The worst oil filter to get off-- Lincoln Mark VIII
ROB485YPD
filter on a Lincoln Mark VIII ? Geez it seems like Ford put the engine in the
car and then realized that they had to make a special cutout area just so the
oil filter could fit. They have it buried in a little cubbyhole. Makes it
almost impossible to get a filter cap on it. Forget about using a filter
wrench. Then there is so little room to work the filter out of its cubbyhole.
Its ridiculous. Anyone else agree.
mey...@my-dejanews.com
Let the mechanic skin his knuckles getting it off <g>.
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Da...@oregon.edu
arm out of the way.
ROB485YPD
>Let the mechanic skin his knuckles getting it off <g>.<BR>
That would be fine except I don't have any faith in the local Lincoln dealers
oil change monkeys who get paid $6.00 an hour. They don't care what type of car
that they are working on. To them its the same as a Pinto.
ROB485YPD
>arm out of the way.<BR>
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This doesnt apply to the Mark VIII.
Ju...@erau.edu
the steering is out of the way.
BTW, is this your car, or are you a Tech posting for advice?
Techs DO NOT get paid 6.00/hr.!
the fly
And it's the Pitman arm, not the idler.
Da...@Oregon.edu (Da...@Oregon.edu) wrote:
>As with any 4.6l, hard right with the steering wheel to get the idler
Tom Saunders
>
> I replaced mine last week on my 95 Mark VIII LSC without much of a problem.
> I didn't have a wrench; since I felt I would never change my own oil again
> once I bought the Mark VIII and gave the wrench away. So I just jacked up
> the car enough to get myself under and wrapped a rag around it and twisted it
> off by hand. It was slow going but little by little I got it loose and
> replaced the oil and filter with 6 quarts of Mobile One synthetic. I didn't
> think about turning the wheel so I don't know if that would have made it any
> easier. It's been a few years since I had changed my own oil but it was not
> really that much worse than any of the other cars I've had over the years.
> Good luck
>
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Peter Sheriff
pain to get off.
The first is a 90 Cavalier. You have to either remove a plastic shield in the
wheel well to get at it or struggle to get your hand into a spot that is just not
big enough to fit your hand AND the filter. Whichever way you do it, you get oil
pouring out over the frame.
The other is a 93 Escort LXE. The filter on this engine (1.8 L) is right up under
the intake manifold towards the firewall. The only way to reach it is to lie
under the car and reach up. Since the oil should be warm when you drain it, the
exhaust system is usually quite hot and right where your arm is:-( The oil from
the filter spills down the back of the engine and over part of the exhaust
system. The car usually smokes for the first few miles after an oil change.
Pete
Gael McGibbon
cruise diaphragm etc and since you almost needed a compound fracture of
the right wrist to reach it in the first place, by the time you had it
loose, dropped it, relocated it and snaked it by the cruise (curse?)
control there was a quart of used oil laying in the belly pan. I truly
believe that Saab are jet fighter designers as they proudly proclaim.
Daniel J Stern
Yeah, but yer not followin' the PROCEDURE!
OIL FILTER REMOVAL
SAAB VEHICLES:
1) Remove engine
<snip rest of procedure>
BATTERY REMOVAL
SAAB VEHICLES:
1) Remove engine
<snip rest of procedure>
TIRE ROTATION
SAAB VEHICLES:
1) Remove engine
<snip rest of procedure>
TAILLAMP BULB REPLACEMENT
SAAB VEHICLES:
1) Remove engine
<snip rest of procedure>
etc.
--Daniel
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Hmetal1
things even tougher with its new 5-cylinder, placing it directly between the
intake manifold and cylinder head. Not only do you need a triple-jointed
wrist, but you also need to avoid being burnt by both metal pieces (which are
invariably hot) and an exteremely slim hand with long fingers to reach it.
Then, the customer comes back asking why smoke s coming from under the hood,
and you have to take time to show him/her where the oil filter is and explain
why you could not avoid getting half a quart of oil on the engine. (As a
mechanic, time is money.) Other vehicles are not much easier. Jeep recently
redesigned its heater core placement so you wouldn't have to worry too much
about breaking some transmission control wires while removing the filter on
their 6 cylinder and V-8 Cherokee and Grand Cherokee models, for one instance.
Markus Wandel
- engine
- intake plumbing
- engine mount
- A/C compressor
- wheel well wall
If you've counted, that leaves just one side, and that's from behind, to get
at it you merely need to get around the steering linkage and the starter
motor. There are not enough joints in an arm to get a good grip on the
filter with your hand, and there is no room to work with a standard oil
filter remover (the kind that tightens a band around it.) I suspect the
right tool is one of those things that slips over the top and takes a socket
wrench handle, but even then you're working from underneath, skinning your
elbow, and getting dirty and sore up to your shoulder.
Grease monkey 1 to grease monkey 2: How the heck do you get that filter off?
I grinning: Why do you think I'm here?
--
Markus Wandel Ottawa Ont. Canada (613) 592-1225
mar...@pinetree.org <-- NOT 'mwa...@bnr.ca' (that's for work only)
*** DISCLAIMER *** Not speaking for or representing my employer in any way.
BowlHead19
95 and newer cavalier and sunfire with a 2.2l and an automatic is a hardcore
pain to get off. Also you have to toss the filter back through where the
exhaust goes over the cradle to get it out. big time pain on the ground
bh...@ic.net
I have a '94 Mark VIII and have a hell of a time getting mine off... so what's
the trick you learned?
Neal
ROB485YPD
>the trick you learned?<BR
I'll second that, whats the trick?
Rodney A Schmidt
it was, but the worst I have seen was on a Quad 4 engine. The filter
was mounted underneath the intake manifold with the threaded base
on the underside of the filter. To get the damn filter off, I had to
reach inbetween a couple of belts, then loosed the filter by hand
because there wasn't enough space for the normal filter wrench. Once
the filter was loose from the base, the oil ran all over the back side
of the engine and wouldn't stop leaving little drip spots on the
driveway for about a week. I always had to change these because my
Dad's arms were too big to fit between the belts. We had access to a
hoist, but there was no way to reach the filter from underneath.
Luckily we only had one customer with this set up, and they were a very
good customer, otherwise I think we'd refuse to do the oil change. I
would have really enjoyed meeting the engineer who designed that system.
-Rod
Brian Fistler
rob4...@aol.com says...
> Has anyone else found it extremely difficult to remove and replace the oil
> filter on a Lincoln Mark VIII ?
Worst car I've ever had to get oil filter off was 1985 VW Golf Diesel.
Actually getting it off was easy, getting it out of it's "cage" was the
problem... you had to remove two bolts that held two "mounting brackets"
for the power steering hoses to get the filter out the the engine
compartment, or you could remove the air compressonr pump... Either way,
it was a *pain*... After the 4th oil chainge, I finally decided that the
power steering hoses didn't *really* need those two brackets... Made it
much easier to change the oil every 3K miles.
Brian
BowlHead19
Those mark VIII'S are a real pain also, but do see a lot of them so i have a
trick. Another oil filter nightmare is the 95 and up cavalier/sunfire with the
2.2l and 4 speed auto. you can get it off ok but to get it out of the car you
have to toss it back over the cradle where the exhaust goes through.
ROB485YPD
>trick.
What is the trick you use to get the oil filter off a Mark VIII. Thanks
Robert
Brian Fistler
bowlh...@aol.com says...
> wow sounds like good old VW doesn't want you changing the oil on their cars.
> 2.2l and 4 speed auto. you can get it off ok but to get it out of the car you
> have to toss it back over the cradle where the exhaust goes through.
>
full of gunk from tossing it back up?
Brian
TRamian
>> 2.2l and 4 speed auto.
I agree, I used to change the oil in my mom's Sunbird sometimes. Till a drunk
driver hit my sister while she was coming home from work. The worst part was
using a fiter wrench to remove the oil filter while the exhaust is still hot.
I've burnt myself on the exhaust a few times.
Tom