Interesting John Denver Fact
Dave Driscoll
episode (he and I grew up listening to the records went to our first
"rock" concert when we were about 6 and 8). My bro's thoughts on the
subject where needless to say stunning.
Seems that John was the second most decorated sniper in the Vietnam War
with 70 some confirmed kills. As I had grown older my view of John had
been somewhat tarnished by his brushes with DWI (how can one who
preaches kindness to others care so little as to recklessly endanger his
fellow man) However, in light of his former "career", I would suspect
that he was plauged by demons of a far darker sort than those that
accompany receeding stardom. Although I don't agree with my brothers
theory that John punched out deliberatly, knowing the starting point of
his career certainly paints the mans life and achievments in a
completely different light.
While I have never seen any mention of this in any media, I don't doubt
the source. My brother graduated from West Point and was an Army boy
for his 5 well 3 1/2 after the solo March graduation (first in the
history of the school, but a story for another day).
I guess to be a dove, you first have to be a hawk.
--
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Robert Day
true. What was he doing during the 'Nam years? Interesting...
Rob
Richard Riley wrote in message <36b65a8b...@news.loop.com>...
>On 2 Feb 1999 01:06:02 GMT, in <795j1q$5...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
"Bruce A.
>Frank" <BAFRANK@**SpamBlock**worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>Dave,
>>
>>This would be a beautiful story if it were true. I cannot say it is not
>>but I have six different song books of Denver's music and all give a
>>thumbnail of Denver's life. None have any mention of his service in
>>Vietnam.
>
>I have his autobiography - there's no mention of military service, though
his
>father was an Air Force pilot and he grew up as a military brat. Went to
>college, dropped out, started singing.
>
>His eyesight probably would have kept him out of the sniper job - he had
surgery
>in later life, but before that, without his glasses he was blind.
Evan Julber
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to reply, remve "of course no spam"
>Oh wait, did I say JOHN Denver? I meant Bob Denver. Yeah, Gilligan,
that's
>it. That's what REALLY happened to all those people they met on the
island.
>Of course! That's why none of them made it back to civilization. "Little
>Buddy THIS!" POW!
>
>Mrs. Howell: "Gilligan, dear boy, however do you keep finding this
scrumptious
>meat? I thought there weren't any animals on this island?"
>Gilligan: "Heh-heh-heh..."
>
>Or maybe it was Denver Pyle. Or Gomer Pyle. (Wasn't he in the Marines?)
Oh,
>who knows.
Bruce A. Frank
This would be a beautiful story if it were true. I cannot say it is not
but I have six different song books of Denver's music and all give a
thumbnail of Denver's life. None have any mention of his service in
Vietnam.
As for his punching out intensionally, though having bouts of depression
on occasion, he had just had a great day with his 8 yr old daughter and,
according to friends at the golf course, had turned down a drink at the
club house bar because he "had a new plane to go fly." I know depression
follows no rules but he had not been diagnosed with anything near to
severe clinical depression.
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While trying to find the time to finish mine.
Geoff Thistlethwaite
I do believe your brother is yanking your chain!
Geoff Thistlethwaite
Michele Boland
military, much less a decorated sniper so I looked it up.
From the John Denver FAQ
http://www.sky.net/~emily/articles/jd-faq.txt
"20. Did John ever serve in the military? No, he did not.
Read his autobiography "Take Me Home" for more details on John's life. "
So much for the decorated sniper theory.
Michele
"Bruce A. Frank" BAFRANK@**SpamBlock**worldnet.att.net wrote in
<795j1q$5...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>:
BH206B
Vet Trek
>with 70 some confirmed kills.
This is an urban legend. Check it out at www.snopes.com (along with other
famous urban legends).
John got out of serving in the military because he was missing his big toe
(and the toe next to it) secondary to an accident with a lawn mower when he was
young.
John's father was Henry John Deutschendorf who was a Lt. Col. in the Air
Force and set some air speed records, some of which still stand. So John was an
Air Force brat.
Val
I know the music didn't die
when the plane fell from the California sky.
-Steve Stapenhorst
John Ousterhout
<seesig...@execpc.com> wrote:
>Seems that John was the second most decorated sniper in the Vietnam War
>with 70 some confirmed kills.
This is an Urban legend.
http://snopes.simplenet.com/music/artists/denver.htm
(No not the Muzzleloader Urban legend)
- John Ousterhout -
Bob U.
For you youngsters, Mr. Denver wore glasses as thick as coke bottle
bottoms in his youth. (Anybody remember glass soda bottles?)
YES, That makes him blinder than me on Muzzleloader in P'ville. <g>
My recollection of John was that he was just a singing hippie type
during Viet Nam. But, hey, those are now distant memories.......
and probably quite distorted. Strange what senility does.
What happened to good ol' fashioned "MYTHS" ?
Why are they picking on us 'Urbans' anyway?
Bob U.
John Robbins
> >Seems that John was the second most decorated sniper in the Vietnam War
> >with 70 some confirmed kills.
>
> This is an urban legend. Check it out at www.snopes.com (along with other
> famous urban legends).
> John got out of serving in the military because he was missing his big toe
> (and the toe next to it) secondary to an accident with a lawn mower when he was
> young.
> John's father was Henry John Deutschendorf who was a Lt. Col. in the Air
> Force and set some air speed records, some of which still stand. So John was an
> Air Force brat.
>
> Val
>
> I know the music didn't die
> when the plane fell from the California sky.
> -Steve Stapenhorst
I had a friend in the Navy (25 years ago) who went to high school with JD. Said he
used to sing in the locker room because of the good acoustics. He also told me the
loss of the toe was not an accident, but was done to keep from having to serve in
the military.
John Robbins
Charles K. Scott
Dave Driscoll <seesig...@execpc.com> writes:
> Was talking to my brother this weekend about the whole John Denver
> episode (he and I grew up listening to the records went to our first
> "rock" concert when we were about 6 and 8). My bro's thoughts on the
> subject where needless to say stunning.
I hope your brother isn't in Army Intelligence Dave.
> Seems that John was the second most decorated sniper in the Vietnam War
> with 70 some confirmed kills. As I had grown older my view of John had
> been somewhat tarnished by his brushes with DWI (how can one who
> preaches kindness to others care so little as to recklessly endanger his
> fellow man) However, in light of his former "career", I would suspect
> that he was plauged by demons of a far darker sort than those that
> accompany receeding stardom. Although I don't agree with my brothers
> theory that John punched out deliberatly, knowing the starting point of
> his career certainly paints the mans life and achievments in a
> completely different light.
This does Denver a disservice, your brother does not know Denver, his
history or the airplane he was flying. John Denver was a college
drop-out and successful singer. He did not have time to be "the second
most decorated sniper in the Vietnam War".
> While I have never seen any mention of this in any media, I don't doubt
> the source. My brother graduated from West Point and was an Army boy
> for his 5 well 3 1/2 after the solo March graduation (first in the
> history of the school, but a story for another day).
You should always question the sources of stories like this. You
should also not be so quick to pass on urban legends and claim them as
fact.
> I guess to be a dove, you first have to be a hawk.
> Dave Driscoll
Oops, an opinion built from false facts. I've read the biography of
the guy who was the MOST decorated sniper in Vietnam, the two
childhoods and early adulthood were totally different, Yin and Yan
actually. Guess what no. 1 most decorated sniper liked doing? I'll
give you a hint, it wasn't playing a guitar and singing.
Corky Scott
Kevin O'Brien
but I don't think I have taken points out of context or misrepresented
what you said.
In article <795h3n$5...@newsops.execpc.com>, Dave Driscoll
<seesig...@execpc.com> wrote:
> Was talking to my brother this weekend...>snip<
> Seems that John was the second most decorated sniper in the Vietnam War
> with 70 some confirmed kills.
This is complete, and absolute, hogwash. Dave, your brother is fishing
you, probably because he was fished himself. This is the sort of story we
want to believe, because it would be neatly ironic if it were true.
Unfortunately, this myth of the wartime hero turned unassuming & gentle
entertainer is as bogus as the myth of combat veteran as ticking time
bomb. The funny thing is Denver himself never promoted this particular
myth, unlike the phonies that the veterans associations are swamped with.
(I can count the number of real SEALs, for instance, I've ever known on my
fingers, but I meet a fake SEAL every couple weeks. There are whole
websites devoted to this bizarre phenomenon). Many if not most of the
"veterans" you meet at the VN Memorial standing around in their BDU
jackets are phonies, too.
It's hard to think of a celebrity who is a vietnam combat veteran. Six or
eight politicians for sure, Oliver Stone [as brief and undistinguished as
his unhappy combat career was], record promoter Joe Isgro [maybe not a
celebrity to you]. Of course we have our own celebs in aviation and that's
a whole different crowd, but I can't think of an av celeb who was a ground
combat veteran. There is a similar myth [to the Denver fish story] about
Kris Kristofferson, who was evidently a helicopter pilot but not a VN or
combat veteran, let along the MOH hero he is made out to be. John Walton
(Sam's son) was
> I don't agree with my brothers
> theory that John punched out deliberatly
You're right to be skeptical, I think. I have seen a couple people rather
snidely make a suggestion of suicide here and there... notably on the
canard or EZ page at barnstormers... it's natural fertiliser, pardon my
French, and probably got started because we all know it's pretty hard to
have the usual approach and takeoff stall crashes in an EZ. However, poor
John is living (or should I say dead) proof that given an emergency and a
few other little difficulties & misfortunes that cascade together, even a
good pilot can be singing in the celestial choir in short order. The
suggestion that JD committed suicide is unsupported by events in his life.
Most suicides (even Vince Foster!) leave some in their lives shocked but
not entirely surprised, because there's usually a lot of foreshadowing.
And it would be a very complex way to kill yourself - running your plane
dry and crashing rather than effect a good emargency landing or ditching.
You can't prove a negative in the sense of a mathematical, airtight proof,
but the absence of any positive information supporting a suicide theory
would seem reasonably conclusive.
A corollary to this is the statement (elsewhere in this thread, and not by
Dave) that Denver hacked off his toes to avoid military service. Anyone
who lived through the years of the Vietnam draft remembers that there were
many ways to get out of it if you really wanted to... graduate school...
marriage (for some years anyway)... the national guard... a friendly
doctor... a declaration of homosexuality. All of these were a lot more
common (and more successful) than sticking your foot in your lawnmower,
not to mention less painful. After most of the deferments were ended
(1970? I don't remember), there was a lottery of birthdates. In any event,
if JD HAD been drafted, his brains would have kept him out of combat -
he'd have been repairing cryptographic machines somewhere, unless he
volunteered. As far as I know all snipers were volunteers, I could be
mistaken as there's a lot I don't know.
>
> My brother graduated from West Point<
In my Army experience, this usually said the man had brains and ambition,
but said nothing pro or con about his integrity and credibility - that had
to be sorted out with long and bitter experience! This is not a whack at
your brother Dave, who is (it is to be hoped) in the "pro" category. But
about all we know about him is that he had two points of, ah, dubious
information about Mr Denver.
Sorry for the long post, hope I didn't stray too far from the topic at
hand. I was never a John Denver fan, but I think he had quite an
interesting enough life without having to kill either 70 unfortunates or
himself, or hack his toes off.
cheers
-=K=-
Vet Trek
>loss of the toe was not an accident, but was done to keep from having to
>serve in
>the military.
He was missing not one, but two toes (including his big toe) in the lawn mower
accident in 1962. He was not drafted until 1964. As someone else pointed out,
there were a lot of other non debilitating excuses he could have used.
Val
He was flying for me
He was flying for everyone
-JD
The Hecksel's
>
> I hope your brother isn't in Army Intelligence Dave.
Now there's an oxymoron!
Warren
Richard Lamb
Why would anybody WANT to be thought of as a VNV?
Do they think that it means yer "tough" or something?
Maybe it means you can act crazy if you want to?
Or that decent people should be afraid of ya?
Blows my mind...
What it really means is:
broken marrages
lost jobs
bad dreams
no close friends
crying
quick anger
depression
"anniversaries"
withdrawal
alienation
no respect
no acknowledgment
no understanding
no acceptance
constant tension
and not much hope.
I think if the wannabes knew what it's really like
to be a Viet Nam Vet, they'd probably wannabe
something else....
Richard Lamb
DFC
1/9 Cav
1968 - 1969
John Forzetting
In late 68 (Nov. I think) the 1/9 Cav moved in with us at our Base Camp.
Can you tell me where that was?
John Forzetting
tet 68
Richard Lamb wrote in message <36B77A30...@flash.net>...
Rich Ahrens
> For you youngsters, Mr. Denver wore glasses as thick as coke bottle
> bottoms in his youth. (Anybody remember glass soda bottles?)
> YES, That makes him blinder than me on Muzzleloader in P'ville. <g>
Yeah, but at least he was breathing, Bob.
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Robert Day
wannabe. But not all of us are blind to the situation. I'm
proud to be American, and I'm even prouder of anyone who
wore the uniform.
Rob Day
Veteran (non-combat)
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Richard Lamb wrote in message
<36B7E5CC...@flash.net>...
>I'm REAL!
>Well, John, that's the same thing the shrinks tell me every
week.
>Sometimes I doubt them too....
>
>Yepper, I saw the twins (nobody seems to remember Nui Bah
RA
>(the WHITE virgin)
>
>Welcome home, dude.
Jerry Springer
>John Forzetting wrote:
>
> Hey Richard,
> In late 68 (Nov. I think) the 1/9 Cav moved in with us at our Base
> Camp.
>> Can you tell me where that was?
>
> John Forzetting
> tet 68
>
John looks like you were there for tet 68, I left Saigon
two days before tet 68 so I missed it, got to watch it on
tv at home. While my time there 67-68 was not as exciting
as some, I was a medical research photographer at Cu Chi,
Long Benh, and Benh Wah (sp). It was a experience that I
silently reflect on quite freqently even today 31 years
later. Pretty heavy duty stuff for a 20 year old kid.
--
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HERD J D
: It really amazes me how many people wannabe VietNam Combat Veterans.
: Why would anybody WANT to be thought of as a VNV?
: Do they think that it means yer "tough" or something?
: Maybe it means you can act crazy if you want to?
: Or that decent people should be afraid of ya?
: Blows my mind...
I don't know anybody who *WANTS* to be a Vietnam Vet, in fact the three
or four vets that i know didn't want to be themselves. They went to
Vietnam out of a sense of duty and National pride and came back to
Australia damn near broken men.
I think this VNV revival is more a way of those of us left behind to say
" hey, we're sorry we treated you vets like dog shit when you returned.
We now Understand".
Or maybe not.
Sometimes dull boring people claim lots of things just to get attention.
:
: What it really means is:
: broken marrages
: lost jobs
: bad dreams
: no close friends
: crying
: quick anger
: depression
: "anniversaries"
: withdrawal
: alienation
: no respect
: no acknowledgment
: no understanding
: no acceptance
: constant tension
: and not much hope.
:
True.
: I think if the wannabes knew what it's really like
: to be a Viet Nam Vet, they'd probably wannabe
: something else....
:
Even truer.
: Richard Lamb
: DFC
: 1/9 Cav
: 1968 - 1969
For the record, i was not a vet. I was in my last year of senior high
school and looked like being drafted the following year when our then
Prime Minister Gough Whitlam pulled Australians out of Vietnam. Bless
him.
--
Cheers,
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Richard Lamb
bidding a fond farewell to Camp Evans and the Northern
Highlands, flew south to sunny exciting South Vietnam!
I was a crewchief on an OH6A.
HQ was at Phouc Vinh. I think C troop hung out there also.
B troop (Home, sweet, home) was at Quan Loi.
I think A troop and the Blues (D) were at Tay Ninh (SIQ)
So who were you with and where?
John Forzetting wrote:
>
> Hey Richard,
> In late 68 (Nov. I think) the 1/9 Cav moved in with us at our Base Camp.
> Can you tell me where that was?
>
> John Forzetting
> tet 68
>
> Richard Lamb wrote in message <36B77A30...@flash.net>...
> >It really amazes me how many people wannabe VietNam Combat Veterans.
> >Why would anybody WANT to be thought of as a VNV?
> >Do they think that it means yer "tough" or something?
> >Maybe it means you can act crazy if you want to?
> >Or that decent people should be afraid of ya?
> >Blows my mind...
> >
> >What it really means is:
> > broken marrages
> > lost jobs
> > bad dreams
> > no close friends
> > crying
> > quick anger
> > depression
> > "anniversaries"
> > withdrawal
> > alienation
> > no respect
> > no acknowledgment
> > no understanding
> > no acceptance
> > constant tension
> > and not much hope.
> >
> >I think if the wannabes knew what it's really like
> >to be a Viet Nam Vet, they'd probably wannabe
> >something else....
> >
John Forzetting
You are for real!!!. I was with the 362nd ASD at Tay Ninh. Cav saved our
butts when they came in in November. Had more fun than I care to remember.
Went down twice in H1, once at Tay Ninh East by ther Cau Di temple next to
the GB's camp and once in the Large rubber tree plantation between Cu Chi
and Tay Ninh. Did you fly up to Nui Bah Dinh (Black Virgen Mountain) any?
John
Richard Lamb wrote in message <36B7D582...@flash.net>...
Richard Lamb
Richard Lamb
> or four vets that i know didn't want to be themselves. They went to
> Vietnam out of a sense of duty and National pride and came back to
> Australia damn near broken men.
> I think this VNV revival is more a way of those of us left behind to say
> " hey, we're sorry we treated you vets like dog shit when you returned.
> We now Understand".
Most people wouldn't know how much that means.
Many thanks.
> Or maybe not.
>
> Sometimes dull boring people claim lots of things just to get attention.
>
I have an invitation to come "down under" in August for the big parade.
Really want to but it will depend on finances.
At least the Aussies don't blame troops for political fuck-ups.
Perty good beer, too!
Bob U.
>"Bob U." wrote:
>> For you youngsters, Mr. Denver wore glasses as thick as coke bottle
>> bottoms in his youth. (Anybody remember glass soda bottles?)
>> YES, That makes him blinder than me on Muzzleloader in P'ville. <g>
>
>Yeah, but at least he was breathing, Bob.
>-
>|Rich Ahrens
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hey....
I can breath OR I can consume mass quantities of ML.
Nobody's perfect !!!!! <g>
Bob U.
Richard Lamb
Jerry Springer wrote:
>
> >John Forzetting wrote:
> >
> > Hey Richard,
> > In late 68 (Nov. I think) the 1/9 Cav moved in with us at our Base
> > Camp.
> >> Can you tell me where that was?
> >
> > John Forzetting
> > tet 68
> >
highflyer
>
> I've heard this story also. Maybe it's just an urban legend, maybe it's
> true. What was he doing during the 'Nam years? Interesting...
>
> Rob
>
>
Singing folk songs in Denver. Talked to him there several times in
the late sixties.
HF
RWhitt1245
The Hecksel's
A good friend flew swing wings in Nam, and it took a lllooooonnnnggg
time for him to talk about it. In fact, my brother-in-law was the one
that finally broke the ice. To this day, he will not get in another
swing wing, but he flies the hell out of his Bo.
Warren
Richard Lamb
has a 3 bladed rotor. Sounds quite different from a 2 blade.
Then, one day, the Army flies an old antique UH1D over, and
I damn near messed my pants! Your friend ain't alone....
The Hecksel's wrote:
>
(snipped my whiney stuff)
Pamela Beasley
Actually the lawn mower incident had to have happened earlier that 1962
since it happened while he was in high school. He graduated from
Arlington Heights in Fort Worth in 1961.
Jerry Springer
AAsberry wrote:
>
> >
> I don't mean to crash the party fellows. Co. B, 25th Avn, Cu Chi, 68-69.
>
> Got there just in time for Tet 68. You guys bring back a lot of memories. Tay
> Ninh, Binh Wa (spent many nights there), Nui Ba Dinh. Bounced a lot of bullets
> off that chunk of rock.
>
> I don't recall the exact date and Cu Chi wasn't exactly overrun. But we did
> share the same piece of ground with Chuck for a couple of weeks. Lost a bunch
> of CH47s.
>
> I'm trying to remember a vill on the Cambodian border. Go Da Ha (sp). Any help?
>
> Snipped my own story here. Everybody has got one and no one wants to hear the
> other fellow's.
>
> Thumbs up!
>
> Andy
> UH1C '111'
I probably passed you on the road somewhere Andy, my
last assignment was at Cu Chi. I saw the Bob Hope
show there Christmas 67, he had Rachel Welch with
him that year, wow what a fine looking lady. Got to
meet him and her as they toured the hospital there.
--
Jerry Springer|RV-6 First Flight 1989|Hillsboro, OR
Vet Trek
>since it happened while he was in high school. He graduated from
>Arlington Heights in Fort Worth in 1961.
In John's autobiography, "Take Me Home", on page 43, he says, "I am missing two
toes from an accident with a lawnmower- a terrible thing that happened when I
was eighteen..." John was born Dec. 31, 1943 and so would have been 18 in
1962.
Val
p.s. Pam, I doubt that these pilots care about this, how about taking this
over to the John Denver newsgroup?
AAsberry
> You are for real!!!. I was with the 362nd ASD at Tay Ninh. Cav saved our
>butts when they came in in November. Had more fun than I care to remember.
>Went down twice in H1, once at Tay Ninh East by ther Cau Di temple next to
>the GB's camp and once in the Large rubber tree plantation between Cu Chi
>and Tay Ninh. Did you fly up to Nui Bah Dinh (Black Virgen Mountain) any?
>
>John
>
>Richard Lamb wrote in message <36B7D582...@flash.net>...
>>The day after Halloween, we picked up our skirts and,
>>bidding a fond farewell to Camp Evans and the Northern
>>Highlands, flew south to sunny exciting South Vietnam!
>>I was a crewchief on an OH6A.
>>
>>HQ was at Phouc Vinh. I think C troop hung out there also.
>>B troop (Home, sweet, home) was at Quan Loi.
>>I think A troop and the Blues (D) were at Tay Ninh (SIQ)
>>
>>So who were you with and where?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hey Richard,
>>> In late 68 (Nov. I think) the 1/9 Cav moved in with us at our Base
>Camp.
>>> Can you tell me where that was?
>>>
>>> John Forzetting
>>> tet 68
>>>
Richard Lamb
Tell away if ya want, or back/channel via email.
25th Avn Btn hauled a couple of my birds outta the bush.
Thanks for the lift!
Welcome home, Andy.
highflyer
>
> sounds like a six-pack story to me
I am filling no less than eight KEGS for the Pinckneyville flyin.
Way too many stories for a six-pack or two. :-)
HF
AAsberry
>last assignment was at Cu Chi. I saw the Bob Hope
>show there Christmas 67, he had Rachel Welch with
>him that year, wow what a fine looking lady. Got to
>meet him and her as they toured the hospital there.
>
>
>
>--
>Jerry Springer|RV-6 First Flight 1989|Hillsboro, OR
>jsf...@ix.netcom.com
>
>
ducked the Nam flight physical until 3 weeks before rotation. The Doc was
understanding and didn't ground me. Flew until the night before I left. 11
months as a crewchief, 1400 hours.
I saw the '68 show from 1200agl. We flew cover for them.
Dug out some photos. In a picture dated Feb. 26, 1969 there are 11 burned
Chinooks that were sachel charged. Cu Chi was overrun the previous night.
Payday was late that month. Charlie had control of the finance office.
How long did it take after you got home before you quit saying "Roger" to the
drive-thru speaker at McDonalds? Or jumping out of bed at a run when the phone
rang? Those who have slept in a Ready Shack know what I mean. The minigun
covers are stowed before you wake up.
Thanks for the trip guys.
Andy
ditto DFC
Vet Trek
>this one -- he was a Deutschendorf as I recall.
John's father, Henry John Deutschendorf, was a Lt. Colonel in the Air Force. He
was a pilot and set several speed records and was known as "Dutch".
Val
I heard a singer whose songs were pure
About humans, our loves and our greeds
And this man when he sang even angry words
Had a soul that was deeply at peace
- Ellen Stapenhorst
Tony P
in Germany, that was his name.)
Tony Pucillo
Richard Riley wrote:
>
> On 2 Feb 1999 01:06:02 GMT, in <795j1q$5...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "Bruce A.
> Frank" <BAFRANK@**SpamBlock**worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Dave,
> >
> >This would be a beautiful story if it were true. I cannot say it is not
> >but I have six different song books of Denver's music and all give a
> >thumbnail of Denver's life. None have any mention of his service in
> >Vietnam.
>
> I have his autobiography - there's no mention of military service, though his
> father was an Air Force pilot and he grew up as a military brat. Went to
> college, dropped out, started singing.
>
> His eyesight probably would have kept him out of the sniper job - he had surgery
> in later life, but before that, without his glasses he was blind.
--
Castigat ridendo mores. <Laughter succeeds where lecturing won't.>
I speak only for myself unless otherwise stated. One personality is
enough, thank you.
Craig Wall
Richard Lamb wrote:
> It really amazes me how many people wannabe VietNam Combat Veterans.
> Why would anybody WANT to be thought of as a VNV?
Most of the wannabes *I've* met seem to want you to buy them a drink.
( I'm not a vet, but I cannot believe someone would be so low as to
pose as one when they hadn't earned the honor of claiming veteran
status. Consequently, I never suspect these assholes, and it's always a
*real* vet that calls them on it.)
Craig Wall
Richard Barnett
His dad was a B-58 driver, as I recall reading.
Rusty
In article <19990208095621...@ng-cb1.aol.com>,
vet...@aol.com (Vet Trek) wrote:
>>There may have BEEN a John Denver with such an accomplishment, but not
>>this one -- he was a Deutschendorf as I recall.
>
HERD J D
: > I don't know anybody who *WANTS* to be a Vietnam Vet, in fact the three
Keep me posted.
If you ciome any where near Newcastle (160km north of Sydney I'll buy
you a beer.
Our big day is ANZAC day (My birthday too 8-) ). This is where we
commeorate the loss at Golipoli in 1915.
Every service from every theatre of every war is represented.
Sydney has a big march past. Newcastle has some dawn services and a
smaller march.
Plenty of beer is drunk. Traditionally a lot of two-up is played.
Just for the record, Aussie beer is the best in the world.
(just an opinion, mind ya.)
Richard Lamb
Leo told me about this. He's been most persuasive.
Even told me about the lassies fasciantion with
Texans and all. I really hope to be able to show.
Golipoli. Boy there was a mess. There was a very well
done movie of that. I saw it last year. If it's even
half true those men deserve to be remembered. Mostly
in awe, I'd think.
As to the beer, a good combo with Texas Chili!
And, uhhh, what's two-up?
Thanks John.
highflyer
>
> On 11 Feb 1999 00:54:22 GMT, in <79t9nu$f$1...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
> mg...@u2.newcastle.edu.au (HERD J D) wrote:
> >
> >
> >Just for the record, Aussie beer is the best in the world.
> >(just an opinion, mind ya.)
> >--
>
> Fosters. You must keep the good stuff for yourselves.
>
And most of the Foster's I see in the stores here in the states is
brewed in CANADA. I did see some XXXX in one of the stores recently,
but I don't think it is being regularly imported.
Remember, as a nation, Australia has the highest per capita beer
consumption in the world. They can't make enough of the good stuff
to have any left to ship to the states!
HF
Richard Barnett
some Redback.
I DO miss Victoria Bitter, though...
Rusty
In article <36c23410....@news.loop.com>,
Berkut...@loop.com (Richard Riley) wrote:
>On 11 Feb 1999 00:54:22 GMT, in <79t9nu$f$1...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
>mg...@u2.newcastle.edu.au (HERD J D) wrote:
>>
>>
>>Just for the record, Aussie beer is the best in the world.
>>(just an opinion, mind ya.)
>>--
>
>Unfortunately, in America, the Aussie brewing industry is represented by
>Fosters. You must keep the good stuff for yourselves.
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HERD J D
: On 11 Feb 1999 00:54:22 GMT, in <79t9nu$f$1...@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
: mg...@u2.newcastle.edu.au (HERD J D) wrote:
: >
: >
: >Just for the record, Aussie beer is the best in the world.
: >(just an opinion, mind ya.)
: >--
:
: Unfortunately, in America, the Aussie brewing industry is represented by
: Fosters. You must keep the good stuff for yourselves.
Fosters hardly rates a mention these days. VB (Victoris Bitter is nice)
. My personal favourite is Tooheys Old, commonly referred to as
"Black". (Because its black like stout, but is a beer.
Redback is what I think you blokes call a micro brewery. Its actually a
wheat beer, rather than a grain beer.
Funnily ennough, Fosters was started by two Americans all those years
ago. Carlton bought them out and retained the name.
And even funnier, and I find this hard to say....
I just came back from a few weeks in Singapore and drank nothing but
Tiger. Absotively de-licious.
Two-up is an illegal gambling game in Australia, played by the diggers
in the trenches during the two big wars.
Played legally only on ANZAC day (April 25th). You get two coins,
preferably pennies (old english pennies, not 1c coins 8-) ), place them
one head, one head down, on a flat stick and turf them into the air.
You bet on the result, either heads or tails. An evens means a re
throw.
highflyer
>
> Recently saw some XXXX at the local "Outback Steakhouse", as well as
> some Redback.
>
> I DO miss Victoria Bitter, though...
>
> Rusty
>
Last year for the flyin, Ray Jarvis and HF coordinated to hand carry
a virgin can of VB all the way from Melbourne to Pink Knee Village,
by way of Hong KOng for the "greatest distance flown" award. It
was won by Rich Ilfeld. Unfortunately, when we wnet to award the
VB prize, it was discovered that O Ring had found it hidden in the
ice box in the office and swilled it without a by your leave!
If I had know he was going to do that, I would have drank it in
Hong Kong!
HF