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Where is the blind spot & how do you check it when crossing a bike lane?
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Wally J
Aug 1, 2023, 3:39:27 PM8/1/23
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A teen failed her driving test and the instructor wrote that she failed to
check her blind spot when making a right turn at an intersection with a
green light when the car crossed the bike lane to the right.
On my car, there is no blind spot.
I set the mirrors so that I can see any vehicle next to me.
From behind the car, to behind the c pillar and up to the b pillar.
The car only leaves the mirrors when it crosses the b pillar.
And then I look (when turning right) into the passenger window.
Where is this blind spot the instructor is talking about?
And how do you properly cross a bike land when making a right turn?
check her blind spot when making a right turn at an intersection with a
green light when the car crossed the bike lane to the right.
On my car, there is no blind spot.
I set the mirrors so that I can see any vehicle next to me.
From behind the car, to behind the c pillar and up to the b pillar.
The car only leaves the mirrors when it crosses the b pillar.
And then I look (when turning right) into the passenger window.
Where is this blind spot the instructor is talking about?
And how do you properly cross a bike land when making a right turn?
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Aug 1, 2023, 4:07:36 PM8/1/23
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mirror and she didn't turn her head to look out the side windows (front
& rear).
When you are doing a driving test you are supposed to do everything by
the book.
micky
Aug 1, 2023, 4:19:36 PM8/1/23
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In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 1 Aug 2023 15:40:12 -0400, Wally J
I would use my right side mirror.
When cars had no right side mirror, they had a blind spot on that side,
but I don't know how to check it. It was behind the rear roof support!
That's why they call it blind! Maybe if you watch for a while, the
part that's blind changes.
Maybe she just didn't do anything. Maybe she didn't look in the
rightside mirror and that's what he called not checking the blind spot.
You really should make a big effort not to hit a bicyclist when turning
right. I've seen severral stories of them being hit by cars that are
turning right.
BTW, I drive a convertible and for decades I used a convex rear view
mirror (in the center) and it shows both rear side windows and
everything in between. Unfortunately, the current car has a compass in
the rear view mirror, and the convex mirror would cover it, so until the
next car, I'm doing without it.
When cars had no right side mirror, they had a blind spot on that side,
but I don't know how to check it. It was behind the rear roof support!
That's why they call it blind! Maybe if you watch for a while, the
part that's blind changes.
Maybe she just didn't do anything. Maybe she didn't look in the
rightside mirror and that's what he called not checking the blind spot.
You really should make a big effort not to hit a bicyclist when turning
right. I've seen severral stories of them being hit by cars that are
turning right.
BTW, I drive a convertible and for decades I used a convex rear view
mirror (in the center) and it shows both rear side windows and
everything in between. Unfortunately, the current car has a compass in
the rear view mirror, and the convex mirror would cover it, so until the
next car, I'm doing without it.
Ed P
Aug 1, 2023, 4:49:22 PM8/1/23
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now, often excellent, but the testing person still wants to see you turn
around to look.
In reality, I trust my camera more than my turned head.
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Aug 1, 2023, 8:49:15 PM8/1/23
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things that the student driver has omitted to do or has done wrong, plus
extra space to write down other observed infractions not on the checklist.
So for checking the blind spot, the student driver should turn the head,
in an exaggerated manner, to peer out of the front side window and rear
side window to make sure the testing instructor cannot say the blind
spot was ignored.
badgolferman
Aug 2, 2023, 7:45:56 AM8/2/23
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turn your head to look. In reality I adjust both my mirrors to be in
my blind spot rather than the side of the car and move my head to see
the side of the car for perspective in the mirror. Since I started
riding a motorcycle five years ago I've made it a habit to turn my head
again and actually look when changing lanes to the right. Having said
all that I don't see how or why you would look in the blind spot when
crossing over a bike lane unless you're going real slow or are stopped.
If you're moving at normal speeds you can see any bike you're
approaching and cross over without any chance of one coming up behind
you.
I took my first driver test in downtown Washington DC driving my
father's 1967 Cadillac Sedan DeVille. That beast was nearly 20 feet
long and hard to maneuver in the crowded and narrow streets of the
city. It also was old enough that it only had one side view mirror on
the driver's side. In those days the mirror was small and didn't stick
out a foot like they do now. You had to turn your head in both
directions when changing lanes because the one mirror was mostly
useless.
We also had to parallel park between two cones to pass the test. These
days parallel parking is not required, at least in Virginia. When we
arrived at the testing station after the road test, the test instructor
told me to pull over rather than park between the cones. He said
there's no way he could parallel park that monster and he didn't want
to fail me for that!
Ed P
Aug 2, 2023, 9:38:39 AM8/2/23
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On 8/2/2023 7:45 AM, badgolferman wrote:
>
> We also had to parallel park between two cones to pass the test. These
> days parallel parking is not required, at least in Virginia. When we
> arrived at the testing station after the road test, the test instructor
> told me to pull over rather than park between the cones. He said
> there's no way he could parallel park that monster and he didn't want
> to fail me for that!
When I first started driving (1961) I lived in Philadelphia. You had to
>
> We also had to parallel park between two cones to pass the test. These
> days parallel parking is not required, at least in Virginia. When we
> arrived at the testing station after the road test, the test instructor
> told me to pull over rather than park between the cones. He said
> there's no way he could parallel park that monster and he didn't want
> to fail me for that!
be able to parallel park or you'd just drive around forever. I could
get into some rather tight spots others would pass up.
I don't recall the last time I did it. Five years at least, maybe 10 or
15. Not sure how well I'd do since out of practice.
badgolferman
Aug 2, 2023, 11:12:07 AM8/2/23
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parallel park, expecially if you go downtown or to government bureaus.
Parking on the street is necessary for urban areas. I live in the
Hampton Roads area of SE Virginia and still have to park on the street
in many places.
The Real Bev
Aug 2, 2023, 11:41:11 AM8/2/23
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On 8/2/23 6:38 AM, Ed P wrote:
> On 8/2/2023 7:45 AM, badgolferman wrote:
>
>>
>> We also had to parallel park between two cones to pass the test. These
>> days parallel parking is not required, at least in Virginia. When we
>> arrived at the testing station after the road test, the test instructor
>> told me to pull over rather than park between the cones. He said
>> there's no way he could parallel park that monster and he didn't want
>> to fail me for that!
>
> When I first started driving (1961) I lived in Philadelphia. You had to
> be able to parallel park or you'd just drive around forever. I could
> get into some rather tight spots others would pass up.
I could do that really well when I drove big cars. I just KNEW where
> On 8/2/2023 7:45 AM, badgolferman wrote:
>
>>
>> We also had to parallel park between two cones to pass the test. These
>> days parallel parking is not required, at least in Virginia. When we
>> arrived at the testing station after the road test, the test instructor
>> told me to pull over rather than park between the cones. He said
>> there's no way he could parallel park that monster and he didn't want
>> to fail me for that!
>
> When I first started driving (1961) I lived in Philadelphia. You had to
> be able to parallel park or you'd just drive around forever. I could
> get into some rather tight spots others would pass up.
the edges were from decades of experience. The Corolla is very
different. Even though it's much smaller I have no idea about the edges
and always guess wrong.
What REALLY drives me nuts about the 2013 Corolla: too many blind
spots. Headrests. Pillars. Can't raise seat high enough to compensate
for the decreased glass at the lower edge of the windows. When I
contemplate a lane change or turn I do multiple head swivels, especially
in parking lots where I KNOW drivers are only looking for empty spaces
and pedestrians are only looking at their phones.
It never occurred to me that modern cars have much less seeability (!)
than older ones; if I'd thought about it I might have chosen a
different car. Probably not, though -- they ALL seem to look like that
and I chose the Corolla for reliability.
> I don't recall the last time I did it. Five years at least, maybe 10 or
> 15. Not sure how well I'd do since out of practice.
--
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Bob F
Aug 2, 2023, 12:21:27 PM8/2/23
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park, due to the plowed snow on the sides of the road.
Bob F
Aug 2, 2023, 12:24:28 PM8/2/23
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"Parallel parking is the only true art form"
Wally J
Aug 2, 2023, 12:34:09 PM8/2/23
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badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote
> Of course the blind spot is on the right rear and you're supposed to
> turn your head to look.
By Right Rear I'm assuming you mean behind the C pillar?
If so, I'm familiar that many people "say" that's the blind spot.
But if you adjust your mirror correctly, that spot it NOT blind.
You can test it easily with two people.
1. You're the driver. Adjust mirrors so they are LOW and INSIDE.
2. By LOW, I mean you wouldn't see a person's hat who was on the right.
3. By INSIDE, I mean your mirror is an inch or two AWAY from the car metal
Now, have a person with an object in each outstreched hand simulate a car.
1. When they're BEHIND the vehicle - you see them in the rear-view mirror
2. As they walk toward the side - you start to see them in the right mirror
3. They only disappear when they get past the B pillar across from you.
There is no blind spot (other than directly across to the passenger window)
looking directly at the mirror itself at the same time.
So there is no blind spot that I can tell.
At no point can a person walk around your car without you seeing them
(as long as they "act like a car with outstretched hands" and as long as
they get as close to the car as they would dare if they were a car).
That's why I had asked the question.
There is no blind spot.
Although you have to LOOK into the mirror at all times to confirm that.
> In reality I adjust both my mirrors to be in
> my blind spot rather than the side of the car and move my head to see
> the side of the car for perspective in the mirror.
The only time the head has to be physically turned is when the person with
outstretched hands passes the B pillar (walking from back to front).
Therefore I "think" that's what they're referring to as the blind spot.
But I don't know that.
Which is why I am asking.
> Since I started
> riding a motorcycle five years ago I've made it a habit to turn my head
> again and actually look when changing lanes to the right. Having said
> all that I don't see how or why you would look in the blind spot when
> crossing over a bike lane unless you're going real slow or are stopped.
> If you're moving at normal speeds you can see any bike you're
> approaching and cross over without any chance of one coming up behind
> you.
I'm going to agree since a vehicle is much faster than a bike so the bike
will always have been in FRONT of you if it made it into that spot directly
to the right of you at the time you made the turn right onto the cross st.
> I took my first driver test in downtown Washington DC driving my
> father's 1967 Cadillac Sedan DeVille. That beast was nearly 20 feet
> long and hard to maneuver in the crowded and narrow streets of the
> city. It also was old enough that it only had one side view mirror on
> the driver's side. In those days the mirror was small and didn't stick
> out a foot like they do now. You had to turn your head in both
> directions when changing lanes because the one mirror was mostly
> useless.
My driver test car was a Chrysler New Yorker! 440. Hemi. Vroom!
I think the gas seemed like it was in gallons per mile though.
But it was less than fifty cents in those days per gallon.
Remember two-digit prices?
> We also had to parallel park between two cones to pass the test. These
> days parallel parking is not required, at least in Virginia. When we
> arrived at the testing station after the road test, the test instructor
> told me to pull over rather than park between the cones. He said
> there's no way he could parallel park that monster and he didn't want
> to fail me for that!
I used to be able to back up by turning my body.
I can't do that anymore.
Can you?
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I manually removed you from that list (although it resorts the list
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> Of course the blind spot is on the right rear and you're supposed to
> turn your head to look.
If so, I'm familiar that many people "say" that's the blind spot.
But if you adjust your mirror correctly, that spot it NOT blind.
You can test it easily with two people.
1. You're the driver. Adjust mirrors so they are LOW and INSIDE.
2. By LOW, I mean you wouldn't see a person's hat who was on the right.
3. By INSIDE, I mean your mirror is an inch or two AWAY from the car metal
Now, have a person with an object in each outstreched hand simulate a car.
1. When they're BEHIND the vehicle - you see them in the rear-view mirror
2. As they walk toward the side - you start to see them in the right mirror
3. They only disappear when they get past the B pillar across from you.
There is no blind spot (other than directly across to the passenger window)
looking directly at the mirror itself at the same time.
So there is no blind spot that I can tell.
At no point can a person walk around your car without you seeing them
(as long as they "act like a car with outstretched hands" and as long as
they get as close to the car as they would dare if they were a car).
That's why I had asked the question.
There is no blind spot.
Although you have to LOOK into the mirror at all times to confirm that.
> In reality I adjust both my mirrors to be in
> my blind spot rather than the side of the car and move my head to see
> the side of the car for perspective in the mirror.
outstretched hands passes the B pillar (walking from back to front).
Therefore I "think" that's what they're referring to as the blind spot.
But I don't know that.
Which is why I am asking.
> Since I started
> riding a motorcycle five years ago I've made it a habit to turn my head
> again and actually look when changing lanes to the right. Having said
> all that I don't see how or why you would look in the blind spot when
> crossing over a bike lane unless you're going real slow or are stopped.
> If you're moving at normal speeds you can see any bike you're
> approaching and cross over without any chance of one coming up behind
> you.
will always have been in FRONT of you if it made it into that spot directly
to the right of you at the time you made the turn right onto the cross st.
> I took my first driver test in downtown Washington DC driving my
> father's 1967 Cadillac Sedan DeVille. That beast was nearly 20 feet
> long and hard to maneuver in the crowded and narrow streets of the
> city. It also was old enough that it only had one side view mirror on
> the driver's side. In those days the mirror was small and didn't stick
> out a foot like they do now. You had to turn your head in both
> directions when changing lanes because the one mirror was mostly
> useless.
I think the gas seemed like it was in gallons per mile though.
But it was less than fifty cents in those days per gallon.
Remember two-digit prices?
> We also had to parallel park between two cones to pass the test. These
> days parallel parking is not required, at least in Virginia. When we
> arrived at the testing station after the road test, the test instructor
> told me to pull over rather than park between the cones. He said
> there's no way he could parallel park that monster and he didn't want
> to fail me for that!
I can't do that anymore.
Can you?
--
PS: Sorry about impersonating you. It wasn't personal. My program was
written to grab existing nyms and use them randomly, one nym per thread,
and it happened to grab yours. I don't even LOOK at what the nym is.
It's all transparent to me. It happens due to the dictionary lookups.
I manually removed you from that list (although it resorts the list
periodically so I have to make some kind of permanent blacklist).
AMuzi
Aug 2, 2023, 12:54:22 PM8/2/23
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cyclist (and driver) I can say it happens more than you
might imagine. Typically:
https://bikeportland.org/2019/01/25/bicycle-rider-injured-in-right-hook-collision-on-se-hawthorne-at-7th-294585
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rbowman
Aug 2, 2023, 11:19:55 PM8/2/23
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 08:41:05 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
> What REALLY drives me nuts about the 2013 Corolla: too many blind
> spots. Headrests. Pillars. Can't raise seat high enough to compensate
> for the decreased glass at the lower edge of the windows. When I
> contemplate a lane change or turn I do multiple head swivels, especially
> in parking lots where I KNOW drivers are only looking for empty spaces
> and pedestrians are only looking at their phones.
I have never had a passenger in my current car and someday will remember
> What REALLY drives me nuts about the 2013 Corolla: too many blind
> spots. Headrests. Pillars. Can't raise seat high enough to compensate
> for the decreased glass at the lower edge of the windows. When I
> contemplate a lane change or turn I do multiple head swivels, especially
> in parking lots where I KNOW drivers are only looking for empty spaces
> and pedestrians are only looking at their phones.
to take the passenger head rest off. In parking lots and such when you're
looking for things coming from the side it creates a huge blind spot.
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Aug 2, 2023, 11:28:05 PM8/2/23
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😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Aug 2, 2023, 11:34:35 PM8/2/23
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On 8/2/2023 11:19 PM, rbowman wrote:
long legs is sitting there, and recline the seat's back all the way like
the passenger is looking at the sunroof.
Peeler
Aug 3, 2023, 3:50:08 AM8/3/23
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On 3 Aug 2023 03:19:50 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> I have never had a passenger in my current car
That's because nobody wants to be a passenger in your car and have to listen
to your grandiloquent bullshit about your grand personality, you
self-admiring, self-infatuated senile shithead.
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troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> I have never had a passenger in my current car
to your grandiloquent bullshit about your grand personality, you
self-admiring, self-infatuated senile shithead.
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The Real Bev
Aug 3, 2023, 11:55:01 AM8/3/23
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I should remove the rear-seat headrests, but it's my OWN that bothers me
the most -- I have to tilt my body to the right in order to see around
the damn thing. Parking lots are the worst -- the bastards can come at
you from all sides and just because the path was clear two seconds ago
doesn't mean that it's clear NOW.
I didn't really appreciate the seeability of the 1988 Caddy that tried
to kill me. There are always tradeoffs, right?
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He's your god. They're your rules. *You* burn in hell!
badgolferman
Aug 3, 2023, 12:14:15 PM8/3/23
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The Real Bev wrote:
>Parking lots are the worst -- the bastards can come at
>you from all sides and just because the path was clear two seconds
>ago doesn't mean that it's clear NOW.
I try to make it a point to back into parking spots. I feel it's much
>Parking lots are the worst -- the bastards can come at
>you from all sides and just because the path was clear two seconds
>ago doesn't mean that it's clear NOW.
safer getting out.
Ed P
Aug 3, 2023, 12:49:42 PM8/3/23
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Most cars have rather good cameras, but many now have cross traffic
warnings too. I find that safer than pulling forward when parked next
to a behemoth pickup that blocks the view.
I get a good view on the screen and beeps from both cars and pedestrians
before I can see them.
Michael Trew
Aug 3, 2023, 10:14:41 PM8/3/23
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On 8/1/2023 4:49 PM, Ed P wrote:
> On 8/1/2023 4:07 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> On 8/1/2023 3:40 PM, Wally J wrote:
>>>
>>> Where is this blind spot the instructor is talking about?
>>> And how do you properly cross a bike land when making a right turn?
>>
>> Basically "not checking the blind spot" means she relied totally on
>> the mirror and she didn't turn her head to look out the side windows
>> (front & rear).
>>
>> When you are doing a driving test you are supposed to do everything by
>> the book.
Many cars don't have back-up cameras, and even though they are mandated
>> On 8/1/2023 3:40 PM, Wally J wrote:
>>>
>>> Where is this blind spot the instructor is talking about?
>>> And how do you properly cross a bike land when making a right turn?
>>
>> Basically "not checking the blind spot" means she relied totally on
>> the mirror and she didn't turn her head to look out the side windows
>> (front & rear).
>>
>> When you are doing a driving test you are supposed to do everything by
>> the book.
on new cars, I'm sure that looking back will be part of the test for
many years to come, due to the number of cars made without cameras (they
were mandated in 2016 I think).
> From what I've been told, same think backing up. Cars have cameras now,
> often excellent, but the testing person still wants to see you turn
> around to look.
>
> In reality, I trust my camera more than my turned head.
behind me instead. I've driven my grandfather's 2014 RAV-4 with a
back-up camera, and I don't particularly trust it.
Then again, my older cars have much smaller blind spots, smaller
b-pillars, and larger windows. Modern cars, particularly SUV's, are
particularly difficult to see out of when you turn around.
Michael Trew
Aug 3, 2023, 10:18:33 PM8/3/23
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On 8/2/2023 9:38 AM, Ed P wrote:
> On 8/2/2023 7:45 AM, badgolferman wrote:
>
>> We also had to parallel park between two cones to pass the test. These
>> days parallel parking is not required, at least in Virginia.
In Ohio, they place out 5 cones, and you start with the front bumper at
> On 8/2/2023 7:45 AM, badgolferman wrote:
>
>> We also had to parallel park between two cones to pass the test. These
>> days parallel parking is not required, at least in Virginia.
the first cone. Four of the cones are arranged in a rectangle, and the
fifth one is ahead of them in the center. When you pull into the
traffic cone rectangle, the instructor advises you to pull to the left
or right, then you stop with your rear bumper at the front cone, and
back through to the beginning. I guess this simulates parallel parking.
>> When we
>> arrived at the testing station after the road test, the test instructor
>> told me to pull over rather than park between the cones. He said
>> there's no way he could parallel park that monster and he didn't want
>> to fail me for that!
>
> When I first started driving (1961) I lived in Philadelphia. You had to
> be able to parallel park or you'd just drive around forever. I could get
> into some rather tight spots others would pass up.
Michael Trew
Aug 3, 2023, 10:21:04 PM8/3/23
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On 8/2/2023 11:41 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> I could do that really well when I drove big cars. I just KNEW where the
> edges were from decades of experience. The Corolla is very different.
> Even though it's much smaller I have no idea about the edges and always
> guess wrong.
>
> What REALLY drives me nuts about the 2013 Corolla: too many blind spots.
> Headrests. Pillars. Can't raise seat high enough to compensate for the
> decreased glass at the lower edge of the windows. When I contemplate a
> lane change or turn I do multiple head swivels, especially in parking
> lots where I KNOW drivers are only looking for empty spaces and
> pedestrians are only looking at their phones.
>
> It never occurred to me that modern cars have much less seeability (!)
> than older ones; if I'd thought about it I might have chosen a different
> car. Probably not, though -- they ALL seem to look like that and I chose
> the Corolla for reliability.
Larger modern cars, especially SUV's, are far worse. Corolla was
>
> I could do that really well when I drove big cars. I just KNEW where the
> edges were from decades of experience. The Corolla is very different.
> Even though it's much smaller I have no idea about the edges and always
> guess wrong.
>
> What REALLY drives me nuts about the 2013 Corolla: too many blind spots.
> Headrests. Pillars. Can't raise seat high enough to compensate for the
> decreased glass at the lower edge of the windows. When I contemplate a
> lane change or turn I do multiple head swivels, especially in parking
> lots where I KNOW drivers are only looking for empty spaces and
> pedestrians are only looking at their phones.
>
> It never occurred to me that modern cars have much less seeability (!)
> than older ones; if I'd thought about it I might have chosen a different
> car. Probably not, though -- they ALL seem to look like that and I chose
> the Corolla for reliability.
probably a good choice, but all modern cars have worse visibility.
During the summer, when I regularly drive old cars (right now is a 1969
Impala), I can parallel park with ease. Up to the 90's, most cars still
had good visibility... not as much now.
Bob F
Aug 3, 2023, 10:35:05 PM8/3/23
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enter into the bike lane. The bike has the right of way over turning
traffic.
Ed P
Aug 3, 2023, 10:53:53 PM8/3/23
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better. My 2023 is better than my 2018 that was better than my 2013.
You do know why cameras were mandated don't you? Quite a few people
backed over their kids playing behind the car was a big one.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates that on
average, 210 people are killed in backover accidents each year. More
than 7,000 are injured annually. Approximately half of all people killed
in backover accidents each year are children.
Next time you are in the neighborhood you can drive my car and it will
change your mind.
rbowman
Aug 3, 2023, 11:51:58 PM8/3/23
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 23:34:28 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> You can slide the front passenger seat back like a passenger with very
> long legs is sitting there, and recline the seat's back all the way like
> the passenger is looking at the sunroof.
Nope. The rear seats were folded down the day I picked the car up at the
> You can slide the front passenger seat back like a passenger with very
> long legs is sitting there, and recline the seat's back all the way like
> the passenger is looking at the sunroof.
dealer's and that limits how far the passenger seat will recline. it's a
hatchback that I treat like a very small pickup.
rbowman
Aug 3, 2023, 11:57:12 PM8/3/23
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pull through to the other side. The problem is when you drive a Toyota
Yaris you need xray vision to see through the two massive pickups flanking
you. I very gingerly ease the nose out. That's better than having to pull
most of the car out to see anything.
I won't go into finding the car in a sea of pickups and SUVs. Putting a
flag on the stubby little antenna wouldn't buy me anything.
micky
Aug 4, 2023, 3:28:23 AM8/4/23
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In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Aug 2023 22:53:48 -0400, Ed P
It's part of natural selection, a way of eliminating children who play
behind cars, so they won't have children who do the same thing.
>Next time you are in the neighborhood you can drive my car and it will
>change your mind.
My rental car in 2022 for 4 months, a Citroen, had a backup camera, and
I liked the camera, but it turned off the radio sound. And sometimes I
was in the middle of an important news story. So I'd have to wait to
backup.
Do they all turn off the radio sound? I suppose the add-ons don't but
I wanted the next car to have it as original equipment.
behind cars, so they won't have children who do the same thing.
>Next time you are in the neighborhood you can drive my car and it will
>change your mind.
I liked the camera, but it turned off the radio sound. And sometimes I
was in the middle of an important news story. So I'd have to wait to
backup.
Do they all turn off the radio sound? I suppose the add-ons don't but
I wanted the next car to have it as original equipment.
micky
Aug 4, 2023, 3:34:59 AM8/4/23
to
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 09:38:34 -0400, Ed P
I did it today, and on the left side of the road. When I started to go
back, I saw in the mirror that the guy who would be parked behind me was
pulling out. So I waited and by the time I parked, the 3 spots behind
me were all empty.
It was nice that there was available parking. There used to be none in
this n'hood near Johns Hopkins University, but they took a wide street
and put parking on both sides of the median, plus next to the curb, 4
lanes.
To pay, 50 cents for 30 minutes, up to 2 hours, you had to put in your
license plate, but didn't need to put anything on the windshield.
I had to return my GPS to Amazon.
back, I saw in the mirror that the guy who would be parked behind me was
pulling out. So I waited and by the time I parked, the 3 spots behind
me were all empty.
It was nice that there was available parking. There used to be none in
this n'hood near Johns Hopkins University, but they took a wide street
and put parking on both sides of the median, plus next to the curb, 4
lanes.
To pay, 50 cents for 30 minutes, up to 2 hours, you had to put in your
license plate, but didn't need to put anything on the windshield.
I had to return my GPS to Amazon.
micky
Aug 4, 2023, 3:39:24 AM8/4/23
to
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:12:02 -0000 (UTC),
I was just down there last weekend.
I went to Washington's Birthplace and Jamestown.
The next day to Yorktown Battle Museum and Yorktown Battlefield (the car
tour includes the most beautiful woods I've ever seen.)
The next day to the Virginia War Museum and the Norfolk Zoo.
Still a lot of things to see on some future trip.
I went to Washington's Birthplace and Jamestown.
The next day to Yorktown Battle Museum and Yorktown Battlefield (the car
tour includes the most beautiful woods I've ever seen.)
The next day to the Virginia War Museum and the Norfolk Zoo.
Still a lot of things to see on some future trip.
micky
Aug 4, 2023, 3:45:22 AM8/4/23
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In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 2 Aug 2023 08:41:05 -0700, The Real Bev
I was reading two Car and Driver reviews last week and it mentioned that
one of the cars had bad visibility. At first I didn't know what they
meant... Doesn't it depend on what color the car is? But they meant
what you mean. It might have been between a Mustang and a Camaro, but I
forget which one had bad visibility.
go, and eve where it's parallel, at the curb, there's no one else
parking so I just drive in and drive out in Forward. But I'm still
pretty good at parallel. You don't have to follow all the instructions
if you make it so your front right corner just misses the left rear
corner of the car in front, and you're at the right angle. I think that
is it.
one of the cars had bad visibility. At first I didn't know what they
meant... Doesn't it depend on what color the car is? But they meant
what you mean. It might have been between a Mustang and a Camaro, but I
forget which one had bad visibility.
>
>> I don't recall the last time I did it. Five years at least, maybe 10 or
>> 15. Not sure how well I'd do since out of practice.
>
>I should practice for a while; it's shameful losing a skill.
I have angle or drive-in parking where I live and almost every place I
>> I don't recall the last time I did it. Five years at least, maybe 10 or
>> 15. Not sure how well I'd do since out of practice.
>
>I should practice for a while; it's shameful losing a skill.
go, and eve where it's parallel, at the curb, there's no one else
parking so I just drive in and drive out in Forward. But I'm still
pretty good at parallel. You don't have to follow all the instructions
if you make it so your front right corner just misses the left rear
corner of the car in front, and you're at the right angle. I think that
is it.
Peeler
Aug 4, 2023, 4:31:03 AM8/4/23
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On 4 Aug 2023 03:57:08 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
personality again, you ridiulous self-admiring bigmouth? LOL
--
More of the senile gossip's absolutely idiotic senile blather:
"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn't do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
'We keep God's time in Virginia.'
I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while."
MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1...@dont-email.me>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> I either back in or if in a parking lot find an empty slot where I can
> pull through to the other side. The problem is when you drive a Toyota
> Yaris you need xray vision to see through the two massive pickups flanking
> you. I very gingerly ease the nose out. That's better than having to pull
> most of the car out to see anything.
>
> I won't go into finding the car in a sea of pickups and SUVs. Putting a
> flag on the stubby little antenna wouldn't buy me anything.
Is this about cars and parking, or is this really about your "thrilling"
> pull through to the other side. The problem is when you drive a Toyota
> Yaris you need xray vision to see through the two massive pickups flanking
> you. I very gingerly ease the nose out. That's better than having to pull
> most of the car out to see anything.
>
> I won't go into finding the car in a sea of pickups and SUVs. Putting a
> flag on the stubby little antenna wouldn't buy me anything.
personality again, you ridiulous self-admiring bigmouth? LOL
--
More of the senile gossip's absolutely idiotic senile blather:
"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn't do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
'We keep God's time in Virginia.'
I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while."
MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1...@dont-email.me>
Peeler
Aug 4, 2023, 4:33:32 AM8/4/23
to
On 4 Aug 2023 03:51:54 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
--
More of the resident senile bigmouth's idiotic "cool" blather:
"For reasons I can't recall I painted a spare bedroom in purple. It may
have had something to do with copious quantities of cheap Scotch."
MID: <k89lch...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> Nope. The rear seats were folded down the day I picked the car up at the
> dealer's and that limits how far the passenger seat will recline. it's a
> hatchback that I treat like a very small pickup.
FANTASTIC! Just like everything about you. LOL
> dealer's and that limits how far the passenger seat will recline. it's a
> hatchback that I treat like a very small pickup.
--
More of the resident senile bigmouth's idiotic "cool" blather:
"For reasons I can't recall I painted a spare bedroom in purple. It may
have had something to do with copious quantities of cheap Scotch."
MID: <k89lch...@mid.individual.net>
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Aug 4, 2023, 5:42:05 AM8/4/23
to
reverse, the backup camera displays on the radio's LCD touch screen, but
the radio keeps going unfazed.
If yours turns off the radio, then maybe they want you to concentrate
when you backup. You might miss some car honking at you if your radio is
deafeningly loud.
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Aug 4, 2023, 6:25:33 AM8/4/23
to
use the GPS to find your way back to the car.
Or get a car alarm system with extra long range remote, so you can use
your remote to make your car chirp and then follow the sound to find
your car.
badgolferman
Aug 4, 2023, 7:27:41 AM8/4/23
to
micky wrote:
>I was just down there last weekend.
>
>I went to Washington's Birthplace and Jamestown.
>
>The next day to Yorktown Battle Museum and Yorktown Battlefield (the
>car tour includes the most beautiful woods I've ever seen.)
>
>The next day to the Virginia War Museum and the Norfolk Zoo.
>
>Still a lot of things to see on some future trip.
We still have a ferry which goes between Surry and Jamestown across the
>I was just down there last weekend.
>
>I went to Washington's Birthplace and Jamestown.
>
>The next day to Yorktown Battle Museum and Yorktown Battlefield (the
>car tour includes the most beautiful woods I've ever seen.)
>
>The next day to the Virginia War Museum and the Norfolk Zoo.
>
>Still a lot of things to see on some future trip.
James River. I often take that when out for a leisurely motorcycle
ride. Then of course there's the Colonial Parkway which goes from
Jamestown through Williamsburg to Yorktown right along the James River
and has some very picturesque scenery. Next time you're here make sure
to see the Jamestown Settlement too. Busch Gardens amusement park is
worth the price of admission.
badgolferman
Aug 4, 2023, 7:29:59 AM8/4/23
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Michael Trew wrote:
>Larger modern cars, especially SUV's, are far worse. Corolla was
>probably a good choice, but all modern cars have worse visibility.
>During the summer, when I regularly drive old cars (right now is a
>1969 Impala), I can parallel park with ease. Up to the 90's, most
>cars still had good visibility... not as much now.
Blame the federal regulations for making cars "safer". There's more
>Larger modern cars, especially SUV's, are far worse. Corolla was
>probably a good choice, but all modern cars have worse visibility.
>During the summer, when I regularly drive old cars (right now is a
>1969 Impala), I can parallel park with ease. Up to the 90's, most
>cars still had good visibility... not as much now.
metal and less glass now. Notice how the windows are shorter and the
door panels are higher now?
Ed P
Aug 4, 2023, 9:30:16 AM8/4/23
to
On 8/4/2023 3:28 AM, micky wrote:
>>
>>
>> The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates that on
>> average, 210 people are killed in backover accidents each year. More
>> than 7,000 are injured annually. Approximately half of all people killed
>> in backover accidents each year are children.
>
> It's part of natural selection, a way of eliminating children who play
> behind cars, so they won't have children who do the same thing.
>
>> Next time you are in the neighborhood you can drive my car and it will
>> change your mind.
>
> My rental car in 2022 for 4 months, a Citroen, had a backup camera, and
> I liked the camera, but it turned off the radio sound. And sometimes I
> was in the middle of an important news story. So I'd have to wait to
> backup.
>
> Do they all turn off the radio sound? I suppose the add-ons don't but
> I wanted the next car to have it as original equipment.
Last three cars it just lowed the volume
>> average, 210 people are killed in backover accidents each year. More
>> than 7,000 are injured annually. Approximately half of all people killed
>> in backover accidents each year are children.
>
> It's part of natural selection, a way of eliminating children who play
> behind cars, so they won't have children who do the same thing.
>
>> Next time you are in the neighborhood you can drive my car and it will
>> change your mind.
>
> My rental car in 2022 for 4 months, a Citroen, had a backup camera, and
> I liked the camera, but it turned off the radio sound. And sometimes I
> was in the middle of an important news story. So I'd have to wait to
> backup.
>
> Do they all turn off the radio sound? I suppose the add-ons don't but
> I wanted the next car to have it as original equipment.
rbowman
Aug 4, 2023, 10:14:54 AM8/4/23
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 06:25:27 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> Use a Garmin pocket GPS to mark the spot before you walk away, and then
> use the GPS to find your way back to the car.
I have done that when I'm out hiking, particularly in the desert where I
> Use a Garmin pocket GPS to mark the spot before you walk away, and then
> use the GPS to find your way back to the car.
park randomly and go off cross country. I had a green car that was easy to
lose in the saguaros and mesquites. It would be overkill around here. The
parking lots don't cover acres like I've seen in more populous areas.
> Or get a car alarm system with extra long range remote, so you can use
> your remote to make your car chirp and then follow the sound to find
> your car.
has activated their remote.
rbowman
Aug 4, 2023, 10:33:40 AM8/4/23
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:27:37 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
> Next time you're here make sure to see the Jamestown Settlement too.
> Busch Gardens amusement park is worth the price of admission.
I have fond memories of Jamestown Settlement. The persimmons were ripe.
> Next time you're here make sure to see the Jamestown Settlement too.
> Busch Gardens amusement park is worth the price of admission.
I'd never seen a persimmon tree before but immediately recognized the
fruit laying on the ground.
Old Sturbridge Village is similar without as much history. I used to go
there to get away from the 20th century.
rbowman
Aug 4, 2023, 10:36:29 AM8/4/23
to
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 05:41:56 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> If yours turns off the radio, then maybe they want you to concentrate
> when you backup. You might miss some car honking at you if your radio is
> deafeningly loud.
Mine doesn't but it's not a bad idea. When backing a semi into a tight
> If yours turns off the radio, then maybe they want you to concentrate
> when you backup. You might miss some car honking at you if your radio is
> deafeningly loud.
spot I learned to turn off the CB. The idiot chatter can be distracting.
Peeler
Aug 4, 2023, 11:10:40 AM8/4/23
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On 4 Aug 2023 14:36:25 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
<BG>
--
Another one of the resident senile bigmouth's idiotic "cool" lines:
"If you're an ax murderer don't leave souvenir photos on your phone."
"MID: <k7ssc7...@mid.individual.net>"
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> Mine doesn't but it's not a bad idea. When backing a semi into a tight
> spot I learned to turn off the CB. The idiot chatter can be distracting.
You never seem to be distracted by your own idiot chatter, senile gossip.
> spot I learned to turn off the CB. The idiot chatter can be distracting.
<BG>
--
Another one of the resident senile bigmouth's idiotic "cool" lines:
"If you're an ax murderer don't leave souvenir photos on your phone."
"MID: <k7ssc7...@mid.individual.net>"
Peeler
Aug 4, 2023, 11:12:27 AM8/4/23
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On 4 Aug 2023 14:33:35 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
<FLUSH rest of the endless senile drivel unread>
--
Yet another thrilling story from the resident senile gossip's thrilling
life:
"Around here you have to be careful to lock your car toward the end of
summer or somebody will leave a grocery sack full of zucchini in it."
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> I have fond memories of Jamestown Settlement. The persimmons were ripe.
Oh, no! The idiotic senile gossiping starts again...
<FLUSH rest of the endless senile drivel unread>
--
Yet another thrilling story from the resident senile gossip's thrilling
life:
"Around here you have to be careful to lock your car toward the end of
summer or somebody will leave a grocery sack full of zucchini in it."
Peeler
Aug 4, 2023, 11:15:19 AM8/4/23
to
On 4 Aug 2023 14:14:49 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
egomaniacal senile crap unread again...
<FLUSH>
--
Yet another thrilling account from the resident senile superhero's senile
life:
"I went to a Driveby Truckers concert at a local venue and they made me
leave my knife in the car. Never went back. Come to think of it the Truckers
had a Black Lives Matter banner. Never bought any of their music again
either."
MID: <k84ip9...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> I have done that when I'm out hiking, particularly in the desert where I
> park randomly and go off cross country. I had
Ah, it's about you again! Allow me to FLUSH the rest of your notorious
> park randomly and go off cross country. I had
egomaniacal senile crap unread again...
<FLUSH>
--
Yet another thrilling account from the resident senile superhero's senile
life:
"I went to a Driveby Truckers concert at a local venue and they made me
leave my knife in the car. Never went back. Come to think of it the Truckers
had a Black Lives Matter banner. Never bought any of their music again
either."
MID: <k84ip9...@mid.individual.net>
micky
Aug 4, 2023, 12:04:49 PM8/4/23
to
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Aug 2023 03:34:53 -0400, micky
Sorry. 50 cents an hour, up to 4 hours.
micky
Aug 4, 2023, 12:25:17 PM8/4/23
to
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:27:37 -0000 (UTC),
But I've been on the White's Ferry at Poolesville Md. The Potomac is
much narrower there than the James River is. I see here that White's
Ferry has been open since 1786, but it closed in 2020 "following a
long-running dispute over the fery's Virgian landing site on Rockland
Farms." You'd think that would have gotten settled in over 200 years.
After the new owner, 3 counties offered 1.1 million dollars to buy 1.4
acres but the owner wouldn't sell, and t he ferry is scheduled to be
scrapped.
> I often take that when out for a leisurely motorcycle
>ride. Then of course there's the Colonial Parkway which goes from
>Jamestown through Williamsburg to Yorktown right along the James River
>and has some very picturesque scenery.
That's a story in itself. Driving through small towns from Maryland Rte
301 to Jamestown, I hadn't passed many gas stations, and I didn't stop
when I passed one. And it was getting late, only 90 minutes until
closing when I got to Historic Jamestown, so I iddn't have time to get
gas, but I'd passed a station only 3 or 4 miles from Jamestown. When I
got to Jamestown I had 16 miles worth of gas, and when leaving I decided
to take the 8 mile tour through the peninsula or island east of the
settlement. Now I had 11 miles and I headed for that gas station, but
I'm drivign and driving and I don't see it. I don't see the marina or
the mainland. I try to see where the closest gas station is with my
phone but there is no data. Finally the road turns north, I get off at
the first exit, wave at a car going by and ask directions to a gas
station. I had 6 miles of gas. They directed me to Harris Teeter, only
2 miles away. So I was saved.
Later on that day I took another part of the Parkway to Yorktown. It's
very pretty with tall old trees growing almost right up to the road. I
would guess the Parkway dates to the 50's when they were trying to
emphasize the first 2 or 3 tourist things, the only ones that existed
then?
> Next time you're here make sure
>to see the Jamestown Settlement too.
I dind't know about that until after I'd left, but one cannot do
everything in one 3-day weekend.
> Busch Gardens amusement park is
>worth the price of admission.
Good to know.
I went back on the Bay Bridge Tunnel which I had never seen before.
Across the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay. Two consecutive tunnels
actually. 15 or 20 miles across the water with no place to stop (unless
you have an emergency). (You know this stuff but not all the readers.)
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>micky wrote:
>
>>I was just down there last weekend.
>>
>>I went to Washington's Birthplace and Jamestown.
>>
>>The next day to Yorktown Battle Museum and Yorktown Battlefield (the
>>car tour includes the most beautiful woods I've ever seen.)
>>
>>The next day to the Virginia War Museum and the Norfolk Zoo.
>>
>>Still a lot of things to see on some future trip.
>
>We still have a ferry which goes between Surry and Jamestown across the
>James River.
Well, I've been on the Staten Island ferry, but never with a car iirc.
>micky wrote:
>
>>I was just down there last weekend.
>>
>>I went to Washington's Birthplace and Jamestown.
>>
>>The next day to Yorktown Battle Museum and Yorktown Battlefield (the
>>car tour includes the most beautiful woods I've ever seen.)
>>
>>The next day to the Virginia War Museum and the Norfolk Zoo.
>>
>>Still a lot of things to see on some future trip.
>
>We still have a ferry which goes between Surry and Jamestown across the
>James River.
But I've been on the White's Ferry at Poolesville Md. The Potomac is
much narrower there than the James River is. I see here that White's
Ferry has been open since 1786, but it closed in 2020 "following a
long-running dispute over the fery's Virgian landing site on Rockland
Farms." You'd think that would have gotten settled in over 200 years.
After the new owner, 3 counties offered 1.1 million dollars to buy 1.4
acres but the owner wouldn't sell, and t he ferry is scheduled to be
scrapped.
> I often take that when out for a leisurely motorcycle
>ride. Then of course there's the Colonial Parkway which goes from
>Jamestown through Williamsburg to Yorktown right along the James River
>and has some very picturesque scenery.
301 to Jamestown, I hadn't passed many gas stations, and I didn't stop
when I passed one. And it was getting late, only 90 minutes until
closing when I got to Historic Jamestown, so I iddn't have time to get
gas, but I'd passed a station only 3 or 4 miles from Jamestown. When I
got to Jamestown I had 16 miles worth of gas, and when leaving I decided
to take the 8 mile tour through the peninsula or island east of the
settlement. Now I had 11 miles and I headed for that gas station, but
I'm drivign and driving and I don't see it. I don't see the marina or
the mainland. I try to see where the closest gas station is with my
phone but there is no data. Finally the road turns north, I get off at
the first exit, wave at a car going by and ask directions to a gas
station. I had 6 miles of gas. They directed me to Harris Teeter, only
2 miles away. So I was saved.
Later on that day I took another part of the Parkway to Yorktown. It's
very pretty with tall old trees growing almost right up to the road. I
would guess the Parkway dates to the 50's when they were trying to
emphasize the first 2 or 3 tourist things, the only ones that existed
then?
> Next time you're here make sure
>to see the Jamestown Settlement too.
everything in one 3-day weekend.
> Busch Gardens amusement park is
>worth the price of admission.
I went back on the Bay Bridge Tunnel which I had never seen before.
Across the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay. Two consecutive tunnels
actually. 15 or 20 miles across the water with no place to stop (unless
you have an emergency). (You know this stuff but not all the readers.)
Mark Lloyd
Aug 4, 2023, 12:35:05 PM8/4/23
to
On 8/3/23 21:18, Michael Trew wrote:
[snip]
> In Ohio, they place out 5 cones, and you start with the front bumper at
> the first cone. Four of the cones are arranged in a rectangle, and the
> fifth one is ahead of them in the center. When you pull into the
> traffic cone rectangle, the instructor advises you to pull to the left
> or right, then you stop with your rear bumper at the front cone, and
> back through to the beginning. I guess this simulates parallel parking.
Then, you need to learn to park between cars. They're not the same as
traffic cones.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/
"I think when a person has been found guilty of rape he should be
castrated. That would stop him pretty quick." [Billy Graham, 1974]
[snip]
> In Ohio, they place out 5 cones, and you start with the front bumper at
> the first cone. Four of the cones are arranged in a rectangle, and the
> fifth one is ahead of them in the center. When you pull into the
> traffic cone rectangle, the instructor advises you to pull to the left
> or right, then you stop with your rear bumper at the front cone, and
> back through to the beginning. I guess this simulates parallel parking.
traffic cones.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/
"I think when a person has been found guilty of rape he should be
castrated. That would stop him pretty quick." [Billy Graham, 1974]
micky
Aug 4, 2023, 12:41:35 PM8/4/23
to
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Aug 2023 08:54:55 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 8/2/23 8:34 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>> On 8/2/2023 11:19 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> to take the passenger head rest off. In parking lots and such when you're
>>> looking for things coming from the side it creates a huge blind spot.
>
>I should remove the rear-seat headrests, but it's my OWN that bothers me
>the most --
I should too, the rear-seat but they're mounted on some sheet steel that
goes down into the seat. I'm willing to saw it off except that a new
owner may not be able to pass inspection or get it licensed. Maryland
only inspects cars once, when you first buy it, after that it can fall
apart unless a cop notices and complains.
No one ever sits in the back seat so it's not protecting anyone, and
when the top is down, the headrests really hurt the view.
> I have to tilt my body to the right in order to see around
>the damn thing. Parking lots are the worst -- the bastards can come at
turn 90^. I can go maybe 60^ and them move my eyes almost the rest of
the way. I really noticed this on my foreign vacations where the
streets were narrower and the buildings closer to the corner, and I had
trouble turning my head to see who was coming. In the US it's not
really a problem, except I don't like being handicapped.
Would stretching exercises put my neck back to normal?
>I didn't really appreciate the seeability of the 1988 Caddy that tried
>to kill me. There are always tradeoffs, right?
In practice probably, but I don't think there has to be.
<bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 8/2/23 8:34 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>> On 8/2/2023 11:19 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 08:41:05 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>> What REALLY drives me nuts about the 2013 Corolla: too many blind
>>>> spots. Headrests. Pillars. Can't raise seat high enough to compensate
>>>> for the decreased glass at the lower edge of the windows. When I
>>>> contemplate a lane change or turn I do multiple head swivels, especially
>>>> in parking lots where I KNOW drivers are only looking for empty spaces
>>>> and pedestrians are only looking at their phones.
>>> I have never had a passenger in my current car and someday will remember
>>>
>>>> What REALLY drives me nuts about the 2013 Corolla: too many blind
>>>> spots. Headrests. Pillars. Can't raise seat high enough to compensate
>>>> for the decreased glass at the lower edge of the windows. When I
>>>> contemplate a lane change or turn I do multiple head swivels, especially
>>>> in parking lots where I KNOW drivers are only looking for empty spaces
>>>> and pedestrians are only looking at their phones.
>>> to take the passenger head rest off. In parking lots and such when you're
>>> looking for things coming from the side it creates a huge blind spot.
>>
>> You can slide the front passenger seat back like a passenger with very
>> long legs is sitting there, and recline the seat's back all the way like
>> the passenger is looking at the sunroof.
>
>All my passengers have long legs :-(
>> You can slide the front passenger seat back like a passenger with very
>> long legs is sitting there, and recline the seat's back all the way like
>> the passenger is looking at the sunroof.
>
>
>I should remove the rear-seat headrests, but it's my OWN that bothers me
>the most --
I should too, the rear-seat but they're mounted on some sheet steel that
goes down into the seat. I'm willing to saw it off except that a new
owner may not be able to pass inspection or get it licensed. Maryland
only inspects cars once, when you first buy it, after that it can fall
apart unless a cop notices and complains.
No one ever sits in the back seat so it's not protecting anyone, and
when the top is down, the headrests really hurt the view.
> I have to tilt my body to the right in order to see around
>the damn thing. Parking lots are the worst -- the bastards can come at
>you from all sides and just because the path was clear two seconds ago
>doesn't mean that it's clear NOW.
Since I stopped sleeping on my belly, my neck has lots its ability to
>doesn't mean that it's clear NOW.
turn 90^. I can go maybe 60^ and them move my eyes almost the rest of
the way. I really noticed this on my foreign vacations where the
streets were narrower and the buildings closer to the corner, and I had
trouble turning my head to see who was coming. In the US it's not
really a problem, except I don't like being handicapped.
Would stretching exercises put my neck back to normal?
>I didn't really appreciate the seeability of the 1988 Caddy that tried
>to kill me. There are always tradeoffs, right?
In practice probably, but I don't think there has to be.
micky
Aug 4, 2023, 12:42:51 PM8/4/23
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In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Aug 2023 16:14:11 -0000 (UTC),
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>The Real Bev wrote:
>
>>Parking lots are the worst -- the bastards can come at
>>you from all sides and just because the path was clear two seconds
>>ago doesn't mean that it's clear NOW.
>
I back out a little at a time to give the other crackpot drivers time to
see me.
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>The Real Bev wrote:
>
>>Parking lots are the worst -- the bastards can come at
>>you from all sides and just because the path was clear two seconds
>>ago doesn't mean that it's clear NOW.
>
>I try to make it a point to back into parking spots. I feel it's much
>safer getting out.
I'm afraid I'll hit something like another car backing in.
>safer getting out.
I back out a little at a time to give the other crackpot drivers time to
see me.
micky
Aug 4, 2023, 12:50:06 PM8/4/23
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In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Aug 2023 05:41:56 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
distract me anyhow. Maybe it was a setting for rental cars and the same
car non-rental wouldn't do that, buit they don't sell Citroens in the US
so I can't go check.
It's one more thing I'll have to remember to check when buying a car.
>You might miss some car honking at you if your radio is
>deafeningly loud.
If they only turned the volume down, that would be good enough.
>
>
? <@.> wrote:
>
>> My rental car in 2022 for 4 months, a Citroen, had a backup camera, and
>> I liked the camera, but it turned off the radio sound. And sometimes I
>> was in the middle of an important news story. So I'd have to wait to
>> backup.
>>
>> Do they all turn off the radio sound? I suppose the add-ons don't but
>> I wanted the next car to have it as original equipment.
>
>
>My 2017 VW Jetta has OEM radio and backup camera. When I shift to
>reverse, the backup camera displays on the radio's LCD touch screen, but
>the radio keeps going unfazed.
Thanks. Good to know. AFAIC it's good that some are like that.
>
>> My rental car in 2022 for 4 months, a Citroen, had a backup camera, and
>> I liked the camera, but it turned off the radio sound. And sometimes I
>> was in the middle of an important news story. So I'd have to wait to
>> backup.
>>
>> Do they all turn off the radio sound? I suppose the add-ons don't but
>> I wanted the next car to have it as original equipment.
>
>
>My 2017 VW Jetta has OEM radio and backup camera. When I shift to
>reverse, the backup camera displays on the radio's LCD touch screen, but
>the radio keeps going unfazed.
>
>If yours turns off the radio, then maybe they want you to concentrate
>when you backup.
I'm sure that's it, but I don't care what they want. It doesn't
>If yours turns off the radio, then maybe they want you to concentrate
>when you backup.
distract me anyhow. Maybe it was a setting for rental cars and the same
car non-rental wouldn't do that, buit they don't sell Citroens in the US
so I can't go check.
It's one more thing I'll have to remember to check when buying a car.
>You might miss some car honking at you if your radio is
>deafeningly loud.
>
>
micky
Aug 4, 2023, 12:51:12 PM8/4/23
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In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Aug 2023 09:30:06 -0400, Ed P
Thanks Good to know. That wouldn't be bad.
Cindy Hamilton
Aug 4, 2023, 5:09:02 PM8/4/23
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On 2023-08-04, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
> Since I stopped sleeping on my belly, my neck has lots its ability to
> turn 90^.
Odd. I've slept on my side or back all my life and my neck
>
> Since I stopped sleeping on my belly, my neck has lots its ability to
> turn 90^.
turns 90 degrees.
> Would stretching exercises put my neck back to normal?
--
Cindy Hamilton
The Real Bev
Aug 4, 2023, 5:51:03 PM8/4/23
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On 8/3/23 9:14 AM, badgolferman wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>
>>Parking lots are the worst -- the bastards can come at
>>you from all sides and just because the path was clear two seconds
>>ago doesn't mean that it's clear NOW.
>
> I try to make it a point to back into parking spots. I feel it's much
> safer getting out.
But then people move up behind you and it takes a while to sort out the
> The Real Bev wrote:
>
>>Parking lots are the worst -- the bastards can come at
>>you from all sides and just because the path was clear two seconds
>>ago doesn't mean that it's clear NOW.
>
> I try to make it a point to back into parking spots. I feel it's much
> safer getting out.
precedence. Apparently the backup lights are no longer meaningful :-(
--
Cheers, Bev
The Real Bev
Aug 4, 2023, 5:55:32 PM8/4/23
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On 8/3/23 7:21 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
I really wanted a RAV4 until they started getting bigger, more car-like,
with less window area and only one inch of clearance better than the
Corolla.
What I'd LIKE is a Honda S2000, but it's not all that practical :-(
--
Cheers, Bev
> On 8/2/2023 11:41 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>> I could do that really well when I drove big cars. I just KNEW where the
>> edges were from decades of experience. The Corolla is very different.
>> Even though it's much smaller I have no idea about the edges and always
>> guess wrong.
>>
>>
>> I could do that really well when I drove big cars. I just KNEW where the
>> edges were from decades of experience. The Corolla is very different.
>> Even though it's much smaller I have no idea about the edges and always
>> guess wrong.
>>
>> What REALLY drives me nuts about the 2013 Corolla: too many blind spots.
>> Headrests. Pillars. Can't raise seat high enough to compensate for the
>> decreased glass at the lower edge of the windows. When I contemplate a
>> lane change or turn I do multiple head swivels, especially in parking
>> lots where I KNOW drivers are only looking for empty spaces and
>> pedestrians are only looking at their phones.
>>
>> Headrests. Pillars. Can't raise seat high enough to compensate for the
>> decreased glass at the lower edge of the windows. When I contemplate a
>> lane change or turn I do multiple head swivels, especially in parking
>> lots where I KNOW drivers are only looking for empty spaces and
>> pedestrians are only looking at their phones.
>>
>> It never occurred to me that modern cars have much less seeability (!)
>> than older ones; if I'd thought about it I might have chosen a different
>> car. Probably not, though -- they ALL seem to look like that and I chose
>> the Corolla for reliability.
>
>> than older ones; if I'd thought about it I might have chosen a different
>> car. Probably not, though -- they ALL seem to look like that and I chose
>> the Corolla for reliability.
>
> Larger modern cars, especially SUV's, are far worse. Corolla was
> probably a good choice, but all modern cars have worse visibility.
> During the summer, when I regularly drive old cars (right now is a 1969
> Impala), I can parallel park with ease. Up to the 90's, most cars still
> had good visibility... not as much now.
Is it the cost of glass or the desire for a somehow faster appearance?
> probably a good choice, but all modern cars have worse visibility.
> During the summer, when I regularly drive old cars (right now is a 1969
> Impala), I can parallel park with ease. Up to the 90's, most cars still
> had good visibility... not as much now.
I really wanted a RAV4 until they started getting bigger, more car-like,
with less window area and only one inch of clearance better than the
Corolla.
What I'd LIKE is a Honda S2000, but it's not all that practical :-(
--
Cheers, Bev
The Real Bev
Aug 4, 2023, 6:03:15 PM8/4/23
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On 8/3/23 8:57 PM, rbowman wrote:
had) for our big trip through Utah. Skiing too. It was stuffed to the
gills, but was happy at 80 or 85 and behaved quite nicely (only one
pan-scrape, which was my fault) on the road through Monument Valley.
Did fine coming back through the blizzard near Ely NV, a thrilling
first-time experience. Great mileage too.
> I won't go into finding the car in a sea of pickups and SUVs. Putting a
> flag on the stubby little antenna wouldn't buy me anything.
No antenna on the white 2013 Corolla. If I forget where I parked it's a
real bitch finding it since the key-beeper works for 50 feet or less.
I was thinking of putting orange racing stripes on it until I found out
how much even the cheesy plastic ones cost.
--
Cheers, Bev
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 16:14:11 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>>Parking lots are the worst -- the bastards can come at you from all
>>>sides and just because the path was clear two seconds ago doesn't mean
>>>that it's clear NOW.
>>
>> I try to make it a point to back into parking spots. I feel it's much
>> safer getting out.
>
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>>Parking lots are the worst -- the bastards can come at you from all
>>>sides and just because the path was clear two seconds ago doesn't mean
>>>that it's clear NOW.
>>
>> I try to make it a point to back into parking spots. I feel it's much
>> safer getting out.
>
> I either back in or if in a parking lot find an empty slot where I can
> pull through to the other side. The problem is when you drive a Toyota
> Yaris you need xray vision to see through the two massive pickups flanking
> you. I very gingerly ease the nose out. That's better than having to pull
> most of the car out to see anything.
Nobody knows what a Yaris is, but a friend and I rented one (all they
> pull through to the other side. The problem is when you drive a Toyota
> Yaris you need xray vision to see through the two massive pickups flanking
> you. I very gingerly ease the nose out. That's better than having to pull
> most of the car out to see anything.
had) for our big trip through Utah. Skiing too. It was stuffed to the
gills, but was happy at 80 or 85 and behaved quite nicely (only one
pan-scrape, which was my fault) on the road through Monument Valley.
Did fine coming back through the blizzard near Ely NV, a thrilling
first-time experience. Great mileage too.
> I won't go into finding the car in a sea of pickups and SUVs. Putting a
> flag on the stubby little antenna wouldn't buy me anything.
real bitch finding it since the key-beeper works for 50 feet or less.
I was thinking of putting orange racing stripes on it until I found out
how much even the cheesy plastic ones cost.
--
Cheers, Bev
micky
Aug 4, 2023, 6:21:00 PM8/4/23
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In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Aug 2023 21:08:58 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
years ago and only objectively noticed that I can't turn my head during
my spring 2022 trip.
>> Would stretching exercises put my neck back to normal?
>
>Probably. Talk to your doctor about it.
OKay.
<hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
>On 2023-08-04, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>> Since I stopped sleeping on my belly, my neck has lots its ability to
>> turn 90^.
>
>Odd. I've slept on my side or back all my life and my neck
>turns 90 degrees.
Maybe I have the wrong cause. I stopped sleeping on my belly 10 or 20
>On 2023-08-04, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>> Since I stopped sleeping on my belly, my neck has lots its ability to
>> turn 90^.
>
>Odd. I've slept on my side or back all my life and my neck
>turns 90 degrees.
years ago and only objectively noticed that I can't turn my head during
my spring 2022 trip.
>> Would stretching exercises put my neck back to normal?
>
>Probably. Talk to your doctor about it.
Jim Joyce
Aug 4, 2023, 6:28:58 PM8/4/23
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2023 03:45:16 -0400, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>I have angle or drive-in parking where I live and almost every place I
>go, and eve where it's parallel, at the curb, there's no one else
>parking so I just drive in and drive out in Forward. But I'm still
>pretty good at parallel. You don't have to follow all the instructions
>if you make it so your front right corner just misses the left rear
>corner of the car in front, and you're at the right angle. I think that
>is it.
Some cars, (Buick, I think?), have a parking assist feature that says, in
commercials anyway, that the car can parallel park all by itself, with your
hands off the wheel. I've never had such a vehicle.
I recently saw an announcement from Kia/Hyundai that they've developed a parking
feature where all 4 wheels turn 90 degrees, allowing the vehicle to move
sideways into a parallel parking spot. The demo was pretty cool.
>I have angle or drive-in parking where I live and almost every place I
>go, and eve where it's parallel, at the curb, there's no one else
>parking so I just drive in and drive out in Forward. But I'm still
>pretty good at parallel. You don't have to follow all the instructions
>if you make it so your front right corner just misses the left rear
>corner of the car in front, and you're at the right angle. I think that
>is it.
Some cars, (Buick, I think?), have a parking assist feature that says, in
commercials anyway, that the car can parallel park all by itself, with your
hands off the wheel. I've never had such a vehicle.
I recently saw an announcement from Kia/Hyundai that they've developed a parking
feature where all 4 wheels turn 90 degrees, allowing the vehicle to move
sideways into a parallel parking spot. The demo was pretty cool.
Jim Joyce
Aug 4, 2023, 6:33:45 PM8/4/23
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2023 03:28:17 -0400, micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>My rental car in 2022 for 4 months, a Citroen, had a backup camera, and
>I liked the camera, but it turned off the radio sound. And sometimes I
>was in the middle of an important news story. So I'd have to wait to
>backup.
>
>Do they all turn off the radio sound? I suppose the add-ons don't but
>I wanted the next car to have it as original equipment.
My 2017 Tacoma doesn't do anything to the audio level when I back up, but my
>My rental car in 2022 for 4 months, a Citroen, had a backup camera, and
>I liked the camera, but it turned off the radio sound. And sometimes I
>was in the middle of an important news story. So I'd have to wait to
>backup.
>
>Do they all turn off the radio sound? I suppose the add-ons don't but
>I wanted the next car to have it as original equipment.
2016 Sorento has an option (in the Settings, of course) to lower the audio level
when backing up, or to do nothing at all. There's no option to turn the sound
off completely.
micky
Aug 4, 2023, 8:21:28 PM8/4/23
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In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Aug 2023 17:33:41 -0500, Jim Joyce
That's good too. I went through the radio's options**, and it didnt'
have anything about that, but they could have it hidden for rental cars.
I also found and dl'd the 500 page owners manual and I think I looked in
it. (It's on this laptop maybe I'll look again, but the previous car
doesn't matter, as long as the next car works like I want.)
I can tell from being on the computer... When I'm concentrating, I don't
hear the radio, so it won't be a problem backing up, any more than it is
now.
**It did have the ability to turn off stay-in-lane warnings. I had to
do that every time i started the car, because some lanes were so narrow
and were against walls on one side, and I'd rather straddle two lanes
and move over once in a while than drive so close to a wall.
have anything about that, but they could have it hidden for rental cars.
I also found and dl'd the 500 page owners manual and I think I looked in
it. (It's on this laptop maybe I'll look again, but the previous car
doesn't matter, as long as the next car works like I want.)
I can tell from being on the computer... When I'm concentrating, I don't
hear the radio, so it won't be a problem backing up, any more than it is
now.
**It did have the ability to turn off stay-in-lane warnings. I had to
do that every time i started the car, because some lanes were so narrow
and were against walls on one side, and I'd rather straddle two lanes
and move over once in a while than drive so close to a wall.
Michael Trew
Aug 6, 2023, 10:42:42 AM8/6/23
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On 8/3/2023 10:53 PM, Ed P wrote:
>
> I don't know what the view of that camera is, but new ones are far
> better. My 2023 is better than my 2018 that was better than my 2013.
> You do know why cameras were mandated don't you? Quite a few people
> backed over their kids playing behind the car was a big one.
That's the problem with huge A/B/C pillars in modern vehicles. They say
that it's for roll-over safety, but I'd rather be able to see behind me
clearly.
Modern SUV's are dangerous with their limited view. I read a study
where 8 children can sit in a row from the front bumper forward of a
Chevy Suburban until the driver can finally see the top of the last
one's head. That's a very limited range of view due to being jacked up
so high with a large hood. Smaller, lower cars are safer than SUV's and
trucks.
> Next time you are in the neighborhood you can drive my car and it will
> change your mind.
I believe you; I will have to take a look at it.
>
> I don't know what the view of that camera is, but new ones are far
> better. My 2023 is better than my 2018 that was better than my 2013.
> You do know why cameras were mandated don't you? Quite a few people
> backed over their kids playing behind the car was a big one.
That's the problem with huge A/B/C pillars in modern vehicles. They say
that it's for roll-over safety, but I'd rather be able to see behind me
clearly.
Modern SUV's are dangerous with their limited view. I read a study
where 8 children can sit in a row from the front bumper forward of a
Chevy Suburban until the driver can finally see the top of the last
one's head. That's a very limited range of view due to being jacked up
so high with a large hood. Smaller, lower cars are safer than SUV's and
trucks.
> Next time you are in the neighborhood you can drive my car and it will
> change your mind.
Michael Trew
Aug 6, 2023, 10:51:01 AM8/6/23
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On 8/4/2023 12:35 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 8/3/23 21:18, Michael Trew wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> In Ohio, they place out 5 cones, and you start with the front bumper
>> at the first cone. Four of the cones are arranged in a rectangle, and
>> the fifth one is ahead of them in the center. When you pull into the
>> traffic cone rectangle, the instructor advises you to pull to the left
>> or right, then you stop with your rear bumper at the front cone, and
>> back through to the beginning. I guess this simulates parallel parking.
>
> Then, you need to learn to park between cars.
That didn't take me long. With others, their mileage may vary. When
> On 8/3/23 21:18, Michael Trew wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> In Ohio, they place out 5 cones, and you start with the front bumper
>> at the first cone. Four of the cones are arranged in a rectangle, and
>> the fifth one is ahead of them in the center. When you pull into the
>> traffic cone rectangle, the instructor advises you to pull to the left
>> or right, then you stop with your rear bumper at the front cone, and
>> back through to the beginning. I guess this simulates parallel parking.
>
> Then, you need to learn to park between cars.
your first job is in Pittsburgh, and you have to travel around town
throughout the day, you have to learn to parallel park in tight spaces
on busy streets very quickly while traffic waits.
> They're not the same as traffic cones.
Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity)
Aug 7, 2023, 7:33:33 AM8/7/23
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On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:39:27 PM UTC-4, Wally J wrote:
> A teen failed her driving test and the instructor wrote that she failed to
> check her blind spot when making a right turn at an intersection with a
> green light when the car crossed the bike lane to the right.
>
> On my car, there is no blind spot.
> I set the mirrors so that I can see any vehicle next to me.
> From behind the car, to behind the c pillar and up to the b pillar.
>
> The car only leaves the mirrors when it crosses the b pillar.
> And then I look (when turning right) into the passenger window.
>
> Where is this blind spot the instructor is talking about?
> And how do you properly cross a bike land when making a right turn?
__________
In case readers aren't familiar with it, this - 'BGE'(blindzone-glare-elim.) - is
how Wally, and I myself, set up our sideview mirrors:
https://www.safe2drive.com/media/en/illustrations/traditionalMirrorBGEmirror.png
However, most state DMV driving testers go by the books, which require
at least a quick turn of the head before lane changes or turns, regardless
of how you set your side mirrors.
> A teen failed her driving test and the instructor wrote that she failed to
> check her blind spot when making a right turn at an intersection with a
> green light when the car crossed the bike lane to the right.
>
> On my car, there is no blind spot.
> I set the mirrors so that I can see any vehicle next to me.
> From behind the car, to behind the c pillar and up to the b pillar.
>
> The car only leaves the mirrors when it crosses the b pillar.
> And then I look (when turning right) into the passenger window.
>
> Where is this blind spot the instructor is talking about?
> And how do you properly cross a bike land when making a right turn?
__________
In case readers aren't familiar with it, this - 'BGE'(blindzone-glare-elim.) - is
how Wally, and I myself, set up our sideview mirrors:
https://www.safe2drive.com/media/en/illustrations/traditionalMirrorBGEmirror.png
However, most state DMV driving testers go by the books, which require
at least a quick turn of the head before lane changes or turns, regardless
of how you set your side mirrors.
Chris K-Man (Zickcermacity)
Aug 7, 2023, 7:42:19 AM8/7/23
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On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:45:56 AM UTC-4, badgolferman wrote:
> Wally J wrote:
>
> >A teen failed her driving test and the instructor wrote that she
> >failed to check her blind spot when making a right turn at an
> >intersection with a green light when the car crossed the bike lane to
> >the right.
> >
> >On my car, there is no blind spot.
> >I set the mirrors so that I can see any vehicle next to me.
> >From behind the car, to behind the c pillar and up to the b pillar.
> >
> >The car only leaves the mirrors when it crosses the b pillar.
> >And then I look (when turning right) into the passenger window.
> >
> >Where is this blind spot the instructor is talking about?
> >And how do you properly cross a bike land when making a right turn?
> Of course the blind spot is on the right rear and you're supposed to
> Wally J wrote:
>
> >A teen failed her driving test and the instructor wrote that she
> >failed to check her blind spot when making a right turn at an
> >intersection with a green light when the car crossed the bike lane to
> >the right.
> >
> >On my car, there is no blind spot.
> >I set the mirrors so that I can see any vehicle next to me.
> >From behind the car, to behind the c pillar and up to the b pillar.
> >
> >The car only leaves the mirrors when it crosses the b pillar.
> >And then I look (when turning right) into the passenger window.
> >
> >Where is this blind spot the instructor is talking about?
> >And how do you properly cross a bike land when making a right turn?
> turn your head to look. In reality I adjust both my mirrors to be in
> my blind spot rather than the side of the car and move my head to see
> the side of the car for perspective in the mirror. Since I started
> riding a motorcycle five years ago I've made it a habit to turn my head
> again and actually look when changing lanes to the right. Having said
> all that I don't see how or why you would look in the blind spot when
> crossing over a bike lane unless you're going real slow or are stopped.
> If you're moving at normal speeds you can see any bike you're
> approaching and cross over without any chance of one coming up behind
> you.
>
> I took my first driver test in downtown Washington DC driving my
> father's 1967 Cadillac Sedan DeVille. That beast was nearly 20 feet
> long and hard to maneuver in the crowded and narrow streets of the
> city. It also was old enough that it only had one side view mirror on
> the driver's side. In those days the mirror was small and didn't stick
> out a foot like they do now. You had to turn your head in both
> directions when changing lanes because the one mirror was mostly
> useless.
______________
badgolfer:
Toward the end of what I quoted, you pointed out something that I consider
actually a FLAW of the sideview mirrors on modern(post 1990s) vehicles:
That of the side view mirrors being mounted so far out from the sides of the
car that you have to crick your neck to see in them in the first place!
It also negates the advantages of the BGE(blindzone-glare-elim) mirror
setting method prevalent in Europe, and I find that sometimes I lose even
moving vans in the zone between the sideview and rear view mirror.
For an idea of the best location for sideview mirrors on a car at least,
observe carefully their position on this Jaguar:
https://ccmarketplace.azureedge.net/cc-temp/listing/87/6342/1283501-1960-jaguar-xk150-std.jpg
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