Explorer vs. Navajo ??
col...@riemann.gsfc.nasa.gov
Mazda Navajo. I am told that they are basically the same
vehicle. The Mazda dealer says the only difference is
the longer warranty given from Mazda. Does anyone know what
other differences might be? Does anyone have a feel for
the maintenance records of these cars?
Thanks,
Greg
col...@riemann.gsfc.nasa.gov
Jesse Rendleman
>I am considering purchasing either the Ford Explorer or
>Mazda Navajo. I am told that they are basically the same
>vehicle. The Mazda dealer says the only difference is
>the longer warranty given from Mazda. Does anyone know what
>other differences might be? Does anyone have a feel for
>the maintenance records of these cars?
I'm making the same descision and have found the following..
Equipment levels and figures are from Car-n-Driver's 1992 truck
buying guide, and the 1992 Pace buyer's guide:
Navajo DX 4wd (base model) Explorer XL, 2dr, 4wd (base model)
5sp manual 5sp manual
4.0l v6 155 hp. 4.0l v6 145 hp.
MSRP $17595 MSRP $17644
invoice $15132 invoice $15766
cloth seats vinyl(sp?) seats
Also, you mention the Mazda's longer warranty. As you can imagine,
since the base Navajo is cheaper, more powerful, better equipped and
better warranteed, it is my current choice. Can anyone make a strong
case for the Ford? There'll be a (very tiny) twinge of pain at not
supporting Mom an' apple pie and all that, if I buy the Mazda.
Rich Hill
>Mazda Navajo. I am told that they are basically the same
>vehicle. The Mazda dealer says the only difference is
>the longer warranty given from Mazda. Does anyone know what
>other differences might be? Does anyone have a feel for
>the maintenance records of these cars?
>
the Ford (OK, Explorer, they're both Fords) has the option of 2 or 4 while the
Navajo only comes in the 2 door model. Apart from that, there are the usual
small trim differences - the Explorer seems to have more chrome trim, etc.
but nothing major. Check out the prices and make a decision based on that (if
the 2 door model is what you want). Depending on who's making deals at the
time, the price could differ by a bunch for essentially the same car (doesn't
make much sense though, does it?)
Geoff Miller
In article <1992May21....@news.csd.sgi.com> je...@camelot.sgi.com
(Jesse Rendleman) writes:
>Equipment levels and figures are from Car-n-Driver's 1992 truck
>buying guide, and the 1992 Pace buyer's guide:
>Navajo DX 4wd (base model) Explorer XL, 2dr, 4wd (base model)
>5sp manual 5sp manual
>4.0l v6 155 hp. 4.0l v6 145 hp.
>MSRP $17595 MSRP $17644
>invoice $15132 invoice $15766
>cloth seats vinyl(sp?) seats
>Also, you mention the Mazda's longer warranty. As you can imagine,
>since the base Navajo is cheaper, more powerful, better equipped and
>better warranteed, it is my current choice.
Are you sure one of those horsepower figures wasn't a typo in the article
you read? Why would there be a 10-HP difference between two otherwise
identical vehicles?
<Can anyone make a strong case for the Ford? There'll be a (very tiny)
>twinge of pain at not supporting Mom an' apple pie and all that, if I
>buy the Mazda.
Hey, you'll get over it. I've owned four cars so far, *none* of them
American -- and I've never felt a bit of guilt about it! There are
more and more American cars all the time that I find intriguing enough
to investigate seriously, were I in the market for a new vehicle, but
the ones that come to mind most quickly are all furrin. As William
Jeanes wrote, "Real Americans buy what they want."
Geoff "Honda Uber Alles" Miller
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Brian Cherkauer
>In article <1992May21....@news.csd.sgi.com> je...@camelot.sgi.com
>(Jesse Rendleman) writes:
>>Equipment levels and figures are from Car-n-Driver's 1992 truck
>>buying guide, and the 1992 Pace buyer's guide:
>>Navajo DX 4wd (base model) Explorer XL, 2dr, 4wd (base model)
>>4.0l v6 155 hp. 4.0l v6 145 hp.
[...]
>Are you sure one of those horsepower figures wasn't a typo in the article
>you read? Why would there be a 10-HP difference between two otherwise
>identical vehicles?
Purely speculation, but perhaps the Explorer's hp is SAE net and the
Navajo's hp, since it is being sold by a Japanese company, is reported in
JIS net. With the JIS unit being smaller than the SAE unit, the same amount
of power comes out to a higher number in JIS. I've seen a lot of Japanese
cars marketed based on JIS units in the past. It gives them an edge in
comparisons where people don't check the units, which is probably the vast
majority of car buyers.
-Brian
cher...@ee.rochester.edu
tim...@public.btr.com
| Can anyone make a strong
|case for the Ford? There'll be a (very tiny) twinge of pain at not
|supporting Mom an' apple pie and all that, if I buy the Mazda.
Aren't they made in the same factory with not much more difference
than what sticker is put on them? That would mean the "buy
American or not" motivation becomes null when choosing between
these two trucks.
John Cooley
I have restricted distribution on this posting to North America; I'm not
sure it's relevent anywhere else.
Whether the Explorer and Navajo are American or "Furrin" is unclear. The
vehicles are a Ford design and are essentially identical. The earlier quoted
horsepower difference is, I believe, in error. Vendor literature from both
Ford and Mazda claim 155 hp for 4WD versions. They are made on the
same assembly line as a joint project of sorts, with Ford having the far
greater influence.
The Ford Probe and Mazda 626 are also made on the same line (as each other, not
the Explorer!), which, like the Explorer plant, is located in the U.S. The
current Ford Escort is similar to a Mazda 323 under the skin.
bou...@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Bob Bourman) writes:
>Need info on Izusu's answer to the Ford Explorer. I understand that
>both come off the SAME production line... They are actually the same
>vehicle.
Your answer (or part of it) is above. You are confused between Isuzu and
Mazda. The Mazda Navajo is essentially a two-door Ford Explorer. Get the
best deal from the dealer you like. The new Isuzu Trooper is very different
from the old Trooper, but it is not at all related to the Ford Explorer, except
that they are both "sport utility vehicles." The Trooper comes only as a
four-door; the Navajo comes only as a two-door; and the Explorer can be had
with either two or four doors.
Those of you looking at two-door two-wheel-drive sport utilities may wish to
consider that these vehicles don't really provide very much utility (access
to the back seat is poor, load limits may be small, cargo areas short, etc.)
and not much "sport" either, since they handle, for the most part, like
trucks, or like short, high cars with crude suspensions. Their short wheelbase
makes them twitchy under slippery conditions.
John Cooley
A REAL (TM) utility vehicle: 3/4 ton Suburban
I wish I had one, but mine's just a 1/2 ton - 7,300 lbs GVWR
Jesse Rendleman
>In article <6737> tim...@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:
>>je...@camelot.sgi.com (Jesse Rendleman) writes:
>>| Can anyone make a strong
>>|case for the Ford? There'll be a (very tiny) twinge of pain at not
>>|supporting Mom an' apple pie and all that, if I buy the Mazda.
>>
>>Aren't they made in the same factory with not much more difference
>>than what sticker is put on them? That would mean the "buy
>>American or not" motivation becomes null when choosing between
>>these two trucks.
Some (small?) percentage of the purchase price goes to Mazda (i.e. Japan)
in one case, and Ford in the other, no?
>Whether the Explorer and Navajo are American or "Furrin" is unclear. The
>vehicles are a Ford design and are essentially identical. The earlier quoted
>horsepower difference is, I believe, in error. Vendor literature from both
>Ford and Mazda claim 155 hp for 4WD versions. They are made on the
>same assembly line as a joint project of sorts, with Ford having the far
>greater influence.
I finally remembered to bring the magazine in, and on further reading,
I'm pretty sure the numbers aren't simple typos. Not that Car-n-Driver
is infallible, but the numbers are mentioned in both the text of the
articles, and in the charts of "vital statistics".
Specifically:
Mazda Navajo Ford Explorer
HP SAE net 155 w/5speed HP SAE net 145
w/automatic HP SAE net 160
perhaps the vendor literature you have is for '91 models?
...
>Those of you looking at two-door two-wheel-drive sport utilities may wish to
>consider that these vehicles don't really provide very much utility (access
>to the back seat is poor, load limits may be small, cargo areas short, etc.)
>and not much "sport" either, since they handle, for the most part, like
>trucks, or like short, high cars with crude suspensions. Their short wheelbase
>makes them twitchy under slippery conditions.
>
> John Cooley
> A REAL (TM) utility vehicle: 3/4 ton Suburban
> I wish I had one, but mine's just a 1/2 ton - 7,300 lbs GVWR
And those of you driving Suburbans may wish to consider:
Top 5 reasons to buy a small 2dr SUV instead of a Suburban..
5) gets better gas mileage than Boeing 747.
4) only takes up one parking spot at the Piggly Wiggly.
3) gun racks not manditory on small 2 dr SUVs.
2) small size prevents friends from asking you to help take their
trash to the dump.
1) children on their way to school don't try to board, while you're
stopped at traffic signals.
;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
Walter A. Koziarz
>Top five reasons to buy a Suburban instead of a small 2 dr SUV
[ many deleted ]
>1) No one tries to intimidate it in traffic. Especially if it looks like
> the owner makes a habit of driving over smaller vehicles.
*chuckle* *chuckle* the look on a Suburban-driver's face is *priceless* when
he realizes that my pickup is more awesome than his Suburban (yes, I do
intimidate them... as can Alan Hepburn and Mike S. -- one-ton Diesel is scarier
than Suburban...).
Walt K.
ps -- I am an equal-opportunity-intimidator... *nothing* steals my
'right-of-way'
> :-) :-) :-) :-)
>
> John Cooley
>(Yes, I like my clumsy, piggy, ugly old Suburban. But if I ever get another
>(which won't be for a while - I've only got 164,000 miles on this one ;-), a
>3/4 ton model with 8,600 lb GVWR and 6.5 liter turbo diesel might be
>interesting...)
John Cooley
>And those of you driving Suburbans may wish to consider:
>Top 5 reasons to buy a small 2dr SUV instead of a Suburban..
>5) gets better gas mileage than Boeing 747.
But not much (still less than 20 mpg, usually), and the smoking section is
too close to the non-smoking section. Plus they often don't even have
bathrooms. :-)
>4) only takes up one parking spot at the Piggly Wiggly.
Where does a 6,000 lb truck park? Wherever it wants to.
>3) gun racks not manditory on small 2 dr SUVs.
>mandatory<
But they're so handy for skis and fishing poles!
>2) small size prevents friends from asking you to help take their
> trash to the dump.
Well, um, actually (ahem!), I, uh, have been known to help neighbors with
their trash. In my trailer. The old 'Burban is beat up, but I don't really
want that stuff _inside_ with me. And since, in our mountain neighborhood,
trash pickup is nonexistant, we sometimes help each other out.
>1) children on their way to school don't try to board, while you're
> stopped at traffic signals.
Wait a minute! What's this STOP sign on the driver's side for? Why is my
truck slowly turning yellow? Where did this funny uniform shirt come from?
How come my wife won't drive this thing?
>;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
Top five reasons to buy a Suburban instead of a small 2 dr SUV
5) People past adolescence can get into the back seat.
4) Swallows skis and mountain bikes whole, away from rain and theft,
without even folding the back seat.
3) Prevents owner from abusing backcountry areas where motor vehicles
shouldn't be anyway, since it won't fit.
2) Takes 6 people skiing for a week, with 8 or 9 pairs of skis, 4 coolers,
and a dog. In one vehicle.
1) No one tries to intimidate it in traffic. Especially if it looks like
the owner makes a habit of driving over smaller vehicles.
:-) :-) :-) :-)
Bob Bourman
Thanks for all the replies.. I was corn-fused... It IS Mazda not Izusu...
The Hepburn
|> In article <1992May28.1...@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> johnc@yumaII (John Cooley) writes:
|>
|> >Top five reasons to buy a Suburban instead of a small 2 dr SUV
|>
|> [ many deleted ]
|>
|> >1) No one tries to intimidate it in traffic. Especially if it looks like
|> > the owner makes a habit of driving over smaller vehicles.
|>
|> *chuckle* *chuckle* the look on a Suburban-driver's face is *priceless* when
|> he realizes that my pickup is more awesome than his Suburban (yes, I do
|> intimidate them... as can Alan Hepburn and Mike S. -- one-ton Diesel is scarier
|> than Suburban...).
|>
|> Walt K.
|>
|> ps -- I am an equal-opportunity-intimidator... *nothing* steals my
|> 'right-of-way'
|>
Not to mention the look on their faces when they see me merging with my trailer:
that's 50 feet of steel, wood, and aluminum from bumper to bumper. Combined
weight of truck and trailer is 16000 lb and when I decide to merge, don't even
think of closing the gap!!!
--
Alan Hepburn "God grants liberty only to those who love it,
National Semiconductor and are always ready to guard and defend it."
Santa Clara, Ca
al...@berlioz.nsc.com Daniel Webster
Cy Shuster
wheelbase -- I don't remember which one. This might improve
the ride substantially.
--Cy--
kevin.l.stell
>
>>And those of you driving Suburbans may wish to consider:
>
>>Top 5 reasons to buy a small 2dr SUV instead of a Suburban..
>
>
>
>5) People past adolescence can get into the back seat.
>
>4) Swallows skis and mountain bikes whole, away from rain and theft,
> without even folding the back seat.
>
>3) Prevents owner from abusing backcountry areas where motor vehicles
> shouldn't be anyway, since it won't fit.
>
>2) Takes 6 people skiing for a week, with 8 or 9 pairs of skis, 4 coolers,
> and a dog. In one vehicle.
>
>1) No one tries to intimidate it in traffic. Especially if it looks like
> the owner makes a habit of driving over smaller vehicles.
>
> :-) :-) :-) :-)
>
> John Cooley
>(Yes, I like my clumsy, piggy, ugly old Suburban. But if I ever get another
>(which won't be for a while - I've only got 164,000 miles on this one ;-), a
>3/4 ton model with 8,600 lb GVWR and 6.5 liter turbo diesel might be
>interesting...)
Gee, I have an '88 Suburban that nothing but a headache for me and my
family.. I want to install a Jaccuzzi, my wife wants a kitchen ! :) :)
Seriously, I only have 53K on mine, but I have NO trouble going where I
want, when I want. Of course, 4X4 and Secret Service issue blue with
deep tinted windows, etc probably helps ! I had owned an 89 Cherokee, but
with 3 kids and enough freight, taking trips was a pain in the a**
BTW, anyone Know where I can get some little Honda and Toyota stickers? I
need to put some on the side of the beast (ak. fighter aircraft)..oops
I am so sorry, I didn't see there..(my favorite office mate joke..He drives
a CRX)
Later.....
Charles Parr
It's all attitude, people...They get out of the way of my brand
new sissy-teal Ranger as well. And they LIKE IT!!! If they know
what's good for them.
I ain't putting in any stupide smileys either, and You'll
LIKE IT!!!
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
bill haines
> In article <1992May27....@news.csd.sgi.com> je...@camelot.sgi.com (Jesse Rendleman) writes:
> >And those of you driving Suburbans may wish to consider:
> >Top 5 reasons to buy a small 2dr SUV instead of a Suburban..
> >5) gets better gas mileage than Boeing 747.
In our family we have both a Suburban and a Explorer and they
get the same mileage ( the suburban is a diesel ) both in the
high teen- low 20's (24)
> But not much (still less than 20 mpg, usually), and the smoking section is
> too close to the non-smoking section. Plus they often don't even have
> bathrooms. :-)
> >4) only takes up one parking spot at the Piggly Wiggly.
If you can't park something larger than a Civic don't drive
> >2) small size prevents friends from asking you to help take their
> > trash to the dump.
This maybe true but what if you want to move something bigger than
trash can. Why drive something with terrible mileage which most
all SUV's have if you can't carry anything worthwhile. This is
unless you need to go backcountry or need to get out in every`
kind of weather. If you get a diesel Surburban you can carry
ton's, tow even more, have big family outings or ski trips
with all gear inside.
Bill