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What is the difference between 9mm and 8mm plug wires?
The vehicle in question has a 1981 Ford 302 V8 with a 2-bbl carburetor
and has the Duraspark ignition. It currently has 8mm plug wires with
Motorcraft Copper plugs. The only cost-effective 8mm wires are from
Accel, and Ford Racing has a set of 9mm wires for the same price. Can I
use the 9mm wires on my Duraspark ignition?

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>What is the difference between 9mm and 8mm plug wires?

Uh 1mm. Sorry I had to.
No real difference on a stock vehicle.
The race car wires are always thicker than stock for the extra volts the coils
put out to keep all the spark in the wire and no jumping.
anything 7.5 and up will work the same on a relatively stock engine.

hootnholler

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Your answer in a nutshell.... Less resistance. Most thicker wires are used
for racing applications with high output coils. Given that you have a
Duraspark coil system, I would go for it. Actually, there should be no
problem. You might get a slight increase in performance.

I won't go into Ohm's law....:+)


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> What is the difference between 9mm and 8mm plug wires?

Steve Bigelow

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Can you tell us how a larger insulator lowers resistance?

hootnholler wrote in message ...

MR

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Heeheehee...Good thing he didn't "go into Ohm's Law". Could've gotten ugly.


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Ok thanks, I'm not really interested in "gaining" power from changing
the plug wires (like rice boys do) but rather I'm looking to get wires
that are less expensive than a $80 set of Motorcraft 8mm wires. Thanks!

eraser

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Forgot to ask: do you happen to know if the wire set will fit my
application? Are the distances the same from the plug to the distributor
on the EFI 5.0/5.8s (I'm assuming the Ford Racing 9mm wires are for EFI
5.0/5.8s)?

AJDalton7

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>Can you tell us how a larger insulator lowers resistance?

It raises the resistance of the spark from jumping somewhere else than the
plug.
Nothin' ta do wit' ohms. Jus' resistance !!

Kevin Mouton

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eraser wrote:
>
> What is the difference between 9mm and 8mm plug wires?
> The vehicle in question has a 1981 Ford 302 V8 with a 2-bbl carburetor
> and has the Duraspark ignition. It currently has 8mm plug wires with
> Motorcraft Copper plugs. The only cost-effective 8mm wires are from
> Accel, and Ford Racing has a set of 9mm wires for the same price. Can I
> use the 9mm wires on my Duraspark ignition?
>
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> charlie
> era...@cybernex.net
> http://www2.cybernex.net/~eraser
>
> "There's no such thing as too much torque."

There is no benefit to using 9 mm wires on your application. You may
actually find that the thicker wires will not fit properly in the
separators and wind up dangling on to the hot manifolds to be ruined. In
general it is hard to find a better fitting, longer lasting set of plug
wires than the factory original.
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eraser

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I'm not looking for a performance increase with 9mm wires, but if you
say that 9mm wires won't work as good, will using Accel Super Stocks
(8mm) be just as good as the originals? The 8mm Motorcraft wires are
running me around $50 to $80, and I figure Ford Racing wires should be
just as good. Plus the current wire separators are already useless, my
wires can't even touch the manifolds if they wanted to.

eraser

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BTW this is on a Duraspark (not sure if it's 1 or 2) electronic
breakerless ignition system, and I'm using Motorcraft ASF-52C copper
plugs.

CaptainKrunch

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Your performance gain will be nill. The reason for the thicker and colored
wires is basically what you mentioned before about the rice boys doing
it. Basically just for show. When you have some super trick motor and
some serious compression with lots more fuel going into the cylinders,
you generally need a higher voltage secondary ignition system to keep
up with the electrical demands of the plugs in that nasty enviroment.
Therefore you need more insulation to keep the voltage in the wires.

The colored insulation is generally silicone and the thicker wires
just have more insulation with not necessarily a thicker core. Also
the thicker insulation may give more resistance to cuts, abrasions etc
where voltage can leak out and cause a miss or two. If I had to replace
my plug wires I would buy the colored 9mm wires only if they were the same
price as the regular wires or 8mm wires, or if they were maybe $5 bucks
more. Like the other poster said, you may have a problem with the wire
seperators but if the price is all the same I would get the thicker ones
and add a little color to the engine but I certainly wouldn't believe that
my car would go faster. Thats the difference between a know nothing,
magazine reading, bolt on modification, Ricky Racer loser and people
that know what mod's do what for your car.. in reference to the Rice
Boys.


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They are about $50 cheaper than the 8mm wires, like I said in another
post - I wasn't looking for a performance mod, just something that's
cheaper than Motorcraft 8mms and will last longer. Thanks

hootnholler

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The wire should not be an insulator, that is on the outside of the wire.
Picture it as a conduit, the bigger the wire, the less resistance there is
for electricity to flow....

"Steve Bigelow" <sbige...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
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> Can you tell us how a larger insulator lowers resistance?
>

> hootnholler wrote in message ...

> >Your answer in a nutshell.... Less resistance. Most thicker wires are
used
> >for racing applications with high output coils. Given that you have a
> >Duraspark coil system, I would go for it. Actually, there should be no
> >problem. You might get a slight increase in performance.
> >
> >I won't go into Ohm's law....:+)
> >
> >

eraser

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Will the 9mm plug wires fit on ASF-52C spark plugs? Or are all spark
plug wire connectors the same?

Bob

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What Steve wrote, i.e. "larger insulator", does not equate to what hootnholler
wrote, i.e. "thicker wire", hence the question makes no sense. Bob

Steve Bigelow wrote:

> Can you tell us how a larger insulator lowers resistance?
>
> hootnholler wrote in message ...
> >Your answer in a nutshell.... Less resistance. Most thicker wires are used
> >for racing applications with high output coils. Given that you have a
> >Duraspark coil system, I would go for it. Actually, there should be no
> >problem. You might get a slight increase in performance.
> >
> >I won't go into Ohm's law....:+)
> >
> >

Steve Bigelow

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9mm vs. 8mm refers to the outside diameter....not the conductor diameter.

Bob wrote in message <39859F89...@rosenet.net>...

Beavis

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go to pep-boys and get a set of their "lifetime" wires to fit your car and
forget about it.........:)


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> They are about $50 cheaper than the 8mm wires, like I said in another
> post - I wasn't looking for a performance mod, just something that's
> cheaper than Motorcraft 8mms and will last longer. Thanks
>
> > The colored insulation is generally silicone and the thicker
wires
> > just have more insulation with not necessarily a thicker core. Also
> > the thicker insulation may give more resistance to cuts, abrasions etc
> > where voltage can leak out and cause a miss or two. If I had to
replace
> > my plug wires I would buy the colored 9mm wires only if they were the
same
> > price as the regular wires or 8mm wires, or if they were maybe $5
bucks
> > more. Like the other poster said, you may have a problem with the
wire
> > seperators but if the price is all the same I would get the thicker
ones
> > and add a little color to the engine but I certainly wouldn't believe
that
> > my car would go faster. Thats the difference between a know nothing,
> > magazine reading, bolt on modification, Ricky Racer loser and people
> > that know what mod's do what for your car.. in reference to the Rice
> > Boys.

Mike Romain

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Ok, I could be way off base here, but doesn't a better insulator hold
more of the current/voltage inside the wire, thus lowering the
'potential' leakage which shows as resistance?

I thought that is why high performance systems needed them.

Just my thoughts, could be wrong, but that is what I have been led to
understand.

Mike

Steve Bigelow wrote:
>
> 9mm vs. 8mm refers to the outside diameter....not the conductor diameter.
>
> Bob wrote in message <39859F89...@rosenet.net>...
> >What Steve wrote, i.e. "larger insulator", does not equate to what
> hootnholler
> >wrote, i.e. "thicker wire", hence the question makes no sense. Bob
> >
> >Steve Bigelow wrote:
> >
> >> Can you tell us how a larger insulator lowers resistance?
> >>
> >> hootnholler wrote in message ...
> >> >Your answer in a nutshell.... Less resistance. Most thicker wires are
> used
> >> >for racing applications with high output coils. Given that you have a
> >> >Duraspark coil system, I would go for it. Actually, there should be no
> >> >problem. You might get a slight increase in performance.
> >> >
> >> >I won't go into Ohm's law....:+)
> >> >
> >> >

Kevin Mouton

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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Ok, I could be way off base here, but doesn't a better insulator hold
> more of the current/voltage inside the wire, thus lowering the
> 'potential' leakage which shows as resistance?
>
> I thought that is why high performance systems needed them.
>
> Just my thoughts, could be wrong, but that is what I have been led to
> understand.
>
> Mike

See my reply at the bottom of the post.

It seems like you are confusing resistance with insulation. Physically
the same, but used for different purposes. Increasing the amount of
insulation does not increase the resistance of a circuit unless the
original insulation was insufficient and allowing a short circuit. Look
at it this way, if you measure the resistance of a spark plug wire, it
will not increase if you add extra insulation around the conductor.
Extra insulation will just allow a higher voltage to be used without it
leaking through and arcing to ground.
Bottom line, if the old insulation was containing the voltage without
leaking then adding more insulation will not increase the resistance of
the plug wire.

Beavis

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oh ya the differance is 1mm of insulation. almost forgot the original
question.

AJDalton7

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Another way to explain it .
Electricity follows the path of least resistance. If the plug gap is large,
it is harder to jump. [ more resistance]. If going through the insulation is an
easier route to ground , that is where it will go.. So more insulation simply
keeps the electricity
contained better than less insulation.
If you have a low voltage ignition system
and small plug gap, the smaller wires are fine. The High energy coil systems
need
the larger wires due to higher output coils and larger plug gaps.

eraser

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I have a Ford Duraspark ignition (1981) which is an electronic
breakerless ignition. According to Chiltons, it recommends 8mm wires to
contain the high output voltage. My plug gap is 0.05" (ASF-52C), would
you recommend using Ford Racing 9mm wires?

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AJDalton7

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8mm is fine as long as they are of good quality.

Bob

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your inference is that 8 & 9 mm "wires" have the same diameter conductor. yes,
no?
Steve Bigelow wrote:

> 9mm vs. 8mm refers to the outside diameter....not the conductor diameter.
>
> Bob wrote in message <39859F89...@rosenet.net>...
> >What Steve wrote, i.e. "larger insulator", does not equate to what
> hootnholler
> >wrote, i.e. "thicker wire", hence the question makes no sense. Bob
> >
> >Steve Bigelow wrote:
> >
> >> Can you tell us how a larger insulator lowers resistance?
> >>
> >> hootnholler wrote in message ...
> >> >Your answer in a nutshell.... Less resistance. Most thicker wires are
> used
> >> >for racing applications with high output coils. Given that you have a
> >> >Duraspark coil system, I would go for it. Actually, there should be no
> >> >problem. You might get a slight increase in performance.
> >> >
> >> >I won't go into Ohm's law....:+)
> >> >
> >> >

> >> >"eraser" <era...@cybernex.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:39848896...@cybernex.net...
> >> >> What is the difference between 9mm and 8mm plug wires?
> >> >> The vehicle in question has a 1981 Ford 302 V8 with a 2-bbl carburetor
> >> >> and has the Duraspark ignition. It currently has 8mm plug wires with
> >> >> Motorcraft Copper plugs. The only cost-effective 8mm wires are from
> >> >> Accel, and Ford Racing has a set of 9mm wires for the same price. Can
> I
> >> >> use the 9mm wires on my Duraspark ignition?
> >> >>

eraser

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The 9mm wires are the Ford Racing (Ford Motorsport) wires, as opposed to
the $60 Motorcraft 8mm wires.

AJDalton7 wrote:
>
> 8mm is fine as long as they are of good quality.

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Steve Bigelow

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No mention has been made of conductors.


Bob wrote in message <398718EA...@rosenet.net>...

Steve Bigelow

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How long did the original 8mm wires last?


eraser wrote in message <39871FF3...@cybernex.net>...


>The 9mm wires are the Ford Racing (Ford Motorsport) wires, as opposed to
>the $60 Motorcraft 8mm wires.
>
>AJDalton7 wrote:
>>
>> 8mm is fine as long as they are of good quality.
>

eraser

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They are still fine, from the exterior at least. Just a little minor
burns, scratches, etc. The set I'm using now has been on the road for
about 5 years - but less than 5,000 miles of actual use. I ordered the
9mm wires simply because they are less expensive than the Motorcraft 8mm
wires.

Steve Bigelow

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Why are you replacing them, then?

Did you test them and find them out of spec?


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eraser

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I don't have a wire tester, but I've been experiencing a misfire
condition (read my post: Excessive Vibration) and I replaced them with
an even older set and the vibration seemed to go away slightly. I only
changed 6 out of the 8 (2 of them are blocked by the damn Thermactor Air
Valve assembly, grrr....) I figure it's worth a shot to change over to
9mm wires. I can grind open the wire separators by about 1 mm if they
don't fit.

The insulators did seem a little worn out also, didn't notice at first
but after closely examining them they had burn marks, blemishes, and
tiny cracks.

Robert Jerin

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If you change you secondary wires, be observant of proper placement as many
Ford engines are prone to inductive firing. Improper routing of plug wires
can lead to misfire conditions. It was cylinders 7 and 8 on older Fords,
but some newer engines can have this condition on other cylinders, can't
recall offhand which two. The factory places the wires in the separators in
what seems to be an incorrect fashion. Many a tech has made the mistake of
making them look cosmetically proper only to cause inductive firing.

Bj

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Insulation has a " dielectric coefficient" The better the insulation
thicker or better material) the less voltage leak from it and hence more
voltage at the spark plug. StuK

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Steve Bigelow <sbige...@sprint.ca> wrote in message

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> >> >> >"eraser" <era...@cybernex.net> wrote in message

> >> >> >news:39848896...@cybernex.net...
> >> >> >> What is the difference between 9mm and 8mm plug wires?
> >> >> >> The vehicle in question has a 1981 Ford 302 V8 with a 2-bbl
> carburetor
> >> >> >> and has the Duraspark ignition. It currently has 8mm plug wires
> with
> >> >> >> Motorcraft Copper plugs. The only cost-effective 8mm wires are
from
> >> >> >> Accel, and Ford Racing has a set of 9mm wires for the same price.
> Can
> >> I
> >> >> >> use the 9mm wires on my Duraspark ignition?
> >> >> >>

CaptainKrunch

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It depends. For the most part yes. The size of the wires is only in
reference to the diameter of the wire and insulation. It says nothing
about the core diameter. If you have voltage leaking you would most
definitely notice it as it would manifest itself as a miss, stumble, etc.
The core does not have to be that big because it carries lots of voltage
but not amperage. If it carried lots of amperage then the conductor
would be more like a battery cable. On a stock motor there really is no
need to get the thickest wires possible. I mentioned in a previous post
that I would get the 9mm or even the 10 mm wires if they were the same
price as the original equipment only because they would be less prone to
abrasions, etc that would result in a leaking and bad wire, but not
because of the inference that their use would result in more horsepower
because they won't.

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Robert Jerin

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Stuart & Janet <skynochSPA...@atconnex.net> wrote in message
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> Insulation has a " dielectric coefficient" The better the insulation
> thicker or better material) the less voltage leak from it and hence more
> voltage at the spark plug. StuK

On a good set of secondary wires the loss is insignificant and the amount of
voltage delivered by either 8mm or 9mm wires is not at all noticable on an
Oscope.

eraser

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The plug wires are correctly placed, but I don't understand what you
mean about wire placement? Cylinder 7 is near the dipstick, and the plug
wire seems to be either touching the dipstick or coming real close to
the exhaust manifold because of the dipstick assembly.

What are secondary wires?
This is a 1981 Ford 302 V8, with the Duraspark electronic breakerless
ignition.

Robert Jerin wrote:
>
> If you change you secondary wires, be observant of proper placement as many
> Ford engines are prone to inductive firing. Improper routing of plug wires
> can lead to misfire conditions. It was cylinders 7 and 8 on older Fords,
> but some newer engines can have this condition on other cylinders, can't
> recall offhand which two. The factory places the wires in the separators in
> what seems to be an incorrect fashion. Many a tech has made the mistake of
> making them look cosmetically proper only to cause inductive firing.
>
> Bj
>

> --
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> home"
> Bill Cosby

> eraser <era...@cybernex.net> wrote in message

Robert Jerin

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That sounds like the model which can exhibit induction firing. 7 and 8 are
obviously next to one another in the block and also the cap, I believe, the
factory took extra effort to place those wires in a special position in the
wire holders, I.E. not next to each other. Induction firing (or misfiring
if you will) is caused by such situations. Lets say that cyl. # 7 is the
one getting the actual voltage. If #s 7 and 8 are not routed properly # 8
cyl (wire) could recieve voltage via induction, thus a misfire. Hope this
is understandable. It is rare enough that many don't know about it yet
common enough on some Fords and GMs that it happens due to misrouting of
secondary wires.

Bj

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AJDalton7

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>.7 and 8 are

obviously next to one another <

An added note. If you do have to cross wire paths, then it is best to do it
at right angles.[ vs. parallel]

eraser

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I believe you are correct, so what do you suggest I do to rectify this
problem? Cross paths at 90 degree angles like AJDalton suggested?

I have them next to each other on the wire separator - should I keep
them apart as far as possible? Thanks

Bob

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You did, so I did. And that didn't answer the question. Bob

Steve Bigelow wrote:

> No mention has been made of conductors.
>
> Bob wrote in message <398718EA...@rosenet.net>...
> >

> >your inference is that 8 & 9 mm "wires" have the same diameter conductor.
> yes,
> >no?
> >Steve Bigelow wrote:
> >
> >> 9mm vs. 8mm refers to the outside diameter....not the conductor diameter.
> >>
> >> Bob wrote in message <39859F89...@rosenet.net>...
> >> >What Steve wrote, i.e. "larger insulator", does not equate to what
> >> hootnholler
> >> >wrote, i.e. "thicker wire", hence the question makes no sense. Bob
> >> >
> >> >Steve Bigelow wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Can you tell us how a larger insulator lowers resistance?
> >> >>
> >> >> hootnholler wrote in message ...
> >> >> >Your answer in a nutshell.... Less resistance. Most thicker wires
> are
> >> used
> >> >> >for racing applications with high output coils. Given that you have
> a
> >> >> >Duraspark coil system, I would go for it. Actually, there should be
> no
> >> >> >problem. You might get a slight increase in performance.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I won't go into Ohm's law....:+)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >

> >> >> >"eraser" <era...@cybernex.net> wrote in message

> >> >> >news:39848896...@cybernex.net...
> >> >> >> What is the difference between 9mm and 8mm plug wires?
> >> >> >> The vehicle in question has a 1981 Ford 302 V8 with a 2-bbl
> carburetor
> >> >> >> and has the Duraspark ignition. It currently has 8mm plug wires
> with
> >> >> >> Motorcraft Copper plugs. The only cost-effective 8mm wires are from
> >> >> >> Accel, and Ford Racing has a set of 9mm wires for the same price.
> Can
> >> I
> >> >> >> use the 9mm wires on my Duraspark ignition?
> >> >> >>

Steve Bigelow

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Sorry, I didn't see your question.
Please re-state it?


Bob wrote in message <39887DD4...@rosenet.net>...

Bob

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Sure

Steve Bigelow

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Only thing described is insulation diameter. Conductor isn't mentioned at
all, so can't comment.


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Beavis

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Im thinking of getting some 10mm wires for my pinto, the're kinda expensive
what do you guys think?

AJDalton7

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>
>Im thinking of getting some 10mm wires for my pinto, the're kinda expensive
>what do you guys think?
>
>

Too Small .

Steve Bigelow

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Yep.
Not _nearly_ long enough.


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Bob

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You mentioned conductor so figured you must know, guess you don't. Hootnholler
used the word wire which certainly can/could mean just that, the wire, and if
the wire were larger it would have less resistance, yes, no? Bob

Steve Bigelow wrote:

Bob

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Ask steve. Bob

Beavis wrote:

> Im thinking of getting some 10mm wires for my pinto, the're kinda expensive
> what do you guys think?
>

Eric Fahlgren

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Beavis wrote:
>
> Im thinking of getting some 10mm wires for my pinto, the're kinda expensive
> what do you guys think?

As a rule of thumb, make sure your plug wires are about 1/4 the
diameter of your exhaust tip. Thus, a 4" tip calls for 25 mm wires.

--
Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc
ef...@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

AJDalton7

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As long as the wires are kept further than
the plug gap
away from any ground or other wire, you don't need any insulation.
I use those little plastic model train set telephone poles . Looks cool too
!!!!
That's why they call them
"High Tension" wires !!

Stuart & Janet

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Ah splash out ya only need 4.....;^) StuK

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Steve Bigelow

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By "wire", are you refering to the conductor? Mine are made of something
called "polymeric".

Please explain what you believe "8mm & 9mm" refers to when discussing
ignition wires.


Bob wrote in message <398ADE8A...@rosenet.net>...

Bob

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AJDalton7 wrote:

> As long as the wires are kept further than
> the plug gap
> away from any ground or other wire, you don't need any insulation.

You might like to rethink that and get back to us.

>
> I use those little plastic model train set telephone poles . Looks cool too
> !!!!
> That's why they call them
> "High Tension" wires !!

Why are they called "high tension"? Never see tension in any electrical formulae.
Bob


Bob

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Steve Bigelow wrote:

> By "wire", are you refering to the conductor? Mine are made of something
> called "polymeric".

To an electrician wire and conductor are synonymous. Wire may or may not have an
insulator wrapped around it.

>
>
> Please explain what you believe "8mm & 9mm" refers to when discussing
> ignition wires.

Your inference that only the thickness of the insulation was difference,
hootnholler used the word wire, now you are using polymeric. I don't believe
anything until I can verify it, just trying to find out what if anything you
know. Apparently nothing as you have sidestepped all my questions to date. Not
to worry, I have my answer elsewhere. Bob

AJDalton7

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>Why are they called "high tension"? Never see tension in any electrical
>formulae.
>Bob

The tension is the force between the poles.
Telephone poles, that is .

Steve Bigelow

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Bob wrote in message <398B457E...@rosenet.net>...

>> By "wire", are you refering to the conductor? Mine are made of something
>> called "polymeric".
>
>To an electrician wire and conductor are synonymous.

What relevance is what an _electrician_ considers synonymous?


>Apparently nothing as you have sidestepped all my questions to date. Not
>to worry, I have my answer elsewhere. Bob


Sorry....I thought your "questions" were jokes!

Robert Jerin

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> I believe you are correct, so what do you suggest I do to rectify this
> problem? Cross paths at 90 degree angles like AJDalton suggested?
>
> I have them next to each other on the wire separator - should I keep
> them apart as far as possible? Thanks

Yes.

Bob

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Steve Bigelow wrote:

> Bob wrote in message <398B457E...@rosenet.net>...
> >> By "wire", are you refering to the conductor? Mine are made of something
> >> called "polymeric".
> >
> >To an electrician wire and conductor are synonymous.
>
> What relevance is what an _electrician_ considers synonymous?

and what relevance are you to any thing relevant?

>
>
> >Apparently nothing as you have sidestepped all my questions to date. Not
> >to worry, I have my answer elsewhere. Bob
>
> Sorry....I thought your "questions" were jokes!

The jokes on you. heh heh. Bob

Bob

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AJDalton7 wrote:

So then are all lines strung on pole high tension? Bob

AJDalton7

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Depends on how high they are.

Steve Bigelow

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I've reviewed your posts on Deja.

271 in or.politics

And this little gem ...#22 of among 37 of your posts to
soc.culture.african.american

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No speed boat above a prune?

Oh yeah the jokes on _me_...


Bob wrote in message <398C93E6...@rosenet.net>...


>and what relevance are you to any thing relevant?

Steve Bigelow

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AJDalton7 wrote in message <20000805191300...@ng-ff1.aol.com>...

>Depends on how high they are.

Always thought "tension" refered to voltage.

AJDalton7

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Nope.
Stress !!

Steve Bigelow

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Turn off the tv, and breathe deeply.

AJDalton7 wrote in message <20000805192625...@ng-ff1.aol.com>...
> Nope.
> Stress !!

AJDalton7

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I do believe the tension has something to do with having to convert the
insulation measurements from metic .
Let's see now .. Pie r somethin or other, devide by insulation r factor, ....
no . That's thermal insulation,,, wait a min.... I think I got it,,,
Electrons flow .... ohm guy .. no thats not it..
I don't know.
I would just get the biggest wires I could put under the hood .....

Beavis

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Sorry I just couldnt resist! you guys are "the funny bunch" :)
I think I'll try to find some of those 25mm wires, if not do you think 5,
5mm wires in parallel will work? Just want my pinto to "preform" YA!

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kingsnake

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On 04 Aug 2000 10:24:55 GMT, ajda...@aol.com (AJDalton7) wrote:

>>
>>Im thinking of getting some 10mm wires for my pinto, the're kinda expensive
>>what do you guys think?
>>
>>
>

>Too Small .


Hey, but Pinto's are cool! Especially old orange wagons. :-)

-John

kingsnake

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On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 07:32:46 GMT, "Beavis" <nu...@aol.com> wrote:

>Sorry I just couldnt resist! you guys are "the funny bunch" :)
>I think I'll try to find some of those 25mm wires, if not do you think 5,
>5mm wires in parallel will work? Just want my pinto to "preform" YA!

http://www.company23.com/xr4ti/articles/magunknown/ppinto.html

-John

Bob

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Steve Bigelow wrote:

> I've reviewed your posts on Deja.
>
> 271 in or.politics
>
> And this little gem ...#22 of among 37 of your posts to

Most of non relevance deleted

>
> soc.culture.african.american


> population, had pickled me a chunk.
>
> http://x68.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=495075674&CONTEXT=965516997.1703
> 673872&hitnum=21
>
> No speed boat above a prune?
>
> Oh yeah the jokes on _me_...
>
> Bob wrote in message <398C93E6...@rosenet.net>...
> >and what relevance are you to any thing relevant?
> >The jokes on you. heh heh. Bob

Your strangeness is exceeded only by your ego or what is your point anyway? Bob


Ben Brown

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I think you'll find you need 25 5mm wires for the same area as one 25mm
wire!

Beavis <nu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry I just couldnt resist! you guys are "the funny bunch" :)
> I think I'll try to find some of those 25mm wires, if not do you think 5,
> 5mm wires in parallel will work? Just want my pinto to "preform" YA!
>

> Stuart & Janet <skynochSPA...@atconnex.net> wrote in message
> news:ClFi5.1454$Z2.2...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> > Ah splash out ya only need 4.....;^) StuK
> >
> > --
> >
> > Thunder Snake #11
> >
> >
> > Remove SPAMATRON9000 to reply by email
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> > Eric Fahlgren <ef...@adams.com> wrote in message
> > news:398B1374...@adams.com...

> > > Beavis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Im thinking of getting some 10mm wires for my pinto, the're kinda
> > expensive
> > > > what do you guys think?
> > >

angus gilroy

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Sorry your e-mail came to me ,not you guye,sFamous Gus

kingsnake wrote:

> On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 07:32:46 GMT, "Beavis" <nu...@aol.com> wrote:
>

> >Sorry I just couldnt resist! you guys are "the funny bunch" :)
> >I think I'll try to find some of those 25mm wires, if not do you think 5,
> >5mm wires in parallel will work? Just want my pinto to "preform" YA!
>

> http://www.company23.com/xr4ti/articles/magunknown/ppinto.html
>
> -John


Twitchell

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Check your math. I think that would be 5 5mm wires. Not so?
DET


Ben Brown wrote:

> I think you'll find you need 25 5mm wires for the same area as one 25mm
> wire!
>
> Beavis <nu...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:yw8j5.59412$LE.2...@typhoon.we.rr.com...

> > Sorry I just couldnt resist! you guys are "the funny bunch" :)
> > I think I'll try to find some of those 25mm wires, if not do you think 5,
> > 5mm wires in parallel will work? Just want my pinto to "preform" YA!
> >

AJDalton7

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>Check your math. I think that would be 5 5mm wires. Not so?
>DET

Check yours.
He said "Area"

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