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Captain Bill & Miss Frances

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Mar 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/26/00
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Anyone have an idea what the lightest engine would be (complete
installation) in the 80 to 100 hp range.
Thanks
Bill


Tony Spicer

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Mar 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/26/00
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Take a look at the Jabiru. 80 hp, 4 cylinder is 123 lbs, and 120 hp, 6
cylinder is 161 lbs. See specs at www.jabiruaircraft.com

Tony

Michel McCutcheon

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Mar 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/26/00
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J.D. GUINN

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Mar 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/26/00
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Bill,
Hirth has a 2 stroke 110 hp 4 cylinder engine, and I think it weighs
around 120 lbs.
Check out: www.recpower.com


J.D. Guinn

"Only two things are infinite----the universe and human stupidity, and
I'm not sure about the universe"
Albert Einstein


Captain Bill & Miss Frances

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Mar 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/27/00
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Steve,

What's the fuel burn? Assuming it's an APU, how hard (and if you don't
mind me asking how much) by the time you got it installed?

Thanks
Bill

"Steven M. Cantrell" wrote:

> I just know I'm going to catch some flak for this, but oh well.
> My little turbine puts out 95-100 shaft hp and weighs 85# installed.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Steve
> N9211B BD-5T ********** remove .nospam to reply ********
> http://www.concentric.net/~scantrel

Dan Horton

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Mar 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/27/00
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>My little turbine puts out 95-100 shaft hp and weighs 85# installed.<

No flak here. Tell us a little more about it.
Dan Horton

Charles K. Scott

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Mar 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/27/00
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In article <38DE936B...@concentric.net>

"Steven M. Cantrell" <scan...@concentric.net> writes:

> I just know I'm going to catch some flak for this, but oh well.

> <br>My little turbine puts out 95-100 shaft hp and weighs 85# installed.

Speaking for myself Steve, I'm always interested in interesting
installations regardless the type. A well done installation is a well
done installation, despite the efficiency, or lack thereof. ;-)

Corky Scott

Charles K. Scott

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Mar 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/27/00
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In article <38DF8840...@concentric.net>

"Steven M. Cantrell" <scan...@concentric.net> writes:

> If you wish to view the installation, go to my web site below.&nbsp;

Whoa, Katie bar the door, it's going in a BD-5.

Good luck sir, may the gods of flight smile kindly on your flight.
Should things go well with your testing I'm sure we'd all like to hear
about it. I know I would.

Corky Scott

Ryan Young

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Mar 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/27/00
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What prop are you using?  Guy down in Bullhead City killed himself in a similar setup, his electric prop did not have enough pitch authority, and it went to flat pitch at a bad time.  I'm going from memory here (there is a NTSB report on this accident), but I believe the prop was from Australia or New Zealand.

Ryan R Young
Oakland, CA
http://idt.net/~bredt19

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In article <38DF8840...@concentric.net>, "Steven M. Cantrell" <scan...@concentric.net> wrote:


Bill & all,

The turbine did indeed begin life as an apu, Solar T62-2A1.  Currently reworked and sold under the name Quantum by BD Micro Technologies <http://www.bd-micro.com>  in Siletz, OR.

Steven M. Cantrell

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Mar 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/28/00
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The setup I am using is the Quantum III/Quantum H-95 setup from BD Micro Technologies. This is a mechanical prop control, ie: no problem with electric motors.  Works very well and I am very pleased with it.

As for the referenced fatality, I do not believe the final NTSB report has been filed.  Preliminary reports indicate the pilot was attempting to increase the response time of the prop (known problem of electric setup is slow response time on pitch change).  NTSB reported that the prop was found to be approximate +2 degrees (basically flat).  This is an enormous amount of drag for this little airplane. Even though this prop setup is not recommended by BMT, there are people out there attempting to use it.  Not something I would choose to do.

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astrom

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May 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/15/00
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I want to add one more item to your question "and not cost thousands of
$$$$". There is a lot of $3,000 + engines. I want to find a good car engine
like the VW and Subaru is, but newer. I have used VW's and Subaru's with
good luck but want to try something new.


Irl PH21

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May 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/16/00
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'Smart' MCC microcar. 3cyl. ~700cc, ~60HP, electronic engine management,
turbocharged, intercooled, leightweight. Already adapted for UL (FK-9
highwing) in Germany. Performance (climb) meets 80HP
Rotax 912.
loef

astrom <star...@nemonet.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
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Irl PH21

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May 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/16/00
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BD5ER

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May 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/16/00
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Looks like an interesting powerplant. But how do I get the car wrapped
around it imported. I really liked my Subaru 360 and my Suzuki Swift is just
too darnd big.

loef

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May 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/16/00
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there's another alternative
a flybuddy is developing an Audi A3 turbodiesel conversion for aircraft use.
The target is to modify as few as possible. Weight penalty is accepted. The
airplane will be more of the kind low & slow. I will report about the
advances (it is an university engineering project scheduled for a period of
6 months)
loef

BD5ER schrieb in Nachricht <20000516124342...@ng-bd1.aol.com>...

kumaros

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May 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/17/00
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loef <lo...@irlgmbh.de> wrote in message
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> there's another alternative
> a flybuddy is developing an Audi A3 turbodiesel conversion for
aircraft use.
> The target is to modify as few as possible. Weight penalty is
accepted.

This is a very interesting project. I also think that any weight
penalty of a diesel is more than made up by its inherent robustness,
fuel efficiency, tolerance of alternative fuels (jet fuel for
instance), power gains and compensation for altitude by the turbo and
lack of an electric and/or electronic ignition etc.
As for the Smart engine mentioned earlier in this thread, it really is
a jewel but should cost as much too, as it is manufactured by no less
than Mercedes Benz! It should be a refreshing change from the old
Lycosauri of the new world though.
If I had a choice, however, I would go with a small used Japanese
power-plant in the 600-1000 cc range, preferably turbo. Daihatsu 1000
cc turbo is perfect with its nominal 101 HP. Derated to about 80 HP
it should be perfect in a twin-motor pusher application similar to the
Leon brothers Cozy IV, or a tractor/pusher Defiant-Long-EZ hybrid.

Nils Rostedt

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May 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/17/00
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> As for the Smart engine mentioned earlier in this thread, it really is
> a jewel but should cost as much too, as it is manufactured by no less
> than Mercedes Benz! <snip>

the introductory price in germany was around 2000 US dollars. Look to
http://home.t-online.de/home/B-F_Technik/m160ul.htm for contact information
(in german only).

-Nils

Kevin O'Brien

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May 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/17/00
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In article <8fsfh6$3ij$1...@newssrv.otenet.gr>, "kumaros"
<kum...@otenet.gr> wrote:

> a tractor/pusher Defiant-Long-EZ hybrid

Hmmm. Would this be a 'trasher'?

cheers

-=K=-

Justin

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"Nils Rostedt" <sai...@dlc.fiNOSPAM> wrote in message
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This looks like a great engine. If you don't read German, copy the url for
the page from above, go to http://babelfish.altavista.com/ and paste the
url into the box. Select translate from German to English from the pull down
menu, hit the translate button, and after a few seconds you will see the
page completely translated to English. There are a few glitches mainly with
the technical terms, but generally it's pretty good.

I've used this site before and think it's pretty good and makes things much
easier to understand. My German is pretty rusty.

Hope this is of help.

Cheers,

Justin.

Mike Sieweke

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May 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/18/00
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"Nils Rostedt" <sai...@dlc.fiNOSPAM> wrote:

> > As for the Smart engine mentioned earlier in this thread, it really is
> > a jewel but should cost as much too, as it is manufactured by no less
> > than Mercedes Benz! <snip>
>
> the introductory price in germany was around 2000 US dollars. Look to
> http://home.t-online.de/home/B-F_Technik/m160ul.htm for contact information
> (in german only).

The introductory price is around $7000. The installation kit for
an FK9 is $2000.

--
Remove the "nospam" from my address if you reply.

Mike Sieweke - msie...@nospam.ix.netcom.com
Harlem, GA - http://www.netcom.com/~msieweke

kumaros

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May 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/18/00
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but the $ 2,000 is for the mounting
hardware!
The engine itself is DM 14.500 or something like $ 7,500.
Lambros Papadopoulos, it's all Greek to me
kum...@otenet.gr

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> "Nils Rostedt" <sai...@dlc.fiNOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:8fuib4$plt$1...@tron.sci.fi...

> > > As for the Smart engine mentioned earlier in this thread, it
really is
> > > a jewel but should cost as much too, as it is manufactured by no
less
> > > than Mercedes Benz! <snip>
> >
> > the introductory price in germany was around 2000 US dollars. Look
to
> > http://home.t-online.de/home/B-F_Technik/m160ul.htm for contact
> information
> > (in german only).
> >

> > -Nils
> >
>
> This looks like a great engine.

It does but look at its cost for a paltry 55HP.

kumaros

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HaHaHa
Well, another term to learn.
Lambros Papadopoulos, it's al Greek to me
kum...@otenet.gr
Kevin O'Brien <ke...@useorganisationasadomainname.com> wrote in
message news:kevin-8BA51D.20340117052000@[205.252.14.134]...

Nils Rostedt

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> Sorry to burst your bubble, but the $ 2,000 is for the mounting
> hardware!
> The engine itself is DM 14.500 or something like $ 7,500.

<snip>

> > This looks like a great engine.
>
> It does but look at its cost for a paltry 55HP.
>

Sorry for the pricing mistake. Temporary blackout.
Regarding the HP, when I spoke with the company last March they made a point
that performance comes from torque, rather than from HP. In this respect it
is said to compare favorably with typical 80HP engines. Go figure. Anyway,
it still is a Mercedes basic design ;-) and the airplane modification is
done with support from that company.

-Nils

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