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Anthony Childers

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Oct 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/21/96
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My 1996 Chevy Blazer has been nothing but trouble since I purchased it
new a few months ago. I had test driven some used blazers and a couple
of new ones and liked the way they drove and performed. The mistake I
made was not thoroughly test driving the one I purchased. I was just
wondering if anyone else was as sick as I am over their new blazer; here
are the problems.

The truck vibrates when traveling above 60mph. I have had the tires
balanced and the dealership even put new tires and rims on the truck to
try and solve the problem; didn't work. The vibration is the kind you
feel in the seat, not the steering wheel. It is severe enough to vibrate
the passenger seat and drivers side mirror.

The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" well.
The "valley" in the steering and the "sports-car" like handling that
Chevy describes is not there at all. The truck seems to drift all over
the road.

Finally, the engine. This is my biggest dissapointment since I bought a
Chevy for the engine and drive-train. The engine rattles and pings like
it is going to fall apart. It seems very weak and under-powered. In
order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
to get the truck to downshift.

Please post or e-mail if you are having the same problems. If anyone has
an suggestions as to what might be wrong please let me know.

Knight

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Oct 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/21/96
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In article <326C01...@mcs.net>, James V. Reagan <jre...@mcs.net> wrote:

>Anthony Childers wrote:
>>
>> My 1996 Chevy Blazer has been nothing but trouble since I purchased it
>> new a few months ago. I had test driven some used blazers and a couple
>> of new ones and liked the way they drove and performed. The mistake I
>> made was not thoroughly test driving the one I purchased. I was just
>> wondering if anyone else was as sick as I am over their new blazer; here
>> are the problems.
>>

>> The truck vibrates when traveling above 60mph. I have had the tires
>> balanced and the dealership even put new tires and rims on the truck to
>> try and solve the problem; didn't work. The vibration is the kind you
>> feel in the seat, not the steering wheel. It is severe enough to vibrate
>> the passenger seat and drivers side mirror.
>>
>

>I have found the Jimmy to be surprisingly stable at 85mph and up, moreso
>than my 94 GTP that I had traded in. Of course, it doesn't have
>very good acceleration at high speeds.


>
>> The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" well.
>> The "valley" in the steering and the "sports-car" like handling that
>> Chevy describes is not there at all. The truck seems to drift all over
>> the road.
>>
>

>While it doesn't handle as good as a car, I've found that mine
>handles better than the Explorers and Jeeps... your milage may very.


>
>> Finally, the engine. This is my biggest dissapointment since I bought a
>> Chevy for the engine and drive-train. The engine rattles and pings like
>> it is going to fall apart. It seems very weak and under-powered. In
>> order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
>> to get the truck to downshift.
>>
>

>The engine is great from a standstill, but does lag quite a bit
>at 50 mph and up in terms of acceleration. About the only complaint
>I have.
>
>
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>James V. Reagan
>Java & OOA/D Consulting, Mentoring, and Development
>mailto:jre...@mcs.net


You need to keep going back to the dealer. When you are tired of going back
to the dealer, go some more. Tell them you are discussing the problems on
the net. Document everything. You may have just bought a lemon. It happens
to all models of car from now and then. I used to have a blazer, I liked it,
but it was an '83 and was a while back.
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James V. Reagan

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Oct 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/21/96
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Anthony Childers wrote:
>
> My 1996 Chevy Blazer has been nothing but trouble since I purchased it
> new a few months ago. I had test driven some used blazers and a couple
> of new ones and liked the way they drove and performed. The mistake I
> made was not thoroughly test driving the one I purchased. I was just
> wondering if anyone else was as sick as I am over their new blazer; here
> are the problems.
>

My 96 Jimmy (10000+ miles) has been problem free except for a
defective CD player.

Anthony Childers

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Oct 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/22/96
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Anthony Childers wrote:
>
> My 1996 Chevy Blazer has been nothing but trouble since I purchased it
> new a few months ago. I had test driven some used blazers and a couple
> of new ones and liked the way they drove and performed. The mistake I
> made was not thoroughly test driving the one I purchased. I was just
> wondering if anyone else was as sick as I am over their new blazer; here
> are the problems.
>
> The truck vibrates when traveling above 60mph. I have had the tires
> balanced and the dealership even put new tires and rims on the truck to
> try and solve the problem; didn't work. The vibration is the kind you
> feel in the seat, not the steering wheel. It is severe enough to vibrate
> the passenger seat and drivers side mirror.
>
> The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" well.
> The "valley" in the steering and the "sports-car" like handling that
> Chevy describes is not there at all. The truck seems to drift all over
> the road.
>
> Finally, the engine. This is my biggest dissapointment since I bought a
> Chevy for the engine and drive-train. The engine rattles and pings like
> it is going to fall apart. It seems very weak and under-powered. In
> order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
> to get the truck to downshift.
>
> Please post or e-mail if you are having the same problems. If anyone has
> an suggestions as to what might be wrong please let me know.

How about some input from GMTech on this one????????

leep

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Oct 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/22/96
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I`d get rid of it because you will never see the end of the problems
with this vehicle and it will cause you nothing but grief. It sounds like
it came out of the factory with major drivetrain alignment problems
along with the other terrible stuff. Good luck, LEE

JC

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Oct 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/22/96
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In article <326BEB...@lexmark.com>,
on Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:30:24 GMT,
Anthony Childers <Anthony> writes:
>sniped

>The truck vibrates when traveling above 60mph. I have had the tires
>balanced and the dealership even put new tires and rims on the truck to
>try and solve the problem; didn't work. The vibration is the kind you
>feel in the seat, not the steering wheel. It is severe enough to vibrate
>the passenger seat and drivers side mirror.

Sounds like your driveshaft is out of balance or bent.

>Finally, the engine. This is my biggest dissapointment since I bought a
>Chevy for the engine and drive-train. The engine rattles and pings like
>it is going to fall apart. It seems very weak and under-powered. In
>order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
>to get the truck to downshift.

What octane gas are you running? Try running a tank of 93 in it.

Good luck,

JC (g...@vnet.ibm.com)

Tim Cartwright

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Oct 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/22/96
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In article <326BEB...@lexmark.com> Anthony Childers <chil...@lexmark.com> writes:

>The truck vibrates when traveling above 60mph. The vibration is the

kind you>feel in the seat, not the steering wheel. It is severe enough to
vibrate>the passenger seat and drivers side mirror.

Does this vibe occur all of the time or just after returning to paved roads?
I have had vibes like this on 4x4's which I've driven in deep snow, or mud.
The ice or mud remains in the wheel and causes the imbalance... something to
consider. If you've eliminated this possibility, then it is likely a
driveline imbalance, not a wheel tire problem. These vehicles have a fairly
deep final gear, so everything from the output of the tranny to the axle
shafts is spinning that much faster. ( more chances for harmonics ) Keep after
your dealer, they will eventually find it.

>The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" well.

I have driven two new blazers in the past month for extended periods. Both
handled very well and tracked straight without corrections. This includes
gravel and paved highways, with speeds up to 160km\hr. One had hwy
radials, the other an all season tread. They were both susceptible to cross
winds, as all UTES of this type are.

>Finally, the engine. This is my biggest dissapointment since I bought a
>Chevy for the engine and drive-train. The engine rattles and pings like
>it is going to fall apart. It seems very weak and under-powered. In
>order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
>to get the truck to downshift.

I was really disappointed with both trucks power. I think the claimed HP of
these 'Vortec' V-6's is greatly exaggerated. Also, One of the trucks
"pinged" brutally at part throttle, the other not at all. The accelerator
problem is actually a 'feature' of the new GM's. It is supposed to allow a
more controlled application of the throttle from idle. It drove me nuts too.
You must also remember that this 'truck' weighs over 4000lbs, thus it will
never be a rocket of the line.

I will add one additional comment. This was the first electrically shifted 4x4
that I have driven that was worth any beans. Both trucks had the
'electronically' controlled transfer case, which is an upgrade option from the
standard electric version. I highly recommend it. ( I have also driven the
snot out of Pathfinders, and Explorers)

Barry Berger

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Oct 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/22/96
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Anthony Childers wrote:
>
> My 1996 Chevy Blazer has been nothing but trouble since I purchased it
> new a few months ago. I had test driven some used blazers and a couple
> of new ones and liked the way they drove and performed. The mistake I
> made was not thoroughly test driving the one I purchased. I was just
> wondering if anyone else was as sick as I am over their new blazer; here
> are the problems.
>
> The truck vibrates when traveling above 60mph. I have had the tires
> balanced and the dealership even put new tires and rims on the truck to
> try and solve the problem; didn't work. The vibration is the kind you

> feel in the seat, not the steering wheel. It is severe enough to vibrate
> the passenger seat and drivers side mirror.
>
> The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" well.
> The "valley" in the steering and the "sports-car" like handling that
> Chevy describes is not there at all. The truck seems to drift all over
> the road.
>
> Finally, the engine. This is my biggest dissapointment since I bought a
> Chevy for the engine and drive-train. The engine rattles and pings like
> it is going to fall apart. It seems very weak and under-powered. In
> order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
> to get the truck to downshift.
>
> Please post or e-mail if you are having the same problems. If anyone has
> an suggestions as to what might be wrong please let me know.

There is a new repair kit that a the chevy dealers got to fix the terrible
vibration problems...it's brand new...good luck,moshe

Jeff

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Oct 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/22/96
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Sounds like you got a lemon...... I bought a '96 Blazer S in March '96.
The only complaint I have is a slight "sqeaking noise" coming from the
rear hatch. As far as performance I <ahem> "make some performance
challenges" to other "sport" vehicals and match or beat them. Either I
got an exceptionally strong truck or you sadly got a lemon. Either was
check out the state lemon laws....a certain amount of fixes by the
dealer on the same item/complaint = new truck.

Hope this helps...... BTW has anyone else heard the "sqeak" from the
rear hatch???

:)

Mike Maloney

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Oct 23, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/23/96
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In article <326BEB...@lexmark.com>, chil...@lexmark.com says...

>
>My 1996 Chevy Blazer has been nothing but trouble since I purchased it
>new a few months ago. I had test driven some used blazers and a couple
>of new ones and liked the way they drove and performed. The mistake I
>made was not thoroughly test driving the one I purchased. I was just
>wondering if anyone else was as sick as I am over their new blazer; here
>are the problems.

>Please post or e-mail if you are having the same problems. If anyone has


>an suggestions as to what might be wrong please let me know.

Almost every state has lemon laws to protect you from this kind of thing. First
look in your owners manual and call the Customer Support # that is there and
start a claim about the problems with your truck and the fact that the dealer
is unable to repair it. Then if you do not get satisfactory response from
them, contact the Better Business Bureau to inquire as to which state agency
you need to contact to have your vehicle declared a lemon which forces the
automaker to buy back the vehicle from you.

Mike


Randy

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Oct 23, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/23/96
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Check with your state's consumer protection bureau. You may have a
lemon law that gives you the right to return the vehicle for a full
refund.

DOCUMENT EVERYTHING and CONTINUE TO RETURN THE VEHICLE to the dealer
for repairs. Talk to the regional representative about your problems.
Tell him you want a replacement vehicle NOW.

My '83 Blazer has 205,000 and we just had to put a new motor in it.
The 700R4 tranny on the other hand..... That's another post.

Goood luck,



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Oct 23, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/23/96
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In article <326D8A...@easyway.net>, Barry Berger <b...@easyway.net>
writes:

>Anthony Childers wrote:
>>
>> My 1996 Chevy Blazer has been nothing but trouble since I purchased it
>> new a few months ago. I had test driven some used blazers and a couple
>> of new ones and liked the way they drove and performed. The mistake I
>> made was not thoroughly test driving the one I purchased. I was just
>> wondering if anyone else was as sick as I am over their new blazer;
here
>> are the problems.
>>

>> The truck vibrates when traveling above 60mph. I have had the tires
>> balanced and the dealership even put new tires and rims on the truck to
>> try and solve the problem; didn't work. The vibration is the kind you
>> feel in the seat, not the steering wheel. It is severe enough to
vibrate
>> the passenger seat and drivers side mirror.
>>
>> The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track"
well.
>> The "valley" in the steering and the "sports-car" like handling that
>> Chevy describes is not there at all. The truck seems to drift all over
>> the road.
>>
>> Finally, the engine. This is my biggest dissapointment since I bought a
>> Chevy for the engine and drive-train. The engine rattles and pings like
>> it is going to fall apart. It seems very weak and under-powered. In
>> order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
>> to get the truck to downshift.
>>

>> Please post or e-mail if you are having the same problems. If anyone
has
>> an suggestions as to what might be wrong please let me know.
>

>There is a new repair kit that a the chevy dealers got to fix the
terrible
>vibration problems...it's brand new...good luck,moshe
>
>

If you feel the vibes in your butt then rules say it's in the rear. From
your description I would have the drive shaft checked after having each of
the rear wheels balanced on the truck if you can find a place that still
does this. As for the engine noise sounds like a tune-up is in order or
the timing chain might be off a tooth.

Jeep...@AOL.com
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Promotions Coordinator, Northwoods Jeep Jamboree

Frank Kolnick

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Oct 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/24/96
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Anthony Childers <chil...@lexmark.com> wrote:

>My 1996 Chevy Blazer has been nothing but trouble since I purchased it
>new a few months ago. I had test driven some used blazers and a couple
>of new ones and liked the way they drove and performed. The mistake I
>made was not thoroughly test driving the one I purchased. I was just
>wondering if anyone else was as sick as I am over their new blazer; here
>are the problems.
>
>The truck vibrates when traveling above 60mph. I have had the tires
>balanced and the dealership even put new tires and rims on the truck to
>try and solve the problem; didn't work. The vibration is the kind you
>feel in the seat, not the steering wheel. It is severe enough to vibrate
>the passenger seat and drivers side mirror.
>
>The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" well.
>The "valley" in the steering and the "sports-car" like handling that
>Chevy describes is not there at all. The truck seems to drift all over
>the road.
>
>Finally, the engine. This is my biggest dissapointment since I bought a
>Chevy for the engine and drive-train. The engine rattles and pings like
>it is going to fall apart. It seems very weak and under-powered. In
>order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
>to get the truck to downshift.
>
>Please post or e-mail if you are having the same problems. If anyone has
>an suggestions as to what might be wrong please let me know.

I've got a 95. It's a very nice vehicle, when it runs. Mine's been in the
shop more in its first year than my previous three vehicles *combined*.

Anyway, it recently spent a week having the front axle torn apart to
remedy a chronic vibration. Apparently (according to the service manager)
this is a 'common' problem in Blazers (they diagnosed my problem
immediately, as they'd just done the same thing to another 95 the
week before.) The bad news is the problem can't really be fixed. However,
yours sounds much worse than mine.

Otherwise, I'd say the vehicle handles and accelerates very well. That's
why I got it, and it was the best of the bunch for my tastes last year.
(This year, it would be the new 4Runner, no contest.) Sounds like your
Blazer needs an overhaul of practically everything, I'm sorry to say.
I suppose the 'good' news is that its *potentially* a fine truck, if you
can get them to fix it properly.
Unfortunately, reliability and quality control do not appear to be its
strong suits. Thank god mine's leased.


Frank Kolnick,
Basis Computer Systems Inc.

Chris La Liberte

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Oct 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/24/96
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Just a note:
A fomer work associate of mine purchased the hi-dollar 4dr and complained
of vibration at speed. The dealer suspected a "strut" and held on to the
vehicle for about a month before the part came in. After they installed it
and gave it back to him the problem was still there. So back to the dealer
it went and they eventually found the problem - a loose hood hinge mount.

Chris La Liberte
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'87 Samurai JX conv. & '95 Tracker Lsi w/Lock-Rite


Anthony Childers

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Oct 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/24/96
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I hear you Frank,

I really like the new Toyota 4Runner too. I was put off by the higher
price. If you figure in the higher re-sale value and all of the
agrivation I have had over the Blazer the 4Runner seems like a sweet
deal.

I hate to say it but next time I am buying a Toyota. Maybe next time is
not so far away if Chevy keeps rubbing me the wrong way!

Anthony Childers

Dave Schwartz

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Oct 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/24/96
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In article <326BEB...@lexmark.com>,

Anthony Childers <chil...@lexmark.com> wrote:
>My 1996 Chevy Blazer has been nothing but trouble since I purchased it
>new a few months ago. I had test driven some used blazers and a couple
>of new ones and liked the way they drove and performed. The mistake I
>made was not thoroughly test driving the one I purchased. I was just
>wondering if anyone else was as sick as I am over their new blazer;

Nope - I am well pleased. My truck is now over one year old and has been
to the dealer twice - once for the valve seal replacement that you must
have heard about and once for the power seat wire under the driver's foot
well broke. Have to take it back again because the tech disconnected the
key-in/door-open buzzer when working on the latter, but I don't want to
take the time for just this one item and there has been no other reason.

>here are the problems.
>
>The truck vibrates when traveling above 60mph. I have had the tires
>balanced and the dealership even put new tires and rims on the truck to
>try and solve the problem; didn't work. The vibration is the kind you
>feel in the seat, not the steering wheel. It is severe enough to vibrate
>the passenger seat and drivers side mirror.

Something is not properly balanced in the drivetrain. You have now eliminated
the tires and wheels - it is time for the service dept to crack open the
service manual and go through the other 90% of the section on vibrations.
Vibrations you feel in the butt are always drivetrain - you feel alignment/
suspension in the hands. First thing that should be checked is the condition
of all mounting points and then the balance of the driveshaft(s).

>The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" well.
>The "valley" in the steering and the "sports-car" like handling that
>Chevy describes is not there at all. The truck seems to drift all over
>the road.

Have you had the alignment checked. Initial adjustments are usually done
under warranty. The steering is a little more vague than my previous
Celica but there is no wandering problem. Perhaps you made the mistake
of getting the marshmallow suspension package which IS down-right
scary.

>Finally, the engine. This is my biggest dissapointment since I bought a
>Chevy for the engine and drive-train. The engine rattles and pings like
>it is going to fall apart. It seems very weak and under-powered. In
>order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
>to get the truck to downshift.

Pinging is a problem that should have been cured by the valve seal
campaign but I would have thought that a vehicle bought "a few months"
ago would have been produced well after they readjusted the machine
that was at fault. Did your vehicle sit on a lot for a long time
before you bought it? Get them to check the VIN against the service
campaign to see it it is subject but not done (there will be a sticker
on the fan shroud if it was done).

Point out that a large part of the second volume of the service manual
set is devoted to driveability issues and to get reading!

What rear-end ratio did you get? If you got the 3.13 for fuel economy, that
might be part of your problem. I got the 3.43 ratio because that was
the only ratio you could get with the Locking Differential option.
The acceleration is quite good (although I don't use it very often cause
the gas mileage goes in the dumper) and the sound of the six at full grunt
is sweet, if a little loud (I guess that's why they call it the 'loud pedal').
If you got the 3.73 gears, they should really boogie!

If you are talking about acceleration on the highway, you really do have
to kick out of overdrive. The overdrive gear is REALLY tall and doesn't
give have much acceleration capability (I think the drive ratio drops from
1:1 in third to .7 in OD).

>Please post or e-mail if you are having the same problems. If anyone has
>an suggestions as to what might be wrong please let me know.

My suggestion is to take it back and tell them that they are now on the
second of the three service visits they talk about in the Lemon Law.

.............Dave

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Mark Chase

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Oct 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/24/96
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Frank Kolnick wrote:
>
> Anthony Childers <chil...@lexmark.com> wrote:
>
> >My 1996 Chevy Blazer has been nothing but trouble since I purchased it
> >new a few months ago. I had test driven some used blazers and a couple
> >of new ones and liked the way they drove and performed. The mistake I
> >made was not thoroughly test driving the one I purchased. I was just
> >wondering if anyone else was as sick as I am over their new blazer; here

> >are the problems.
> >
> >The truck vibrates when traveling above 60mph. I have had the tires
> >balanced and the dealership even put new tires and rims on the truck to
> >try and solve the problem; didn't work. The vibration is the kind you
> >feel in the seat, not the steering wheel. It is severe enough to vibrate
> >the passenger seat and drivers side mirror.
> >
> >The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" well.
> >The "valley" in the steering and the "sports-car" like handling that
> >Chevy describes is not there at all. The truck seems to drift all over
> >the road.
> >
> >Finally, the engine. This is my biggest dissapointment since I bought a
> >Chevy for the engine and drive-train. The engine rattles and pings like
> >it is going to fall apart. It seems very weak and under-powered. In
> >order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
> >to get the truck to downshift.
> >
> >Please post or e-mail if you are having the same problems. If anyone has
> >an suggestions as to what might be wrong please let me know.
>
> I've got a 95. It's a very nice vehicle, when it runs. Mine's been in the
> shop more in its first year than my previous three vehicles *combined*.
>
> Anyway, it recently spent a week having the front axle torn apart to
> remedy a chronic vibration. Apparently (according to the service manager)
> this is a 'common' problem in Blazers (they diagnosed my problem
> immediately, as they'd just done the same thing to another 95 the
> week before.) The bad news is the problem can't really be fixed. However,
> yours sounds much worse than mine.
>
> Otherwise, I'd say the vehicle handles and accelerates very well. That's
> why I got it, and it was the best of the bunch for my tastes last year.
> (This year, it would be the new 4Runner, no contest.) Sounds like your
> Blazer needs an overhaul of practically everything, I'm sorry to say.
> I suppose the 'good' news is that its *potentially* a fine truck, if you
> can get them to fix it properly.
> Unfortunately, reliability and quality control do not appear to be its
> strong suits. Thank god mine's leased.
>
> Frank Kolnick,
> Basis Computer Systems Inc.

I also own a '95, and have had NO service problems at all. The only
time it's been back to the dealer was to have recall work done to the
fuel tank. Other than that, my only complaint is an occasional nuisance
level squeak (at idle) and a ping-like sound during mild acceleration.
Of course, both the noises dissapear when a bit more right foot is
applied.

As a former Porsche owner/driver, I don't understand the "sports-car
like" comparison. My truck handles like a truck, a quiet, smooth riding
truck, at speeds well over 60.

James Glass

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Oct 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/24/96
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In article <54haj1$d...@kira.peak.org>, kni...@kira.peak.org (Knight) wrote:

>In article <326C01...@mcs.net>, James V. Reagan <jre...@mcs.net> wrote:

>>Anthony Childers wrote:
>>>
>>> My 1996 Chevy Blazer has been nothing but trouble since I purchased it
>>> new a few months ago. I had test driven some used blazers and a couple
>>> of new ones and liked the way they drove and performed. The mistake I
>>> made was not thoroughly test driving the one I purchased. I was just
>>> wondering if anyone else was as sick as I am over their new blazer; here
>>> are the problems.
>>>


Bwahahah - Same thing when I was test driving new 96s and used 96s and
95s. This is typical of GM - the Vortec is a steenkinnnng pile of
rubble... Virtually all of my test drives showed various vibrations that
the dealer grunt attributed to tires and etc. The GM steering is
reminiscent of the 1970's no road feel just swing that steering wheel from
side to side while yur holding yur honey with the other arm. In my test
drives, there were times when I just lost all contact with the road. I
was still interested until my wife asked how to get the back seats down,
and I said, "just like this..." and grabbed that handle and the whole
mechanism just came out of the seat into my hand.

So I went out and bought a new Trooper and it is everything that the
Blazer and Jimmy aren't and I'm really pleased. Now if you'll excuse me,
my Trooper just went inverted again all on its own./jim

--

Jim

Al Huppenthal

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> Anthony Childers <chil...@lexmark.com> wrote:
>

>My 1996 Chevy Blazer has been nothing but trouble since I purchased it
>new a few months ago. I had test driven some used blazers and a couple
>of new ones and liked the way they drove and performed. The mistake I
>made was not thoroughly test driving the one I purchased. I was just
>wondering if anyone else was as sick as I am over their new blazer; here
>are the problems.
>

>The truck vibrates when traveling above 60mph. I have had the tires
>balanced and the dealership even put new tires and rims on the truck to
>try and solve the problem; didn't work. The vibration is the kind you
>feel in the seat, not the steering wheel. It is severe enough to vibrate
>the passenger seat and drivers side mirror.
>
>The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" well.
>The "valley" in the steering and the "sports-car" like handling that
>Chevy describes is not there at all. The truck seems to drift all over
>the road.
>
>Finally, the engine. This is my biggest dissapointment since I bought a
>Chevy for the engine and drive-train. The engine rattles and pings like
>it is going to fall apart. It seems very weak and under-powered. In
>order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
>to get the truck to downshift.
>
>Please post or e-mail if you are having the same problems. If anyone has
>an suggestions as to what might be wrong please let me know.


The vibration you are describing sounds more like an out of balance drive
shaft, engine or transmission. I had the drifting problem and finally
solved it by pumping the tires to 38lbs., the dealer had them set at 30
which made them too soft, cornering was always delayed and sloppy. Now it
handles great, for a truck.

After the initial break in, the engine seems to have plenty of power, its
almost too responsive from a stand still and not bad at 60-70. You
definitely have to shift out of over drive to get any acceleration.

The ping and rattle sound really strange, something wrong with the engine's
computer. I have used low grade mid and hi test and the engine has never
pinged.

Until today, except for a couple of annoying squeaks, I have been pretty
happy with my Blazer.

I just finished paying for a brake job that the dealer claims is normal
wear and I'd like to know if anyone else has experienced any strange brake
pad wear. One pad was worn to the point of rubbing against the rotor, the
other three pads have at least 1/4 in of pad left. I don't know a lot
about cars, but this does not sound like normal brake wear. Anyone else had
this?

Well, another 18 months and the lease will be over, time to look at the
imports again.

Al Huppenthal


C. Taylor Sutherland III

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Oct 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/25/96
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In article <tcartwright...@vnsand1.geolab.emr.ca> tcart...@vnsand1.geolab.emr.ca (Tim Cartwright) writes:
> In article <326BEB...@lexmark.com> Anthony Childers <chil...@lexmark.com> writes:
>
Well I don't know about shimmys but I blew two seals on a 12K x-country
trip...one rear pinion seal and one shifter gasket. That really pissed me
off. The the seat release latch broke on the passenger seat and ripped the
cover. Recently, my steering wheel has popped loose (and gone back into
place) which I didn't like. The Goodyear on/off road tires that came with
the Z-71 package stink. I had a tow-in for 3K miles and it wore one tire
down so bad I have to keep that tire on the back to avoid tracking one way
or the other. And the last thing is that I can't shift too well into
second when the engine is cold. 5 minutes after start, it's relatively
fine, but still. I'm past due for a check-up anyway for that.

Other than that, it's a nice truck. :)

The handling (even with the shitty tires) is really great and the pickup is
definately there. It hesitates (bounces) a bit while accelerating hard,
but I'm beginning to thing that it's the tires doing that. Maybe mine
handles fine because it is the off-road suspension.


>
> >The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" well.
>

> radials, the other an all season tread. They were both susceptible to cross
> winds, as all UTES of this type are.

Didn't notice that a whole lot while travelling in the plains last month
and there were some serious winds out there. What I did notice I chalked
up to the cheap-ass tires. I think I'll go Michelin the next time around.

> >order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
> >to get the truck to downshift.
>

Simple answer...manual tranny :)

> I was really disappointed with both trucks power. I think the claimed HP of
> these 'Vortec' V-6's is greatly exaggerated. Also, One of the trucks
> "pinged" brutally at part throttle, the other not at all. The accelerator

Mine does do this, but only when I don't feed it 92+ octane gas.

> problem is actually a 'feature' of the new GM's. It is supposed to allow a
> more controlled application of the throttle from idle. It drove me nuts too.
> You must also remember that this 'truck' weighs over 4000lbs, thus it will
> never be a rocket of the line.

This is true. It's not a feature at all. GM should just admit that it's a
BUG in their computer programming. It doesn't (timing adjustment) change
fast enough in idling conditions.


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Adam Levin

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Oct 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/25/96
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Al Huppenthal (AlH...@cris.com) wrote:
: I just finished paying for a brake job that the dealer claims is normal

: wear and I'd like to know if anyone else has experienced any strange brake
: pad wear. One pad was worn to the point of rubbing against the rotor, the
: other three pads have at least 1/4 in of pad left. I don't know a lot
: about cars, but this does not sound like normal brake wear. Anyone else had
: this?

I've been very happy with my '95 LS. The acceleration is quite good,
the handling very nice (sport suspension). The cabin is a bit noisy,
but I didn't expect a Lexus, after all. The major complaint I have is
the brakes. I hate the ABS, and I want to disable it. Anyone know
how?

I did the front brake pads myself at 14000 miles because they were
down to the rivets -- I don't know whose pads Chevy uses, but they
were junk.

As an aside, anyone know if I can upgrade from my 235/75-15s to
31x10.5x15 without a lift kit? That's about a two inch difference in
tire size. I'm also not sure if the spare will fit in the rear
underbody area like it does now. Anyone?

Thanks,
-Adam
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Frank Kolnick

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In article <327023...@ix.netcom.com>
Anthony Childers <chil...@ix.netcom.com> writes:

> I hear you Frank,
>
> I really like the new Toyota 4Runner too. I was put off by the higher
> price. If you figure in the higher re-sale value and all of the
> agrivation I have had over the Blazer the 4Runner seems like a sweet
> deal.
>
> I hate to say it but next time I am buying a Toyota. Maybe next time is
> not so far away if Chevy keeps rubbing me the wrong way!
>
> Anthony Childers

:-)

Actually, to answer your original question, I don't hate my Blazer, and
I originally really liked it a lot. However, I need a vehicle almost every
day, and not having one for approx. one month out of the year is just not
acceptable to me. Now, I'm simply disappointed and that, combined with
numerous annoying ergonomic quirks (just *try* to get a CD into the
player while driving, for example; the stupid shift lever is directly in
front of it) and defects (of course you only notice the broken rear
seatbelt buckle when you're about to strap your kid in to go on a long
vacation) will force me to reconsider.

In comparison, we have a seven year old Camry which *never* breaks and
had no quality control problems. I'm sure there are people with crappy
Toyotas and those with perfect GM SUVs, but you go with what you know :-)

C. Taylor Sutherland III

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> Until today, except for a couple of annoying squeaks, I have been pretty
> happy with my Blazer.
>
> I just finished paying for a brake job that the dealer claims is normal
> wear and I'd like to know if anyone else has experienced any strange brake
> pad wear. One pad was worn to the point of rubbing against the rotor, the
> other three pads have at least 1/4 in of pad left. I don't know a lot
> about cars, but this does not sound like normal brake wear. Anyone else had
> this?
>
> Well, another 18 months and the lease will be over, time to look at the
> imports again.
>
> Al Huppenthal

25K on mine and the brake pads had to be replaced. That is not
normal...for cars. I don't know why it should be normal for a Blazer.
Some cars weigh just as much as a Blazer and also have the noisy ABS...the
kind that bark at you when they actually get turned on (when you hit a
pothole after slamming on the brakes).

I am buying mine. I plan to run it into the ground, just like I did my
last Blazer. Maybe I'll get a few more miles out of this one though. I AM
DEFINITELY going to get that extending warranty, however.

John Gietzel

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> >The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" well.
> >The "valley" in the steering and the "sports-car" like handling that
> >Chevy describes is not there at all. The truck seems to drift all over
> >the road.


When I test drove a '95 blazer, I slammed on the brakes at high way speed and
the truck began pitching so hard that I had to correct left to right... The
thing felt like it was going to flip. I've heard of many other
complaints/potential problems with this trucks' breaks.

john


Todd R. Rose

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Oct 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/29/96
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John Gietzel wrote:
>
> > >The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" > When I test drove a '95 blazer, I slammed on the brakes at high way speed and

> the truck began pitching so hard that I had to correct left to right... The
> thing felt like it was going to flip. I've heard of many other
> complaints/potential problems with this trucks' breaks.

Dear John,

I am sure that the current owner wonders why his brake pads were
destroyed when he followed the owners manual's recommendation to *not*
apply the brakes in this manner for the first 200 miles.
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Simon Doherty

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Oct 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/29/96
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Hello all,

Anthony Childers <chil...@lexmark.com> wrote:

>My 1996 Chevy Blazer has been nothing but trouble since I purchased it
>new a few months ago. I had test driven some used blazers and a couple
>of new ones and liked the way they drove and performed. The mistake I
>made was not thoroughly test driving the one I purchased. I was just

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is a huge mistake.


>wondering if anyone else was as sick as I am over their new blazer; here
>are the problems.

I love my 96 Blazer.

>The truck vibrates when traveling above 60mph.

No problem here. The vehicle is very smooth on the highway even at well above
legal speeds.

>I have had the tires
>balanced and the dealership even put new tires and rims on the truck to
>try and solve the problem; didn't work. The vibration is the kind you
>feel in the seat, not the steering wheel. It is severe enough to vibrate
>the passenger seat and drivers side mirror.

Sounds like drivetrain problems to me.

>The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" well.
>The "valley" in the steering and the "sports-car" like handling that
>Chevy describes is not there at all. The truck seems to drift all over
>the road.

I have no problems with this. Of course like all high profile vehicles wind
plays a major factor. In addition I believe that the "sports-car" handling is
in comparision with many of its competitors. The Blazer really does handle well
for a 2 ton truck.

>Finally, the engine. This is my biggest dissapointment since I bought a
>Chevy for the engine and drive-train. The engine rattles and pings like
>it is going to fall apart.

I have no problems with engine noises. Are you using high octane gas?

>It seems very weak and under-powered. In

>order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
>to get the truck to downshift.

At the beginning of the post you said you thought the Blazers performed well.
Do you feel that YOUR Blazer is under powered?

Kick the accelerator????? I think you have been mistreating your truck. Try
pressing the accelerator, it works much better. Or better yet get a 5 speed.

I got the 3.43 gearing and my Blazer has plenty of pickup.

>Please post or e-mail if you are having the same problems. If anyone has
>an suggestions as to what might be wrong please let me know.

Simon Doherty
si...@hops.wharton.upenn.edu

Chris Allen

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Oct 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/29/96
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In article <327640...@students.wisc.edu>, "Todd R. Rose" <trr...@students.wisc.edu> wrote:
>John Gietzel wrote:
>>
>> > >The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" > When
> I test drove a '95 blazer, I slammed on the brakes at high way speed and
>> the truck began pitching so hard that I had to correct left to right... The
>> thing felt like it was going to flip. I've heard of many other
>> complaints/potential problems with this trucks' breaks.
>
>Dear John,
>
>I am sure that the current owner wonders why his brake pads were
>destroyed when he followed the owners manual's recommendation to *not*
>apply the brakes in this manner for the first 200 miles.


No, he'll understand when he realizes that it is a product of UAW labor. "Buy
America...every 80k miles"

Daryl Drake

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Why do you think they call 'em DEMOs?


sjoh...@sky.net

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Si...@hops.wharton.upenn.edu (Simon Doherty) wrote:

>>The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" well.
>>The "valley" in the steering and the "sports-car" like handling that
>>Chevy describes is not there at all. The truck seems to drift all over
>>the road.

>I have no problems with this. Of course like all high profile vehicles wind
>plays a major factor. In addition I believe that the "sports-car" handling is
>in comparision with many of its competitors. The Blazer really does handle well
>for a 2 ton truck.

>>Finally, the engine. This is my biggest dissapointment since I bought a
>>Chevy for the engine and drive-train. The engine rattles and pings like
>>it is going to fall apart.

>>It seems very weak and under-powered. In


>>order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
>>to get the truck to downshift.

More proof that if you need a car, and expect the performance of a
car, buy a car, not a truck!


-Scott A Johnson
http://www.sky.net/~sjohnson
"Give me ambiguity or give me something else."


cr...@cas.org

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Oct 30, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/30/96
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In article <326CCA...@lexmark.com> chil...@lexmark.com writes:

>Anthony Childers wrote:
>>
>> My 1996 Chevy Blazer has been nothing but trouble since I purchased it
>> new a few months ago. I had test driven some used blazers and a couple
>> of new ones and liked the way they drove and performed. The mistake I
>> made was not thoroughly test driving the one I purchased. I was just
>> wondering if anyone else was as sick as I am over their new blazer; here
>> are the problems.
>>
>> The truck vibrates when traveling above 60mph. I have had the tires

>> balanced and the dealership even put new tires and rims on the truck to
>> try and solve the problem; didn't work. The vibration is the kind you
>> feel in the seat, not the steering wheel. It is severe enough to vibrate
>> the passenger seat and drivers side mirror.
>>
I've got a 96 Jimmy with > 12K miles (of which 5K was one 2 week trip). I was
very impressed with the lack of vibration at high speeds. I expected some
problems after taking it through some very dusty gravel roads in AZ back-
country but nary a one has appeared so far.

>> The handling is not at all good either. The truck does not "track" well.
>> The "valley" in the steering and the "sports-car" like handling that
>> Chevy describes is not there at all. The truck seems to drift all over
>> the road.
>>

Being my last 9 years were spent driving an RX-7, I didn't expect sports
car handling from anything short of a sports car and confirm that expectation.
Having test driven several SUV's however and also driven a pick up for
several years as well, I found the Jimmy's handling to be exceptional for
it's build. The stability far exceeds what I expected (can you say Trooper?)
and I was satisfied at the feedback I do get, even though I'm used to and
prefer maunal steering for absolute feedback. That feedback was one strength
over the others I tested, though again- not up to RX-7 standards. NO drifting.

>> Finally, the engine. This is my biggest dissapointment since I bought a
>> Chevy for the engine and drive-train. The engine rattles and pings like
>> it is going to fall apart. It seems very weak and under-powered. In
>> order to accelerate even a little bit you have to kick the accelerator
>> to get the truck to downshift.
>>

Again, the vertec exceeded all the other SUV's except the Jeep V-8, but
used 2 mpg less. Now there is indeed a doggie hidden in there when the
A/C is turned on, but again, this was common in all the SUV's. I did
find the power very good indeed sans the A/C and was the final selling
point besides price that sold it.

>> Please post or e-mail if you are having the same problems. If anyone has
>> an suggestions as to what might be wrong please let me know.
>

My only suggestion here is you have what seems to be either a lemon that's
haunted beyond repair, or an inept dealership attempting repairs they cannot
do. The vibrations & drifting seem somewhat related, which are often
attributed to tires. I am not overly impressed with the Goodyear Wranglers
that came with it, though I've not had your problems. I will upgrade to
BF Goodrich when the time comes, as they are often mentioned in this
newsgroup approvingly. Look for abnormal wear signs & if found- ask a Good-
year dealer about it. The engine problems are again alien, but assuming
the vehicle is standard, I would suspect the gas. I use 87 octane with
no probs, but stick with Shell or BP (ie: name-brand gas). You might
try some STP/Gumount treatment and switching to a premium grade and see
if results improve- sort of trial by error. Having also spent many a year
riding motorcycles, I found the quality of gasolines are not all the same
and these differences show up real quick in a smaller engine. They are
less immediate and apparent in large 4.2 L engines, but no less damaging.

Switching dealerships is the hardest problem, being what I hate about new
vehicles in the first place- warranty requirements. If there is another
GM dealership that has some expertise with Jimmy's/Blazers, you could try
that, but going outside GM can mean warranty problems if the engine/drive
train is faulty, unless you have it diagnosed only.

Good luck-
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Bill Rees

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Nov 1, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/1/96
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Anthony,

Dump the Blazer. I bought a used '93 loaded LT Tahoe last year with
about 45K and have had NOTHING but problems as well. Here is my list of
problems:

o Rear seat belt mechanism broke.
o both torsion bar mounts rotted out. These hold the bars to the frame.
o Alloy wheels have started to loose the coating and oxidize.
o Stolen once and stereo stolen 2x. These things are EASY to steal or
break into.
o Upper intake manifold gasket rotted away and had to be replaced.
o Electronic 4WD not working anymore. It looks like I will have to
shell out $350 for a new transfer case motor!
o Stupid, rear tire mount swings open at will.
o Rattles and shakes. My Honda with 120K doesn't rattle as much!!

(BTW, the truck now has 60K miles on it. Am I expecting too much?)

This thing is a real piece of crap and I have regretted the purchase
ever since 2 weeks after I took it home from the used car dealer.

My next truck will be a Toyota, Ford, or Jeep but definitely *NOT* a
Chevy. GM really needs to improve their quality.

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Chris Allen

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Nov 1, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/1/96
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No, GM needs to dump their UAW labor and hire people who 1) know what their
labor is worth and 2)actually care about the image their company has. Buy the
Toyota. It has been my experience that Ford and Chevy are junk also. The
only Jeep I have had experience with was reasonably nice, but lacked
acceleration for a 6 cylinder engine. I don't remember the name, but Toyota's
large truck model is nice. Everyone I know who has one swears by it.

Chris

Victor Smith

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Nov 2, 1996, 3:00:00 AM11/2/96
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On Fri, 01 Nov 96 15:08:50 GMT, bi...@pipeline.com (Chris Allen) wrote:

>>
>No, GM needs to dump their UAW labor and hire people who 1) know what their
>labor is worth and 2)actually care about the image their company has. Buy the
>Toyota. It has been my experience that Ford and Chevy are junk also. The
>only Jeep I have had experience with was reasonably nice, but lacked
>acceleration for a 6 cylinder engine. I don't remember the name, but Toyota's
>large truck model is nice. Everyone I know who has one swears by it.
>
>Chris

But avoid the Toyota Tacoma, as it is built with UAW labor.
And Chryslers, same sad story, UAW labor. And of course the Toyata Corolla
must be junk also. The list is extensive. I won't bore you.
You might gain more credence for your criticism of American workers by
carrying that criticism to its logical conclusion: since UAW members are
fairly representive of the American population in general, American
management, engineering, science, and education also suck.
Perhaps you don't make this argument because to do so would be
self-indicting, as you must also be overpaid and uncaring about the image
of your company.
But perhaps you are not an American, and immune from the association.
Be that as it may, you are not immune from ignorance, as you have proven.
German autoworkers earn 50% more than UAW members. Japanese
autoworkers (all union members, FYI) earn 15% more than UAW members. This
is one compelling reason for the Germans and Japanese to build auto plants
in the U.S
Of course these facts won't stop your drivel, as you apparently think
youself superior to these autoworkers, and resent their wages.
If that be true, the only solace I can offer you is this: tough shit.

--Vic

Chris Allen

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Ken Payne wrote:

>No, GM needs to dump their UAW labor and hire people who 1) know what their
>labor is worth and 2)actually care about the image their company has. Buy
the
>Toyota. It has been my experience that Ford and Chevy are junk also. The
>only Jeep I have had experience with was reasonably nice, but lacked
>acceleration for a 6 cylinder engine. I don't remember the name, but
Toyota's
>large truck model is nice. Everyone I know who has one swears by it.
>
>Chris


>Ok Chris, just what is your experience with Ford and Chevy?

Quite a bit. My father and grandfather have owned both ford and chevy trucks.
Plus, a job I used to pay my way thru school with (manual labor, construction
related work) used ford and chevy trucks.


> You must be completely ignorant about trucks if you think the Toy
>T100 is a nice truck.
I have never driven one, but those I know with them like them.


>They haven't the slightest clue about building
>a full size truck, the differentual is small, the axles undersized,
>even the freakin leaf springs are under the axles instead of over
>them! This is something that increases reliability with heavy
>loads tremendously - something American auto companies figured out
>50 years ago, I guess the Japs haven't yet. Not to mention a
>low torque V6 instead of a straight 6 or V8. Everyone I know who has
>one and tries to use it for serious work swears at it, not by it.
>Its a toy, not a truck. Then again, it may be strudy enough for
>the weekend warrior road trip from the local yuppie pub, hauling a
>fat-*ssed, over-maked-up drunk girlfriend home.

I take it you don't like yuppies either. I personally don't have too much
respect for "car people" who can't handle their own maintenance either. I am
probably the only IT consultant in my company that can work on a car or do my
own welding (I bet you didn't think the "yuppie" was capable of this type of
work, did you?).

>What do you have against the UAW? Their workers make *less*
>than Japanese and German workers! Last time I checked, the
>Jeep (which you seem to approve of) is also made by the UAW - duh!

Quite a bit. They are forever whining about their "mistreatment" at the hands
of "evil" management. Plus, I don't mind autoworkers making good money as
long as the end product is good. I recently drove a 1986 model BMW 325is
(90k miles, approx $20k new). It was as rattle free and solid as a new car.
It also ran like a new car (started instantly, very strong engine, quiet
running). I didn't approve or disaprove of the Jeep. I just said it was
reasonably nice. I also made a comment about the lack of power it had.


>My 1967 Ford F100 has no body rust (original paint), and 272,000
>miles on it and will still outhaul any Japanese "truck" and
>out accelerate alot of the Japanese "sports cars" (its got a built
>390 V8).

That's good. But remember, your truck was made back when Ford (and chevy)
could make decent vehicles. I wouldn't mind owning a vehicle from that era
myself. Many of my friends have cars from those days and I think they are
pretty good vehicles for the most part.

As far as out accelerating the japanese "sports cars" goes, which cars are you
talking about? Plus, can your truck out perform the "sports cars" in an
AUTOCROSS (more of a performance meter than drag racing-combines speed and
handling)? Also, what kind of mileage do you get for your speed?


>Americans know alot more about building reliable trucks than
>anyone - period, end of sentence.

mhv.net

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>>>Americans know alot more about building reliable trucks than
>>>anyone - period, end of sentence.
>
>

>-Ken, 1967 F100, 390FE V8

Ken, I have owned numerous full sized Chevys and Fords as well
as an S10 and a Ranger. I have owned a Toyota 4X4 PU since I bought
it new in 1989. I can say that if you need a full sized pickup, then
buy a full sized pickup (but if you want to work with it, buy a heavily
sprung 1/2 ton or better yet a 3/4 or better). That being said,
I disagree with your last statement. My Toyota amazed me when
it came to reliability (and servicability). They really pay attention
to details. It has grease fittings on all the universals. It has
drain and fill plugs in transmission, xfer case, and differentials.
The emergency brake cables do not hang under the truck, they
are routed above everything and actuate levers at the top of
the rear hub housings. The torsion bars are on the upper A-arm,
and out of the way (the 2wds have them on the lower A-arms).
No vacuum or electrics to fail when switching to 4WD. It has
manual hubs and a stick that goes directly into the xfer case.
Also, so far, the 22R-E engine has been completely reliable. a
I haul 6 to 8 cords of wood a year in it, and take it through some
pretty gruesome logging trails (that I sometimes have to make
myself). I could go on and on, but I think you get the idea.
Larry

Steve Winters

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Ken Payne wrote:

>
> bi...@pipeline.com (Chris Allen) wrote:
>
> >In article <327A0F...@bellhow.com>, Bill Rees <Bill...@bellhow.com> wrote:
> >>Anthony,
> >>
> >>Dump the Blazer. I bought a used '93 loaded LT Tahoe last year with
> >>about 45K and have had NOTHING but problems as well. Here is my list of
> >>problems:
> >>
> >>o Rear seat belt mechanism broke.
> >>o both torsion bar mounts rotted out. These hold the bars to the frame.
> >>o Alloy wheels have started to loose the coating and oxidize.
> >>o Stolen once and stereo stolen 2x. These things are EASY to steal or
> >>break into.
> >>o Upper intake manifold gasket rotted away and had to be replaced.
> >>o Electronic 4WD not working anymore. It looks like I will have to
> >>shell out $350 for a new transfer case motor!
> >>o Stupid, rear tire mount swings open at will.
> >>o Rattles and shakes. My Honda with 120K doesn't rattle as much!!
> >>
> >>(BTW, the truck now has 60K miles on it. Am I expecting too much?)
> >>
> >>This thing is a real piece of crap and I have regretted the purchase
> >>ever since 2 weeks after I took it home from the used car dealer.
> >>
> >>My next truck will be a Toyota, Ford, or Jeep but definitely *NOT* a
> >>Chevy. GM really needs to improve their quality.
> >>
> >No, GM needs to dump their UAW labor and hire people who 1) know what their
> >labor is worth and 2)actually care about the image their company has. Buy the
> >Toyota. It has been my experience that Ford and Chevy are junk also. The
> >only Jeep I have had experience with was reasonably nice, but lacked
> >acceleration for a 6 cylinder engine. I don't remember the name, but Toyota's
> >large truck model is nice. Everyone I know who has one swears by it.
> >
> >Chris
>
> Ok Chris, just what is your experience with Ford and Chevy? You

> must be completely ignorant about trucks if you think the Toy
> T100 is a nice truck. They haven't the slightest clue about building

> a full size truck, the differentual is small, the axles undersized,
> even the freakin leaf springs are under the axles instead of over
> them! This is something that increases reliability with heavy
> loads tremendously - something American auto companies figured out
> 50 years ago, I guess the Japs haven't yet. Not to mention a
> low torque V6 instead of a straight 6 or V8. Everyone I know who has
> one and tries to use it for serious work swears at it, not by it.
> Its a toy, not a truck. Then again, it may be strudy enough for
> the weekend warrior road trip from the local yuppie pub, hauling a
> fat-*ssed, over-maked-up drunk girlfriend home.
>
> What do you have against the UAW? Their workers make *less*
> than Japanese and German workers! Last time I checked, the
> Jeep (which you seem to approve of) is also made by the UAW - duh!
>
> My 1967 Ford F100 has no body rust (original paint), and 272,000
> miles on it and will still outhaul any Japanese "truck" and
> out accelerate alot of the Japanese "sports cars" (its got a built
> 390 V8).
>
> Americans know alot more about building reliable trucks than
> anyone - period, end of sentence.

Gentlemen,
My Chevy K1500 is a high quality, well built vehicle. For the cost of a
RAV4, I got a 4WD regular cab, short bed, 350, 5-speed, Silverado, Z71
off road package, locking differential, aluminum wheels, P265-75/R16
tires, seat and radio upgrades, sliding rear window, Lojack, etc. My
truck was abiut $3K less than a comparably equipped T100. The only
factory defects were loose weatherstripping above the doors and a small
paint defect on the rocker panel behind the driver's door. I now have
10K miles on it with not one electrical or mechanical problem. My
experience is that a car lasts if it is taken care of. My old truck
was a 77 Chevy C10. The only major problem in 170K miles was the
manual transmission which had to be replaced at 110K miles. My daughter
drives it now. My Camaro also has about 170K miles on it. It has
required more work than the truck, but still runs strong and reliably.
My $0.02.
--
Cheers,
Steve
82 Z28
96 K1500
The opinions expressed here are mine alone and do not represent those of
my employer or any one else.

Bill Rees

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Steve Winters wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> My Chevy K1500 is a high quality, well built vehicle. For the cost of a
> RAV4, I got a 4WD regular cab, short bed, 350, 5-speed, Silverado, Z71
> off road package, locking differential, aluminum wheels, P265-75/R16
> tires, seat and radio upgrades, sliding rear window, Lojack, etc. My
> truck was abiut $3K less than a comparably equipped T100. The only
> factory defects were loose weatherstripping above the doors and a small
> paint defect on the rocker panel behind the driver's door. I now have
> 10K miles on it with not one electrical or mechanical problem. My
> experience is that a car lasts if it is taken care of. My old truck
> was a 77 Chevy C10. The only major problem in 170K miles was the
> manual transmission which had to be replaced at 110K miles. My daughter
> drives it now. My Camaro also has about 170K miles on it. It has
> required more work than the truck, but still runs strong and reliably.
> My $0.02.
> -

Well, I'll add a new item to my list:

This weekend I discoverd that the BARE wire connected to the rear
defroster had broken from the rear window.

I'm also pissed because its been a month and neither me nor the DEALER
has any idea what is wrong with my electronic transfer case in my
Blazer. We had a bad storm this weekend and the truck has alot of
traction problems.

Now I like my Chevy because it is powerful and "tough" with thicker
metal, etc. but the BUILD QUALITY cannot TOUCH the Hondas that I've
owned. Isn't Chevy EMBARRASSED to sell this crap?! Every time I fix
one item, something else breaks and I DO TAKE VERY GOOD CARE of my
vehicles!!!

The SAD thing about all of this is that because of the LOW resale value
of these vehicle, I cannot even sell off the truck and purchase another
vehicle so I'm stuck with it!

My list of broken items doesn't include wear out items that I've
replaced early because of cheap factory originals

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