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"There's no such thing as too much torque."
Uh 1mm. Sorry I had to.
No real difference on a stock vehicle.
The race car wires are always thicker than stock for the extra volts the coils
put out to keep all the spark in the wire and no jumping.
anything 7.5 and up will work the same on a relatively stock engine.
I won't go into Ohm's law....:+)
"eraser" <era...@cybernex.net> wrote in message
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> What is the difference between 9mm and 8mm plug wires?
hootnholler wrote in message ...
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It raises the resistance of the spark from jumping somewhere else than the
plug.
Nothin' ta do wit' ohms. Jus' resistance !!
There is no benefit to using 9 mm wires on your application. You may
actually find that the thicker wires will not fit properly in the
separators and wind up dangling on to the hot manifolds to be ruined. In
general it is hard to find a better fitting, longer lasting set of plug
wires than the factory original.
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The colored insulation is generally silicone and the thicker wires
just have more insulation with not necessarily a thicker core. Also
the thicker insulation may give more resistance to cuts, abrasions etc
where voltage can leak out and cause a miss or two. If I had to replace
my plug wires I would buy the colored 9mm wires only if they were the same
price as the regular wires or 8mm wires, or if they were maybe $5 bucks
more. Like the other poster said, you may have a problem with the wire
seperators but if the price is all the same I would get the thicker ones
and add a little color to the engine but I certainly wouldn't believe that
my car would go faster. Thats the difference between a know nothing,
magazine reading, bolt on modification, Ricky Racer loser and people
that know what mod's do what for your car.. in reference to the Rice
Boys.
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"Steve Bigelow" <sbige...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
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> Can you tell us how a larger insulator lowers resistance?
>
> hootnholler wrote in message ...
> >Your answer in a nutshell.... Less resistance. Most thicker wires are
used
> >for racing applications with high output coils. Given that you have a
> >Duraspark coil system, I would go for it. Actually, there should be no
> >problem. You might get a slight increase in performance.
> >
> >I won't go into Ohm's law....:+)
> >
> >
Steve Bigelow wrote:
> Can you tell us how a larger insulator lowers resistance?
>
> hootnholler wrote in message ...
> >Your answer in a nutshell.... Less resistance. Most thicker wires are used
> >for racing applications with high output coils. Given that you have a
> >Duraspark coil system, I would go for it. Actually, there should be no
> >problem. You might get a slight increase in performance.
> >
> >I won't go into Ohm's law....:+)
> >
> >
Bob wrote in message <39859F89...@rosenet.net>...
eraser <era...@cybernex.net> wrote in message
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> They are about $50 cheaper than the 8mm wires, like I said in another
> post - I wasn't looking for a performance mod, just something that's
> cheaper than Motorcraft 8mms and will last longer. Thanks
>
> > The colored insulation is generally silicone and the thicker
wires
> > just have more insulation with not necessarily a thicker core. Also
> > the thicker insulation may give more resistance to cuts, abrasions etc
> > where voltage can leak out and cause a miss or two. If I had to
replace
> > my plug wires I would buy the colored 9mm wires only if they were the
same
> > price as the regular wires or 8mm wires, or if they were maybe $5
bucks
> > more. Like the other poster said, you may have a problem with the
wire
> > seperators but if the price is all the same I would get the thicker
ones
> > and add a little color to the engine but I certainly wouldn't believe
that
> > my car would go faster. Thats the difference between a know nothing,
> > magazine reading, bolt on modification, Ricky Racer loser and people
> > that know what mod's do what for your car.. in reference to the Rice
> > Boys.
I thought that is why high performance systems needed them.
Just my thoughts, could be wrong, but that is what I have been led to
understand.
Mike
Steve Bigelow wrote:
>
> 9mm vs. 8mm refers to the outside diameter....not the conductor diameter.
>
> Bob wrote in message <39859F89...@rosenet.net>...
> >What Steve wrote, i.e. "larger insulator", does not equate to what
> hootnholler
> >wrote, i.e. "thicker wire", hence the question makes no sense. Bob
> >
> >Steve Bigelow wrote:
> >
> >> Can you tell us how a larger insulator lowers resistance?
> >>
> >> hootnholler wrote in message ...
> >> >Your answer in a nutshell.... Less resistance. Most thicker wires are
> used
> >> >for racing applications with high output coils. Given that you have a
> >> >Duraspark coil system, I would go for it. Actually, there should be no
> >> >problem. You might get a slight increase in performance.
> >> >
> >> >I won't go into Ohm's law....:+)
> >> >
> >> >
See my reply at the bottom of the post.
It seems like you are confusing resistance with insulation. Physically
the same, but used for different purposes. Increasing the amount of
insulation does not increase the resistance of a circuit unless the
original insulation was insufficient and allowing a short circuit. Look
at it this way, if you measure the resistance of a spark plug wire, it
will not increase if you add extra insulation around the conductor.
Extra insulation will just allow a higher voltage to be used without it
leaking through and arcing to ground.
Bottom line, if the old insulation was containing the voltage without
leaking then adding more insulation will not increase the resistance of
the plug wire.
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> 9mm vs. 8mm refers to the outside diameter....not the conductor diameter.
>
> Bob wrote in message <39859F89...@rosenet.net>...
> >What Steve wrote, i.e. "larger insulator", does not equate to what
> hootnholler
> >wrote, i.e. "thicker wire", hence the question makes no sense. Bob
> >
> >Steve Bigelow wrote:
> >
> >> Can you tell us how a larger insulator lowers resistance?
> >>
> >> hootnholler wrote in message ...
> >> >Your answer in a nutshell.... Less resistance. Most thicker wires are
> used
> >> >for racing applications with high output coils. Given that you have a
> >> >Duraspark coil system, I would go for it. Actually, there should be no
> >> >problem. You might get a slight increase in performance.
> >> >
> >> >I won't go into Ohm's law....:+)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"eraser" <era...@cybernex.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:39848896...@cybernex.net...
> >> >> What is the difference between 9mm and 8mm plug wires?
> >> >> The vehicle in question has a 1981 Ford 302 V8 with a 2-bbl carburetor
> >> >> and has the Duraspark ignition. It currently has 8mm plug wires with
> >> >> Motorcraft Copper plugs. The only cost-effective 8mm wires are from
> >> >> Accel, and Ford Racing has a set of 9mm wires for the same price. Can
> I
> >> >> use the 9mm wires on my Duraspark ignition?
> >> >>
AJDalton7 wrote:
>
> 8mm is fine as long as they are of good quality.
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eraser wrote in message <39871FF3...@cybernex.net>...
>The 9mm wires are the Ford Racing (Ford Motorsport) wires, as opposed to
>the $60 Motorcraft 8mm wires.
>
>AJDalton7 wrote:
>>
>> 8mm is fine as long as they are of good quality.
>
Did you test them and find them out of spec?
eraser wrote in message <39877D5C...@cybernex.net>...
The insulators did seem a little worn out also, didn't notice at first
but after closely examining them they had burn marks, blemishes, and
tiny cracks.
Bj
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Steve Bigelow <sbige...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
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> >> >> >"eraser" <era...@cybernex.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:39848896...@cybernex.net...
> >> >> >> What is the difference between 9mm and 8mm plug wires?
> >> >> >> The vehicle in question has a 1981 Ford 302 V8 with a 2-bbl
> carburetor
> >> >> >> and has the Duraspark ignition. It currently has 8mm plug wires
> with
> >> >> >> Motorcraft Copper plugs. The only cost-effective 8mm wires are
from
> >> >> >> Accel, and Ford Racing has a set of 9mm wires for the same price.
> Can
> >> I
> >> >> >> use the 9mm wires on my Duraspark ignition?
> >> >> >>
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> Insulation has a " dielectric coefficient" The better the insulation
> thicker or better material) the less voltage leak from it and hence more
> voltage at the spark plug. StuK
On a good set of secondary wires the loss is insignificant and the amount of
voltage delivered by either 8mm or 9mm wires is not at all noticable on an
Oscope.
What are secondary wires?
This is a 1981 Ford 302 V8, with the Duraspark electronic breakerless
ignition.
Robert Jerin wrote:
>
> If you change you secondary wires, be observant of proper placement as many
> Ford engines are prone to inductive firing. Improper routing of plug wires
> can lead to misfire conditions. It was cylinders 7 and 8 on older Fords,
> but some newer engines can have this condition on other cylinders, can't
> recall offhand which two. The factory places the wires in the separators in
> what seems to be an incorrect fashion. Many a tech has made the mistake of
> making them look cosmetically proper only to cause inductive firing.
>
> Bj
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An added note. If you do have to cross wire paths, then it is best to do it
at right angles.[ vs. parallel]
I have them next to each other on the wire separator - should I keep
them apart as far as possible? Thanks
Steve Bigelow wrote:
> No mention has been made of conductors.
>
> Bob wrote in message <398718EA...@rosenet.net>...
> >
> >your inference is that 8 & 9 mm "wires" have the same diameter conductor.
> yes,
> >no?
> >Steve Bigelow wrote:
> >
> >> 9mm vs. 8mm refers to the outside diameter....not the conductor diameter.
> >>
> >> Bob wrote in message <39859F89...@rosenet.net>...
> >> >What Steve wrote, i.e. "larger insulator", does not equate to what
> >> hootnholler
> >> >wrote, i.e. "thicker wire", hence the question makes no sense. Bob
> >> >
> >> >Steve Bigelow wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Can you tell us how a larger insulator lowers resistance?
> >> >>
> >> >> hootnholler wrote in message ...
> >> >> >Your answer in a nutshell.... Less resistance. Most thicker wires
> are
> >> used
> >> >> >for racing applications with high output coils. Given that you have
> a
> >> >> >Duraspark coil system, I would go for it. Actually, there should be
> no
> >> >> >problem. You might get a slight increase in performance.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I won't go into Ohm's law....:+)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"eraser" <era...@cybernex.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:39848896...@cybernex.net...
> >> >> >> What is the difference between 9mm and 8mm plug wires?
> >> >> >> The vehicle in question has a 1981 Ford 302 V8 with a 2-bbl
> carburetor
> >> >> >> and has the Duraspark ignition. It currently has 8mm plug wires
> with
> >> >> >> Motorcraft Copper plugs. The only cost-effective 8mm wires are from
> >> >> >> Accel, and Ford Racing has a set of 9mm wires for the same price.
> Can
> >> I
> >> >> >> use the 9mm wires on my Duraspark ignition?
> >> >> >>
Bob wrote in message <39887DD4...@rosenet.net>...
Bob wrote in message <39898379...@rosenet.net>...
Too Small .
Steve Bigelow wrote:
Beavis wrote:
> Im thinking of getting some 10mm wires for my pinto, the're kinda expensive
> what do you guys think?
>
As a rule of thumb, make sure your plug wires are about 1/4 the
diameter of your exhaust tip. Thus, a 4" tip calls for 25 mm wires.
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Please explain what you believe "8mm & 9mm" refers to when discussing
ignition wires.
Bob wrote in message <398ADE8A...@rosenet.net>...
AJDalton7 wrote:
> As long as the wires are kept further than
> the plug gap
> away from any ground or other wire, you don't need any insulation.
You might like to rethink that and get back to us.
>
> I use those little plastic model train set telephone poles . Looks cool too
> !!!!
> That's why they call them
> "High Tension" wires !!
Why are they called "high tension"? Never see tension in any electrical formulae.
Bob
Steve Bigelow wrote:
> By "wire", are you refering to the conductor? Mine are made of something
> called "polymeric".
To an electrician wire and conductor are synonymous. Wire may or may not have an
insulator wrapped around it.
>
>
> Please explain what you believe "8mm & 9mm" refers to when discussing
> ignition wires.
Your inference that only the thickness of the insulation was difference,
hootnholler used the word wire, now you are using polymeric. I don't believe
anything until I can verify it, just trying to find out what if anything you
know. Apparently nothing as you have sidestepped all my questions to date. Not
to worry, I have my answer elsewhere. Bob
The tension is the force between the poles.
Telephone poles, that is .
What relevance is what an _electrician_ considers synonymous?
>Apparently nothing as you have sidestepped all my questions to date. Not
>to worry, I have my answer elsewhere. Bob
Sorry....I thought your "questions" were jokes!
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> I believe you are correct, so what do you suggest I do to rectify this
> problem? Cross paths at 90 degree angles like AJDalton suggested?
>
> I have them next to each other on the wire separator - should I keep
> them apart as far as possible? Thanks
Yes.
Steve Bigelow wrote:
> Bob wrote in message <398B457E...@rosenet.net>...
> >> By "wire", are you refering to the conductor? Mine are made of something
> >> called "polymeric".
> >
> >To an electrician wire and conductor are synonymous.
>
> What relevance is what an _electrician_ considers synonymous?
and what relevance are you to any thing relevant?
>
>
> >Apparently nothing as you have sidestepped all my questions to date. Not
> >to worry, I have my answer elsewhere. Bob
>
> Sorry....I thought your "questions" were jokes!
The jokes on you. heh heh. Bob
AJDalton7 wrote:
So then are all lines strung on pole high tension? Bob
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Oh yeah the jokes on _me_...
Bob wrote in message <398C93E6...@rosenet.net>...
>and what relevance are you to any thing relevant?
Always thought "tension" refered to voltage.
AJDalton7 wrote in message <20000805192625...@ng-ff1.aol.com>...
> Nope.
> Stress !!
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>>
>>Im thinking of getting some 10mm wires for my pinto, the're kinda expensive
>>what do you guys think?
>>
>>
>
>Too Small .
Hey, but Pinto's are cool! Especially old orange wagons. :-)
-John
>Sorry I just couldnt resist! you guys are "the funny bunch" :)
>I think I'll try to find some of those 25mm wires, if not do you think 5,
>5mm wires in parallel will work? Just want my pinto to "preform" YA!
http://www.company23.com/xr4ti/articles/magunknown/ppinto.html
-John
Steve Bigelow wrote:
> I've reviewed your posts on Deja.
>
> 271 in or.politics
>
> And this little gem ...#22 of among 37 of your posts to
Most of non relevance deleted
>
> soc.culture.african.american
> population, had pickled me a chunk.
>
> http://x68.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=495075674&CONTEXT=965516997.1703
> 673872&hitnum=21
>
> No speed boat above a prune?
>
> Oh yeah the jokes on _me_...
>
> Bob wrote in message <398C93E6...@rosenet.net>...
> >and what relevance are you to any thing relevant?
> >The jokes on you. heh heh. Bob
Your strangeness is exceeded only by your ego or what is your point anyway? Bob
Beavis <nu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry I just couldnt resist! you guys are "the funny bunch" :)
> I think I'll try to find some of those 25mm wires, if not do you think 5,
> 5mm wires in parallel will work? Just want my pinto to "preform" YA!
>
> Stuart & Janet <skynochSPA...@atconnex.net> wrote in message
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> > Ah splash out ya only need 4.....;^) StuK
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> > > Beavis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Im thinking of getting some 10mm wires for my pinto, the're kinda
> > expensive
> > > > what do you guys think?
> > >
kingsnake wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 07:32:46 GMT, "Beavis" <nu...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Sorry I just couldnt resist! you guys are "the funny bunch" :)
> >I think I'll try to find some of those 25mm wires, if not do you think 5,
> >5mm wires in parallel will work? Just want my pinto to "preform" YA!
>
> http://www.company23.com/xr4ti/articles/magunknown/ppinto.html
>
> -John
Ben Brown wrote:
> I think you'll find you need 25 5mm wires for the same area as one 25mm
> wire!
>
> Beavis <nu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > Sorry I just couldnt resist! you guys are "the funny bunch" :)
> > I think I'll try to find some of those 25mm wires, if not do you think 5,
> > 5mm wires in parallel will work? Just want my pinto to "preform" YA!
> >
Check yours.
He said "Area"