Remove Catalytic or Keep it?????
Tripp
I want better performance out of my 93 S10 blazer 4x4 4.3L Vortec. I
am going to change the exhaust should I keep the converter or lose it.
Will my O2 sensor be affected if I remove it.
Thanks
Vince
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Keep the converter. Late model engines are designed to run with some
back pressure. You'll be pleasantly surprised at the difference a
free flowing muffler and pipes can make. You take all the back
pressure away, and it may falll flat on it's rear so to speak.
Trevor Fenn
Tripp wrote:
>
> I want better performance out of my 93 S10 blazer 4x4 4.3L Vortec. I
> am going to change the exhaust should I keep the converter or lose it.
> Will my O2 sensor be affected if I remove it.
> Thanks
> Vince
>
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If you remove the catalytic converter please route the exhaust through
the inside of your truck, that way you wont be around too long to drive
it.
Unleaded fuels contain Benzine which produces carcinogenic exhaust when
burnt. The catalytic converter removes these before the exhaust enters
the atmosphere.
Trevor Fenn
trev...@erols.com
John Galt
Sounds like Ecoterrorist urban legend there Trevor. The end results of
complete combustion are H2O and CO2. All the cat does is complete
combustion (make CO into CO2, etc).
John Galt
NLW TFW NM
After melting down 7 converters in quick succession, and spending thousands of
dollars in 5 shops to find out why, and failing, I gave up and removed my
converters (we have no inspection requirements here).
Gas mileage and power are up, and I've not had to call wreckers to get home
since removing the cat. But that's compared to a problem situation we cannot
identify; I still don't have the power and mileage I had years ago when all my
systems worked, so the overall problem is not having a converter. In other
words, converters don't inherently hurt mileage and power noticeably, so
removing them isn't likely to help unless you have another problem. Find that
problem, fix it, and you have both the design-level power AND the social
responsibility built in to your Blazer.
In short, my van had its best power and mileage WITH converters and WITHOUT
other problems. But now that it has a problem that $6-8,000 in new engine and
countless other diagnoses and parts (incl FoMoCo) can't fix, I must live with
LESS performance and mileage WITHOUT converters.
Another factor: I damaged a converter on my 280-Z on a rock many years ago, and
saved hundreds of bucks just having the shop trash the cat. Within a week the
EPA called me to demand why I had my cat removed.
An acquaintance was refused entry to CA because his converter had a small rust
hole, out of sight on top.
Exhaust shops are forbidden by law to do any work on a vehicle that has no
converter. And that's in NEW MEXICO, fer God's sake.
Keep it.
Mike
Paul
NLW TFW NM wrote:
so
<snip>
> Another factor: I damaged a converter on my 280-Z on a rock many years ago, and
> saved hundreds of bucks just having the shop trash the cat. Within a week the
> EPA called me to demand why I had my cat removed.
>
How did they find out and what did you tell them? How in the heck
did they get your home phone number?
> An acquaintance was refused entry to CA because his converter had a small rust
> hole, out of sight on top.
>
How could this be? Is there a big fence around the state manned
by Exhaust Gestapos? Hey, we could solve the illegal immigration
problem. Pass out rusty catalytic converters at the Mexican border,
the exhaust police will refuse them entry!
Paula
Walt Dexter
In article <19970930193...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, nlwt...@aol.com
says...
>
> [ ... much deleted ... ]
>
>Exhaust shops are forbidden by law to do any work on a vehicle that has no
> converter. And that's in NEW MEXICO, fer God's sake.
>
>Keep it.
>
>Mike
Well, it's federal regs. that have us all scared. (I own a couple "muffler
shops.") The fines are big for tampering, although most fines these days are
actually for screwing up the paperwork.
I've interpreted what regulations I've seen to say that, so long as we're not
removing the converter, installing a "test tube" to replace a missing
converter, or otherwise facilitating the removal of a converter, we're OK.
Our rule is that we'll only work with at least one discret component
between where we're working and where the converter should be, and only
"downstream" from it.
Imagine the typical vehicle exhaust configuration. From the front: Manifold,
gasket, y-pipe, converter, exhaust pipe, muffler, tailpipe.
If your converter is missing, we'll put on a muffler and/or a tailpipe. We
won't replace the exhaust pipe, we certainly won't replace the test tube (so
named because they were supposed to be installed to "test" whether the cat was
bad as a temporary measure; yeah, right) and we won't mess with the gaskets or
Y pipe.
If the converter and exhaust pipe were replaced with a single, piece of pipe,
we won't do the muffler, either; only the tailpipe.
My advice to Vince: keep the converter on the truck. If you remove it, at least
put it on a shelf in your garage, don't throw it away, so you can put it back
on when someone forces you to, or when you finally sell the vehicle.
Walt
Trevor Fenn
Yes the key word here is "complete"
you said it yourself, the catalytic converter "completes" combustion.
Without it those other pollutants pass directly to the atmosphere.
Did anyone else responding to this post get a private email from Vince
suggesting they should carry out a relationship with a tree?
Don't you just love people who ask for advice in a public forum and if
the answer is not what they want to hear they turn it into a mud
slinging match in private where they won't get too much competition.
Vince, take your converter off, see if I care.
Trevor Fenn
trev...@erols.com
NLW TFW NM
Re: "How did they find out and what did you tell them? How in the heck did
they get your home phone number?"
Ze have zer ways .... And I wasn't asking. I was trying to find the whitest
spot on their butt to plant my lips on. But what I told them was the truth;
that this was damage repair. The stretch was that my Z had entered the country
through WA rather than CA, and cats weren't required on Z cars entering
through WA (that was true, but mine had come in through CA.)
How did the U.S. Gov get my name and number? Jeez, they know which hand and
finger I pick my nose with; getting my name and phone number had to be easy. I
suspect they were investigating the shop my car was repaired at.
As for the CA border check, I must assume this was a chance inspection by a
bored CA cop at a Nev-CA agriculture inspection station, or just an organized,
random converter inspection just like the DWI-check road blocks I gladly
encounter every few months.
Mike
NLW TFW NM
Re the "test tubes" Walt described: I got the same terminology and responses
from local shops. These shops wouldn't touch them even though I seriously and
earnestly wanted exactly that: a test tube that would save me many hundreds of
dollars in melted pairs of converters while we troubleshot my problem.
Fortunately test tubes already cut to converter length were the ONLY SIZE
AVAILABLE from local parts stores, so replacement took me less than half an
hour. At least now my $200 converters will remain functional while I keep
trying to solve the underlying problem that Ford has given up on (after
multiple TSBs and computer changes).
Fortunately, I have no interest in going to CA.
Mike
Lee Havemann
Trevor Fenn (trevfen...@erols.com) wrote:
Trevor,
I would hazard a guess that Vince was (understandably) upset about the
reply you made which went like this:
"If you remove the catalytic converter please route the exhaust through
the inside of your truck, that way you won't be around too long to drive
it."
Since you get pissed off when somebody makes a comment like "go hug a tree",
why can't you understand that somebody gets upset when you suggest that
they commit suicide?
Sounds like hypocrisy to me...
: Vince, take your converter off, see if I care.
:
: Trevor Fenn
: trev...@erols.com
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Trevor Fenn <trevfen...@erols.com> wrote in article
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altavoZ
John Galt
Sounds like Ecoterrorist urban legend there Trevor. The end results of
complete combustion are H2O and CO2. All the cat does is complete
combustion (make CO into CO2, etc).
altavoz
No John , that is not what it "only does" . It causes much
back pressure . Removing the contents with a hammer drill is
a 10 second operation and makes car faster .
NLW TFW NM
Yes, unleaded fuel will, in the long haul, damage the valves of cars designed
to run on leaded fuel. The valves of old cars were designed to be protected
from the impact of closure by the lead in their fuel.
Now old? Ask your shop or dealer if YOUR car needs leaded fuel. If it does,
drive it 'til it fails and replace it. Or maybe some lead substitutes in a
bottle will help. But it's gotta be pretty OLD to need lead, and must be due
for replacement anyway. .
Mike
john liebenthal
In article <34310...@america.net>, jg...@america.net says...
>
>Trevor Fenn wrote:
>>
>> Tripp wrote:
>> >
>> > I want better performance out of my 93 S10 blazer 4x4 4.3L Vortec.
I
>> > am going to change the exhaust should I keep the converter or lose
it.
>> > Will my O2 sensor be affected if I remove it.
>> > Thanks
>> > Vince
>> >
>> > To reply via Email remove nospam-
>>
>> If you remove the catalytic converter please route the exhaust through
>> the inside of your truck, that way you wont be around too long to
drive
>> it.
>>
>> Unleaded fuels contain Benzine which produces carcinogenic exhaust
when
>> burnt. The catalytic converter removes these before the exhaust enters
>> the atmosphere.
>>
>> Trevor Fenn
>> trev...@erols.com
>
>complete combustion are H2O and CO2. All the cat does is complete
>combustion (make CO into CO2, etc).
>
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Eugene Nine
Does anyone know the convertor laws in Ohio? I was at the auto parts
store today and the guy behind the counter told me the law is already in
effect makeing it illegal to remove a cat. I bought my 88 S-10 in 1990
from a repo auction and the cat was already replaced. I'm trying to find
a replacement y pipe and all the stores list it as not available. With
170k miles I really don't want to spend money replacing the cat, etc. I
just want to replace the pipe with the hole in it. But if I'm going to be
inspected then I might as well buy a new one now.
Eugene
Walt Dexter
In article <61e5t5$m...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>,
en...@freenet.columbus.oh.us says...
It is not a state law, it is a federal law.
It is, however, selectively enforced - some areas have inspections, some don't.
In Illinois, for example, inspections are done only in the greater Chicago
area, and possibly/probably in Illinois near St. Louis, MO.
The law making it illegal to remove a converter has been in effect for a very
long time; I believe the Clean Air Act of '90 gave it some bigger "teeth" to
bite violators with.
All '88 S-10 trucks would have had a converter unless they were diesel. I don't
believe there were any diesel S-10s, so you're not going to find a Y pipe at a
parts store to go back past where the converter should be. You might find a kit
via mail order for "off road use only."
Walt
NLW TFW NM
Can't exhaust shops build you a Y pipe? Midas built me a nice-looking one
quickly and cheaply after another national chain butchered my pipes trying to
replace my melted OEM converters.
Mike
Gary Beyer
Eugene Nine wrote:
>
> Does anyone know the convertor laws in Ohio? I was at the auto parts
> store today and the guy behind the counter told me the law is already in
> effect makeing it illegal to remove a cat. I bought my 88 S-10 in 1990
> from a repo auction and the cat was already replaced. I'm trying to find
> a replacement y pipe and all the stores list it as not available. With
> 170k miles I really don't want to spend money replacing the cat, etc. I
> just want to replace the pipe with the hole in it. But if I'm going to be
> inspected then I might as well buy a new one now.
> Eugene
I'm not sure if it was "legal", but my local exhaust shop would make up
a new pipe to match an old one, or bend a pipe to my specs. He would not
touch the vehicle per se without replacing the parts with the "correct"
ones.
NLW TFW NM
The Midas and Meinecke shops I talked to about my converter problems sadid they
would not even risk having an 18" piece of pipe (converter length, more or
less) in their shop, even for a few minutes, even if there were not a customer
car in sight. It's just too obvious if an inspector walks in what that pipe is
for.
But parts houses carry 18" segments prepackaged.
Worked for me. Literally. I had my choice between throwing another several
thousand dollars at my converter problem, or spending $3.95 to solve it.
Duh!
Mike
fas1
On Wed, 08 Oct 1997 22:55:48 -0400, LA <ar...@ll.mit.edu> wrote:
> >I'm not sure if it was "legal", but my local exhaust shop would make up
>> >a new pipe to match an old one, or bend a pipe to my specs. He would not
>> >touch the vehicle per se without replacing the parts with the "correct"
>> >ones.
>>
>> the removal of a catalytic converter.
>>
>> Of course, if you tell them it's for something completely different, it's
>> likely that almost any muffler shop will make one for you. You just need to
>> lie convincingly.
>>
>> Walt
>
>
>Just walk in with an old pipe, or a drawing of what you want made. Just
>say "Make me one of these." Do not say "test pipe", or 1975+ any car. If
>they are curious of what it is for, just say something like "...custom
>exhaust for a (1974 or older any car), or something totally off the wall
>like an exhaust extension for a homemade power generator, or other
>ficticious home project. Beyond that, do like Archie Bunker would do and
>"don't say nothin' to nobody", and pay cash, no check or other means
>where you need to give your name, so there is no record that you bought
>a bent and flanged pipe.
>
>LA
If the muffler shop knows or SHOULD KNOW what your attempting to do,
and helps you tamper with the emmission system, they (the shop) would
be held responsible ( and subject to fine ) as if they did it
themselves.
Fred
Eugene Nine
I'm not looking for a y-pipe to go past the convertor, I'm looking for the
same as the stock y-pipe. My truck probably had a convertor at one time
before I bought it. It has a straight piece of pipe in place of the
convertor with everything else stock. I just got a hole in the y-pipe and
can't get a replacement. All I was wondering is will I have to be
inspected in the near future? If so then I should probably put on a cat
while I'm underneath working on the y-pipe (assuming I can ever find one)
Eugene
Mike Kreger
As the law is right now in Pennsylvania, A shop can not take a converter
off. If a car would come in without one. The shop can make an exhaust
system without one. As far as emmision testing.. Well .. GOOD LUCK!
Mike
Eugene Nine
You're still missing my point. I'm not trying to remove a convertor, it
was removed eight years ago before I even owned the truck. What I am
wanting to know is there any truth to the rumor about the EPA starting to
make inspections (heard that at the auto parts store) to see if vehicles
have the convertors. I think they already do that in some states (CA?)
with random stops to check emissions. I'm wondering if i will have to
worry abou that in Ohio in the near future. Should I put a new convertor
on a nine year old truck with 160k miles?
Eugene Nine
fas1
If a car would come in without one. The shop can make an exhaust
system without one.
In Pa. if your working in the area where the (missing) converter was
and the vehicle has more then 50000 mi and more then 5 years old you
HAVE to replace it with a cataloged replacement converter. Thats
federal not state law. Check out the EPA page and see what they are
doing to garages they catch tampering with emmissions.
Don Byrer
I beleive it is illegal in most states(definitely in many areas of OH) to
remove a cat. It IS illegal for a mechanic to remove it for you.
Why not call Summit Racing in Akron & order a hi-flow PFP cat & a Walker
Dynomax cat-back exhaust system. Add a new Y-pipe (if needed) & the
muffler-to-cat pipe (about $12, not included with the Dynomax system). I
did this on my '89 S-Blazer 4.3; it greatly improved top-end performance
as well as sound, & looks (stainless tip on the tailpipe)
I have a better-performing/sounding/looking vehicle that is 100%
emmissions legal for about $250 total.
Summit's phone # is:
1-800-230-3030
Don Byrer, KJ5KB, in Norman, Oklahoma
Internet: dby...@telepath.com Packet: KJ5KB@N0ELS.#COK.OK.USA.NOAM
"Free advice is always worth what you paid for it"
Walt Dexter
In article <343DBA...@epix.net>, mkr...@epix.net says...
>
>As the law is right now in Pennsylvania, A shop can not take a converter
>off. If a car would come in without one. The shop can make an exhaust
>system without one. As far as emmision testing.. Well .. GOOD LUCK!
>Mike
If this is true, I think the Federal EPA would be very interested to hear this.
As their regulations are regularly interpreted, in the back of EVERY CATALYTIC
CONVERTER CATALOG I HAVE EVER SEEN, in a question & answer format, it is not
legal to put pipe where a converter should be, whether there was a converter
there when the vehicle came in or not.
I think EPA must have supplied this; both catalogs I use regularly have the
exact same questions, exact same answers, exact same punctuation, etc.
Walt
Walt Dexter
In article <61jeb8$l...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>,
en...@freenet.columbus.oh.us says...
You should be able to find a Y-Pipe just like the original one (for most
vehicles, obviously; I forget what you're driving. Some just aren't available,
and have to be custom made.) On most catlyst vehicles, this Y-pipe will stop
just in front of where the converter should be. (See next paragraph for
exceptions.) If it appears that your current Y-pipe goes back to the back of
where the converter should be, that is probably just because someone has done a
good job of welding a test tube in place.
The exception to this is many newer Ford trucks, and most Subaru cars; the
pipes from either side of the motor actually feed separately into the
converter, which then has a single outlet. There are also other variations;
most V8 Ford cars have two converters on either side, then either a Y pipe or
H-pipe (in the case of dual exhaust.)
If the parts store is listing a Y-pipe for the same motor in the same year,
that is the correct part; it just stops where it should to hook to the
converter.
Or am I missing something completely???
Walt
Steve
The EPA doesn't make inspections, but they withhold money from states
that do not enforce various laws-such as the The Clean Air Act.
If your state doens't do testing now, you can get away with driving
without the cat. It's illegal, of course, but you won't get caught.
However, I believe we will eventually see mandatory testing in all 50
states.
You can usually see it coming. The EPA will threaten your state, and
your state will be forced to comply because it can't get highway funding
without it.
--
***sporter***
Eugene Nine
>If your state doens't do testing now, you can get away with driving
>without the cat. It's illegal, of course, but you won't get caught.
>However, I believe we will eventually see mandatory testing in all 50
>states.
>You can usually see it coming. The EPA will threaten your state, and
>your state will be forced to comply because it can't get highway funding
>without it.
>--
>***sporter***
Finally, someone who understands what I'm asking (Everyone else please
don't flame me, I guess I didn't ask my question clear enough). Anyway
that's what i think the guy in the parts store was talking about. Is is
possible Ohio is getting ready to start inspections? I think it would be
a waste of time to bother with a convertor on a vehicle as used as mine,
but then again as relaile as it has been it might last the rest of my life.
BTW I fixed my Y pipr myself. i found the hole was near enough to the
back to cut it short and buy a short piece of pipe to splice it back
together. prpbably cost less than $10
Eugene
hspe...@cc.memphis.edu
In article <3441CF...@mindspring.com>, Steve <ste...@mindspring.com> writes:
> Eugene Nine wrote:
>>
>> You're still missing my point. I'm not trying to remove a convertor, it
>> was removed eight years ago before I even owned the truck. What I am
>> wanting to know is there any truth to the rumor about the EPA starting to
>> make inspections (heard that at the auto parts store) to see if vehicles
>> have the convertors. I think they already do that in some states (CA?)
>> with random stops to check emissions. I'm wondering if i will have to
>> worry abou that in Ohio in the near future. Should I put a new convertor
>> on a nine year old truck with 160k miles?
>> Eugene Nine
>
>
> The EPA doesn't make inspections, but they withhold money from states
> that do not enforce various laws-such as the The Clean Air Act.
>
> without the cat. It's illegal, of course, but you won't get caught.
> However, I believe we will eventually see mandatory testing in all 50
> states.
>
> You can usually see it coming. The EPA will threaten your state, and
> your state will be forced to comply because it can't get highway funding
> without it.
> --
> ***sporter***
>
It may be semantics, or you may be referring to the individual states motor
vehicle inspections, but the EPA does do inspections. I don't know if they
ever set up and do random inspections of individual vehicles, but, I suppose
they could. I know an inspector who traveled around the country testing
everything from factories to companies/organizations that had large motor
pools.
In most cases, it sounded like, they were mainly interested in large scale
violations, as in one instance he related, where a police force had removed all
their cats. I guess my point is, that they do inspect more than just taking
general air quality readings.
NLW TFW NM
Re: "Replacement converters here are between $50-60 each. That's certainly not
thousands... Discount Auto Parts in Miami."
Wow. Almost makes moving to Miami worthwhile.
But here (in NM) and in other places I've checked, a new pair of converters,
installed, costs over $400 (or over a grand at the dealer). A single-converter
substitute runs almost $400. But replacing them every 1,000 miles (plus
waiting many hours for wreckers every third trip), made me start thinking,
"Solve the problem, rather than just replacing converters and calling
wreckers".
And THAT'S where the thousands of dollars came in. After 7 to 8 weeks in five
garages, including a dealer, and several $k, we got nowwhere. It still melts
converters. Ford knows it, but can't fix it. A new engine didn't fix it.
So, sorry, EPA, but I have no choice but to move my converter to a different
location .... to a cardboard box inside my van. THAT fixed my problem.
Mike
Jason
Eugene Nine wrote:
>
> You're still missing my point. I'm not trying to remove a convertor, it
> was removed eight years ago before I even owned the truck. What I am
> wanting to know is there any truth to the rumor about the EPA starting to
> make inspections (heard that at the auto parts store) to see if vehicles
> have the convertors. I think they already do that in some states (CA?)
> with random stops to check emissions. I'm wondering if i will have to
> worry abou that in Ohio in the near future. Should I put a new convertor
> on a nine year old truck with 160k miles?
> Eugene Nine
Find an old Cat from a junk yard.
Paul Skoczylas
Jason wrote:
>
> Find an old Cat from a junk yard.
The convertor on my friend's '85 Toyota pickup crapped out a year or two
ago. They took a steel rod, and smacked the insides out of it, and put
it back on the truck. It therefore looks like it has a convertor, but
it is actually quite useless. I guess it depends on they type of
inspections they do. If they look to see if there's one there, it would
pass, but if they do an emissions test, it would probably fail.
-Paul
altavoz
altavoz
No , it won't fail . Thousands have removed their cats
and passed emmisions . I have done it for many years ,
they have always passed . Hammer/chisel takes hours ,
a hammer drill takes 2 minutes , except for the screen.
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Paul
Walt Dexter
In article <19971014002...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, nlwt...@aol.com
says...
>
>Re: "Replacement converters here are between $50-60 each. That's certainly not
> thousands... Discount Auto Parts in Miami."
>
>Wow. Almost makes moving to Miami worthwhile.
>
>But here (in NM) and in other places I've checked, a new pair of converters,
> installed, costs over $400 (or over a grand at the dealer). A
single-converter
> substitute runs almost $400. But replacing them every 1,000 miles (plus
> waiting many hours for wreckers every third trip), made me start thinking,
> "Solve the problem, rather than just replacing converters and calling
> wreckers".
>
I'm sure you could find a universal converter in a box for $60 in Miami, too.
You're encountering the difference between discount parts store pricing and
shop repair pricing. Kinda like the difference in price for steak at the
discount supermarket or at the best restaurant in town.
Removing your converter, of course, did not solve your problem. It just removed
a symptom. There has to be a engine control/tune problem there somewhere
causing inappropriate stuff to make it to your converter. That doesn't mean
anyone will ever figure it out, of course...... this stuff is just too darn
complicated.
Best,
Walt
Dale Ulan
> The convertor on my friend's '85 Toyota pickup crapped out a year or two
> ago. They took a steel rod, and smacked the insides out of it, and put
> it back on the truck. It therefore looks like it has a convertor, but
> it is actually quite useless. I guess it depends on they type of
> inspections they do. If they look to see if there's one there, it would
> pass, but if they do an emissions test, it would probably fail.
If you car has OBDII (I wish all of them did), if you try that you will
fail a visual because the SES lamp will be glowing all of the time.
-Dale
Walt Dexter
In article <01bcda32$9d651a40$5e2ae5cf@default>, du...@agt.net says...
Well, I don't know about wishing all of them did. I, for one, could certainly
live without my SES idiot light coming on if I miscounted the number of clicks
on the gas cap. (Three, no less, no more. I did four once; the light was on
before I was home, ten minutes away. Stayed on for most of the next day, and
went back off that afternoon.)
Isn't technology great?
Walt
Dale Ulan
> Well, I don't know about wishing all of them did. I, for one, could
certainly
> live without my SES idiot light coming on if I miscounted the number of
clicks
> on the gas cap. (Three, no less, no more. I did four once; the light was
on
> before I was home, ten minutes away. Stayed on for most of the next day,
and
> went back off that afternoon.)
>
> Isn't technology great?
Well, it did get you to fix your gas cap that was leaking gasoline vapour,
didn't it? That was its intent, and it might be annoying, but if we want
to keep the priviledge of driving we might just have to put up with it.
The fumes leaked by a loose gas cap are actually rather substantial.
You might want to check the EPA web site... they have test results
from all of the current cars on file, and they are very interesting.
-Dale