Chevrolet 428??
Scott Widmer
Hi all,
Back in the 60s, did Chevrolet (or GM) ever manufacture a 428 cubic inch
engine?? If so, what's the history behind it and what models did it
power??
Thanks,
-Scott Widmer
srwi...@cle.ab.com
Stephen H. Westin
Scott Widmer <srwi...@cle.ab.com> writes:
> Back in the 60s, did Chevrolet (or GM) ever manufacture a 428 cubic inch
> engine?? If so, what's the history behind it and what models did it
> power??
Can't think of any. There were 427's from at least two engine
families: the rare NASCAR-only "Porcupine" on the old 348/409 block,
and the later one from the 396 family. This latter also was made in
aluminum-head (L88?) and all-aluminum (ZL1?) versions. The latter is
very rare, offered only in a special lightweight Corvette with, among
other things, no heater.
Ford, on the other hand, had a 428; this was from the tamer side of
the FE engine family, and its higher-performance sibling was the famed
side-oiler 427.
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Ron Selberg
Stephen H. Westin wrote:
>
> Scott Widmer <srwi...@cle.ab.com> writes:
>
> > Back in the 60s, did Chevrolet (or GM) ever manufacture a 428 cubic inch
> > engine?? If so, what's the history behind it and what models did it
> > power??
> Ford, on the other hand, had a 428; this was from the tamer side of
> the FE engine family, and its higher-performance sibling was the famed
> side-oiler 427.
Chev had the 427 from 66-69.
Pontiac had a 428. in 1965??? I think it was offered in the Bonneville.
Pontiac guys.....chime in here....
Ron
dbug
I seem to remember the Pontiac as a 421 cid which was pretty strong as
the 421 Super Duty.
T. Postel
In my '74 Chilton's I see the '67, '68, '69 Pontiac (Grand Prix) as having 4 428
CID options, with cam & distributor depending on transmission, different heads
and carbs - all 4bbl.
The design is based on the 421 (1963-66), bored, with redesigned cylinder heads.
The stock compression ratio is 10.5:1, and the H.O. is 10.75:1
In 1970 Pontiac again bored out the 428 from 4.12" to 4.15" and increased the
stroke, from 4.0 to 4.2" making it the 455 CID.
-m
dbug was all
David
Here's what, the 428 was a GMC engine used in 50-60 series trucks from
~68-72. This will toast your marbles, it was a V-6! I drove one in a
1968 GMC 60 26' straight truck when I was in School. It had a five
speed gearbox and a two speed electric axle.
Terry Nixon
All this is pretty much correct, although 421s or 428s were never factory options in
GTOs. If you remember one, the dealer or somebody put it in. The 428 is considered to
be a desirable engine these days, but pistons and such require more searching than
just going to the parts store. You can't rev a 455 like the shorter-stroked 428, but
you have to be pretty serious to want to rev a Pontiac. They're made to be all done
by 5500 rpm. That 4.00 or 4.25 inch stroke really hangs out there, and 3.25 inch main
journals start to get some real velocity...
Terry
dbug wrote:
> Thanx for stirring the noodle. Now that you point it out there was a
> 428 in the Big Chief. I could recall the 421 that was in the GTO as
> an option. I recall it being a little bit of an underachiever when
> put up against a good running 389 in the Goat even though it seemed to
> be pretty potent in the bigger cars. Maybe the 389 just revved better
> in the lighter car. The Pontiac boys are still welcome to offer a
> little help and insight here.
dbug
dba...@tri-sage.com
Pontiac did a 428 in the 2+2 I seem to remember (a girl friends father had
one). The other big Pontiacs had it too (Bonneville, Catalina).
In article <3572FA...@cle.ab.com>,
Scott Widmer <srwi...@cle.ab.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Back in the 60s, did Chevrolet (or GM) ever manufacture a 428 cubic inch
> engine?? If so, what's the history behind it and what models did it
> power??
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Scott Widmer
> srwi...@cle.ab.com
>
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On Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:30:00 -0500, Terry Nixon <tmn...@gte.net>
wrote:
>All this is pretty much correct, although 421s or 428s were never factory options in
>GTOs. If you remember one, the dealer or somebody put it in. The 428 is considered to
>be a desirable engine these days, but pistons and such require more searching than
>just going to the parts store. You can't rev a 455 like the shorter-stroked 428, but
>you have to be pretty serious to want to rev a Pontiac. They're made to be all done
>by 5500 rpm. That 4.00 or 4.25 inch stroke really hangs out there, and 3.25 inch main
>journals start to get some real velocity...
>Terry
>
The only 421 I ever saw in a Goat was a tradin on a Hemi Satilite at
the Mopar dealer where I worked. It had a skip and was sent to us in
service to repair whatever the problem was. It was in and out over
several days and we had an opportunity to play with it. One of the
guys in service had a TriPower Goat that could handle it quite easily
in a backstreet contest. I can't tell you if it was a factory option
ot not but, we had a couple of dealers around Atlanta at the time that
would put together anything you would pay for.
Thanks for the info!
life_...@hotmail.com
In article <3572FA...@cle.ab.com>,
Scott Widmer <srwi...@cle.ab.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Back in the 60s, did Chevrolet (or GM) ever manufacture a 428 cubic inch
> engine?? If so, what's the history behind it and what models did it
> power??
Pontiac put a 428 in the mid-60's Catalinas. They were considered performance
engines, and usually had solid lifters and high compression.
- Lifespeed
life_...@hotmail.com
In article <6kvogv$ber$3...@gte2.gte.net>,
tmn...@gte.net wrote:
>
> All this is pretty much correct, although 421s or 428s were never factory
options in
> GTOs. If you remember one, the dealer or somebody put it in. The 428 is
considered to
> be a desirable engine these days, but pistons and such require more
searching than
> just going to the parts store. You can't rev a 455 like the shorter-stroked
428, but
> you have to be pretty serious to want to rev a Pontiac. They're made to be
all done
> by 5500 rpm. That 4.00 or 4.25 inch stroke really hangs out there, and 3.25
inch main
> journals start to get some real velocity...
> Terry
That's right, you don't want to rev a big pontiac. That may explain why the
389 didn't seem too shabby next to the 421. 400 pontiacs, and smaller, have
smaller main bearing journals.
Ron Selberg
Terry Nixon wrote:
>
> All this is pretty much correct, although 421s or 428s were never factory options in
> GTOs. If you remember one, the dealer or somebody put it in. The 428 is considered to
> be a desirable engine these days, but pistons and such require more searching than
> just going to the parts store. You can't rev a 455 like the shorter-stroked 428, but
> you have to be pretty serious to want to rev a Pontiac. They're made to be all done
> by 5500 rpm. That 4.00 or 4.25 inch stroke really hangs out there, and 3.25 inch main
> journals start to get some real velocity...
> Terry
In stock form true. I know of one local firebird running in the high
tens, Edelbrock heads, big roller etc with a 455 and I know he turns it
to 6500 or so. Another 69 Tempest, similar engine goes low tens. So they
can run when modified.
Ron
JERRY R FRANCE
I don't think Pontiac used solid lifters in any of their 428 engines-the
brain fades a little,but they may have used them in a couple of the hot
421's in the lightweight race cars of the early 60's-never in street cars.
life_...@hotmail.com wrote in message <6l13c6$jqq$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <3572FA...@cle.ab.com>,
> Scott Widmer <srwi...@cle.ab.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Back in the 60s, did Chevrolet (or GM) ever manufacture a 428 cubic inch
>> engine?? If so, what's the history behind it and what models did it
>> power??
>
>Pontiac put a 428 in the mid-60's Catalinas. They were considered
performance
>engines, and usually had solid lifters and high compression.
>
Rob Armstrong
>Back in the 60s, did Chevrolet (or GM) ever manufacture a 428 cubic inch
>engine?? If so, what's the history behind it and what models did it
>power??
The closest you get in the major industries to that magic number of the 420-
something block is:
Mopar=426 Hemi
Ford= 427 and 428
Buick=425
Chevy=427
Pontiac=428 (don't know if they made a tri-power version of this engine)
Good luck,
Is there a reason for the interest?
-rob
Stephen H. Westin
"Rob Armstrong" <rob...@teleport.com> writes:
<snip>
> The closest you get in the major industries to that magic number of the 420-
> something block is:
>
> Mopar=426 Hemi
and Wedge: the ancestor of the 440
> Ford= 427 and 428
Also the 430 for Lincoln; I think this was also from the FE engine family.
There was also the 429 that replaced these engines around '69. Well,
actually two different 429's, but the Boss 429 "Blue Racer" is fairly
rare...
> Buick=425
> Chevy=427
> Pontiac=428 (don't know if they made a tri-power version of this engine)
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In article <6l2d98$dukm$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>,
"JERRY R FRANCE" <XIRO...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> I don't think Pontiac used solid lifters in any of their 428 engines-the
> brain fades a little,but they may have used them in a couple of the hot
> 421's in the lightweight race cars of the early 60's-never in street cars.
I think I did confuse it with the 421... nearly identical, except for state of
tune.
dougbird
Scott Widmer wrote in message <3572FA...@cle.ab.com>...
>Hi all,
>
>Back in the 60s, did Chevrolet (or GM) ever manufacture a 428 cubic inch
>
As far as I know, Chevy never made a 428, though I believe that Ford did.
Chevy did make a 427, that in various stages of tune was put into their
passenger car line, as well as the Corvette. In the Corvette this engine
was available in several versions, developing 390 hp, 400 hp and 435 hp.
There were also pure competition versions, notably the L88 which probably
put out close to 500 hp, and the ZL1 which was an all-aluminum version of
the L88 that probably cranked out close to 600 hp. Only 2 ZL1-equipped
Corvettes were made. Please note that the hp figures are for gross hp.
Presently net hp is used which would give a lesser figure.
>
>-Scott Widmer
>srwi...@cle.ab.com
krei...@mail.sunlink.net
On 1998-06-03 westin*nos...@graphics.cornell.edu(StephenH.Westin) said:
>Also the 430 for Lincoln; I think this was also from the FE engine
>family.
I think it was a different family. I had one, 34 years ago. There
was also a smaller version in the Edsel, a 383, I think. I always
wondered why Ford never did anything with this block. It looked
VERY strong, very beefy rods.
>> Buick=425
And a 430, in the later engine series. I think the 425 was a bigger
401, the old nail-valve block. Remember the vertical valve covers?
Bob K
Larry Smith
In article <s0u362v...@blynken.graphics.cornell.edu>,
Stephen H. Westin <westin*nos...@graphics.cornell.edu> wrote:
>> Ford= 427 and 428
> Also the 430 for Lincoln; I think this was also from the FE engine family.
Actually the 430 was from the MEL engine family, not the FE.
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David Studly
In article <s0wwb0y...@blynken.graphics.cornell.edu>,
>
>> Back in the 60s, did Chevrolet (or GM) ever manufacture a 428 cubic inch
>> power??
>
>families: the rare NASCAR-only "Porcupine" on the old 348/409 block,
>and the later one from the 396 family. This latter also was made in
>aluminum-head (L88?) and all-aluminum (ZL1?) versions. The latter is
>very rare, offered only in a special lightweight Corvette with, among
>other things, no heater.
I've never heard of a 428 Chevy. Other posters have been correct about
the Ford and Pontiac, and Cadillac had a 429, I believe.
One note of correction, I dont believe the L88 had aluminum heads. It was
a honkin' motor for sure, but I believe it it was all-iron (block &
heads). There was an L89 engine, iron-block, aluminum head. The ZL-1 was
all-aluminum and made it into two Crovettes in '69 and 69 '69 Camaros.
(not a typo). I believe the ZL-1/L88 were pretty much identical (ie-cam,
head design, intake) except for the iron/aluminum difference.
-Dave, dst...@ace.cs.ohiou.edu
krei...@mail.sunlink.net
On 4- 0-Th dst...@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu(DavidStudly) said:
>One note of correction, I dont believe the L88 had aluminum heads.
No, it did have aluminum heads.
>There was an L89 engine, iron-block, aluminum
>head.
Yes. This was the L71 motor, AKA 427/435, with aluminum heads.
Bob K
JERRY R FRANCE
MEL=Mercury,Edsel,Lincoln?
Larry Smith wrote in message <6l5htk$ml0$1...@pema.scs.unr.edu>...
>In article <s0u362v...@blynken.graphics.cornell.edu>,
JERRY R FRANCE
Yeah,those rods impressed me,too.Looked like LeMans rods.
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>On 1998-06-03 westin*nos...@graphics.cornell.edu(StephenH.Westin) said:
> >Also the 430 for Lincoln; I think this was also from the FE engine
> >family.
>
> was also a smaller version in the Edsel, a 383, I think. I always
>
> VERY strong, very beefy rods.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob K
Roy G. Bragg
If memory serves correctly and I'm not a strong Ford person, the Edsel
small engine was a 361 and the larger MEL version was a 410.
Roy
yes, another Tom
Well, the 361 and the 410 were both FE models. The 361, 332 and 352 are the
earliest FEs. The 410 was an early to mid 60s Mercury engine and is what
you get when you toss a 428 crank in a 390 block. As for the MEL engines,
they were the 383, 430 and 462, last seen in the 67 Lincoln. Well, maybe
66, but in 67 or 68 it was supplanted by the 385 series (429/460). I have a
1962 Midwest Speed catalog and folks were making blower manifolds for the
MEL. Now, would that not be a cool hotrod alternative to the boring old
350/350?
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Terry Nixon
Did you ever have the heads off an MEL motor? There's no combustion chamber in
the head: they're just flat, like a 348-409 Chevy. The block is angled to
provide the chamber. Pretty hard to set up your boring bar, I'd guess...
Terry
yes, another Tom
Yeah. That was supposed to be some sort of feature.
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yes, another Tom wrote:
> Well, the 361 and the 410 were both FE models. The 361, 332 and 352 are the
> earliest FEs. The 410 was an early to mid 60s Mercury engine and is what
> you get when you toss a 428 crank in a 390 block. As for the MEL engines,
> they were the 383, 430 and 462, last seen in the 67 Lincoln. Well, maybe
> 66, but in 67 or 68 it was supplanted by the 385 series (429/460). I have a
> 1962 Midwest Speed catalog and folks were making blower manifolds for the
> MEL. Now, would that not be a cool hotrod alternative to the boring old
> 350/350?
Where did the 406 come in? Was it of the FE family?
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yes, another Tom
FE types known to me.
332, 352, 359, 360, 361, 390, 391, 406, 410, 427, 427 SOHC, 428.
The 360 hp 352 of 1960 begat the 390 hp 390 GT which begat the 405 hp 406
which begat the 410 hp (4V) and 425 hp (2x4V) 427 which led to the 427 SOHC.
The 428 CJ was made from a different mindset, although the basic idea ("make
car go fast") was the same.
The 359 and the 391 were industrial truck motors. The 410 was Merc only.
The 361 was Edsel and Merc.
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Larry Smith
In article <6li1r3$1...@examiner.concentric.net>,
yes, another Tom <datc1...@concentric.net> wrote:
>FE types known to me.
>
>
>332, 352, 359, 360, 361, 390, 391, 406, 410, 427, 427 SOHC, 428.
>
>The 360 hp 352 of 1960 begat the 390 hp 390 GT which begat the 405 hp 406
>which begat the 410 hp (4V) and 425 hp (2x4V) 427 which led to the 427 SOHC.
>The 428 CJ was made from a different mindset, although the basic idea ("make
>car go fast") was the same.
>
As I understand it, the reason for the 428 CJ was to bring costs down,
the 427 block had to be hand bored due to close tolerances, while the 428
could be robot bored since it used a standard 390 block with lots cylinder
wall to work with. The 428 CJ replaced the 427 for the 68 model year, and
some dealers were having "close out specials" on 427 engines for around
$500! Wish I'd bought a couple of dozen. Of course I also wish I still had
the 65 Mustang GT convert I sold for $125 in 73.
D. Rosenberg
In article <6lio4v$9uo$1...@pema.scs.unr.edu>, lsm...@pogonip.scs.unr.edu
(Larry Smith) wrote:
> The 428 CJ replaced the 427 for the 68 model year,
Technically, the 428 CJ replaced the 427 from April 1968 onward.
D. Rosenberg
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> Hi all,
> Back in the 60s, did Chevrolet (or GM) ever manufacture a 428 cubic inch
> engine?? If so, what's the history behind it and what models did it
> power??
>
>
>
Yes they did. Have a 428 Chevy in our 1965 Century Coronado wood boat. Runs like a top but hard to find parts for it.
Ashton Crusher
wrote:
finally see it answered.
herbt...@gmail.com
> Hi all,
>
> Back in the 60s, did Chevrolet (or GM) ever manufacture a 428 cubic inch
> engine?? If so, what's the history behind it and what models did it
> power??
>
> Thanks,
>
> srwi...@cle.ab.com
In 1963 and 64 GM built a 429 it was in the caddy
1964 is the first year for “climate control” heating and air conditioning systems in Cadillac.
1,870 El Dorados built in 1964, all were convertibles.
SPECIFICATIONS
ENGINE: Eight-cylinder, 340 H.P., overhead, 90 degrees V-type; bore 4.13"; stroke 4.0"; displacement 429 cu. In. Max. torque 480 ft.-lbs. Engine mounted in rubber at three points. Compression ratio 10.5 to 1.
PISTONS: Aluminum alloy, slipper type to reduce friction surfaces and permit nesting between crankshaft counterweights. Two compression rings, one oil ring with expander; top compression ring chrome-plated to minimize wear on cylinder walls. Recessed contour in piston head increases turbulence for fast, complete burning of fuel-air mixture.
CARBURETOR: Four-barrel downdraft with equalized manifolding; mechanical fuel pump; dry type air filter; automatic choke.
LUBRICATION: Full pressure. Full-flow oil filter standard
Steve W.
dealer installed options.
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Ken Olson
> Yes it was in the Bonneville. You could get a dealer option/install for your Firebird, the Formula 400 cars in 68 and I think in 69 as well. I've seen a 68 Formula Firebird with a 428 Ram Air 4 speed at a car show and the owner told me that it was installed by the dealer.
>
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