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Can I replace my 185 tires with 195?

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Bill -=Crazyace=- Ellis

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Dec 1, 1994, 7:44:49 PM12/1/94
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I dont think you can. not with out re adjusting the speedometer odometer
and other systems. You may want to talk to a dealer or a master mechanic.
because the 185 or 195 is the height of the tire in centimeters.
I hope this helps you out.

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Eric Zeto

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Dec 2, 1994, 10:37:37 AM12/2/94
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In article <3blqm1$j...@news.nde.state.ne.us>, wel...@esu3.esu3.k12.ne.us
(Bill -=Crazyace=- Ellis) wrote:

> I dont think you can. not with out re adjusting the speedometer odometer
> and other systems. You may want to talk to a dealer or a master mechanic.
> because the 185 or 195 is the height of the tire in centimeters.
> I hope this helps you out.

I didn't read the original article, but the hight of the tire is never
expressed
as a millimeter measurement. In fact, it's never expressed as a explicit
number. Tires are given in terms of tread width, aspect ratio, and inner
diameter:

185 / 70 - 13

the 70 means that the sidewall is 70% of the tire width and the 13 means it
will fit a 13 inch diameter wheel.

Going from a 185 to a 195 tire shouldn't be a problem (a little bit wider)
if you go down in aspect ratio. In other words, if you go from the above
example of 185/70-13 to a 195 tire, it'll be something like a 195/60-13.
That'll maintain the same outside diameter (within 1%) of stock and
there won't be any speedometer changes necessary.
Go to a tire and wheel shop and they can explain and show you what I
mean.

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Mpalmer

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Dec 2, 1994, 11:11:56 AM12/2/94
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In article <3blqm1$j...@news.nde.state.ne.us> wel...@esu3.esu3.k12.ne.us
(Bill -=Crazyace=- Ellis) writes:
>I dont think you can. not with out re adjusting the speedometer odometer
>and other systems. You may want to talk to a dealer or a master mechanic.
>because the 185 or 195 is the height of the tire in centimeters.
>I hope this helps you out.
>

Incorrect. A tire that is labeled as "P205 60R14" is a passenger car tire
(P) that has a nominal section width (cross section) of 205 millimeters
(205), a nominal sidewall height that is 60% of the section width (60), is
a radial construction (R) and is made for a 14" rim (14). There are
variations including speed ratings (e.g. ...60ZR...) and some tires
nowadays don't include some things like the R (radial) spec, but the
basics are here.

If you went from a 185 to a 195 and stayed at the same series tire, then
yes there would be an increase in loaded radius. However, when increasing
the section width of a tire, generally you can go to the next lower series
and end up at the same height. You can also change rim diameter and do
the same thing. It's called "plus-1" or "plus-2" etc. If for example
I took my Z24 and mounted some cool 16 inch Momo rims, I'd probably
have to go from the current P205 60R14 to something like a P225 40R16 or
even a P225 35R16 (if they made such a thing).

In answer to the original poster's question, go ahead and change the
damn tires. It'll be fine. If you were going from a 185 to a 225 or
something I'd be concerned then!


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Jon Louis Peccarelli

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Dec 2, 1994, 7:09:42 PM12/2/94
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From article <3blqm1$j...@news.nde.state.ne.us>, by wel...@esu3.esu3.k12.ne.us (Bill -=Crazyace=- Ellis):

> I dont think you can. not with out re adjusting the speedometer odometer
> and other systems. You may want to talk to a dealer or a master mechanic.
> because the 185 or 195 is the height of the tire in centimeters.
> I hope this helps you out.

WHAT????

185 and 195 refer to the WIDTH of the tire. By appropriately adjusting the
sidewall height, you shouldn't have any problem.

Example: I have 185/60HR14's on my car. 195/55HR14's would be close to the
same height since you are decreasing sidewall percentage height, but the
sidewall height is based on the width (something like 195 wide, 55% of 195
tall). Oh, and tires are measured in MILLIMETERS. Do you not realize how wide
195 centimeters is?


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ch...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

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Dec 3, 1994, 9:57:02 PM12/3/94
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In article <EZETO-021...@47.252.4.37>, EZ...@BNR.CA (Eric Zeto) writes:
> In article <3blqm1$j...@news.nde.state.ne.us>, wel...@esu3.esu3.k12.ne.us
> (Bill -=Crazyace=- Ellis) wrote:
>
>> I dont think you can. not with out re adjusting the speedometer odometer
>> and other systems. You may want to talk to a dealer or a master mechanic.
>> because the 185 or 195 is the height of the tire in centimeters.
>> I hope this helps you out.
>
I didn't read the original post. But I use 195/75R14 instead of 185/75R14
as recommanded (not my choice though, bought the car used and it came like
this.) So I would think it should not be a big problem. The car looks
better in the bigger tires. I still get 30mpg, beat the EPA 29mpg. BTW
my car is 89 Corsica.

I calculated the increase in diameter:
185/75R14: diameter=63.17 cm
195/75R14: diameter=64.67 cm

So it shouldn't be a big factor concerning the speedo.
When speedo says 65, I am actually doing 66.5. Taking account
that speedo usually is 1-2 miles above actual speed, I might just
be doing 65.

troy

Speed Freak

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Dec 5, 1994, 6:09:36 AM12/5/94
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EZ...@BNR.CA (Eric Zeto) writes:

>Going from a 185 to a 195 tire shouldn't be a problem (a little bit wider)
>if you go down in aspect ratio. In other words, if you go from the above
>example of 185/70-13 to a 195 tire, it'll be something like a 195/60-13.
>That'll maintain the same outside diameter (within 1%) of stock and
>there won't be any speedometer changes necessary.
>Go to a tire and wheel shop and they can explain and show you what I
>mean.

You don't even need to worry about profile with a change as small as
this. Example: 195/60 on a 14 inch rim has a diameter only 2% more than
a 185/60 on the same rim. Most speedos are about 5-10% out in the first
place!

Ian
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Andre Hallam

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Dec 4, 1994, 12:09:17 PM12/4/94
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In a previous article, EZ...@BNR.CA (Eric Zeto) says:

>In article <3blqm1$j...@news.nde.state.ne.us>, wel...@esu3.esu3.k12.ne.us
>(Bill -=Crazyace=- Ellis) wrote:
>

>> I dont think you can. not with out re adjusting the speedometer odometer
>> and other systems. You may want to talk to a dealer or a master mechanic.
>> because the 185 or 195 is the height of the tire in centimeters.
>> I hope this helps you out.
>

>I didn't read the original article, but the hight of the tire is never
>expressed
>as a millimeter measurement. In fact, it's never expressed as a explicit
>number. Tires are given in terms of tread width, aspect ratio, and inner
>diameter:
>
> 185 / 70 - 13
>
>the 70 means that the sidewall is 70% of the tire width and the 13 means it
>will fit a 13 inch diameter wheel.
>
>Going from a 185 to a 195 tire shouldn't be a problem (a little bit wider)
>if you go down in aspect ratio. In other words, if you go from the above
>example of 185/70-13 to a 195 tire, it'll be something like a 195/60-13.
>That'll maintain the same outside diameter (within 1%) of stock and
>there won't be any speedometer changes necessary.
>Go to a tire and wheel shop and they can explain and show you what I
>mean.
>

Many tire shops have books which list the actual diameter of different
tires & sizes - it's much easier than working it out.

For instance I was comparing 195-55-14 with 185-60-14 and (depending on
the brand and tread depth) easily saw from my tire dealer's books that
the actual diameters were within about 1/4" - not worth worrying
about as far as the speedo is concerned.

Now, if only I could figure out how to go with a wider tire without the
tire rubbing on suspension parts...
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Lih-Yen Hsieh

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Dec 6, 1994, 11:47:05 AM12/6/94
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>because the 185 or 195 is the height of the tire in centimeters.
>I hope this helps you out.

This makes me very confused. 185 cm or 195 cm is 6+ feet.

George Jefferson

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Dec 6, 1994, 5:14:23 PM12/6/94
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:>because the 185 or 195 is the height of the tire in centimeters.

:>I hope this helps you out.
:
:This makes me very confused. 185 cm or 195 cm is 6+ feet.

the number is the *width* in milimeters


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Dick Brewster

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Dec 7, 1994, 12:46:53 AM12/7/94
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Lih-Yen Hsieh (l...@shore.net) wrote:
: >because the 185 or 195 is the height of the tire in centimeters.

: >I hope this helps you out.

: This makes me very confused. 185 cm or 195 cm is 6+ feet.

Isn't this sci.pickup.4wd.bigfoot.jjmachoballs. ????
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acss...@eku.acs.eku.edu

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Dec 13, 1994, 10:06:23 AM12/13/94
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In article <EZETO-021...@47.252.4.37>, EZ...@BNR.CA (Eric Zeto) writes:
> In article <3blqm1$j...@news.nde.state.ne.us>, wel...@esu3.esu3.k12.ne.us
> (Bill -=Crazyace=- Ellis) wrote:
>
>> I dont think you can. not with out re adjusting the speedometer odometer
>> and other systems. You may want to talk to a dealer or a master mechanic.
>> because the 185 or 195 is the height of the tire in centimeters.
>> I hope this helps you out.
>
> I didn't read the original article, but the hight of the tire is never
> expressed
> as a millimeter measurement. In fact, it's never expressed as a explicit
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> number. Tires are given in terms of tread width, aspect ratio, and inner
^^^^^^

This is correct for this sizing system. But in the US, truck tires are
available by height, width and rim size... 30X9.50-15.

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brittany.se...@gmail.com

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I had to have one bad so I let them replace my 185 with a 195 and I'm back the next day my car pulled horribly to that side and jumped all over the road so I wouldn't try it unless you know for sure

Sanity Clause

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brittany.se...@gmail.com wrote:

> I had to have one bad so I let them replace my 185 with a 195 and I'm back the next day my car pulled horribly to that side and jumped all over the road so I wouldn't try it unless you know for sure

Ummm... it's been 24 years since that first post (01/12/1994) .

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.autos.tech/mDuv_Gt648E

I'm pretty sure they already decided one way or the other. :)


thekma...@gmail.com

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May 10, 2018, 9:53:11 PM5/10/18
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Sanity Clause:

But wouldn't you love to see a six-FOOT wide
tire? LMAO!

thekma...@gmail.com

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brittney wrote: "I had to have one bad so I let them replace my 185 with a 195 and I'm back the next day my car pulled
horribly to that side and jumped all over the road so I wouldn't try it unless you know for sure "

Lesson learned: Wider tires are more easily 'yanked' away from
a straight-ahead. I advocate nothing wider than a 65-series
(aspect ratio) tire for most passenger applications. Will track
straighter and return from turns quicker than a 55 or 45-series,
which is mainly for looks.

Martin Pison

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Nov 16, 2020, 2:57:00 AM11/16/20
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mm (millimeters), not cm (centimeters).

Dylan Radtke

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