Wal-Mart Auto Tire Scam
pv4...@hotmail.com
going
on at Wal-Mart Tire and Lube Express stores.
Wal-Mart has agreements with tire manufacturers such as Goodyear and
Michelin/Uniroyal/Goodrich (same company) to exclusively sell certain
tires
from these manufacturers. These include the Goodyear Viva/Viva II/Viva
Touring, Uniroyal Radial A/S and others. However, the manufacturers DO
NOT provide their normal warranties for these tires. If you search on
these
tire names on the manufacturer's websites, you will find that they
specifically
disclaim warranty coverage for these tires, and say that warranty
coverage is
only available through Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart provides no such disclaimer
in their
advertising, so there is no way to know this without going to the
manufacturer's websites. Customers are led to believe that they are
buying
national-brand tires with a national warranty, when they are not. It
appears
that these manufacturers are simply allowing their names to be used so
they
can sell a high volume of lower-quality tires through Wal-Mart.
However, the problem is much more serious. Wal-Mart still advertises
mileage
and defect warranties for these tires, but in fact, they WILL NOT
provide
copies of warranties to customers, nor are they available in the stores
or by
mail. These warranties apparently DO NOT EXIST. This is a violation
of
Federal Trade Commission regulations under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty
Act,
which requires advertised warranties to be provided to customers or be
available in stores. (See "A Businessperson's Guide To Federal
Warranty Law"
at www.ftc.gov). It is also a violation of federal and state laws for
deceptive sales practices.
I have tried for nearly a year to get a copy of the warranty for some
tires
that I purchased at Wal-Mart, and they will not send it to me. The
Wal-Mart
managers and customer service people seem oblivious to the requirements
of the federal regulations. Even worse, an automotive consumer radio
show on
KKZN radio (760 AM) in Denver has reported that Wal-Mart is not
honoring
these advertised tire mileage warranties. Obviously, if they won't
give you a copy of the warranty, it makes it impossible to enforce it's
terms.
This same sort of scam is going on with various manufacturers of other
products
such as car batteries. For example, Exide batteries will not honor
warranties
for their auto batteries sold through the now-defunct Country General
farm
supply stores.
Michelin/Uniroyal/Goodrich and Goodyear are well aware of this
situation and
disclaim any responsibility. I will not buy any
Michelin/Uniroyal/Goodrich tires or
Goodyear tires so long as this nonsense is going on.
I would suggest that, whenever you buy tires, ask for a copy of a
MANUFACTURER'S warranty in advance, before you buy the tires. Don't
settle for a store warranty or verbal promises. If the warranty has a
list of
tire models that are covered, make sure your model is listed. If you
don't
have something in writing, you've got no warranty.
Hugo Schmeisser
<snip>
> Wal-Mart still advertises
> mileage
> and defect warranties for these tires, but in fact, they WILL NOT
> provide
> copies of warranties to customers, nor are they available in the
> stores or by
> mail. These warranties apparently DO NOT EXIST.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=121036
Time for your medication, sir.
John S.
You are dead wrong. Please don't post libelous information about
WalMart.
Treadwear Mileage Warranty
If the tread on a tire wears down to its wear bars before reaching its
warranted mileage, we will issue credit toward a replacement tire on a
prorated basis. For example, if a tire warranted for 40,000 miles wore
out after 20,000 miles, you would receive a credit of half the original
price of that tire toward the current price of a new replacement tire.
Uneven or premature tire wear caused by a vehicle's mechanical problems
is not covered by this warranty.
Guess what Buckwheat...the "we" above is WalMart. If you are too damn
dumb to read the information available before handing over your money I
have no sympathy.
steve goodsworth
Wal-mart is sucking the life out of communities all over the world. But
point in fact, this is not a group about wal-mart. Thanks for the heads
up though.
Pop
other relevant agencies? Or do you just lible?
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> I'd like to let people know about a fraudulent automobile tire
> scam
> going
> on at Wal-Mart Tire and Lube Express stores.
>
...
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can spot a troll in the first few paragraphs..........
Jay
pv4...@hotmail.com
You are obviously "to damn dumb" to go to www.ftc.gov and read the
document that I cited or go to www.uniroyal.com or www.goodyear.com to
see what a legal manufacturer's mileage and defect warranty looks like.
Federal Law specifies this, not me Alfalfa.
The uniroyal warranty is 14 pages. It is not simply a statement about
treadwear pro-rating. Wal-Mart knows this; that is why they say on
their website that you can write to them for the warranty. Such
requests go unanswered.
This is what a legal warranty is, Alfalfa:
1. What is Covered: This can include defects in materials and defects
in materials or workmanship (like treadwear separation), installation
errors, as well as wear-out coverage.
(Note that my Wal-Mart receipt does not tell you how long the treadwear
wear-out pro-rating is good for on the particular tire. I guess you
are supposed to remember that).
2. How Long Coverage Lasts: The warranty must tell you specifically how
long the warranty lasts.
(Are defecfts in installation, materials and workmanship covered until
the tread wear bars appear?. This has been an issue in a number of
fatal accidents over treadwear separation. What you cite says nothing
about defects and how they are covered.)
2. What is not covered.
3. What The Company Will Do
4. How To Get Service
5. How State Law Applies
When you purchase the so-called "Uniroyal" Radial A/S or "Goodyear"
Viva-type tires, they do not give you a copy of the warranty. They
also don't have them available in three Wal-Mart Tire & Lube Shops that
I have visited (as the law requires). Go and ask. As I said, the
websites SAYS that they will send you a copy of the complete warranty
on request. I invite you to write to the address given on the Wal-Mart
website to obtain copies of the warranties for these tires. Your
requests will go unanswered. Why don't you try all this and get back
to us.
Listen, I've been dealing with this for many months and have talked to
a Wal-Mart shop manager, store manager, district manager, customer
service people, and a representative fromn the Wal-Mart corporate
office. They are well aware of the problem, but seem unable to solve
it. As I mentioned, the "Automotive Troubleshooter Show" on AM 760 in
Denver broadcast a story in December about Wal-Mart not honoring a
warranty for defective tires, and the customer was also not given a
copy of the warranty in that case. I have given them nearly a year to
simply mail me a copy of the warranty, and they haven't.
You also don't deal at all with my other main point. Obviously, a
store CAN warrant their own tires that they purchase from a
manufacturer. That is what Big O tires, Discount Tires, and Peerless
Tyres all do. And they actually give you a copy of the COMPLETE mileage
and treadwear warranty. But they don't call them Goodyear or Uniroyal
tires, they have their own store brands. On the other hand, if you buy
a national-brand tire from these places, it is covered by a national
warranty and can be serviced by any shop that the manufacturer
authorizes. Some of the national-brand tires that Wal-Mart sells ARE
warranted by the manufacturer, but some are NOT. That's the problem.
They don't tell you this. And the only way to find out is to go to the
manufacturer's website and search on the name of the tires. Go to
www.uniroyal.com and www.goodyear.com and do search on the Uniroyal
Radial A/S and Goodyear Viva or Viva II or Viva Touring.
By the way, Wal-Mart, Sears and other retailers buy their batteries
from various manufacturer's including Exide, Johnson-Controls, and
others. But they use the Wal-Mart brand "EverStart" or Sears "DieHard"
and they make it very clear in the warranty book that these batteries
are only covered by the store. You can also get a copy of the
warranty; it's in the battery catalog, available in the store. If they
followed this practice with the tires, there wouldn't be a problem.
Think, before you flame.
38racing
says nothing about defects in material/workmanship.
That being said I had no luck when I calimed to the GM dealer that my
affinity model tires are my malibu were a piece of crap.
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larrymo...@my-deja.com
>
> The warranties are printed on the reverse of every single work
> order at Walmart. Your accusation is simply libelous.
The website was hardly better. All it said was this:
Assembled Country of Origin: USA
Components Country of Origin: USA
Warranty Length: 60,000 miles
Supplier Warranty: 60,000 miles
P.O.'d Pete
Goodyear Tire and Rubber should stop manufacturing Viva car tires, sold exclusively by Wal-Mart stores. These tires cannot be properly balanced and cause vibration of the car and eventually cause the feeling that the car wheels are wobbling as the car travels down the street or highway. These cheap "economy tires" will cause premature wear on expensive steering and front-end suspension parts, not to mention the disconcerting vibration of the car. Three years ago I bought a set of four Goodyear Viva tires at our local Wal-Mart and put a total of 6,000 miles on them (I'm retired). I had Wal-Mart rebalance them twice during this time period. It's been a year since the last rebalancing, and the car "wobbles" down the street so intensely, it just made a lot more sense to replace them, than to balance them "for free" again. I ordered a set of Michelin tires online from Wal-Mart and had them install the tires this week. Wow! What a difference. The car runs smoothly again with no vibration or wobbly feeling. I always regarded "Goodyear" as a rock-solid, fine American manufacturer --- an American institution of yesteryear, as well as an American "icon" and a giant of American industry. I'll never, ever buy any kind of Goodyear tires again, and I advise the public to do the same. Is this what you get when you buy "Made in America"? It's beyond belief that Goodyear and Wal-Mart put so many millions of these horrible, badly made tires on our roads. I'm P.O.'d, big time.
Scott Dorsey
> It's beyond belief that Goodyear and Wal-Mart put so many millions o=
_Everything_ at Wal-Mart is like this. They specialize in cheapened-down
versions of legitimate products. You can buy a TV set that says SONY on the
front and looks like a normal SONY set, but when it breaks down you'll find
it's a special model made only for Wal-Mart, Sony won't sell repair docs
and their normal repair centers won't touch it.
What did you EXPECT for Wal-Mart tires?
--scott
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"P.O.'d Pete" wrote:
Here's the only part of your post that matters...
> Viva car tires, sold exclusively by Wal-Mart stores.
Roger Blake
> _Everything_ at Wal-Mart is like this. They specialize in cheapened-down
> versions of legitimate products.
at Home Depot or Lowes is a "value-engineered" product actually built by
another company under license. (Usually MTD.) Likewise with things like
name-brand water heaters etc. at those stores. They are special cost-cut
versions that you'll be hard-pressed to get parts and service for later.
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Scott Dorsey
>On 2016-03-17, Scott Dorsey <klu...@panix.com> wrote:
>> _Everything_ at Wal-Mart is like this. They specialize in cheapened-down
>> versions of legitimate products.
>
>Other big-box stores do the same thing. That "John Deere" garden tractor
>at Home Depot or Lowes is a "value-engineered" product actually built by
>another company under license. (Usually MTD.) Likewise with things like
>name-brand water heaters etc. at those stores. They are special cost-cut
>versions that you'll be hard-pressed to get parts and service for later.
Andy K
Andy
JR
>>>Ashton Crusher
selling them. I wonder if most of the people who buy them tend to be
people who just drive around on city streets and rarely go over 60 mph
and don't notice the flat spots as much and don't subject the tire to
the heat from high speed driving that makes them fail.
The Real Bev
They see you coming a mile away.
My mom bought "top of the line" Bridgestones at her local Caddy dealer.
When they developed bubbles the dealer wouldn't touch them -- the
shithead said to go to a Bridgestone dealer, who replaced them for free.
They were obsolete at the time she purchased them.
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Jc Maxwell
I had a similar feeling about Primewell, which apparently is a cheap Chinese brand made for Firestone shops. Maybe Primewells aren't as bad as Vivas, who knows.
I almost bought a set of four Primewells due to the attractive price, but then had a sudden onset of good sense.
Instead, I bought a set of four Firestone Affinity Tourings. They were a little less than what I paid for four Michelins at Costco almost 6 years ago. I doubt any Firestone tire is quite as good as a Michelin, but they seem OK so far. They're certainly a massive upgrade from those Primewells.
Brent
been around. It's just more obvious now because the level of cost
reduction has to be all that more severe.
Jc Maxwell
> Except the big stores have been doing this for longer than walmart has
> been around. It's just more obvious now because the level of cost
> reduction has to be all that more severe.
I was a little skeptical of even the Firestones I got, since I was getting them put on at a Firestone shop (we have one here that actually seems to be decent). But they seem to be fine so far. We'll see how the hold up after another 20,000 miles.
Steve W.
tire. I've run Hercules which were low profile for the stated size
(195-75/14 that looked like a 195-60/14). Remington's which wore out in
about 15,000 miles for a tire that was supposed to go 40,000. Had a set
of Coopers that had tread de-lamination in under 20K.
--
Steve W.
>>>Ashton Crusher
NEVER. Going all the way back to their original Radial 721's and
500's. Then had them on my 92 Explorer. Had some on a used car, when
I got rid of the firestones it was like a whole different car in how
it handled. The shop put a set on my work car and they felt like
every tire had multiple flat spots. We had some E-load rated ones on
a Van and with only 5000 miles on them they started blowing out.
>>>Ashton Crusher
tires from Discount and both sets were great for the time I've had
them. I had/have them on cars that don't get driven much so can't say
for the long term but they handle decently and seem to be round and
don't make any funny noises. The last set I got for $50 each out the
door with various incentives.
Scott Dorsey
>
>I've bought two sets of Hanouk (might have misspelled it) low budget
>tires from Discount and both sets were great for the time I've had
>them. I had/have them on cars that don't get driven much so can't say
>for the long term but they handle decently and seem to be round and
>don't make any funny noises. The last set I got for $50 each out the
>door with various incentives.
tires since the fifties. Think of them as the Goodyear of Korea.
They make a wide range of tires from cheap stuff to high end stuff, but
they are in a totally different league from companies that just rebadge junk
and companies that specialize in selling cheapened-down versions of
conventional products.
JR
mjme...@gmail.com
But this time he got his money back and he told them people at Wal-Mart that he not know what kind of scam they are running, and he told them he wouldn't ever be back to shop in there store again..
Now these are not the only people they are doing this to..
Theirs another person that brought that same battery and they are doing the same thing to him and he went to the other Wal-Mart to get the corporate phone number and he called them and they told this man that they don't believe one of their store is doing this to people same as the other man , and now this man is out$114.84 for a 5 year battery that he can't use but he has stop them from doing this to other people for awhile or at least until Wal-Mart get another battery to continue their secret scamming on on people ...
But the worst thing is that, they are getting away with it ..
Scott Dorsey
<mjme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>There was a man about79 to 82 year's old in a wheelchair that brought a bat=
>tery at Wal-Mart in hugo Oklahoma and none of the codes match and the mange=
>r told this man to call this woman name misti and he did, and these to peop=
>le would disappear from the store at the time he was told to call so he wen=
>t to the other store in Texas and he got the corporate phone number and he =
>called them and to this day he has not heard anything back from them and so=
> him and his wife went back Wal-Mart in hugo Oklahoma and, the manager trie=
>d to tell them two old people they changed the bar code stickers on the bat=
mean? Is this some guy who bought a battery from Wal-Mart that doesn't fit
his car and now can't get a refund?
>But this time he got his money back and he told them people at Wal-Mart th=
>at he not know what kind of scam they are running, and he told them he woul=
about customer service. They sell special batteries that are designed to be
as cheap as possible and look like standard commercial batteries but aren't.
>Theirs another person that brought that same battery and they are doing the=
> same thing to him and he went to the other Wal-Mart to get the corporate p=
>hone number and he called them and they told this man that they don't belie=
>ve one of their store is doing this to people same as the other man , and n=
>ow this man is out$114.84 for a 5 year battery that he can't use but he ha=
>s stop them from doing this to other people for awhile or at least until Wa=
>l-Mart get another battery to continue their secret scamming on on people .=
>
>But the worst thing is that, they are getting away with it ..
micky
>
>>But this time he got his money back and he told them people at Wal-Mart th=
>>at he not know what kind of scam they are running, and he told them he woul=
>>dn't ever be back to shop in there store again..
>
>This is Wal-Mart, it's not a high end battery wholesaler. They don't care
>about customer service. They sell special batteries that are designed to be
>as cheap as possible and look like standard commercial batteries but aren't.
I noticed a while back that a roll of Gorilla Tape was 50 cents cheaper
at Home Depot than at Walmart.
But today i was looking for Mopar Automatic Transmission Fluid+4.** I
found few listings for it, but one was in West Chester Pa., not far from
me, for 7 dollars a quart. Walmart had a 3rd party vendor whose location
I could not determine for $12.17 a quart. !!
So my point is that like other stores that emphasize price, once they
convince people that they are cheaper than other places, they don't have
to be cheaper anymore, and sometimes are much more expensive.
Mopar® Part # at
Quadratic: 68218057AA at 7.00
Walmart: .68218057AB, at 12.17 so the B must cost $5.17!!
Amazon: 5013457AA at 11.64
OEM Part Number 05013457AA
Item model number 68218057AA
Manufacturer Part # 68218057AA so it's the same thing too.
I wonder what a Chrysler dealer would charge.
Neither Mopar ad at Quatdratic or Walmart says it's synthetic, like
Pennzoil and Castrol say on the bottle, though Amazon lets you enlarge
the picture of the bottle and see that it does say synthetic.
**Separate question: Is this any better for a Chrysler than Pennzoil or
Castrol, the only two brands other than house brands that I can walk in
and buy at the 3 stores just down the street from me?
Somehow I have the feeling that Castrol isn't really a top-notch brand,
but I can't remember why I think that.
micky
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 10:49:03 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
>> In rec.autos.tech, on 5 Jul 2017 09:05:54 -0400, klu...@panix.com (Scott
>> Dorsey) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >>But this time he got his money back and he told them people at Wal-Mart th=
>> >>at he not know what kind of scam they are running, and he told them he woul=
>> >>dn't ever be back to shop in there store again..
>> >
>> >This is Wal-Mart, it's not a high end battery wholesaler. They don't care
>> >about customer service. They sell special batteries that are designed to be
>> >as cheap as possible and look like standard commercial batteries but aren't.
>>
>> Another interesting thing.
>>
>> I noticed a while back that a roll of Gorilla Tape was 50 cents cheaper
>> at Home Depot than at Walmart.
>
>
>
>>
>> But today i was looking for Mopar Automatic Transmission Fluid+4.** I
>> found few listings for it, but one was in West Chester Pa., not far from
>> me, for 7 dollars a quart. Walmart had a 3rd party vendor whose location
>> I could not determine for $12.17 a quart. !!
>>
>> So my point is that like other stores that emphasize price, once they
>> convince people that they are cheaper than other places, they don't have
>> to be cheaper anymore, and sometimes are much more expensive.
>>
>>
>
Of course they don't say it, but they do things to give that impression.
> And you're confusing Walmart price's for products in their store or from them online, with third party sellers that they list there too.
I'm not confusing anything. I'm reporting; you're confusing.
>> Mopar® Part # at
>> Quadratic: 68218057AA at 7.00
>> Walmart: .68218057AB, at 12.17 so the B must cost $5.17!!
>> Amazon: 5013457AA at 11.64
>> OEM Part Number 05013457AA
>> Item model number 68218057AA
>> Manufacturer Part # 68218057AA so it's the same thing too.
>>
>> I wonder what a Chrysler dealer would charge.
>>
>> Neither Mopar ad at Quatdratic or Walmart says it's synthetic, like
>> Pennzoil and Castrol say on the bottle, though Amazon lets you enlarge
>> the picture of the bottle and see that it does say synthetic.
>>
>>
>>
>> **Separate question: Is this any better for a Chrysler than Pennzoil or
>> Castrol, the only two brands other than house brands that I can walk in
>> and buy at the 3 stores just down the street from me?
>>
>> Somehow I have the feeling that Castrol isn't really a top-notch brand,
>> but I can't remember why I think that.
>
I appreciate your effort but there is meeting the spec and there is
exceeding the spec or excelling in some way not covered by the spec.
And the car is nowwhere near clunker or I wouldn't thave asked.
BurfordTJustice
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Scott Dorsey
>LMAO a blank webpage from Walmart saying it can't be found, looks like you failed.
replying to was posted.
Is the google interface so bad that people don't realize they are replying
to messages that are decades old?
Paul in Houston TX
> In article <83eff820-2be1-4502...@googlegroups.com>,
> <7yrec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> LMAO a blank webpage from Walmart saying it can't be found, looks like you failed.
>
> It possible that webpage existed fourteen years ago when the message you are
> replying to was posted.
>
> Is the google interface so bad that people don't realize they are replying
> to messages that are decades old?
> --scott
weeks ago. That is the oldest I have seen so far.
Still wonder if they are codes for "we attack at dawn" or
"the drug shipment is on the way".
The Real Bev
> In article <83eff820-2be1-4502...@googlegroups.com>,
> <7yrec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>LMAO a blank webpage from Walmart saying it can't be found, looks like you failed.
>
> It possible that webpage existed fourteen years ago when the message you are
> replying to was posted.
>
> Is the google interface so bad that people don't realize they are replying
> to messages that are decades old?
dates. Is it perhaps overkill to assume that the only people who read
usenet via googlegroups are stupid? Based on what I've seen, I think not.
--
Cheers, Bev
Warning -- Driver carries less than $20 worth of ammunition
Wade Garrett
> On 06/28/2020 03:02 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> In article <83eff820-2be1-4502...@googlegroups.com>,
>> <7yrec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> LMAO a blank webpage from Walmart saying it can't be found, looks
>>> like you failed.
>>
>> It possible that webpage existed fourteen years ago when the message
>> you are
>> replying to was posted.
>>
>> Is the google interface so bad that people don't realize they are
>> replying
>> to messages that are decades old?
>
> I think it's more likely that stupid people just don't look at the
> dates. Is it perhaps overkill to assume that the only people who read
> usenet via googlegroups are stupid? Based on what I've seen, I think not.
>
>
and other news websites all the time...showing a story that actually ran
last week, last month or last year either with no date on it or it's
there but in small, light gray mouse print.
Ya' sorta assume that what you're reading is current...
--
Why is it that the people who want more government control over your
life are the same ones who want you to be disarmed?
The Real Bev
> On 6/29/20 12:06 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 06/28/2020 03:02 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> In article <83eff820-2be1-4502...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> <7yrec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> LMAO a blank webpage from Walmart saying it can't be found, looks
>>>> like you failed.
>>>
>>> It possible that webpage existed fourteen years ago when the message
>>> you are
>>> replying to was posted.
>>>
>>> Is the google interface so bad that people don't realize they are
>>> replying
>>> to messages that are decades old?
>>
>> I think it's more likely that stupid people just don't look at the
>> dates. Is it perhaps overkill to assume that the only people who read
>> usenet via googlegroups are stupid? Based on what I've seen, I think not.
>>
> I don't know about the stupidity angle.
willing to assume ignorance rather than stupidity, but that kind of
depends on the post.
> You see that sort of thing on TV
> and other news websites all the time...showing a story that actually ran
> last week, last month or last year either with no date on it or it's
> there but in small, light gray mouse print.
>
> Ya' sorta assume that what you're reading is current...
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Cheers, Bev
"A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person
or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even
possibly incurring losses." -- C.M.Cipolla
Wade Garrett
Some of the newsgroups I follow occasionally have forwards/reposts from
GG. I've wondered if some of them are posted from Forrest Gump sock
puppet accounts!
--
"Stupid is as stupid does."
- Forrest Gump