top ten sellers of '92
Jonathan Bruce Hacker
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12.9 million total sales
1) Honda Accord 387,881
2) Ford Taurus 347,534
3) Toyota Camry 277,792
4) Ford Escort 244,231
5) Chevrolet Lumina 219,120
6) Honda Civic 217,832
7) Ford Tempo 213,352
8) Chevy Cavalier 212,675
9) Toyota Corolla 206,560
10) Pontiac Grand AM 198,596
How dull.
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Issa El-Hazin
>1992 auto sales (from LA Times)
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>12.9 million total sales
>1) Honda Accord 387,881
>2) Ford Taurus 347,534
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This number is so high due to the fact that Ford sold ~ 1/2 of these,
at discount prices, to rental places, government, and public/private
companies as fleet cars. I've read this in some news mag. 2 weeks ago.
Of course, getting a new face lift for 93 has helped. I think the
total number sold last year was ~300,000 vs. ~400,000 Accords. Catching
up. The next car should've been the one in the 1st spot, IMO.
>3) Toyota Camry 277,792
>4) Ford Escort 244,231
>5) Chevrolet Lumina 219,120
>6) Honda Civic 217,832
>7) Ford Tempo 213,352
>8) Chevy Cavalier 212,675
>9) Toyota Corolla 206,560
>10) Pontiac Grand AM 198,596
>How dull.
Yeah, I'd say.
Issa
Chris Cooke
1) Honda Accord 387,881
2) Ford Taurus 347,534
3) Toyota Camry 277,792
4) Ford Escort 244,231
5) Chevrolet Lumina 219,120
6) Honda Civic 217,832
7) Ford Tempo 213,352
8) Chevy Cavalier 212,675
9) Toyota Corolla 206,560
10) Pontiac Grand AM 198,596
Good grief, this must be why GM are laying off so many people. I thought
they were a big company in the USA, but their top model is only the 5th most
popular one in the country! What are the total sales of the different
companies?
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Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)
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>
>12.9 million total sales
>
>1) Honda Accord 387,881
>
So, it means Honda sold about 90,000 more Accords in U.S. than last year's
total auto sales in Japan...
(Last year, about 300,000 cars were sold in Japan. The majority of cars sold
there were sub 660-cc minitures. So, you think Japan is a big market, huh?)
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Steven A. Morris
>In article <1at066...@gap.caltech.edu> hac...@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker) writes:
>>1992 auto sales (from LA Times)
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>So, it means Honda sold about 90,000 more Accords in U.S. than last year's
>total auto sales in Japan...
>(Last year, about 300,000 cars were sold in Japan. The majority of cars sold
>there were sub 660-cc minitures. So, you think Japan is a big market, huh?)
Yes, it is interesting that HONDA sells more cars in the USA than in
Japan.... The Domestic market in Japan is more BRAND LOYAL than that
in the US.... so the recent upstart companies, like HONDA have not
penetrated the domestic market to nearly the degree that they have in
the USA. In Japan TOYOTA and NISSAN hold a significant lead over
HONDA, much greater than in the US (where in cars alone HONDA leads
both.)
With the offshore production in the USA and Great Britan and
elsewhere, Honda will soon be an International company that produces
the majority of its automobiles OUTSIDE of JAPAN.
This will not be true for TOYOTA which has a much larger Japanese
plant capacity and smaller offshore capacity.
Honda has a significant share of market when you consider that it
produces neither a pickup truck nor minivan. Even smaller companies
like Isuzu, Suzuki, Isuzu cover this segment of the market.
Honda also has abandoned the under 10,000 dollar segment of the market
with only ONE MODEL of the CIVIC (the base hatchback) having a MSRP
under 10K! Odd considering that they have a larger share of the
microcar market in Japan and make a number of interesting products
that could be marketed in that price segment. Even TOYOTA has kept a
TERCEL in the 7K range......
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Roberto L. Landrau
(Jonathan Bruce Hacker) published a list of the best sellers. When
gathering these statistics, do they consider identical (and similar)
``twins'' (``triplets'' in the case of Chrysler --oops no Chryslers in
here!-- and ``quadruples'', in the case of GM)?
> 2) Ford Taurus 347,534
Does that include the Mercury Sable too?
> 4) Ford Escort 244,231
Does that include the Mercury Tracer too?
> 5) Chevrolet Lumina 219,120
Does that include similar GM models?
> 7) Ford Tempo 213,352
Does that include the Mercury Topaz too?
> 8) Chevy Cavalier 212,675
Does that include the Buick/Oldsmobile/Pontiac too?
> 9) Toyota Corolla 206,560
Does that include the Geo Prizm? (similar, but not identical)
> 10) Pontiac Grand AM 198,596
Does that include other GM twins?
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James P. Cavanaugh III
good year in, say, the 50s, Chevy and Ford would sell over 1,000,000
versions of the same car, just different trim levels. These figures
show that Ford, for example, gets about 650,000 units of sales from 3
different cars. Several other models (Mustangs, Crown Vics, trucks and
vans) add more sales but only at the cost of more variety.
In the late 50s and early 60s, Plymouth and Dodge were in the
doldrums and were selling between 300,000 to 400,000 units per year
between either one or two platforms, depending on the year. Now, it
appears that a sales year for a given model of 400,000 units is just
wonderful. Chrysler could never get DeSoto over 75,000 - 100,000 units
with any consistency, and dropped the brand. How many 50-75000 unit
model runs are considered acceptable today?
Think of all the development costs and manufacturing costs
(including inventory costs) of each additional model being offered and
how that number has gone up drastically in the past 20 - 30 years.
Then think of how the number of units to amortize those costs keeps
going down. No wonder the American auto industry can't make any money.
Dave Bernard
> Think of all the development costs and manufacturing costs
>(including inventory costs) of each additional model being offered and
>how that number has gone up drastically in the past 20 - 30 years.
>Then think of how the number of units to amortize those costs keeps
>going down. No wonder the American auto industry can't make any money.
Excellent points, but I think these things are factored in by the industry
(at least, if it has any idea at all what is doing). Look at the price of
cars today compared to 20 years ago (when you could get what was then called
a compact car- around the size of today's Taurus- like a Ford Maverick for
under $1800 new, Spartan though it might be). You'd notice that the price of
cars has outstripped the rate of inflation. And although you might point to
things like EFI and emissions controls and ABS as adding incremental cost, you'd
also have to deduct things you no longer get, like chrome, wing windows, rear
windows that roll completely down, more metal and glass, etc.
In short, I think the industry model is to survive on smaller volume by jacking
up the per unit price. After all, people no longer trade their cars in every 2
or 3 years, the way the auto companies used to exhort them to in the 50s & 60s.
We can no longer afford to, since the per-unit cost as a ratio of income is a
lot higher than it used to be (anecdotal evidence, which I will not support via
strict research).
Dave
bi...@iron.tandem.com
|> In article <1at066...@gap.caltech.edu> hac...@cco.caltech.edu
|> (Jonathan Bruce Hacker) published a list of the best sellers. When
|> gathering these statistics, do they consider identical (and similar)
|> ``twins''
No they don't. The Mercury etc. models are listed on their own
further down the list. That is why lists like this are kind of a
crock, what's more interesting is total cars sold by a manufacturer,
or gain/loss of market share. For example Ford MC was up by about 15%
as I recall, and Honda sales are down (by some double-digit percent).
If they played the twins game on the list it would get too confusing
for example the NUMMI plant that makes the Toyota Corolla and GEO
Prism. If you lumped them together who gets to count it? Likewise
the Ford Explorer/Mazda Navajo, etc.
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Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)
sold cars in Japan...
I mean, if the American big three managed to have 10% market share in Japan,
that's only 30,000 cars. They should be worried about selling cars in the
U.S., the world's largest automobile market by far.
However, fewer and fewer cars are being sold in the rest of the world. Cars
don't make sense in many countries.
Norman Bucknor
>Note that Honda sold more Accords in U.S. than every automakers in the world
>sold cars in Japan...
>
>I mean, if the American big three managed to have 10% market share in Japan,
>that's only 30,000 cars. They should be worried about selling cars in the
I don't know where you get your info but the Japanese market is about half
the size of the U.S. market (more or less). That's about 6 MILLION cars and
trucks. Toyota,Nissan, Honda etc., wouldn't have gotten to
where they are today if the Japanese market were as small as you think it is.
That said, it is true that the domestics' primary focus should be (and is)
the U.S.
>U.S., the world's largest automobile market by far.
>
>However, fewer and fewer cars are being sold in the rest of the world. Cars
>don't make sense in many countries.
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>AI Lab, University of Ottawa \ CBC Stereo|Berg Sonata, b minor, op. 1
>H: +1 613 237 6642 W: 564 8155 \ 103.3 FM|Mussorgsky Pictures at an Exhibition
Norman Bucknor
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos
>I mean, if the American big three managed to have 10% market share in Japan,
>that's only 30,000 cars. They should be worried about selling cars in the
>U.S., the world's largest automobile market by far.
If your numbers are right and no commas or decimal points are missing,
if 10% of the Japanese car market is 30,000 cars, then 100% is 10 * 30,000
or 300,000 cars/year.
Can we find the error in the numbers above?
Spiros
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Steven A. Morris
>If your numbers are right and no commas or decimal points are missing,
>if 10% of the Japanese car market is 30,000 cars, then 100% is 10 * 30,000
>or 300,000 cars/year.
>
>Can we find the error in the numbers above?
YES.... I believe that the Japanese domestic car market is about 7
million units per year. TOYOTA sells several million in Japan each
year alone.
HONDA sells more cars in the US than in Japan, but this is not true
for NISSAN or TOYOTA.
AUDI exports more cars per year to Japan than to the US; this would
not be possible if the Japanese market was as small as stated above.