The Club anti-theft device -- Does it really work?
Patrick L Dunn
I was wondering if anyone out there has any stories about this thing. Is it
worth the $40.00?
Later--
PDunn
Eric Sotnak
>I was wondering if anyone out there has any stories about this thing. Is it
>worth the $40.00?
The Club will only deter theives who have are not carrying a hacksaw or
other means of cutting through the club or steering wheel. That is, casual
theives may be deterred somewhat, but serious theives will get your car (for
the most part no matter what you do short of rigging something to zap them
with 200,000 volts when they try to break in. Unfortunately, the latter
option is not legal, and might be somewhat difficult to implement...
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Philip Schielke
>worth the $40.00?
IMHO it serves as a deterrent to would be joyriders. If they really want
your car they can still get it. I use one, but then I drive an '84 olds,
which (I hope) is not of much interest to the pro car thief. If they're just
looking for random cars to steal, and they see a club on yours, they might
as well just go find one without a club. Might as well buy one.
-Phil
Michael Shell
I saw a news program recently...was it Primetime Live? At any rate, any thief
with a hacksaw can defeat the Club in about 20 secs by hacksawing a slot in
your steering wheel. You can also remove the Club without harming the car by
using water, freon and a heavy mallet to shatter the lock mechinism - although
this is rarely used by thieves since it takes longer. Even the most simple
minded of thieves carries a slimjim and a hacksaw - They won't leave home
without them. If you are going to spend $40, spend it on anything but the Club.
It is utterly worthless.
In a related story, a fellow EE major friend of mine recently bought new
1994 Accura Integra at a local (Atlanta) dealership here. They wanted $700+
for an optional electronic pass key starter disabler security system. My
friend wisely turned down this option. As it turns out, ALL of the cars the
dealer receives are modified to include this "feature". If you don't pay the
$700 bucks, they insert a pass key and snap it off in the connecter so that
it is always disabled. All you need is a pair of pliers to pull out the
remainder of the "key" which is really the end of a circuit board. Just glue
the end onto a small piece of a circuit board and the $700 system is yours free
If you want, you can even make a whole new little circuit board. All it does
is connect together two of the seven or so contacts. ie 7 choose two
combinations -> lame! The only protection they have against meddling is that
the remaining 5 contacts are ground and +12V, so you can cause a fuse to blow
if you randomly join two of the contacts at a time. The solutiom? Check first
with a voltmeter OR short two contacts at a time using a resistor to
prevent the fuse from blowing. I can even envision a circuit built from 7
relays, a 15W/20ohm or so resistor and a binary counter. You could crack
any car under a minute. I'll bet anything the thieves alreadly know this!
They are extremely clever people, you know!
IMHO, the most secure system is one which only you have. If it is anything
mass marketed, the thieves will surely have worked on a plan ahead of time
to defeat it.
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Mike Shell
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Not when you can get a hacksaw, cut through the steering wheel,
and remove the club in about 30 seconds. Or, you can take the
longer route, freeze it with freon, and break it. I think a
wiser investment would be to purchase a car alarm, but even
those can be circumvented. If the theif wants your car bad
enough, he'll get it. Best advice: get good insurance.
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Peter Tong
>In article <2cp5at$i...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pd...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>>
>>I was wondering if anyone out there has any stories about this thing. Is it
>>worth the $40.00?
>>
>>Later--
>>
>>PDunn
>
>
>Not when you can get a hacksaw, cut through the steering wheel,
>and remove the club in about 30 seconds. Or, you can take the
>longer route, freeze it with freon, and break it. I think a
>wiser investment would be to purchase a car alarm, but even
>those can be circumvented. If the theif wants your car bad
>enough, he'll get it. Best advice: get good insurance.
Has anyone tried the one way brake valves. Supposedly you mount these to
your brake system and it locks all the wheels to prevent moving the car.
Any comments?
Peter Tong
'82 2.0 8V VW Cabby
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R.M.S. Vasan
The Club has been advertised in radio and tv media as claiming
that it is (near) impossible to steal a car with the club
"properly" installed.
I just heard recently that a friend's car was stolen, with
the club in place! No doubt, it slows down the novice car-jacker
please don't put absolute trust on such devices.
Best a' luk
R.M.S. Vasan
va...@max.ee.lsu.edu
eev...@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu
Jim Frost
>The Club has been advertised in radio and tv media as claiming
>that it is (near) impossible to steal a car with the club
>"properly" installed.
It's not only possible to defeat the club, it's downright trivial.
The two common techniques are cutting through the steering wheel (a
process that takes just a couple of seconds with bold cutters) and
freezing the Club and smashing it. I think the former technique is
preferred nowadays because it's fast, very reliable, and doesn't
require special tools.
They want you to believe the Club is nearly failsafe but in reality it
is a very minor deterrent.
jim frost
ji...@centerline.com
David Schwarze
: Has anyone tried the one way brake valves. Supposedly you mount these to
: your brake system and it locks all the wheels to prevent moving the car.
: Any comments?
: Peter Tong
: '82 2.0 8V VW Cabby
I saw an ad for one of those systems some time ago - sounded like a
great idea!! I wish I could find the ad for it again...
I would also be interested in hearing of any experiences with devices
of this type.
-David
Bob Rusk
>They want you to believe the Club is nearly failsafe but in reality it
>is a very minor deterrent.
Of course, I recently saw them for about $20.00 at Wal-Mart. A $20.00
investment in convincing the joy-rider to look at the car next to mine
instead of mine sounds pretty worthwhile, in spite of it providing zero
deterrent to professional thieves. Yes, it's been overhyped, and yes, the
prices they often charge for them are ridiculous, but it does seem like
a reasonable device for $20.00.
--
Bob Rusk
rr...@ssd.csd.harris.com
My thoughts, probably not Harris'.
Steven J Orlin
In article <RRUSK.93N...@jade.ssd.csd.harris.com> rr...@ssd.csd.harris.c
om writes:
>
>>They want you to believe the Club is nearly failsafe but in reality it
>>is a very minor deterrent.
>
>investment in convincing the joy-rider to look at the car next to mine
>instead of mine sounds pretty worthwhile, in spite of it providing zero
>deterrent to professional thieves. Yes, it's been overhyped, and yes, the
>prices they often charge for them are ridiculous, but it does seem like
>a reasonable device for $20.00.
A sticker which says: "Warning, owner is armed and dangerous, nothing
inside is worth dieing for"
would do about as much protection as the club.
Steve
Ralf Loserth
>In <2cp5at$i...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pd...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>
>
>>I was wondering if anyone out there has any stories about this thing. Is it
>>worth the $40.00?
>
> The Club will only deter theives who have are not carrying a hacksaw or
>other means of cutting through the club or steering wheel. That is, casual
>theives may be deterred somewhat, but serious theives will get your car (for
>the most part no matter what you do short of rigging something to zap them
>with 200,000 volts when they try to break in. Unfortunately, the latter
>option is not legal, and might be somewhat difficult to implement...
>
>--
Aint it the truth, my neighbor had a Suburban, alarmed, clubbed, and
kill switched, in fron of his bedroom window, with a light shining
right on it, next day it was gone....they found it later....how in the
world do you protect yourself....it seems that if they want your car
bad enough, they will get it!
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Sander Pool
|> In article <1993Nov22.0...@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> es...@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak) writes:
|> >In <2cp5at$i...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pd...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >>I was wondering if anyone out there has any stories about this thing. Is it
|> >>worth the $40.00?
|> >
|> > The Club will only deter theives who have are not carrying a hacksaw or
|> >other means of cutting through the club or steering wheel. That is, casual
|> >theives may be deterred somewhat, but serious theives will get your car (for
|> >the most part no matter what you do short of rigging something to zap them
|> >with 200,000 volts when they try to break in. Unfortunately, the latter
|> >option is not legal, and might be somewhat difficult to implement...
|> >
|> >--
|>
|>
|> Aint it the truth, my neighbor had a Suburban, alarmed, clubbed, and
|> kill switched, in fron of his bedroom window, with a light shining
|> right on it, next day it was gone....they found it later....how in the
|> world do you protect yourself....it seems that if they want your car
|> bad enough, they will get it!
|>
I thought about installing a big can of mace or some other gaseous deterrent
in- and outside my car :-) When it is tinkered with on the outside release
a big cloud of mace (maybe nervegas would be more effective :-) :-), once
he/she is inside and manages to start the engine spray pepper spray from
the steeringwheel. Unfortunately it is impossible to guarantee that
the gas/spray will never go off unintentionally.
Sander
PS the above statements are not to be taken seriously. I don't even have
a 'normal' caralarm or club.
Software Interspec
>pd...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>>I was wondering if anyone out there has any stories about this thing. Is it
>>worth the $40.00?
>Not when you can get a hacksaw, cut through the steering wheel,
>and remove the club in about 30 seconds. Or, you can take the
>longer route, freeze it with freon, and break it. I think a
>wiser investment would be to purchase a car alarm, but even
>those can be circumvented. If the theif wants your car bad
>enough, he'll get it. Best advice: get good insurance.
><> Phil Hyde "if I could only reach that dial inside <>
Well then, the question in my mind is what percentage of thefts are
joyriders, and what percentage are pros? Of course this data would be
worthless as a general number, but if you could get it broken down by
make/model/year it might be useful to help you decide whether it is
worth simply deterring joyriders. I'm sure the insurance companies have
this data, but they may not distinguish between the various motivations
for stealing a car.
Tom Biggs
* SLMR 2.1a * Vegetarians eat vegetables; I'm a humanitarian.
Nathan J. Nagel
If you're strong enough, I've heard that you can grab the club,
brace your legs against the steering wheel, and basically leg-press
until the club snaps. And the person I heard this from was in shape but
not really body-builder material. I figure if she could do it, so could
most car thieves.
Nate
Michael J Hoza
>investment in convincing the joy-rider to look at the car next to mine
>instead of mine sounds pretty worthwhile, in spite of it providing zero
>deterrent to professional thieves. Yes, it's been overhyped, and yes, the
>prices they often charge for them are ridiculous, but it does seem like
>a reasonable device for $20.00.
>
I agree. I recently had mt 85 Toyota MR2 broken into in a failed attempt to
steal it. Driver's door and lock were damaged. The car has no radio and the
the slot for the ignition key had pry marks on it with some damage to the
plastic around switch. Looked like a totally ham-fisted attempt to steal my
car. Parked four slots away was my neighbors new Alfa Romeo Spider, untouched
and with The Club attached. I believe the damage was done by a "joy rider" and
I think he/she would not have bothered my car had I used The Club. There are
many very smart thieves out there but there are also many who are pretty much
morons {in fact, they are often drug impaired morons!}. People who would
probably have trouble hack sawing through a frozen banana if they had to. By
the way, I bet it would take most of us more than 30 seconds to hack saw
through a lot of steering wheels, especially if we only had a blade, it was
dark, and we did not want to be too loud. The point is there are professionals
who can make anything look easy and dimwits that are just about the opposite.
The question is what are the proportions of each type in your neighborhood.
I would guess that the Police who investigate these types of crimes would have
a pretty good idea of The Club's effectiveness. Maybe I should call the police
department.
So I guess I am hoping there are a lot of morons out there. The real problem
then becomes running into a moron with a gun. In this case, the professional
is much less dangerous.
M Hoza
Dale Maurice
: > A $20.00
: >investment in convincing the joy-rider to look at the car next to mine
: >instead of mine sounds pretty worthwhile, in spite of it providing zero
: >deterrent to professional thieves. Yes, it's been overhyped, and yes, the
: >prices they often charge for them are ridiculous, but it does seem like
: >a reasonable device for $20.00.
: >
: >--
: >Bob Rusk
: >rr...@ssd.csd.harris.com
: >My thoughts, probably not Harris'.
: >
: I agree. I recently had mt 85 Toyota MR2 broken into in a failed attempt to
: steal it. Driver's door and lock were damaged. The car has no radio and the
I wouldn't have one, they are a pain to put on and take off. Any any thief
with a hacksaw can get past in in about 5 seconds. True, you can't cut 'The Club'
BUT you can cut the steering wheel with great ease, then bend the wheel to remove
the device. Trival to get past. Err. no I don't steal cars :-)
dale
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Rick Lindstedt
In article G...@wyvern.wyvern.com, da...@wyvern.wyvern.com (Dale Maurice) writes:
>Michael J Hoza (mh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>: I agree. I recently had mt 85 Toyota MR2 broken into in a failed attempt to
>: steal it. Driver's door and lock were damaged. The car has no radio and the
>
>I wouldn't have one, they are a pain to put on and take off. Any any thief
>with a hacksaw can get past in in about 5 seconds. True, you can't cut 'The Club'
>BUT you can cut the steering wheel with great ease, then bend the wheel to remove
>the device. Trival to get past. Err. no I don't steal cars :-)
>
>
>dale
>
>--
>
Yea... but most theives arent going to spend the time to do all that though...they will
go after something that they can pop in and go....
---
Rick
ri...@sparky.uark.edu
University of Arkansas - PHPL
Terence T. Lung
>
>In article G...@wyvern.wyvern.com, da...@wyvern.wyvern.com (Dale Maurice) writes:
IMO, it's a good 1st level deterrent for ~$20.
If you really want to keep your car [barring the thieves simply
hauling the car away], a good 2nd level deterrent is to remove
something vital, randomly, like the ignition cable. Steerable
or not, they're not going to be able to get the thing started.
However, just to remind you, if somebody wants your car, nothing
can stop them. I like James Bond's device in his lotus in For Your
Eyes Only.
Terence
Ed Arledge
> From: da...@wyvern.wyvern.com (Dale Maurice)
Dale, like the two previous writers said the Club really is not designed to
deter the 'Professional Thief', it to deter the "theif of oppurtunity".
Joyriders and such generally don't walk around with a hacksaw or bolt cutters.
Like any lock the Club is designed to keep honest people honest, and the five
or so seconds it takes to put it on is painless compared to the pain of having
your car stolen. Even if just stops one theif it's worth it. IMHO.
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Dale Maurice
: In article G...@wyvern.wyvern.com, da...@wyvern.wyvern.com (Dale Maurice) writes:
: >Michael J Hoza (mh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: >[stuff deleted about price]
: >: I agree. I recently had mt 85 Toyota MR2 broken into in a failed attempt to
: >: steal it. Driver's door and lock were damaged. The car has no radio and the
: >
: >I wouldn't have one, they are a pain to put on and take off. Any any thief
: >with a hacksaw can get past in in about 5 seconds. True, you can't cut 'The Club'
: >BUT you can cut the steering wheel with great ease, then bend the wheel to remove
: >the device. Trival to get past. Err. no I don't steal cars :-)
: >
: Yea... but most theives arent going to spend the time to do all that though...they will
: go after something that they can pop in and go....
Ohh I don't know about that. I think it's what the thief wants is what determines
what he will steal. Let's say for instance I was a car thief, I was walked up to
two cars let say oh i dunno.. umm how about a VW Corrado and a Mustang GT, and the
GT had a 'Club' on the wheel. I'd still steal the GT, cause the VW is a peice of
shit :-)
Ted Crum
How effective is the Hair Club in preventing toupee theft?
-Ted (I'm a client) Crum
Glenn D Butler
I live in Boston. I live in an apartmant where 3 of 4 people with
cars have had their cars ripped off. Mine was earlier this year.
Mine was one of them...88 626 turbo. The other ones were an 89 blazer
and am 82 celica (a peice of shit).
I got my car back w/ little damege. I was able to rebuild my
ignition. The theives had used a slim jim to get in and had used a
"dent puller" to pull out the ignition. What they do is stick this
screw into you ignition and yank it out. The locking steering column
is useless because the entire lick core is ripped out with an easy
pull of the dent puller screw. Then the theives just insert a
screwdriver and turn.
The insurance agent said I should use a club because she hadn't had a
single case of a car being ripped off with the club. Then I asked the
auto body shup what to do. He said to use the club. Finally I asked
the police, and they suggested the club. So I bought a club for $30.
I have no other device. Judging that my car hasn't been ripped off
again, I'd say the club was worth it. I'm sure any real theif could
get through it...but I'll bet that 99.9 percent of theives just want
an easy target. Or as the cop said...they were probably cold that
night.
The club works unless your car is really valuable. If you don't
beleive me, ask someone who knows. Call the cops in your town and ask
them how you can best protect your investment...they know best. Do
whatever works...in Boston the club is fairly effective.
Glenn
Dale Maurice
: > From: da...@wyvern.wyvern.com (Dale Maurice)[other mindless drivel deleted :-)]
: Dale, like the two previous writers said the Club really is not designed to
: deter the 'Professional Thief', it to deter the "theif of oppurtunity".
: Joyriders and such generally don't walk around with a hacksaw or bolt cutters.
: Like any lock the Club is designed to keep honest people honest, and the five
: or so seconds it takes to put it on is painless compared to the pain of having
: your car stolen. Even if just stops one theif it's worth it. IMHO.
[more mindless drivel added]
What???? You don't carry a jimmy,hacksaw,slidehammer,and other assorted
tools with you at all times?? What if it starts raining while walking across
the parking lot to your car??!!? Are you going continue and get wet? NO!
Hop into the nearest vehicle and DRIVE to your car! (BTW, I'm looking for
a good set of bolt cutters that can fit in my coat)
John Miller
>
>Dale, like the two previous writers said the Club really is not designed to
>deter the 'Professional Thief', it to deter the "theif of oppurtunity".
>Joyriders and such generally don't walk around with a hacksaw or bolt cutters.
>Like any lock the Club is designed to keep honest people honest, and the five
>or so seconds it takes to put it on is painless compared to the pain of having
>your car stolen. Even if just stops one theif it's worth it. IMHO.
I don't know if the three "young guys" (the superintendent's description) were
professional car thieves. I doubt it.
The did have bolt-cutters (which they left behind) and they did cut the
steering wheel of my car. The didn't get the car started because I'd left
one little wire disconnected under the hood.
A '69 Firebird steering wheel costs $150 at a supply house I got a quote from.
Of course, they also cut open the steering column. Clearly, they wanted to
steal THAT particular car, but weren't sufficiently skilled in electrical
theory. :-)
The point of the post is that the Club (well, the equivalent, where the
wheel is locked to the brake pedal) didn't do the trick, AND I (actually,
the insurance company) have to go through the hassle of getting a new wheel
installed.
Based on my experience, a Club MAY be okay if you're just parking the car
on a busy street or something. Otherwise, go with a good hood lock and an
alarm (which is my plan).
Ed (been there....no sir, didn't like it) Treijs
Jim Frost
>By
>the way, I bet it would take most of us more than 30 seconds to hack saw
>through a lot of steering wheels, especially if we only had a blade, it was
>dark, and we did not want to be too loud.
I would personally use a pair of bolt cutters and I absolutely
guarantee I could be through the wheel in less than ten seconds with
very little noise.
Your point about morons stealing cars is a good one, though.
jim frost
ji...@centerline.com
Mitch
I recently had my key chain stolen (for some #@%! stupid reason). I had
already lost one of my Club keys, so now they were both gone and I had the
Club stuck on my wheel! First I tried hacksawing the thin part. After a
solid 20 MINUTES of hacksawing on one spot on the ridged part of the Club,
applying plenty of pressure, moving fast, and staying accurate, I had
BARELY MADE A MARK! I finally got it off by using a screwdriver to scrape
out most of the front part of the lock, then clamping a pair of vice grips
onto the handle of the flathead screwdriver and forcing the lock to turn
(after pounding the screwdriver deep into the lock with a hammer).
It took me about an hour and was noisy. The funny thing is, no
one called a cop at any time!
-- Mitch
P C Schlesselmann
> You would definitely have to cut the steering wheel, not the Club.
>I recently had my key chain stolen (for some #@%! stupid reason). I had
>already lost one of my Club keys, so now they were both gone and I had the
>Club stuck on my wheel! First I tried hacksawing the thin part. After a
>solid 20 MINUTES of hacksawing on one spot on the ridged part of the Club,
>applying plenty of pressure, moving fast, and staying accurate, I had
>BARELY MADE A MARK! I finally got it off by using a screwdriver to scrape
>out most of the front part of the lock, then clamping a pair of vice grips
>onto the handle of the flathead screwdriver and forcing the lock to turn
>(after pounding the screwdriver deep into the lock with a hammer).
I've had to cut many deadbolt locks with lost keys. they are case
hardened steel (like junky Club).
use a grindr to take off surface hardened steel and the soft core
cuts like butter.
Or just drill the buttery sopper core out of the lock and play the
mechanism.
What is the New York Method ????
p c s
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P C Schlesselman
sch...@iastate.edu
Jim Chott
(P C Schlesselmann) wrote:
>
> In <CHt79...@acsu.buffalo.edu> mr...@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mitch) writes:
>
> > You would definitely have to cut the steering wheel, not the Club.
> >I recently had my key chain stolen (for some #@%! stupid reason). I had
[description of non-cutting of Club deleted]
I would imagine it would only take a couple minutes to cut the steering
wheel, they are not case hardened or anything that I know of. I still
use one, to deter some amateur from joyriding, i.e. make mine a little
harder to take than another, and maybe they will take the other.
------------
Jim Chott Motorola Dust Devils 4WD club
rza...@email.sps.mot.com 1985 Toyota 4WD Pickup
Tempe, AZ 1972 LeMans Sport Convertible
Mike VanMeeteren
In this case, anyone with a paperclip can pick these things in about 10
seconds. And even with 5 pins, the lock could still be very easily picked in
about 20 seconds with a halfway decent lock pick set. Anyways, would someone
that owns a club count the number of pins on their lock? (Its the number of
flat spots on the key)
Later
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: hardened steel (like junky Club).
: use a grindr to take off surface hardened steel and the soft core
: cuts like butter.
: Or just drill the buttery sopper core out of the lock and play the
: mechanism.
: What is the New York Method ????
: p c s
: --
: P C Schlesselman
: sch...@iastate.edu
From what I've heard on the streets and on TV, the really determined crooks
are actually bringing along container of liquid nitrogen and freezing the
locks and then tapping them to make 'em shatter away... Science in action,
SHEEESH... :)
Steve Romanski
>: Or just drill the buttery sopper core out of the lock and play the
>: mechanism.
>: What is the New York Method ????
>From what I've heard on the streets and on TV, the really determined crooks
>are actually bringing along container of liquid nitrogen and freezing the
>locks and then tapping them to make 'em shatter away... Science in action,
>SHEEESH... :)
Why not just cut the soft steering wheel with a small saw or baby bolt cutter
takes about 5 secounds and makes no noise and no dangerous or $$ chemicals.
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1) South Korean GDP has grown by over 4.5 times since 1993! This is really good for them and a testament to how freedom and liberty wins out over commnunism.
2) Part of this growth has been driven by impressive world leading firms, including Hyundai and Kia which are now a massive part of the US auto market and are a strong competitor to Japanese firms like Honda. You might have heard of them but they were just starting to import to the US in the late 1980s/early 1990s.
3) Recently these two companies have caused us all a lot of headaches by failing to incorporate many of the new and stellar antitheft devices most modern cars have. For example, most cars have a little computer chip in the key (or no key at all!) that prevents the car being started without detecting that chip.
4) Because Kia and Hyundai have not incorporated this technology there has now been a popular online video on a Chinese video sharing service called Tik Tok that is used by American teens which shows bored teenagers how to quickly and easily steal these cars. (That probably doesn't makea lot of sense in 1993 but wait til about 2014 or so and it will)
5) Having nearly had my Hyundai stolen (only spared because the young perpetrator could not drive a manual transmission - by the way those are totally disappearing in 2023) I have recently gone out and bought a club after seeking the advice from the ancient group chats from the 1990s as to their effectiveness.
Hopefully our present day thieves have forgotten to carry hacksaws and liquid nitrogen!
Woozy Song
lovingly maintained. Thieves used a hacksaw to cut off the Club device.
It will probably be stripped to restore another car of same model.