right.
>
> And that not only saved space, but allowed closed, locked RR car
> carriers, greatly reducing the number of cars that arrived at the
> railhead minus radios and other goodies.
Sounds like a good idea.
> C) That aside; yes Bernie, GM invented more bad ideas than a K Street
> lobbyist. But there were a few good ones in there, despite Roger Smith.
I think all the car companies specialize in bad ideas. I was least fond
of the mid 80's Ford products. They decided to computerize, and they needed
a way to change the timing. Lets see, lets use a computer to operate a
solenoid that allows vaccuum to get to the old vaccuum advance distributor
when it desires. I think GM's electronic spark control was a better idea
there. Not even the dealer's mechanics could get all the hoses back in the
right place after an engine job. That's when quality was job 157 I guess.
Reminds me of the college programs where they try to do the easiest thing
the most difficult way. Now we know where they go to work after they
graduate/drop out.
Thanks for the input, I didn't realize it was the Vega that brought in the
side battery. I have to admit though, for my car, I do prefer them. That is
until I leave the lights on and have to jump start.
Wayne
Sydney Hoeltzli
> The knobs on the King OBS don't seem to take a standard
> hex wrench. Now that my memory has been jogged, I seem
> to recall seeing a funky star-shaped wrench being used
> on them.
Just like to thank everyone for their suggestions.
I'm still in awe at McMaster-Carr. Inexpensive,
functional, and fast.
Today when I did a VOT check, both our OBS lined
up perfectly.
Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhh.
Sydney
RobertR237
<last...@swbell.net> writes:
>
>> The knobs on the King OBS don't seem to take a standard
>> hex wrench. Now that my memory has been jogged, I seem
>> to recall seeing a funky star-shaped wrench being used
>> on them.
>
>Just like to thank everyone for their suggestions.
>I'm still in awe at McMaster-Carr. Inexpensive,
>functional, and fast.
>
>
They are good. I have ordered a lot of stuff from them over the last few years
and never had any problems with them. I have placed orders one afternoon and
had the goods delivered before noon the next day. They actually sent me a
PRINTED copy of their catalogue and I have spent hours browsing through it. A
great company to do business with.
Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....
"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)
David Lesher
>> Phillips.
>Try 'em as brand new screws and brand new bits.
>The difference is amazing!
The problem is... they all go in easily; it's getting
the old rusty ones broken loose that's a PITA.
Tom Wait
"Wayne" <wa...@southpenn.net> wrote I have to admit though, for my car, I
do prefer them. That is
> until I leave the lights on and have to jump start.
The hot set up is the dual terminal battery for jump starts. Something we do
often enough up here in the frozen tundra. Side terminals for the car, top
terminals for the jumper cables or charger. I was told the side term
batteries were made for a lower profile to the hood to prevent shorts.
Sounded plausible at the time.
Tom
JP Krievins
Pardon my ignorance, but I was somewhat sleepily following this thread
when you woke me up with what happened after you got your funky new
wrench on your OBS knob. Maybe there is something I could be doing
(hypothetically, of course) to my nav radios to make this happen too?
I don't have King radios, I have a Narco NAV 121 and 122 that are
within radio check tolerances, but not quite bad enough to fly over to
the avionics shop.
JP Krievins
Sydney Hoeltzli <last...@swbell.net> wrote in message news:<3EEBFE0C...@swbell.net>...
Peter Dohm
Peter
Peter Dohm
I heard the same, and still suppose it was a factor; but shipping small cars
vertically is much more entertaining. ;-)
Peter
Richard E. Tasker
I have never been disappointed with the quality of the tools they stock.
Dick Tasker
Tim Ward wrote:
> "Sydney Hoeltzli" <last...@swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:3EE7E72B...@swbell.net...
>
>>Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>>
>>>The tools I got from them were first class, industrial quality.
>>
>>Well, we got said wrenches tonight. Ordered them Monday night.
>>Shipped Ground.
>>
>>Can't complain about the service, and the wrenches look fine.
>>
>>Thanks to all for help!
>>Sydney
>
>
> My prediction:
> You will never complain about McMaster-Carr service. You may mention it
> from time to time in amazement.
> We use them quite a bit at work. I have several times ordered things from
> them at 6 or 7 pm (from the web site), and had the stuff in my hands at 10am
> the next morning.
>
> Tim Ward
>
>
Wayne
Wayne
Sydney Hoeltzli
> Okaaaay, and buying a funky wrench made this happen?
I have no familiarity w/ Narco radios.
However, our avionics guy adjusts the tolerance on
our King OBS by removing the knob with what turns
out to be a Spline wrench (.050 inch or the next
larger size), then inserting a long narrow screwdriver
and turning until the needle centers when receiving
the test signal, then reattaching the knob.
Perhaps someone who has Narco radios can comment
on whether a similar procedure applies.
In theory, there appears to be nothing in this
procedure that the airplane owner of average ability
couldn't readily duplicate. It is much simpler than,
for example, replacing the landing light wiring, replacing
all the fuel hoses in the engine compartment, or changing
the landing gear tires. However, the latter are all on
the list of owner-allowed preventive maintenance in Pt.
43 Appendix A. The former is not.
HTH,
Sydney
G.R. Patterson III
Peter Dohm wrote:
>
> Exactly right! And, that part about getting to them straight is what
> taught me to stop loaning out my bloody tools!
I read some advice decades ago on this and agree with it. Rather than appear
to be stingy, keep two sets of tools. One you buy at K-mart (or whatever is
similar in your part of the world). These could also be the old cheap stuff
you picked up back when you couldn't afford good tools. This set is your
loaner set.
Never loan out your good tools.
Of course, if you're still in that cash-hungry period that means the K-mart
stuff *is* your good tools, you'll have to just let people think you're
stingy.
George Patterson
The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The
pessimist is afraid that he's correct.
James Branch Cavel
Dennis O'Connor
Denny
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Ron Natalie
"Peter Dohm" <pd...@ns.att.net> wrote in message news:3EEBAD3...@ns.att.net...
> Ron Natalie wrote:
> >
> > "Jon Woellhaf" <jonwo...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:UPIFa.105609$d51.175873@sccrnsc01...
> > > If Torx is the next to worst screw, what's the worst?
> > >
> > Phillips.
>
> Try 'em as brand new screws and brand new bits.
> The difference is amazing!
That's the whole point. Phillips are great to put in (new) but sucky to take out.
Ron Natalie
"David Lesher" <wb8...@panix.com> wrote in message news:bcgl2n$7gm$1...@reader1.panix.com...
\
> B) The sidemount battery came with that other ...great GM invention,
> the Vega. The batteries were leakproof ie. maintenance-impossible.
> (Like the rest of the car..) This so they could ship the cars
> vertically.
The side terminals have no bearing on the issue. The vent caps are
still on the top and they will leak if you turn them over just like a top
termianl battery.
Russell Kent
> In theory, there appears to be nothing in this procedure
> [calibrating the OBS needle] that the airplane owner of average
> ability couldn't readily duplicate. It is much simpler than,
> for example, replacing the landing light wiring, replacing all
> the fuel hoses in the engine compartment, or changing the
> landing gear tires. However, the latter are all on the list of
> owner-allowed preventive maintenance in Pt. 43 Appendix A. The
> former is not.
Hogwash. Sure sounds like diagnosing the landing light circuit to
me.
Russell "it's all a matter of interpretation" Kent
Peter Dohm
Tri-Wing is even more so. But I doubt as many people fill them with paint.
Peter
Margy Natalie
Sydney Hoeltzli wrote:
> Ron Natalie wrote:
> > "Russell Kent" <r-k...@ti.com> wrote in message news:3EE8D894...@ti.com...
> >>That's our Ron: always the romantic. :-)
>
> Absolutely. I got a titanium pry-bar for Valentine's day one year,
> and a Snap-on ratcheting screwdriver for my birthday.
>
> Of course, they came WITH flowers :)
>
> > Of course, she now has her own toolbox, but since I didn't buy her any wrenches
> > all my standard ones seem to have disappeared from mine (still got the metric ones,
> > no metric on the Navion).
>
> She's a lucky woman. I had my own toolbox, but all the tools in it
> kept disappearing because DH never puts his own tools away and mine
> were easier to find.
That happens here too, but Ron has help (wait until your sweet child turns into a
teenager!). But the tools I bought him to work on the airplane moved into "my" tool box
so I could take them to the airport to work on the airplane. His tool box is HUGE and
too heavy for me to carry, so I bought a smaller one (blue to match the plane). How do
you get the flowers too? Of course Ron also buys me things with John Deere printed on
the side :-).
Margy
Margy Natalie
Sydney Hoeltzli wrote:
> Ron Natalie wrote:
>
> > Margy spends so much time pulling old abused screws out of the Navion during
> > annual that I bought her her own set of screw extractors.
>
> Why not buy a set of stainless replacement screws and let the
> old abused screws go to their long-deserved rest?
>
> BTW what's the smallest screw extractor you've got? Or should
> I say "Margy's got"?
I'd have to go find it and look, it's been sooooo long since I've been near my
plane :-(. I don't have any really tiny ones, but I've been able to get
everything out so far. (ask again after the school year is finished and I'll go
check).
Margy
Sydney Hoeltzli
Heh.
I like Rod Farlee's explanation. It went something like this.
Nothing in the FARS prohibits the plane owner from attempting
to fix or prevent problems by invoking the power of prayer.
A time-honored part of the prayer tradition is healing by
"laying on of hands".
Of course, if the hands happen to be holding screwdrivers
or wrenches, the procedure may be even more effective :) :)
Cheers,
Sydney
Johnny Canuck
G.R. Patterson III
Johnny Canuck wrote:
>
> Where does the Robertson screw fit into this equation....???
Since the question was "what's the worst screw", the Robertson doesn't fit
in at all.
gross_arrow
of course it is. the landing light connects to ground, doesn't it?
and the vor head connects to ground also, doesn't it? well, there
ya go.
g_a
Model Flyer
"Ron Natalie" <r...@sensor.com> wrote in message
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Especially after someone has been at them with a Posidrive driver on
a battery electric screwdriver. Japanese motorcycles of 30 years ago
were the pits with all those Philips screws in every possible
place.:-(
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Model Flyer
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> What does the position of the terminals have to do with it? The
caps are
> still on the top. Must be missing someting.
The caps are sealed, the poles arn't.:-(
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> Wayne
>
> "Bill Higdon" <w.hi...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> > Javier,
> > It was designed for the Vega, so they could ship the cars
standing up.
> > That way they could fit more of the POS's on a rail car.
> > Bill Higdon
> > Javier Henderson wrote:
> > > "baltobernie" <bern...@pennstar.com> writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Hey, what about the side-terminal battery
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > WHO came up with THAT?
> > >
> > > I hate it.
> > >
> > > -jav
> >
> >
>
>
Ron Natalie
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>
> "Wayne" <wa...@southpenn.net> wrote in message
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> > What does the position of the terminals have to do with it? The
> caps are
> > still on the top. Must be missing someting.
>
> The caps are sealed, the poles arn't.:-(
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is sitting on the tires? (Actually it did @*$$% GM crap).
Wayne
on any battery. I doubt GM manufactured the battery itself anyway. Kinda
like saying Winderness A/T is Ford crap.
Wayne
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Newps
> So why doesn't my side terminal battery leak when the car
> is sitting on the tires?
Because the terminals originate from the top of the battery. You may or
may not see them at the top of the battery. If you don't they are just
inch wide x 1/4 inch thich metal straps that are contained within the
plastic case.
(Actually it did @*$$% GM crap).
You're right about GM selling crap.
Barnyard BOb --
> (Actually it did @*$$% GM crap).
>
>You're right about GM selling crap.
If you say so.
However, they do it very, very successfully.
Barnyard BOb - Ford ZX 2
Model Flyer
They do and you just said your's did!
Lol
Model Flyer
> I don't believe the posts/terminals/poles, whatever ya call em were
vented
> on any battery. I doubt GM manufactured the battery itself anyway.
Kinda
> like saying Winderness A/T is Ford crap.
> Wayne
>
Except on very rare occasions they all leak past the posts, this is
not by design but by default. It doesn't happen so much these days,
however 40 years ago it was a very common problem; many posts ended
up either black or covered in white crystals due to this leackage.
The posts on the side of the battery just resurects an old problem.
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Wayne
worse. Still in general I see less leakage on side terminals. Overcharging
is what causes most battery leaks and some cars electrical systems (Vega)
are notably more likely to over charge and in turn leak.
Oh, 40 years ago, the 1963 Vega. If you have one you better hang on to
it! I bet Chevrolet would give you a fortune for it.