Why do horns in small cars sound so weak and small?
John R Laplante
Big cars have horns that make 'big sounds.' Loud. Full.
Small cars have horns that make 'small sounds.' "tinny." "beep beep".
I thought of this yesterday when I was driving my big old buick,
and had a need for the horn. I thought "i'm glad i'm driving this
car, rather than my Camry." The camry is not a small car, but
it still has a small car "beep beep" sound...
So.. the question is: what are the determinants of the sound of
cars? Why do the horns on small cars sound as they are?
Is it because the engine compartment is smaller? Is the horn
smaller? Not powered as much? Do new big cars still have
that sounds that you get from the big old cars?
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Don T. Borowski
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: Big cars have horns that make 'big sounds.' Loud. Full.
: Small cars have horns that make 'small sounds.' "tinny." "beep beep".
:
: I thought of this yesterday when I was driving my big old buick,
: and had a need for the horn. I thought "i'm glad i'm driving this
: car, rather than my Camry." The camry is not a small car, but
: it still has a small car "beep beep" sound...
:
: So.. the question is: what are the determinants of the sound of
: cars? Why do the horns on small cars sound as they are?
: Is it because the engine compartment is smaller? Is the horn
: smaller? Not powered as much? Do new big cars still have
: that sounds that you get from the big old cars?
To same money (and a bit of weight), a lot of small cars come with just
a single horn. A lot of the old Detroit iron had two horns tuned to
different notes. This is probably the biggest difference in the sound.
The solution is easy. Just go down to the local junk yard, and get
the horns off some old Detroit iron. Wire them up, and get that
good old satisfying sound.
Donald Borowski WA6OMI Hewlett-Packard, Spokane Division
"Angels are able to fly because they take themselves so lightly."
-G.K. Chesterton
Christopher Ice x2136
If, right before the accident, you hear the horn of the other car, you can
decide who's going to win.
- If it's the typical Japanese, "meeep meeep"...you're set.
- If it's the european twin tone...it's going to be moving fast but won't have
the momentum to back it up...you call it.
- If it's the Buick Estate Wagon "HOOOONNNNKKKKK"...you're dead.
- If it's an air horn...it'll be a closed casket funeral.
Chris
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Steven Lindell
jlap...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
>Big cars have horns that make 'big sounds.' Loud. Full.
>Small cars have horns that make 'small sounds.' "tinny." "beep beep".
I have a medium size car with a full sounding horn. I found out that it
has two horns: one making a high tone, and the other a lower tone. When
my low horn failed, it sounded just like your car probably does.
Steven Lindell slin...@haverford.edu
stephen baker wright
>John R Laplante (jlap...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>:
>: Big cars have horns that make 'big sounds.' Loud. Full.
>: Small cars have horns that make 'small sounds.' "tinny." "beep beep".
>:
>: I thought of this yesterday when I was driving my big old buick,
>: and had a need for the horn. I thought "i'm glad i'm driving this
>: car, rather than my Camry." The camry is not a small car, but
>: it still has a small car "beep beep" sound...
>:
>: So.. the question is: what are the determinants of the sound of
>: cars? Why do the horns on small cars sound as they are?
>: Is it because the engine compartment is smaller? Is the horn
>: smaller? Not powered as much? Do new big cars still have
>: that sounds that you get from the big old cars?
>
>It is because someone has designed it that way.
>
>To same money (and a bit of weight), a lot of small cars come with just
>a single horn. A lot of the old Detroit iron had two horns tuned to
>different notes. This is probably the biggest difference in the sound.
>
>The solution is easy. Just go down to the local junk yard, and get
>the horns off some old Detroit iron. Wire them up, and get that
>good old satisfying sound.
>
like the perfect way to beef up the sound from my Toyota Celica. I got
my hands on an old Ford horn and proceeded to wire it up. Great, except
the Ford horn grounds to the chassis and operates by feeding a hot to it.
The Toyota horn is insulated, and pressing the horn button *grounds* it,
completing the circuit and making the noise. I didn't have the patience
to modify the Ford horn or to go searching for one that worked the same
as the Toyota, so I still sound like a sick duck.
Stephen B. Wright
sbwr...@midway.uchicago.edu
Graham E. Thomas
>Big cars have horns that make 'big sounds.' Loud. Full.
>Small cars have horns that make 'small sounds.' "tinny." "beep beep".
>So.. the question is: what are the determinants of the sound of
>cars? Why do the horns on small cars sound as they are?
>Is it because the engine compartment is smaller? Is the horn
>smaller? Not powered as much? Do new big cars still have
>that sounds that you get from the big old cars?
I think most of it has to do with the car's country of origin. The
Mitsubishi cab/chassis (as seen as delivery trucks and wreckers) that
has become popular lately has a wimpy horn. In Europe, I'd say nearly
all the cars have a 'beep beep' sound, even Mercedes.
But American cars of all sizes have
a 'honk honk,' including the Ford Escort.
I can't belive that I just wrote a whole paragraph on horn sounds...
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eliot
this may sound silly, but i've always thought that country of origin
played a part in the horn sound. depending on the culture, there may
be varying levels of aggresiveness in asserting your presence.
comments?
eliot
Frank Reid
jlap...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
>Big cars have horns that make 'big sounds.' Loud. Full.
>Small cars have horns that make 'small sounds.' "tinny." "beep beep".
Japanese cars seem to have especially wimpy horns that go "geek geek."
Maybe the Japanese consider loud horns impolite or uncivilized (or maybe
they're just cheap).
My cousin overhauls diesel locomotives. I asked him how much air pressure
is needed to blow the horns. He said only about 15 psi. Anticipating my
next question, he said that the array weighs 70 pounds and is too large to
get in his lunchbox. :-)
Here is a way to make a crummy horn more effective without replacing it:
Get a large 12-volt relay (Ray D. O'Shack has good ones). Connect the coil
in series with the normally-closed contacts to make a buzzer. Connect a
large capacitor (about 2000 microfarads; experiment for proper value) in
parallel with the coil. This slows the buzzer so that instead of "buzz" it
goes "click-click-click-click... Connect the relay/buzzer power terminals
to the horn button. Connect the normally-open relay contacts (or the other
set of contacts, depending on how your horn circuit works) to the horn. You
now have a horn with that "full-auto" sound! It's especially appropriate if
you drive an Isuzu or Suzuki with the name plate modified to "UZI." :-)
(The "I" in Uzi is made by covering the right half of the U.)
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David Peter John Lucas
>
>Big cars have horns that make 'big sounds.' Loud. Full.
>Small cars have horns that make 'small sounds.' "tinny." "beep beep".
>
>So.. the question is: what are the determinants of the sound of
>cars? Why do the horns on small cars sound as they are?
>Is it because the engine compartment is smaller? Is the horn
>smaller? Not powered as much? Do new big cars still have
>that sounds that you get from the big old cars?
There is no physical connection between big horns and big cars. I had
a '73 Datsun 1200 (small car!) which had a definate HONK HONK. Loud enough,
infact that I wanted to keep it when I bought my current beep beep big car.
I have a feeling that certain companies (esp. Japanese?) are simply making
a decision to put "kinder, gentler" horns in their cars (starting in the late
70's ??) Maybe small horns are simply cheaper??
-dave
Dale Maurice
: Big cars have horns that make 'big sounds.' Loud. Full.
: Small cars have horns that make 'small sounds.' "tinny." "beep beep".
Simple answer I'd think. The higher pitched sound of the 'meep meep'
horn travels better than the nice full note of the 'honk honk' horn.
Easier to make out in traffic, and if you listen to the stero loud :-)
BTW, just my opinion, I'm not physisist. See I can't even spell it.
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In a previous article, cm...@mke.ab.com (Christopher Ice x2136) says:
>- If it's the typical Japanese, "meeep meeep"...you're set.
>- If it's the european twin tone...it's going to be moving fast but won't have
> the momentum to back it up...you call it.
>- If it's the Buick Estate Wagon "HOOOONNNNKKKKK"...you're dead.
>- If it's an air horn...it'll be a closed casket funeral.
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Chris, your post reminded me of a friend who put an air horn in his
little Mini Morris when we were in high school.
He had no trouble getting large cars to move, usually tourists going
too slow. It seemed funny then; I don't think I would appreciate
someone doing that to me now.
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Steven W. Engle
>John R Laplante (jlap...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>:
>: Big cars have horns that make 'big sounds.' Loud. Full.
>: Small cars have horns that make 'small sounds.' "tinny." "beep beep".
> A lot of the old Detroit iron had two horns tuned to
> different notes. This is probably the biggest difference in the sound.
My Dad's 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SE had a pair of horns mounted directly
behind the front grill, instead of buried under the hood somewhere.
They were LOUD, when you tooted that horn, everyone knew you where
there! I've been told that Benz conducted quite an extensive study
to determine which tonal pairs were most attention getting and then
used those tones in their horns.
Alas, the car is no longer. I wrapped it around an oak tree back in
1984. :-( It was a great car.
Steve Engle
sen...@blkbox.com
Robert Martel
: My Dad's 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SE had a pair of horns mounted directly
: behind the front grill, instead of buried under the hood somewhere.
: They were LOUD, when you tooted that horn, everyone knew you where
: there! I've been told that Benz conducted quite an extensive study
: to determine which tonal pairs were most attention getting and then
: used those tones in their horns.
: Alas, the car is no longer. I wrapped it around an oak tree back in
: 1984. :-( It was a great car.
Hmmm,wasn't loud enough to get the tree to get the hell out
of the way.
Anyway, I've been told - have no proof to back it up - that noise
pollution regulations had played a part in the use of "low noise" horns
on cars. Seems slightly silly - quiet horns - to get someone's attention.
-Bob (who misses his '67 Chevelle with nine horns - two of them air)
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Christopher Ice x2136
full blown horn...all we want to do is get someone's attention. Like at a red
light that suddenly turns green. You don't want to let the guy in front of you
have it all at once...you just want to go "ahem". So, she suggested that cars
be equipped with two horns. The "ahem" horn and the "hey a**hole" horn.
Steve Bender
> A comedian on the Comedy Channel suggested that most often we don't need the
> full blown horn...all we want to do is get someone's attention. Like at a red
> light that suddenly turns green. You don't want to let the guy in front of you
> have it all at once...you just want to go "ahem". So, she suggested that cars
> be equipped with two horns. The "ahem" horn and the "hey a**hole" horn.
equipped with two sets of horns... the "city" (read "pardon me chap") horn
and the "country" ("bloody ****!") horn. Alvis and Rolls Royce come to
mind here.
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Carlee Connet
And if you want more satisfaction than that, get a set of
air horns and hook them up, either through the standard
horn method, or hook up a switch on the dash for those
times when you really need a *better* horn.
Beep beep!
Carlee
David Peter John Lucas
>A comedian on the Comedy Channel suggested that most often we don't need the
>full blown horn...all we want to do is get someone's attention. Like at a red
>light that suddenly turns green. You don't want to let the guy in front of you
>have it all at once...you just want to go "ahem". So, she suggested that cars
>be equipped with two horns. The "ahem" horn and the "hey a**hole" horn.
>
>Chris
Likewise, I've always thought we should have two sets of brake lights:
1) Regular brightness meaning "I'm slowing down"
2) VERY bright meaning "HOLLLLLY SHEEEEEYIT" (skid-crunch)
How about two sets of signal lights:
1) I'm turning in direction X
2) I'm turning in direction Y but I have been
signalling in direction X for 20 miles.
And of course everyone seems to have a different interprataion of what a yellow traffic light means....
-dave
vlasis theodore
> In article <CDv5I...@spk.hp.com>, boro...@spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski) wri
G.Witney catalog has fog horns for boats that kick out 140 db.
I always wanted to put one on my Huinday.
I remember when I was in high school in Greece, I
put one of those fog horns on my moped.
I would put my moped in neutral and coast next to people.
When I would get very close to them I would blast the horn,
and the people would do an instant 7 foot leap ...
No flames please, I older and wiser now (OK just older) I am sure we all
did similar motor pranks when we were young.
Vlasis
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Ron Bean
>In article <2877ah...@scarecrow.mke.ab.com> cm...@mke.ab.com (Christopher Ice x2136) writes:
>>A comedian on the Comedy Channel suggested that most often we don't need the
>>full blown horn...all we want to do is get someone's attention. Like at a red
>>light that suddenly turns green. You don't want to let the guy in front of you
>>have it all at once...you just want to go "ahem". So, she suggested that cars
>>be equipped with two horns. The "ahem" horn and the "hey a**hole" horn.
don't care what it sounds like.
>Likewise, I've always thought we should have two sets of brake lights:
> 1) Regular brightness meaning "I'm slowing down"
> 2) VERY bright meaning "HOLLLLLY SHEEEEEYIT" (skid-crunch)
experiments with several other systems, including multiple-light
systems where more lights lit up as you slowed down, or flashing
lights that flashed faster as you slowed down (the latter was
actually marketed briefly). I seem to recall them being based on
speed rather than the rate of deceleration, but I could be wrong
about that. There's an SAE paper somewhere about this. They
decided that the "3rd light" was the only one that made enough
difference to be worth it.
>And of course everyone seems to have a different interprataion of what a
>yellow traffic light means....
seconds of red both ways, to allow time for people who don't stop
for yellow lights.
Part of the problem is the lights that are controlled by
sensor-loops, and switch back and forth depending on traffic
rather than a predictable timed sequence. This means that you
can't predict how long the green will last, and I find myself
running yellow lights that I think "should" have been green.
The system only "knows" about cars that are actually waiting at
the light, and not about the ones that are a block away when the
light turns green (and then red again-- arrgh!).
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When air bags become standard it will be interesting as they will most likely
put the horn on the stalk making it practically useless for frustration relief.
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>When air bags become standard it will be interesting as they will most likely
>put the horn on the stalk making it practically useless for frustration relief.
I don't know about that. Mine (Dodge) has buttons next to the air bag cover,
but many cars have the horn switch built into the air bag cover. Of course,
this probably raises the price of getting your air bag restuffed even higher
...
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My thoughts, probably not Harris'.
Andrew Reid
>
>-> Before the "3rd brake light" was required, there were
>-> experiments with several other systems, including multiple-light
> ....
>
> There were NO valid studies of the third brake light before it was made
>into law. Diane Steed did it of her own initiative, based on a report
>which claimed that taxicabs and police cars - which often had extra
>lights mounted on the parcel shelf - ...
>
> [third brake lights] ... are probably a
>serious *detriment* to safety.
>
I can't speak to the issue of whether there were studies, but I
have found the 3rd brake lights to help the situation.
With the headlights on, and with the 3rd brake light, the tail-lights
actually change configuration when the brakes are applied, instead of
just changing brightness in the same configuration. In fog, or heavy
rain, where brightness/distance cues are confusing or absent, I've
found this helpful.
Just a data point, not a study. (Although I personally have had no
accidents since the 3rd brakelight was introduced, whereas I did
have one before... :-) :-) )
> ... GM got an exemption for their doofus vans
>with the taillights five feet off the ground; they might as well not
>even HAVE any taillights.
Agreed. *Those* things sure look strange in the rain...
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-> Before the "3rd brake light" was required, there were
-> experiments with several other systems, including multiple-light
-> lights that flashed faster as you slowed down (the latter was
-> actually marketed briefly). I seem to recall them being based on
-> speed rather than the rate of deceleration, but I could be wrong
-> about that. There's an SAE paper somewhere about this. They
-> decided that the "3rd light" was the only one that made enough
-> difference to be worth it.
There were NO valid studies of the third brake light before it was made
into law. Diane Steed did it of her own initiative, based on a report
which claimed that taxicabs and police cars - which often had extra
lights mounted on the parcel shelf - were less likely to be rear ended
than ordinary cars. I'm sure the report was right - taxis are likely to
stop right in front of you, so you tend to watch for them. Ramming a
marked police car from behind is pretty stupid even for the average
driver.
There *were* some tests done in the late '60s on decel lights and the
like. The problem is, lots of dumbasses "pedal" their cars - on the
gas, off the gas, on the gas, hit the brake, on the gas... or put one
foot on the brake, one on the gas, and modulate speed with the brake
pedal. Don't laugh - it keeps the brake shops in business.
There are not, and have never been, any valid studies of the third high
brake light. I have a letter (yes, a real, hardcopy letter) from Ms.
Steed, in which she claims, "if only one life is saved, this legislation
will have been successful." I guess she doesn't care about how
confusing the extra lights are in traffic, where they are probably a
serious *detriment* to safety.
In fact, NASA and the FAA have done a number of studies on "hot zone"
perception. Most drivers are used to looking from 18 to 24 inches above
the ground, where most brake lights are. They don't even SEE the third
brake light in ordinary driving. It's not in the hot zone. The old DOT
understood this, which is why there were taillight height laws to start
with. Alas, the dickwads at GM got an exemption for their doofus vans
with the taillights five feet off the ground; they might as well not
even HAVE any taillights.
The DOT sponsored some studies of strobe brake lights back in the '60s
and early '70s. Instead of a steady red light, the taillights flashed
rapidly. The more pressure on the pedal, the faster they strobed. This
system proved to be not very effective, and besides, it pissed people
off. Strobe systems are marketed today for retrofit to motorcyclists,
but motorcyclists who piss off cagers don't live long.
Jason A. Reiser
>A comedian on the Comedy Channel suggested that most often we don't need the
>full blown horn...all we want to do is get someone's attention. Like at a red
>light that suddenly turns green. You don't want to let the guy in front of you
>have it all at once...you just want to go "ahem". So, she suggested that cars
>be equipped with two horns. The "ahem" horn and the "hey a**hole" horn.
draw a little more current than a standard horn, you'll set them up
with a relay to derive power from the battery. When you just tap the
horn quickly, the relay will not trip at all... but if you lean into
the horn, about .25 seconds after pressing it, the air horn kicks
in... thus, the "hey asshole" horn.
- Jason
Ron Bean
>-> Before the "3rd brake light" was required, there were
>-> experiments with several other systems, including multiple-light
>-> systems where more lights lit up as you slowed down, or flashing
>into law. Diane Steed did it of her own initiative, based on a report
>which claimed that taxicabs and police cars - which often had extra
>lights mounted on the parcel shelf - were less likely to be rear ended
anyone know if they did any research on it? Any volunteers to
look up that SAE paper and see what it really says? (It would
have been published before 1985, because that's when I read it).
I assume the taxicabs had the extra lights because in
bumper-to-bumper city traffic, their normal taillights would be
below your line of sight (this is probably less of a problem now
that cars have more steeply sloping hoods). Note that this is
different from a single center-mounted light; if this was the
inspiration for the law, then why the change?
I've heard some people claim that the 3rd brake light is
useless because people will get used to it (implying that it
depends on the novelty factor).
Omid Ramin
>different from a single center-mounted light; if this was the
>inspiration for the law, then why the change?
> I've heard some people claim that the 3rd brake light is
>useless because people will get used to it (implying that it
>depends on the novelty factor).
I find that another thing that's good about the extra brake light
is that it's ONLY on when your brakes are. With the other lights,
if you have your lights on, they become brighter when you hit the
brakes, but it's sometimes hard to tell...
Scott Leapman
I love the 3rd brake light! When driving in traffic, I always keep an eye on
the brake lights of the car in front of the car immediately in front of me (2nd
car up.) I base my speed and braking distance not only on the car in front of
me, but car in front of him/her too. This is also why I HATE driving behind
trucks/vans (I have a small sporty car.) Anyway, I really appreciate the fact
that the 3rd brake light can usually be seen through a car's windows, whereas
the regular lights can't.
Just my HO.
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>full blown horn...all we want to do is get someone's attention. Like at a red
>light that suddenly turns green. You don't want to let the guy in front of you
>have it all at once...you just want to go "ahem". So, she suggested that cars
>be equipped with two horns. The "ahem" horn and the "hey a**hole" horn.
I the 1950's, the Reault Dauphine had a City/Country horn. I think they
were required by French law and they didn't bother changing them for
U.S. sales. Compared to contemporary Detroit horns, both levels of
the Dauphine were pretty punky. The radio ads used the horn sound
as a signature: "Ren-ALT Doff-EEN, beep-beep BEEP-BEEP". Notice that
in America it was "Ren-alt" then, not "Ren-oh". Thinking about those
horrible little nightmares makes me grateful for the cars we have now!
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City taxis sound fairly quiet. I would bet that they equipped the cabs
this way because the drivers abuse and overuse their horns. This is on
large cars, Chevrolet Caprices.
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Even better here in Canada they were toying around with mounting a brake light
on the front of the car! This would be especially useful for left turns in
intersections (is that oncoming car going to stop?) as well as for pedestrians.
butler mike
> John R Laplante (jlap...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
> :
> : I thought of this yesterday when I was driving my big old buick,
> : and had a need for the horn. I thought "i'm glad i'm driving this
> : car, rather than my Camry." The camry is not a small car, but
> : it still has a small car "beep beep" sound...
> :
> : Is it because the engine compartment is smaller? Is the horn
> : smaller? Not powered as much? Do new big cars still have
> : that sounds that you get from the big old cars?
Wade Garrett
And the little horn sound fits right in...being polite and not adding to
noise pollution ;-)
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The Real Bev
>> The solution is easy. Just go down to the local junk yard, and get
>> the horns off some old Detroit iron. Wire them up, and get that
>> good old satisfying sound.
should have done that. I don't think you're required to have a horn
when you turn it in to be crushed.
OTOH, the horn probably didn't work either :-(
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Scott Dorsey
>On 10/23/20 4:34 PM, butler mike wrote:
>> On Friday, September 24, 1993 at 10:56:37 AM UTC-4, Don T. Borowski wrote:
>>> John R Laplante (jlap...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>>> :
>>> : Big cars have horns that make 'big sounds.' Loud. Full.
>>> : Small cars have horns that make 'small sounds.' "tinny." "beep beep".
>
>And the little horn sound fits right in...being polite and not adding to
>noise pollution ;-)
the way they did in 1993, and small cheaply-made car doors don't sound
tinny any longer. Toyota got some acoustical guys in to look at making
small cars sound more solid, and the rest of the industry followed along
very quickly back in the nineties.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."