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Why one needs a dVD drive in his laptop after all, haha.
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micky
Jan 24, 2024, 12:19:45 PMJan 24
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People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs had
given them a telescope. They live on the 17th floor of an 18 story
building, on a corner apt with a balcony.
And they are complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in
the box was a DVD. Their computers would not play it but mine could. So
there.
It turns out, the telescope is still for sale new, a couple hundred
dollars iirc, but the file dates on all the DVD files was from 2008.
It included weblinks to the manufacturer, for warranty registration etc.
and none of the links still worked, It also included the user manual in
PDF, which is good because one of their new dogs** ate up part of the
paper manual. I sent the pdf to each of their email accounts, though
afaict neither reads his or her email. But if they complain later, I'll
send another copy. LOL
**The dogs are maltepoos. Combination of a poodle with a malted milk.
DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs had
given them a telescope. They live on the 17th floor of an 18 story
building, on a corner apt with a balcony.
And they are complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in
the box was a DVD. Their computers would not play it but mine could. So
there.
It turns out, the telescope is still for sale new, a couple hundred
dollars iirc, but the file dates on all the DVD files was from 2008.
It included weblinks to the manufacturer, for warranty registration etc.
and none of the links still worked, It also included the user manual in
PDF, which is good because one of their new dogs** ate up part of the
paper manual. I sent the pdf to each of their email accounts, though
afaict neither reads his or her email. But if they complain later, I'll
send another copy. LOL
**The dogs are maltepoos. Combination of a poodle with a malted milk.
Andy Burns
Jan 24, 2024, 12:23:33 PMJan 24
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micky wrote:
> good friends of theirs had given them a telescope. And they are
manufacturer's website?
> good friends of theirs had given them a telescope. And they are
> complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in the box
> was a DVD.
Is the software not available to download from the telescope
> was a DVD.
manufacturer's website?
Big Al
Jan 24, 2024, 12:28:55 PMJan 24
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above people you visited.
You could even make an ISO from it and give them the ISO they could
mount and run without a DVD.
--
Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon
Al
Scott Lurndal
Jan 24, 2024, 12:32:23 PMJan 24
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micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> writes:
>People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
>DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
You can get a brand new USB external CD/DVD drive for less
>People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
>DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
than $20 on amazon. And you don't need to discard it
when upgrading to a new computer.
Clearly someone is still using them.
Ed Cryer
Jan 24, 2024, 2:02:26 PMJan 24
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"You don't technically need a bootable optical disc to install operating
systems, access live CDs, or use bootable rescue tools. You can use a
bootable flash drive, or any USB storage device to format it as a
bootable volume. However, it's more complicated than creating a bootable
disc".
Ed
knuttle
Jan 24, 2024, 2:07:05 PMJan 24
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of storage in the current computers. On my 1TB drive I have right at
4GB of data. During the installation updates, the disk uses over a half
a terabyte to install the update.
Yes with a current computer I could buy a large external drive, but
would I have the external drive when I need access to it?
knuttle
Jan 24, 2024, 2:09:22 PMJan 24
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dark place to use the telescope there may be no internet available.
jason_...@ieee.org
Jan 24, 2024, 2:22:33 PMJan 24
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In article <CQbsN.253592$Wp_8....@fx17.iad>, sc...@slp53.sl.home
says...
The inexpensive drives work well. I have one.
Still use them?!? I have *hundreds* of disks
accumulated over dacades and not all of them
are obsolete - photos, music files, etc etc.
says...
Still use them?!? I have *hundreds* of disks
accumulated over dacades and not all of them
are obsolete - photos, music files, etc etc.
Paul
Jan 24, 2024, 2:27:26 PMJan 24
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On 1/24/2024 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
> DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Since it's a different time line, I bought up all the media,
> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
> DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
and I have the last two remaining blanks. They're going for
$1000 each. I either sell them to you, or the Smithsonian.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/MK3vTJBz/last-two-pieces-media.jpg
The computer store I got those at, used to have three cubic meters
of media on display at one time. Today, they have three cake
boxes under the counter, and if you buy a box, that's
"a third of the store stock". Your choices are "Verbatim"
or "Verbatim". Or perhaps "Verbatim".
And the Dynex jewel boxes, are now "Verbatim" brand. Small world.
I was lucky to get jewel boxes.
The staff even had trouble finding those in the store. Normally,
their computer has a grid ref inside the store, for where the
items are located. But not for that stuff. It was actually underneath
the cash register location. I guess they didn't have a place to
put it. One clerk seemed to think it was hidden in the back somewhere
("in the cage"), but eventually one of the other store staff figured
it out.
https://www.moriareviews.com/rongulator/wp-content/uploads/Time-Machine-1960-11.jpg
Paul
Paul
Jan 24, 2024, 2:44:08 PMJan 24
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On 1/24/2024 2:07 PM, knuttle wrote:
> That is what my daughters keep telling me when I complain about the lack of storage in the current computers. On my 1TB drive I have right at 4GB of data. During the installation updates, the disk uses over a half a terabyte to install the update.
>
> Yes with a current computer I could buy a large external drive, but would I have the external drive when I need access to it?
The drive would be sitting on the table in its enclosure,
> That is what my daughters keep telling me when I complain about the lack of storage in the current computers. On my 1TB drive I have right at 4GB of data. During the installation updates, the disk uses over a half a terabyte to install the update.
>
> Yes with a current computer I could buy a large external drive, but would I have the external drive when I need access to it?
unplugged and waiting for you to plug it in. what
could be easier ?
No, it doesn't have to sit on edge like this. Flat is safer.
This one is missing rubber non-skid feet. This one has a fan.
https://www.newegg.com/vantec-nst-387s3-bk-enclosure/p/N82E16817392118
You said you needed storage. You can put one of these in it :-)
Apparently the industry thinks they're going to get rich off
impulse-buy of these. That's a Helium drive. Don't forget, you
can't connect 3.3V to one of those. Use a four wire power cable,
not a five wire power cable. No damage will result either way,
but with a five wire power cable, it won't spin. One of the 3.3V
pins is double-purpose, as Spin Control.
https://www.newegg.com/gold-wd221kryz-22tb/p/N82E16822234525
*******
The Windows LCU (Last Cumulative Update) folder typically has 100,000 files in it,
and that's a side effect of Patch Tuesday. The OS might only
have 300,000 files in it, by comparison. It does make the mind boggle.
What activity like that does, is it bloats out the $MFT (Master File Table).
Some of the files fit inside the $MFT and don't need clusters for storage.
The OS is nothing more than a very large scratch pad, filled with junk.
How many copies of MSEdge or MSEdgeUpdater does one poor bastard need ??? :-)
I would like to hear the Twink who designed that, to explain to us
what each and every copy of that is for.
Paul
Big Al
Jan 24, 2024, 2:45:30 PMJan 24
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printable DVDs, some printable CSs, and some plain CDs.
And don't get me on jewel cases. I have 10 of the small mini cases.
And about 100 paper sleeves.
Yes, they grow dust, but I just hate to toss them. They're under the
bed. I use one about once a year.
knuttle
Jan 24, 2024, 3:35:44 PMJan 24
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On 01/24/2024 2:44 PM, Paul wrote:
> On 1/24/2024 2:07 PM, knuttle wrote:
>
>> That is what my daughters keep telling me when I complain about the lack of storage in the current computers. On my 1TB drive I have right at 4GB of data. During the installation updates, the disk uses over a half a terabyte to install the update.
>>
>> Yes with a current computer I could buy a large external drive, but would I have the external drive when I need access to it?
>
> The drive would be sitting on the table in its enclosure,
> unplugged and waiting for you to plug it in. what
> could be easier ?
That assumes that you are sitting in your recliner in front of the TV or
> On 1/24/2024 2:07 PM, knuttle wrote:
>
>> That is what my daughters keep telling me when I complain about the lack of storage in the current computers. On my 1TB drive I have right at 4GB of data. During the installation updates, the disk uses over a half a terabyte to install the update.
>>
>> Yes with a current computer I could buy a large external drive, but would I have the external drive when I need access to it?
>
> The drive would be sitting on the table in its enclosure,
> unplugged and waiting for you to plug it in. what
> could be easier ?
equivalent. I have a Portable Laptop that goes places with me, many
times on the spur of the moment. ie I have to go over to the next
building, or to the church and need the hard drive that is sitting
beside my recliner.
Paul
Jan 24, 2024, 4:42:54 PMJan 24
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That is for laptop storage solutions, whether NVMe
or SATA.
On laptops with a DVD drive, sometimes there is
a kit available, to take out the DVD drive and
replace it with an SSD. And this gives two drives
of storage.
There are workstation laptops, with four or more
storage devices inside. I have a local computer
store that sells "battleship" laptops the size of
airline luggage, with lots of bays for SATA and NVMe
SSD. And of course those machines have battleship pricing.
The market is defined by what can people afford,
versus what can technology build for us. Flash is
too expensive to really go nuts with the stuff.
The new Mushkin entry here, at 16TB, looks very
tasty -- but the price is not tasty. The 3.5" HDD
below the flash items, was thrown in for fun.
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100011693%20601414343 30TB $4100
https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-16tb-source-hc/p/N82E16820226965 16TB TLC $2500
https://www.newegg.com/samsung-8tb-870-qvo-series/p/N82E16820147784 8TB QLC $ 580
https://www.newegg.com/gold-wd221kryz-22tb/p/N82E16822234525 22TB HDD $ 580
The machines in the room, have 4TB SSDs. They were a bit
cheaper when I got them last year.
Paul
Char Jackson
Jan 24, 2024, 5:41:57 PMJan 24
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:27:20 -0500, Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:
>On 1/24/2024 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
>> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
>> DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
>
>Since it's a different time line, I bought up all the media,
>and I have the last two remaining blanks. They're going for
>$1000 each. I either sell them to you, or the Smithsonian.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/MK3vTJBz/last-two-pieces-media.jpg
>
>The computer store I got those at, used to have three cubic meters
>of media on display at one time. Today, they have three cake
>boxes under the counter, and if you buy a box, that's
>"a third of the store stock". Your choices are "Verbatim"
>or "Verbatim". Or perhaps "Verbatim".
I kind of like these stories of going to a computer store because they're
>On 1/24/2024 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
>> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
>> DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
>
>Since it's a different time line, I bought up all the media,
>and I have the last two remaining blanks. They're going for
>$1000 each. I either sell them to you, or the Smithsonian.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/MK3vTJBz/last-two-pieces-media.jpg
>
>The computer store I got those at, used to have three cubic meters
>of media on display at one time. Today, they have three cake
>boxes under the counter, and if you buy a box, that's
>"a third of the store stock". Your choices are "Verbatim"
>or "Verbatim". Or perhaps "Verbatim".
reminiscent of a bygone era when there were computer stores that you could
actually go to. When did they generally disappear, in the mid to late 1990s?
They'd have a couple of mid-tower cases, 3-4 motherboards of unknown origin, a
half dozen CPUs, some RAM, 1-2 power supplies, a couple of hard drives, two
video cards, one for $35 and one for a whopping $65, and so on. I enjoyed those
visits, when you could pick up an item, hold it in your hands, and read the
specs and other fluff that was printed on the box. Now it's all Newegg and
Amazon.
Char Jackson
Jan 24, 2024, 5:56:05 PMJan 24
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:44:02 -0500, Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:
>On 1/24/2024 2:07 PM, knuttle wrote:
>
>> That is what my daughters keep telling me when I complain about the lack of storage in the current computers. On my 1TB drive I have right at 4GB of data. During the installation updates, the disk uses over a half a terabyte to install the update.
>>
>> Yes with a current computer I could buy a large external drive, but would I have the external drive when I need access to it?
>
>The drive would be sitting on the table in its enclosure,
>unplugged and waiting for you to plug it in. what
>could be easier ?
>
>No, it doesn't have to sit on edge like this. Flat is safer.
>This one is missing rubber non-skid feet. This one has a fan.
>
> https://www.newegg.com/vantec-nst-387s3-bk-enclosure/p/N82E16817392118
>
>You said you needed storage. You can put one of these in it :-)
>Apparently the industry thinks they're going to get rich off
>impulse-buy of these. That's a Helium drive. Don't forget, you
>can't connect 3.3V to one of those. Use a four wire power cable,
>not a five wire power cable. No damage will result either way,
>but with a five wire power cable, it won't spin. One of the 3.3V
>pins is double-purpose, as Spin Control.
>
> https://www.newegg.com/gold-wd221kryz-22tb/p/N82E16822234525
That one is a bit expensive. Over the Christmas break, I picked up a pair of WD
>On 1/24/2024 2:07 PM, knuttle wrote:
>
>> That is what my daughters keep telling me when I complain about the lack of storage in the current computers. On my 1TB drive I have right at 4GB of data. During the installation updates, the disk uses over a half a terabyte to install the update.
>>
>> Yes with a current computer I could buy a large external drive, but would I have the external drive when I need access to it?
>
>The drive would be sitting on the table in its enclosure,
>unplugged and waiting for you to plug it in. what
>could be easier ?
>
>No, it doesn't have to sit on edge like this. Flat is safer.
>This one is missing rubber non-skid feet. This one has a fan.
>
> https://www.newegg.com/vantec-nst-387s3-bk-enclosure/p/N82E16817392118
>
>You said you needed storage. You can put one of these in it :-)
>Apparently the industry thinks they're going to get rich off
>impulse-buy of these. That's a Helium drive. Don't forget, you
>can't connect 3.3V to one of those. Use a four wire power cable,
>not a five wire power cable. No damage will result either way,
>but with a five wire power cable, it won't spin. One of the 3.3V
>pins is double-purpose, as Spin Control.
>
> https://www.newegg.com/gold-wd221kryz-22tb/p/N82E16822234525
Elements external drives, 18TB, for $225 apiece with free shipping. I haven't
shucked them yet, but I will. I avoid using external drives. Too much risk
involved.
Jim Joyce
Jan 24, 2024, 5:58:36 PMJan 24
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decade or more can accept a second (or even third) internal drive, sometimes at
the expense of giving up the (mostly obsolete) optical drive.
Jim Joyce
Jan 24, 2024, 6:00:49 PMJan 24
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wait until the middle of the night when you're in a place without Internet
access.
knuttle
Jan 24, 2024, 7:23:00 PMJan 24
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drive. The church one does not need 1TB, and the laptops with limited
memory could do the job if they can handle the update overhead. On my
personal computer with a 1TB drive has GB's of pictures, which gets
cataloged while waiting at the doctors, and similar places where you
have to wait before your appointment.
VanguardLH
Jan 24, 2024, 7:26:20 PMJan 24
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micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
<trimmed to retain the pertinent content>
> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with
> a DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
>
> Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs
> had given them a telescope. ... And guess what, included in the box
> was a DVD.
My up-vote on suggestions by others: get a USB-attached DVD drive, or
even a USB-attached CD/DVD/BD drive. No need for a built-in one. If
the attached one breaks, get another USB one. If you break the one in
the desktop, you'll have to open the case to replace it. Even harder in
a laptop to replace it.
You can even get USB-attached:
- 3.5" diskette drive. I've never bothered to hunt around for a
USB-attached 5.25" floppy drive.
- USB-attached Iomege ZIP drive if you still have Zip disks around (but
you might need to install drivers).
- USB-attached card reader.
There's probably other USB-attached storage that I didn't think of.
<trimmed to retain the pertinent content>
> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with
> a DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
>
> Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs
> was a DVD.
My up-vote on suggestions by others: get a USB-attached DVD drive, or
even a USB-attached CD/DVD/BD drive. No need for a built-in one. If
the attached one breaks, get another USB one. If you break the one in
the desktop, you'll have to open the case to replace it. Even harder in
a laptop to replace it.
You can even get USB-attached:
- 3.5" diskette drive. I've never bothered to hunt around for a
USB-attached 5.25" floppy drive.
- USB-attached Iomege ZIP drive if you still have Zip disks around (but
you might need to install drivers).
- USB-attached card reader.
There's probably other USB-attached storage that I didn't think of.
rbowman
Jan 24, 2024, 9:43:35 PMJan 24
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accompanying Earl Scrugg's banjo book. I've got other music books that
included CDs. They're still old school although some have went to
downloadable files.
micky
Jan 24, 2024, 9:48:52 PMJan 24
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In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 17:00:45 -0600, Jim Joyce
There is no software for this telescope, only a PDF owner's manual and
some links that no longer work. Even the one with the motor drive to
follow the subject while the earth rotates I'm 95% sure uses no
software. Just admit that it's good to have a DVD drive when the
company provides you with a DVD.
some links that no longer work. Even the one with the motor drive to
follow the subject while the earth rotates I'm 95% sure uses no
software. Just admit that it's good to have a DVD drive when the
company provides you with a DVD.
rbowman
Jan 24, 2024, 9:49:26 PMJan 24
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 19:01:58 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:
> "You don't technically need a bootable optical disc to install operating
> systems, access live CDs, or use bootable rescue tools. You can use a
> bootable flash drive, or any USB storage device to format it as a
> bootable volume. However, it's more complicated than creating a bootable
> disc".
https://rufus.ie/en/
> "You don't technically need a bootable optical disc to install operating
> systems, access live CDs, or use bootable rescue tools. You can use a
> bootable flash drive, or any USB storage device to format it as a
> bootable volume. However, it's more complicated than creating a bootable
> disc".
Not very complicated, even on Windows.
I haven't used it but UNetbootin may be even easier and it's cross
platform
https://unetbootin.github.io/
micky
Jan 24, 2024, 9:51:22 PMJan 24
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In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 12:28:52 -0500, Big Al
And with either method, how would you read the DVD to make the USB drive
or the ISO? Just blow on it and wish it?
or the ISO? Just blow on it and wish it?
micky
Jan 24, 2024, 9:53:25 PMJan 24
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In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 17:32:18 GMT,
Exactly.
Actually one of those was included when I bought a laptop a few years
ago second hand. It was buried by stuff in the kitchen, and I hired a
maid who buried it further, but I'm still happy that I have one,
somewhere.
Actually one of those was included when I bought a laptop a few years
ago second hand. It was buried by stuff in the kitchen, and I hired a
maid who buried it further, but I'm still happy that I have one,
somewhere.
rbowman
Jan 24, 2024, 9:54:57 PMJan 24
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 18:26:16 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
> You can even get USB-attached:
> - 3.5" diskette drive. I've never bothered to hunt around for a
> USB-attached 5.25" floppy drive.
> - USB-attached Iomege ZIP drive if you still have Zip disks around (but
> you might need to install drivers).
> - USB-attached card reader.
>
> There's probably other USB-attached storage that I didn't think of.
I've got a USB attached tape cassette. It works for moving music off old
> You can even get USB-attached:
> - 3.5" diskette drive. I've never bothered to hunt around for a
> USB-attached 5.25" floppy drive.
> - USB-attached Iomege ZIP drive if you still have Zip disks around (but
> you might need to install drivers).
> - USB-attached card reader.
>
> There's probably other USB-attached storage that I didn't think of.
tapes but it's a painful process. The copying is in real time. The
software is reasonably good at breaking out songs into separate files but
you have to label them yourself.
There are also USB turntables for the vinyl purists although i think that
defeats the whole analog is better than digital thing.
Paul
Jan 24, 2024, 10:26:38 PMJan 24
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How can you have a DVD drive and not have Imgburn :-)
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/FRQWxQ5S/imgburn.gif
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/imgburn.html
On Linux, K3B would be similar to Imgburn.
The Windows native IMAP2 support for burning discs,
is lacking, because there is no "erase" for re-writeable
media. In Imgburn, you can use the upper left icon,
then go to the menu bar, and somewhere down in the menu
there is a quick erase or full erase for re-writeable
media. Since the menus may be context-sensitive (they
depend on which of the six icons you are using), then
you have to select the correct one of the six icons,
before certain functions populate in the menu.
When you are reading a disc to make an ISO (second down on
the left), then you would not be expecting to find an
erase item in the Menu at that time. That would be a
clash of features -- a user "planning" to read a disc,
then attempting to erase the disc. So some of the
context-sensitive behavior is for safety reasons.
Paul
Paul
Jan 24, 2024, 10:31:38 PMJan 24
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a USB flash drive instead. I still have rewriteable
discs, and can erase old install media and reuse
the disc.
I don't generally put personal files on optical media.
I don't do drag and drop burns either.
Paul
micky
Jan 24, 2024, 10:39:37 PMJan 24
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In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 16:41:52 -0600, Char Jackson
yeears or more in Baltimore we've had MicroCenter, not too far from me.
Gets 4.5 stars on 3000 reviews and if I'd reviewed it I'd give it 5
starts too.
They have a lottttt of stuff, and a couple things I've bought were on
sale and 60 or 80% off, my good fortune.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Micro+Center/@39.3964107,-76.5503719,15.83z/data=!4m15!1m8!3m7!1s0x89c80f44e03ffdf3:0xaaa66414a5a733f0!2sPerring+Pkwy,+Maryland!3b1!8m2!3d39.374293!4d-76.562038!16s%2Fg%2F1hl3hmbcx!3m5!1s0x89c808d454389181:0xebccbcc854b01057!8m2!3d39.3970154!4d-76.5455186!16s%2Fg%2F12604sg84?hl=en&entry=ttu
https://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/parkville.aspx?storeid=125
>They'd have a couple of mid-tower cases, 3-4 motherboards of unknown origin, a
>half dozen CPUs, some RAM, 1-2 power supplies, a couple of hard drives, two
>video cards, one for $35 and one for a whopping $65, and so on. I enjoyed those
This store has a dozen or more cases and loads of the other stuff you
list, and I'm not the one keeping them in business. I hope they stay,
esp. since hamfests are fading away, due to the web. Sure used was
cheaper, but that was not the deciding factor once online sales came
out. Having to wait until the next hamfest was an issue, but the store
is open 7 days a week.
I hope I didn't make you too jealous.
<no...@none.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:27:20 -0500, Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 1/24/2024 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
>>> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
>>> DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
>>
>>Since it's a different time line, I bought up all the media,
>>and I have the last two remaining blanks. They're going for
>>$1000 each. I either sell them to you, or the Smithsonian.
>>
>> [Picture]
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/MK3vTJBz/last-two-pieces-media.jpg
>>
>>The computer store I got those at, used to have three cubic meters
>>of media on display at one time. Today, they have three cake
>>boxes under the counter, and if you buy a box, that's
>>"a third of the store stock". Your choices are "Verbatim"
>>or "Verbatim". Or perhaps "Verbatim".
>
>I kind of like these stories of going to a computer store because they're
>reminiscent of a bygone era when there were computer stores that you could
>actually go to. When did they generally disappear, in the mid to late 1990s?
We lost a couple big such store, maybe when you say, but for 10 or 15
>On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:27:20 -0500, Paul <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 1/24/2024 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
>>> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
>>> DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
>>
>>Since it's a different time line, I bought up all the media,
>>and I have the last two remaining blanks. They're going for
>>$1000 each. I either sell them to you, or the Smithsonian.
>>
>> [Picture]
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/MK3vTJBz/last-two-pieces-media.jpg
>>
>>The computer store I got those at, used to have three cubic meters
>>of media on display at one time. Today, they have three cake
>>boxes under the counter, and if you buy a box, that's
>>"a third of the store stock". Your choices are "Verbatim"
>>or "Verbatim". Or perhaps "Verbatim".
>
>I kind of like these stories of going to a computer store because they're
>reminiscent of a bygone era when there were computer stores that you could
>actually go to. When did they generally disappear, in the mid to late 1990s?
yeears or more in Baltimore we've had MicroCenter, not too far from me.
Gets 4.5 stars on 3000 reviews and if I'd reviewed it I'd give it 5
starts too.
They have a lottttt of stuff, and a couple things I've bought were on
sale and 60 or 80% off, my good fortune.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Micro+Center/@39.3964107,-76.5503719,15.83z/data=!4m15!1m8!3m7!1s0x89c80f44e03ffdf3:0xaaa66414a5a733f0!2sPerring+Pkwy,+Maryland!3b1!8m2!3d39.374293!4d-76.562038!16s%2Fg%2F1hl3hmbcx!3m5!1s0x89c808d454389181:0xebccbcc854b01057!8m2!3d39.3970154!4d-76.5455186!16s%2Fg%2F12604sg84?hl=en&entry=ttu
https://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/parkville.aspx?storeid=125
>They'd have a couple of mid-tower cases, 3-4 motherboards of unknown origin, a
>half dozen CPUs, some RAM, 1-2 power supplies, a couple of hard drives, two
>video cards, one for $35 and one for a whopping $65, and so on. I enjoyed those
list, and I'm not the one keeping them in business. I hope they stay,
esp. since hamfests are fading away, due to the web. Sure used was
cheaper, but that was not the deciding factor once online sales came
out. Having to wait until the next hamfest was an issue, but the store
is open 7 days a week.
I hope I didn't make you too jealous.
micky
Jan 24, 2024, 10:44:11 PMJan 24
to
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 18:26:16 -0600, VanguardLH
Florida.
I feel good when I know I'm packin'.
>the attached one breaks, get another USB one. If you break the one in
>the desktop, you'll have to open the case to replace it.
I can do that. I already have a spare one. You have to transfer the
outside cover from the old one to the new one.
> Even harder in
>a laptop to replace it.
I practially had the DVD drive out when I changed the bad hdd for an SDD
and added some RAM
<V...@nguard.LH> wrote:
>micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
><trimmed to retain the pertinent content>
>
>> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with
>> a DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
>>
>> Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs
>> had given them a telescope. ... And guess what, included in the box
>> was a DVD.
>
>My up-vote on suggestions by others: get a USB-attached DVD drive, or
>even a USB-attached CD/DVD/BD drive. No need for a built-in one. If
Good for home, but I wouldn't have had it with me at my brother's, in
>micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
><trimmed to retain the pertinent content>
>
>> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with
>> a DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
>>
>> Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs
>> had given them a telescope. ... And guess what, included in the box
>> was a DVD.
>
>My up-vote on suggestions by others: get a USB-attached DVD drive, or
>even a USB-attached CD/DVD/BD drive. No need for a built-in one. If
Florida.
I feel good when I know I'm packin'.
>the attached one breaks, get another USB one. If you break the one in
>the desktop, you'll have to open the case to replace it.
outside cover from the old one to the new one.
> Even harder in
>a laptop to replace it.
and added some RAM
micky
Jan 24, 2024, 11:45:58 PMJan 24
to
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:26:32 -0500, Paul
good is Imgburn without a dvd drive?
<nos...@needed.invalid> wrote:
>On 1/24/2024 8:51 PM, micky wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 12:28:52 -0500, Big Al
>> <al...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/24/24 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
>>>> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
>>>> DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs had
>>>> given them a telescope. They live on the 17th floor of an 18 story
>>>> building, on a corner apt with a balcony.
>>>>
>>>> And they are complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in
>>>> the box was a DVD. Their computers would not play it but mine could. So
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> It turns out, the telescope is still for sale new, a couple hundred
>>>> dollars iirc, but the file dates on all the DVD files was from 2008.
>>>>
>>>> It included weblinks to the manufacturer, for warranty registration etc.
>>>> and none of the links still worked, It also included the user manual in
>>>> PDF, which is good because one of their new dogs** ate up part of the
>>>> paper manual. I sent the pdf to each of their email accounts, though
>>>> afaict neither reads his or her email. But if they complain later, I'll
>>>> send another copy. LOL
>>>>
>>>> **The dogs are maltepoos. Combination of a poodle with a malted milk.
>>> And a usb plug in drive would also work on all systems including the
=========================================================
>On 1/24/2024 8:51 PM, micky wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 12:28:52 -0500, Big Al
>> <al...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/24/24 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
>>>> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
>>>> DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I was visiting my brother and sil, and good friends of theirs had
>>>> given them a telescope. They live on the 17th floor of an 18 story
>>>> building, on a corner apt with a balcony.
>>>>
>>>> And they are complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in
>>>> the box was a DVD. Their computers would not play it but mine could. So
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> It turns out, the telescope is still for sale new, a couple hundred
>>>> dollars iirc, but the file dates on all the DVD files was from 2008.
>>>>
>>>> It included weblinks to the manufacturer, for warranty registration etc.
>>>> and none of the links still worked, It also included the user manual in
>>>> PDF, which is good because one of their new dogs** ate up part of the
>>>> paper manual. I sent the pdf to each of their email accounts, though
>>>> afaict neither reads his or her email. But if they complain later, I'll
>>>> send another copy. LOL
>>>>
>>>> **The dogs are maltepoos. Combination of a poodle with a malted milk.
>>> And a usb plug in drive would also work on all systems including the
>>> above people you visited.
>>> You could even make an ISO from it and give them the ISO they could
>>> mount and run without a DVD.
>>
>> And with either method, how would you read the DVD to make the USB drive
>> or the ISO? Just blow on it and wish it?
>>
>
>Imgburn.
>
>How can you have a DVD drive and not have Imgburn :-)
Big All is trying to provide an alternative to having a DVD drive. What
>>> You could even make an ISO from it and give them the ISO they could
>>> mount and run without a DVD.
>>
>> And with either method, how would you read the DVD to make the USB drive
>> or the ISO? Just blow on it and wish it?
>>
>
>Imgburn.
>
>How can you have a DVD drive and not have Imgburn :-)
good is Imgburn without a dvd drive?
Peeler
Jan 25, 2024, 4:30:11 AMJan 25
to
On 25 Jan 2024 02:43:31 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> I have one.
What DO you really have other than a big mouth?
--
Another one of the resident senile bigmouth's idiotic "cool" lines:
"If you're an ax murderer don't leave souvenir photos on your phone."
"MID: <k7ssc7...@mid.individual.net>"
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> I have one.
What DO you really have other than a big mouth?
--
Another one of the resident senile bigmouth's idiotic "cool" lines:
"If you're an ax murderer don't leave souvenir photos on your phone."
"MID: <k7ssc7...@mid.individual.net>"
Peeler
Jan 25, 2024, 4:36:16 AMJan 25
to
On 25 Jan 2024 02:54:52 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
--
Yet another thrilling story from the resident senile gossip's thrilling
life:
"Around here you have to be careful to lock your car toward the end of
summer or somebody will leave a grocery sack full of zucchini in it."
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> I've got a USB attached tape cassette. It works for moving music off old
> tapes but it's a painful process.
HOW painful is it, drama queen?
> tapes but it's a painful process.
--
Yet another thrilling story from the resident senile gossip's thrilling
life:
"Around here you have to be careful to lock your car toward the end of
summer or somebody will leave a grocery sack full of zucchini in it."
VanguardLH
Jan 25, 2024, 10:59:36 AMJan 25
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micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
> VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH> wrote:
>
>> micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with
>>> a DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
>>
> VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH> wrote:
>
>> micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with
>>> a DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
>>
>> My up-vote on suggestions by others: get a USB-attached DVD drive, or
>> even a USB-attached CD/DVD/BD drive. No need for a built-in one.
>
>> even a USB-attached CD/DVD/BD drive. No need for a built-in one.
>
> Good for home, but I wouldn't have had it with me at my brother's, in
> Florida.
>
> I feel good when I know I'm packin'.
That's what carry bags are for: to pack more than the laptop. You
> Florida.
>
> I feel good when I know I'm packin'.
travel without the A/C adapter to charge your laptop? I also pack a BT
mouse and keyboard. And even some pens and paper. And sometimes even a
USB-attached HDD, SSD, or flash stick for more storage of data, and off
the drive with the partition for the OS and apps. And a powered USB hub
since the laptop has a dearth of USB ports. I don't recall seeing
anyone board an airplane with a nude laptop. They're always in a tote.
But, in your case, you already had a built-in optical drive. However,
the arguments were not against that, but that a built-in one is not a
necessity as you claim. All those folks that laughed at you simply
chose a different setup: a non-built-in optical drive via USB.
>> If the attached one breaks, get another USB one. If you break the
>> one in the desktop, you'll have to open the case to replace it.
>
> I can do that. I already have a spare one. You have to transfer the
> outside cover from the old one to the new one.
The comparison you split was about the difficulty of replacing an
>
> I can do that. I already have a spare one. You have to transfer the
> outside cover from the old one to the new one.
optical drive if it breaks versus one inside a desktop.
You're transferring a cover from old to new WHAT? Between laptops?
Disassembling a laptop is a hell of lot more work than of a desktop.
And moving a USB-attached optical drive is even far more easy than
opening laptops to swap optical drives. I have an optical drive in my
laptop. Much easier to plug in a USB one should the internal one break.
Or does "cover" mean the faceplate on the desktop tower? Again, the
comparison was showing the greater difficulty of replacing a broken
optical drive in a laptop versus in a desktop. For my next laptop, I
would NOT get an internal optical drive. I'd stow a USB-attached one in
the laptop's tote bag. I wouldn't limit my candidates for purchase to
only those with internal optical drives. If the price were the same
between with and without optical drive, yeah, I'd get internal.
>> Even harder in a laptop to replace it.
>
> I practially had the DVD drive out when I changed the bad hdd for an
> SDD and added some RAM
something ELSE, so you decided to do more. Changing the optical drive
was coincidental, not intentional.
You didn't buy the laptop with an optical drive already installed? Or
are you still focused on what you did with your desktop when the issue
is about optical drives in a laptop?
Paul
Jan 25, 2024, 6:23:14 PMJan 25
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On 1/24/2024 10:45 PM, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:26:32 -0500, Paul
>>
> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:26:32 -0500, Paul
>>
>> How can you have a DVD drive and not have Imgburn :-)
>
> Big All is trying to provide an alternative to having a DVD drive. What
> good is Imgburn without a dvd drive?
For content which does not exist as an Internet ISO9660 file,
>
> Big All is trying to provide an alternative to having a DVD drive. What
> good is Imgburn without a dvd drive?
you can convert physical media to ISO format, for distribution
to others.
As for "why don't you use USB flash like the cool kids", I
can give you an example. My most-healthy USB stick blew a tire
on the Internet and ended up in the ditch. So I couldn't even
finish a transfer I was doing with it today. I consider it a poor
investment, when I pay many times the blank media price for
flash, and the damn things keep croaking. And this is only
happening because the controllers on those things are
such shite. SSDs don't fail like that! Different controller.
Paul
micky
Jan 25, 2024, 11:34:58 PMJan 25
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In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 16:58:32 -0600, Jim Joyce
No, no, never. You will have to take my optical drive from my cold dead
hand. (But I appreciate your saying "mostly". Good man.)
BTW, this fairly old laptop has a slot for an SD card, so I thought I
should put one in, for just in case. And it's always unloading and
loading it. I'm glad I don't need it.
hand. (But I appreciate your saying "mostly". Good man.)
BTW, this fairly old laptop has a slot for an SD card, so I thought I
should put one in, for just in case. And it's always unloading and
loading it. I'm glad I don't need it.
Brian Gregory
Jan 26, 2024, 4:11:08 PMJan 26
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On 24/01/2024 16:19, micky wrote:
> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
> DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
Not me.
> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with a
> DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
The last PC I built I deliberately looked for a case with positions for
optical drives. It was fairly difficult to find one.
As to whether I really needed one. It is debatable. I could manage with
an external USB drive but it'd be annoying and an extra expense. (The
drives I used were out of my old PC)
On the other hand a USB DVD drive suitable for installing software is
going to be relatively cheap compared with the blu-ray writer drives I
like to have.
> **The dogs are maltepoos. Combination of a poodle with a malted milk.
them for a walk. Or if they do clean it up afterwards. ;-)
--
Brian Gregory (in England).
Paul
Jan 26, 2024, 5:15:39 PMJan 26
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3 External 5.25" Drive Bays
6 Internal 3.5" Drive Bays (trays seem to exit the chassis on the wrong side)
Motherboard Compatibility E-ATX / ATX / uATX / mITX / SSI EEB
Max GPU Length 472 mm / 18.5in w/o HDD cages
347 mm / 13.6in with HDD cages
Dimensions (H x W x D) 21.10" x 9.25" x 21.70"
The power supply is in the bottom, which is what I was looking for,
a way to move the power, so I could fit a fan near VCore.
It has a few issues, but size isn't one of them. I don't really like
glass doors for example. Potential for rattling.
That's a lot bigger than the Corsair cases on display at my
computer store. Those barely looked big enough to hold sandwich bread.
*******
And even if someone gave me a BluRay drive, I would not know
what to do with it. I've never seen any descriptions of "easy movie playback"
with stuff like that. There are a number of Intel processors not
rated for 4K playback. It's a "Hollywood security problem", something
only Hollywood could dream up. Even dedicated set top players, are not
guaranteed to play a title you own... forever. Titles could magically
stop playing, any time they want.
The blanks are pretty big at 25GB, and I don't know how that would fit
into any activity here. I would hate to pay extra for a BluRay blank,
and end up using it as a DVD blank. That would suck.
I guess you could say those drives are a "marketing fail".
*******
You know there is serious money about, when you read an article about
AI, and the comment section is filled with "AI is wonderful" posts :-)
I tried a few queries now on CoPilot, and I'm completely unimpressed.
That shit had better write excellent computer code, because as far as
answering question goes, it's pretty bad. And to think Windows 12 will
have a 16GB memory requirement, just to host such garbage locally :-/
Like I need a new key on my keyboard labeled "Garbage".
You only get one chance to make a good impression, and AI has already
had its 15 minutes of fame. I'm sure it will make a great missile
launcher or attack drone, no matter who it shoots.
Paul
AK
Jan 26, 2024, 6:46:51 PMJan 26
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They can be used for example in playing DVD movies.
And they can also be used to boot into or install an operating system.
Andy
Carlos E.R.
Jan 27, 2024, 10:25:22 AMJan 27
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On 2024-01-25 16:59, VanguardLH wrote:
> micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>> VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH> wrote:
>>
>>> micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with
>>>> a DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
>>>
>>> My up-vote on suggestions by others: get a USB-attached DVD drive, or
>>> even a USB-attached CD/DVD/BD drive. No need for a built-in one.
>>
>> Good for home, but I wouldn't have had it with me at my brother's, in
>> Florida.
>>
>> I feel good when I know I'm packin'.
>
> That's what carry bags are for: to pack more than the laptop. You
> travel without the A/C adapter to charge your laptop? I also pack a BT
> mouse and keyboard. And even some pens and paper. And sometimes even a
> USB-attached HDD, SSD, or flash stick for more storage of data, and off
> the drive with the partition for the OS and apps. And a powered USB hub
> since the laptop has a dearth of USB ports. I don't recall seeing
> anyone board an airplane with a nude laptop. They're always in a tote.
>
> But, in your case, you already had a built-in optical drive. However,
> the arguments were not against that, but that a built-in one is not a
> necessity as you claim. All those folks that laughed at you simply
> chose a different setup: a non-built-in optical drive via USB.
A built in drive makes the laptop significantly thicker and heavier, and
> micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>> VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH> wrote:
>>
>>> micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> People laughed at me when I said I wanted a desktop and a laptop with
>>>> a DVD drive. No one uses those anymore, they taunted me.
>>>
>>> My up-vote on suggestions by others: get a USB-attached DVD drive, or
>>> even a USB-attached CD/DVD/BD drive. No need for a built-in one.
>>
>> Good for home, but I wouldn't have had it with me at my brother's, in
>> Florida.
>>
>> I feel good when I know I'm packin'.
>
> That's what carry bags are for: to pack more than the laptop. You
> travel without the A/C adapter to charge your laptop? I also pack a BT
> mouse and keyboard. And even some pens and paper. And sometimes even a
> USB-attached HDD, SSD, or flash stick for more storage of data, and off
> the drive with the partition for the OS and apps. And a powered USB hub
> since the laptop has a dearth of USB ports. I don't recall seeing
> anyone board an airplane with a nude laptop. They're always in a tote.
>
> But, in your case, you already had a built-in optical drive. However,
> the arguments were not against that, but that a built-in one is not a
> necessity as you claim. All those folks that laughed at you simply
> chose a different setup: a non-built-in optical drive via USB.
I'd have that weight on my back when moving around. Arguably, the
external drive would be on another piece of luggage, so not on my back.
...
--
Cheers, Carlos.
Paul
Jan 27, 2024, 11:53:04 AMJan 27
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=KT2u8wi8bDE
It needs the thin metal covers, because the rest of it is
pretty flimsy. That provides some protection while it is
being handled.
Thicker laptops also change in other design dimensions, such
as 200W turbo CPUs, heatpipes, more than one blower, and so on.
They don't make a laptop thicker just to accommodate an optical
drive.
There have been computing devices which are empty inside,
and they're the subject of derisive laughter. As a designer,
you can't really win by just making a thicker chassis and putting
a nice keyboard in it. Because then the comments would be
"shudda filled it with batteries". The customers will insist
it be chonky, and then they will later complain it is chonky.
A thick laptop is like a bag of penny candy. You expect the
bag to be "full".
Paul
Carlos E.R.
Jan 27, 2024, 2:07:21 PMJan 27
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instance adjusting the speed of the motor to compensate irregularities
and actually track an object while it moves on the sky (by sampling a
photo with a camera on the scope). Or having the scope automatically
locate an object (needs changing the speed of the motor significantly).
Other software can look at the telescope camera and sync the computer
generated sky map to it, so that you can identify objects.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
Carlos E.R.
Jan 27, 2024, 5:01:06 PMJan 27
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On 2024-01-25 03:54, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 18:26:16 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
>
>
>> You can even get USB-attached:
>> - 3.5" diskette drive. I've never bothered to hunt around for a
>> USB-attached 5.25" floppy drive.
>> - USB-attached Iomege ZIP drive if you still have Zip disks around (but
>> you might need to install drivers).
>> - USB-attached card reader.
>>
>> There's probably other USB-attached storage that I didn't think of.
>
> I've got a USB attached tape cassette. It works for moving music off old
> tapes but it's a painful process. The copying is in real time. The
> software is reasonably good at breaking out songs into separate files but
> you have to label them yourself.
Heh! I have not seen that one.
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 18:26:16 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
>
>
>> You can even get USB-attached:
>> - 3.5" diskette drive. I've never bothered to hunt around for a
>> USB-attached 5.25" floppy drive.
>> - USB-attached Iomege ZIP drive if you still have Zip disks around (but
>> you might need to install drivers).
>> - USB-attached card reader.
>>
>> There's probably other USB-attached storage that I didn't think of.
>
> I've got a USB attached tape cassette. It works for moving music off old
> tapes but it's a painful process. The copying is in real time. The
> software is reasonably good at breaking out songs into separate files but
> you have to label them yourself.
> There are also USB turntables for the vinyl purists although i think that
> defeats the whole analog is better than digital thing.
conveniently.
Heck. I just had a quick look at Amazon, and several compact players I
see include the speakers in the base, so there is feedback between the
speaker and the capsule.
Old briefcase players had the speaker on the lid, which was detachable.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
Carlos E.R.
Jan 27, 2024, 5:01:06 PMJan 27
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On 2024-01-26 22:11, Brian Gregory wrote:
...
> The last PC I built I deliberately looked for a case with positions for
> optical drives. It was fairly difficult to find one.
I had no problem with that.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
...
> The last PC I built I deliberately looked for a case with positions for
> optical drives. It was fairly difficult to find one.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
Char Jackson
Jan 27, 2024, 6:26:40 PMJan 27
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 22:56:35 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_...@es.invalid>
wrote:
It probably depends partly on the form factor you've decided to use. When I
build a desktop system, I exclusively look at mid-tower cases, and AFAIK 100% of
them have multiple 5.25" bays where optical drives can be installed. Brian may
be looking only at another (smaller) form factor, right Brian?
Also, as others previously discussed, I require the PSU mounting position to be
at the top of the case, for proper and effective heat management, never at the
bottom. It makes no sense to me to place that kind of heat source at the bottom
of the case.
wrote:
build a desktop system, I exclusively look at mid-tower cases, and AFAIK 100% of
them have multiple 5.25" bays where optical drives can be installed. Brian may
be looking only at another (smaller) form factor, right Brian?
Also, as others previously discussed, I require the PSU mounting position to be
at the top of the case, for proper and effective heat management, never at the
bottom. It makes no sense to me to place that kind of heat source at the bottom
of the case.
The Real Bev
Jan 27, 2024, 11:35:03 PMJan 27
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On 1/27/24 1:55 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-01-25 03:54, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 18:26:16 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You can even get USB-attached:
>>> - 3.5" diskette drive. I've never bothered to hunt around for a
>>> USB-attached 5.25" floppy drive.
>>> - USB-attached Iomege ZIP drive if you still have Zip disks around (but
>>> you might need to install drivers).
>>> - USB-attached card reader.
>>>
>>> There's probably other USB-attached storage that I didn't think of.
>>
>> I've got a USB attached tape cassette. It works for moving music off old
>> tapes but it's a painful process. The copying is in real time. The
>> software is reasonably good at breaking out songs into separate files but
>> you have to label them yourself.
>
> Heh! I have not seen that one.
>
>> There are also USB turntables for the vinyl purists although i think that
>> defeats the whole analog is better than digital thing.
FWIW, hubby who can still hear earthquakes a few seconds before they
> On 2024-01-25 03:54, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 18:26:16 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You can even get USB-attached:
>>> - 3.5" diskette drive. I've never bothered to hunt around for a
>>> USB-attached 5.25" floppy drive.
>>> - USB-attached Iomege ZIP drive if you still have Zip disks around (but
>>> you might need to install drivers).
>>> - USB-attached card reader.
>>>
>>> There's probably other USB-attached storage that I didn't think of.
>>
>> I've got a USB attached tape cassette. It works for moving music off old
>> tapes but it's a painful process. The copying is in real time. The
>> software is reasonably good at breaking out songs into separate files but
>> you have to label them yourself.
>
> Heh! I have not seen that one.
>
>> There are also USB turntables for the vinyl purists although i think that
>> defeats the whole analog is better than digital thing.
start and who used to hear REALLY high sounds, says the analog/digital
thing is pure bullshit. I trust him. My ears have always been terrible,
and now they're a lot worse.
Who knew that a sudden feedback scream from your phone (no idea how that
happened) could take out the higher-frequency (such as it was) hearing
in that ear permanently? Be warned.
> AFAIK, the intention is to record the existing vinyl collection
> conveniently.
4-track tape collection to MP3 (can't remember the name of the recorder,
but we still have it), including attaching official names through some
arcane method.
> Heck. I just had a quick look at Amazon, and several compact players I
> see include the speakers in the base, so there is feedback between the
> speaker and the capsule.
>
> Old briefcase players had the speaker on the lid, which was detachable.
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micky
Jan 28, 2024, 1:19:15 AMJan 28
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 27 Jan 2024 20:04:44 +0100, "Carlos
brother's apartment. There's plenty of internet.
>>> Do your software and documentation downloads when it's convenient for you. Don't
>>> wait until the middle of the night when you're in a place without Internet
>>> access.
>>
>> There is no software for this telescope, only a PDF owner's manual and
>> some links that no longer work. Even the one with the motor drive to
>> follow the subject while the earth rotates I'm 95% sure uses no
>> software. Just admit that it's good to have a DVD drive when the
>> company provides you with a DVD.
>
>With reasonably good telescopes, software can be added. Like for
>instance adjusting the speed of the motor to compensate irregularities
This one doesn't have a motor.
Here it is:
https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-31045-AstroMaster-Reflector-Telescope/dp/B000MLL6RS/ref=sr_1_1_sspa
It has slow motion controls, but they are manual.
But it's $351, more than enough for a present you're not even sure your
friends will use.
Although here is almost the same model number, and it's less ($279,
still a big present),and it seems to have a motor, (though still no
software)
https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-31051-AstroMaster-130EQ-Telescope/dp/B0013Z42AK/ref=asc_df_B0013Z42AK/
The pictures look just like the one my brother has, with no motor. I
dont' know how that little box is supposed to move things when it still
has the same hand-adjusting knobs. Maybe they used the wrong pictures.
>and actually track an object while it moves on the sky (by sampling a
>photo with a camera on the scope). Or having the scope automatically
>locate an object (needs changing the speed of the motor significantly).
That's going to be a lot more than $350.
E.R." <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>On 2024-01-25 02:48, micky wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 17:00:45 -0600, Jim Joyce
>> <no...@none.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:09:17 -0500, knuttle <keith_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/24/2024 12:23 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> micky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> good friends of theirs had given them a telescope. And they are
>>>>>> complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in the box
>>>>>> was a DVD.
>>>>> Is the software not available to download from the telescope
>>>>> manufacturer's website?
>>>>>
>>>> You have to have access to the internet to do that. If you are in a
>>>> dark place to use the telescope there may be no internet available.
This telescope was intended to be used on the 17th floor balcony of my
>On 2024-01-25 02:48, micky wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 17:00:45 -0600, Jim Joyce
>> <no...@none.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:09:17 -0500, knuttle <keith_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/24/2024 12:23 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> micky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> good friends of theirs had given them a telescope. And they are
>>>>>> complicated. Setup especially. And guess what, included in the box
>>>>>> was a DVD.
>>>>> Is the software not available to download from the telescope
>>>>> manufacturer's website?
>>>>>
>>>> You have to have access to the internet to do that. If you are in a
>>>> dark place to use the telescope there may be no internet available.
brother's apartment. There's plenty of internet.
>>> Do your software and documentation downloads when it's convenient for you. Don't
>>> wait until the middle of the night when you're in a place without Internet
>>> access.
>>
>> There is no software for this telescope, only a PDF owner's manual and
>> some links that no longer work. Even the one with the motor drive to
>> follow the subject while the earth rotates I'm 95% sure uses no
>> software. Just admit that it's good to have a DVD drive when the
>> company provides you with a DVD.
>
>With reasonably good telescopes, software can be added. Like for
>instance adjusting the speed of the motor to compensate irregularities
Here it is:
https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-31045-AstroMaster-Reflector-Telescope/dp/B000MLL6RS/ref=sr_1_1_sspa
It has slow motion controls, but they are manual.
But it's $351, more than enough for a present you're not even sure your
friends will use.
Although here is almost the same model number, and it's less ($279,
still a big present),and it seems to have a motor, (though still no
software)
https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-31051-AstroMaster-130EQ-Telescope/dp/B0013Z42AK/ref=asc_df_B0013Z42AK/
The pictures look just like the one my brother has, with no motor. I
dont' know how that little box is supposed to move things when it still
has the same hand-adjusting knobs. Maybe they used the wrong pictures.
>and actually track an object while it moves on the sky (by sampling a
>photo with a camera on the scope). Or having the scope automatically
>locate an object (needs changing the speed of the motor significantly).
Paul
Jan 28, 2024, 2:15:54 AMJan 28
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than a VFD could achieve with a synchronous motor.
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/879952-possible-to-use-an-industrial-vfd-to-control-an-ac-synchronous-drive-motor/
Paul
Carlos E.R.
Jan 28, 2024, 6:58:35 AMJan 28
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is quite possible they can be bought separately as addons.
>
> But it's $351, more than enough for a present you're not even sure your
> friends will use.
>
> Although here is almost the same model number, and it's less ($279,
> still a big present),and it seems to have a motor, (though still no
> software)
> https://www.amazon.com/Celestron-31051-AstroMaster-130EQ-Telescope/dp/B0013Z42AK/ref=asc_df_B0013Z42AK/
> The pictures look just like the one my brother has, with no motor. I
> dont' know how that little box is supposed to move things when it still
> has the same hand-adjusting knobs. Maybe they used the wrong pictures.
>
>> and actually track an object while it moves on the sky (by sampling a
>> photo with a camera on the scope). Or having the scope automatically
>> locate an object (needs changing the speed of the motor significantly).
>
> That's going to be a lot more than $350.
If one gets attracted to this hobby, you start adding things to it. My
late cousin was, his setup was amazing (to me).
>
>> Other software can look at the telescope camera and sync the computer
>> generated sky map to it, so that you can identify objects.
Cheers, Carlos.
Carlos E.R.
Jan 28, 2024, 7:34:20 AMJan 28
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On 2024-01-28 00:26, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 22:56:35 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_...@es.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-01-26 22:11, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> The last PC I built I deliberately looked for a case with positions for
>>> optical drives. It was fairly difficult to find one.
>>
>> I had no problem with that.
>
> It probably depends partly on the form factor you've decided to use.
True.
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 22:56:35 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_...@es.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-01-26 22:11, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> The last PC I built I deliberately looked for a case with positions for
>>> optical drives. It was fairly difficult to find one.
>>
>> I had no problem with that.
>
> It probably depends partly on the form factor you've decided to use.
> When I
> build a desktop system, I exclusively look at mid-tower cases, and AFAIK 100% of
> them have multiple 5.25" bays where optical drives can be installed. Brian may
> be looking only at another (smaller) form factor, right Brian?
>
> Also, as others previously discussed, I require the PSU mounting position to be
> at the top of the case, for proper and effective heat management, never at the
> bottom. It makes no sense to me to place that kind of heat source at the bottom
> of the case.
The heat should not be a problem, because it has a fan. Any heat
generated inside the PSU is vented out soon enough. Unless the PSU case
becomes hot, and that should not happen.
But then the case needs an independent fan at the top, to exhaust heat
from other sources that concentrates there.
Anyway, at least my last two boxes have the PSU in the top position, but
because it is opposite to the 5.25" bays, I guess.
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Cheers, Carlos.
Woozy Song
Feb 2, 2024, 4:21:38 AMFeb 2
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Paul wrote:
>
> The computer store I got those at, used to have three cubic meters
> of media on display at one time. Today, they have three cake
> boxes under the counter, and if you buy a box, that's
> "a third of the store stock". Your choices are "Verbatim"
> or "Verbatim". Or perhaps "Verbatim".
>
> And the Dynex jewel boxes, are now "Verbatim" brand. Small world.
>
> The computer store I got those at, used to have three cubic meters
> of media on display at one time. Today, they have three cake
> boxes under the counter, and if you buy a box, that's
> "a third of the store stock". Your choices are "Verbatim"
> or "Verbatim". Or perhaps "Verbatim".
>
> I was lucky to get jewel boxes.
>
> The staff even had trouble finding those in the store. Normally,
> their computer has a grid ref inside the store, for where the
> items are located. But not for that stuff. It was actually underneath
> the cash register location. I guess they didn't have a place to
> put it. One clerk seemed to think it was hidden in the back somewhere
> ("in the cage"), but eventually one of the other store staff figured
> it out.
>
Yeah shits me that every shop in town sells Verbatim only. The 10-CD
stacker in my 1990s limo won't read them. So have to buy printable
discs on eBay that claim to be Kodak or some known brand, and hope they
work.
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