Does Armour All cause damage to the dash and other plastic parts ?
john doe
damage to the dash and other plastic parts.
I recall one note saying the reason it can cause the dash to crack and split
is that it seals the surface and does not let it "breathe". That sounds odd.
I didn't think plastic used on the dash was porous. I didn't think it did
much breathing.
Is the Armour All taboo similar to the legend about Elvis still being alive
or what?
J Doe
The Cabalist
get at it with some cleaner does not help - the vinyl then looks dried out. So
then it means more Armour All. Perhaps there is another product out there under
a different brand name?
Voodoo
>damage to the dash and other plastic parts.
>I recall one note saying the reason it can cause the dash to crack and
split
>is that it seals the surface and does not let it "breathe". That sounds
odd.
>I didn't think plastic used on the dash was porous. I didn't think it did
>much breathing.
>Is the Armour All taboo similar to the legend about Elvis still being alive
>or what?
Even though Armour All denies it, cars actually get addicted to this stuff.
If you use it on your dashbourd you have to use it continuausly for the life
of the car or the dashboard is going to turn an ugly brown color. I have
used Armour All on my Mustang for 10 years and it looked better when I
traded it in that it did the day I bought it. I did not get a single crack,
the stuff really works, and it does not really seal the surface but it keeps
it oily.
The king will live forever!!!
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99 Trans-Am
Voodoo
>manuals recommend an occasional wipe with a damp towel.
I doubt your dash would last more than a couple of years...
Of course the manual recomends that, they want the car to fall apart so you
buy a new one. The manufacturer makes no money unless you keep buying.
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99 Trans-Am
mach70
Armor-All-type products penetrates the vinyl and forces out (or maybe
just dilutes?) the plasticizer that the mfr. included in the vinyl
recipe to keep it soft. The silicone oil is extremely short-lived &
needs to be replenished often. Have you ever left a piece of rubber
or vinyl laying around in oil for long? Gets pretty mushy.
There seems to also be validity to the argument that Armor All-type
products don't offer protection from UV.
There are products available which both clean and protect vinyl and
cause no harm with long-term use.
Maybe the best advice is to use nothing at all. Most original owner's
manuals recommend an occasional wipe with a damp towel.
On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:36:28 -0500, "john doe"
<redNOS...@iname.com> wrote:
}I've posts in various newsgroups that say Armour All is no good and
causes
}damage to the dash and other plastic parts.
}
}I recall one note saying the reason it can cause the dash to crack
and split
}is that it seals the surface and does not let it "breathe". That
sounds odd.
}I didn't think plastic used on the dash was porous. I didn't think it
did
}much breathing.
}
}Is the Armour All taboo similar to the legend about Elvis still being
alive
}or what?
}
}J Doe
}
}
Clifton T. Sharp Jr.
> Even though Armour All denies it, cars actually get addicted to this stuff.
> If you use it on your dashbourd you have to use it continuausly for the life
> of the car or the dashboard is going to turn an ugly brown color.
The dash on my '84 Grand Marquis was pristine when I got it. A month or
two later it had split itself down the middle, after a series of tiny
cracks in the center speaker grille. I'm told the previous owner probably
used the Armor-All on it... I didn't, and that's why I'm told it cracked.
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Smells like vomit for a few days and was greasy too. Nothing but a
damp towel on my new baby.
John Feiereisen
wrote:
>I've posts in various newsgroups that say Armour All is no good and causes
>damage to the dash and other plastic parts.
>I recall one note saying the reason it can cause the dash to crack and split
>is that it seals the surface and does not let it "breathe". That sounds odd.
>I didn't think plastic used on the dash was porous. I didn't think it did
>much breathing.
>Is the Armour All taboo similar to the legend about Elvis still being alive
>or what?
Anecdotal, I admit: I used to use Armor All on the sidewalls of my
motorcycle tires. Sure made them look nice. But the sidewalls always
developed lots of cracking/crazing within the season. Once I stopped
with the Armor All, the cracking stopped. I haven't used it in years
now.
Some people over on the motorcycle newsgroups seem to have the
impression that materials sort of "get addicted" to Armor All, and
that you have to continue applying it lest the material dries out.
That doesn't sound too far off from my observations.
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One Man
blasted Armor All. Since then, I've been using Formula 2001 on my cars.
Needless to say, the interior is in prestine condition. I've seen the
dashboards of my friends' cars who happen to have the same car as I do (92
Accord) and my dash looks marvelous.
john doe wrote in message ...
>I've posts in various newsgroups that say Armour All is no good and causes
>damage to the dash and other plastic parts.
>
>I recall one note saying the reason it can cause the dash to crack and
split
>is that it seals the surface and does not let it "breathe". That sounds
odd.
>I didn't think plastic used on the dash was porous. I didn't think it did
>much breathing.
>
>Is the Armour All taboo similar to the legend about Elvis still being alive
>or what?
>
>J Doe
>
>
>
Kevin Mouton
> I've posts in various newsgroups that say Armour All is no good and causes
> damage to the dash and other plastic parts.
>
> I recall one note saying the reason it can cause the dash to crack and split
> is that it seals the surface and does not let it "breathe". That sounds odd.
> I didn't think plastic used on the dash was porous. I didn't think it did
> much breathing.
>
> Is the Armour All taboo similar to the legend about Elvis still being alive
> or what?
>
> J Doe
I do not usually make any statements concerning products unless I have personal
experience or a source that I can quote. As far as personal experience goes, I
never used the stuff, but I do remember a Ford TSB that blamed the use of after
market vinyl dressing as the root cause for premature dash panel cracking.
According to their research there was a much more common occurrence of dash
cracking on those vehicles where the owners had used Armorall. I'm sorry that I
cannot remember the TSB number, but if you research Ford TSBs of the early
eighties you will find it.
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tj99
because it's petroleum based - or something like that. Formula 2001, which I
believe is manufactured by Turtle Wax, isn't petroleum based and is supposed to
be safe to use and won't crack or damage vinyl. Memory fails beyond this.
tj99
One Man wrote:
> I saw an article on "Fight Back" with David Horwitz a few years back that
> blasted Armor All. Since then, I've been using Formula 2001 on my cars.
> Needless to say, the interior is in prestine condition. I've seen the
> dashboards of my friends' cars who happen to have the same car as I do (92
> Accord) and my dash looks marvelous.
>
> john doe wrote in message ...
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Mike Phillips
but I can tell you why dashes crack.
It is because they dry out from the inside. Part of the formula for
plastic/vinyl dashes is a "Plasitzier-Oil". This oil keeps the platic/
vinyl flexible. When the dash gets hot it expands, when it gets cold
it contracts.
I imagine the sun shinning through the windshield has
a tendency to bake the dash. The heat from the sun and engine and
heater all working together also heats or cooks the dash.
I would think this working together with "time" dries up these natural
plastisizer oils.
When the oils are no longer present, the platic/vinyl looses it's
ability to shrink and stretch, after a while, something has to give so
it cracks.
As far as Armour-All goes and other products like it... what I was told
while working for Meguiar's was that these types of products are
basically "Sealants" they seal the surface without adding any
benificial replacement oils and at the same time seal or lock the dirt
into the pores at the same time.
I know Meguiar's makes a replacement product for Armour-All type
products but it is not a sealant but a "Conditioner". It also contains
a small percentage of chemical cleaners in it so it cleans the surface
of dirt while replenishing the plastic/vinyl with either plastisizer
oils or some type of oil compatible with plastisizer oils.
I have been using it for at least 10 years on just about every make
and model of car, boat motocylcle, briefcase etc... anything made
with vinyl and have never had any problems whatsoever.
On really dirty stuff I use it real heavy and wipe off all the dirty
residue with a clean cloth and then reapply.
Meguiar's also makes a "Pure" vinyl cleaner that is silicone free and
safe for use in body shops. It really works great for cleaning really
dirty, abused and neglected vinyl interiors. It's part number
is #39 their version of Armour-All is part number #40
Hope this helps
Mike
john doe
> safe for use in body shops.
What is so bad about silicone? I've seen a number of automotive products
which boast about being "silicone free" as if silicone is something one
should avoid at all cost.
In the Haynes repair manual for my van it suggests using silicone lubricant
spray on weather stripping, rubber and vinyl parts, in door locks, etc. Has
it recently been found that silicone is not so good in automotive products
anymore?
J Doe
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Mike Phillips <san...@dnc.net> wrote in message
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Mike Phillips
>
> > Meguiar's also makes a "Pure" vinyl cleaner that is silicone free and
> > safe for use in body shops.
>
> What is so bad about silicone? I've seen a number of automotive products
> which boast about being "silicone free" as if silicone is something one
> should avoid at all cost.
The reason for the non-silicon vinyle cleaner is.....for....
----->Body Shops<-----
Who want to clean vinyl without contaminating their painting
enviroment with silicones which are know to cause paint adhesion
problems....
I don't know if you read all of my post but I mentioned it was
for use in bodyshops.
Other than that... there is a place for silicones... like Wax.
Mike
logyr...@my-deja.com
the stuff. It's absolute poison to vinyl, unless of course you keep
using it...endlessly and in copious quantity.
I ruined my interior with that junk and will never use it again.
In article <7qfipb$lkq$1...@news.gate.net>,
"Voodoo" <chpa...@gate.net> wrote:
> >Maybe the best advice is to use nothing at all. Most original
owner's
> >manuals recommend an occasional wipe with a damp towel.
>
> I doubt your dash would last more than a couple of years...
> Of course the manual recomends that, they want the car to fall apart
so you
> buy a new one. The manufacturer makes no money unless you keep buying.
>
> ------------------
> 99 Trans-Am
>
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protectant, a leading cause of vinyl wear. So it attracts dust (silicone
does) and magnifoes UV rays. The only polus point to armor all is tnhat it
looks shiny...
-akhilesh
rm
>which boast about being "silicone free" as if silicone is something one
>should avoid at all cost.
Two things:
1) I've heard that silicone can stain and discolor car paint.
2) they take the fun out of 'girl watching' since half the time you're
looking at silicone and not 'real woman'.
vinc...@my-deja.com
heard more than one person say it's crap & has ingredients in it that
are bad for / damaging to vinyl, etc...
check out what this detail guy sez...good info, but it makes me tired
just thinking about detailing my car to his specs. he likes STP, No
Touch, or Tire Wet for the interior:
[http://www3.corral.net/tech/maintenance/detail.html]
vince
In article <E9ty3.79$aV....@news1.mco>,
"john doe" <redNOS...@iname.com> wrote:
> I've posts in various newsgroups that say Armour All is no good and
causes
> damage to the dash and other plastic parts.
>
> I recall one note saying the reason it can cause the dash to crack
and split
> is that it seals the surface and does not let it "breathe". That
sounds odd.
> I didn't think plastic used on the dash was porous. I didn't think it
did
> much breathing.
>
> Is the Armour All taboo similar to the legend about Elvis still being
alive
> or what?
>
> J Doe
>
>
Gary Derian
breathes the vapors. I don't know what the mechanism is, though. For body
shops, silicone causes paint defects known as "fish eyes". It is fine to
put on your weather-stripping.
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john doe <redNOS...@iname.com> wrote in message
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> > Meguiar's also makes a "Pure" vinyl cleaner that is silicone free and
> > safe for use in body shops.
>
> What is so bad about silicone? I've seen a number of automotive products
> which boast about being "silicone free" as if silicone is something one
> should avoid at all cost.
>
mach70
makes Lexol conditioner for leather. After bad experiences with Armor
All I had a "NO SILICONE" policy for my cars until I heard about this
stuff about 3 years ago. It contains a silicone-based polymer and
doesn't damage rubber & vinyl the way the emulsion products (which are
basically just silicone, water and an emulsifier which keeps them from
separating) do. I made a skeptical call to the manufacturer and was
convinced to trying it. In the past I had to mail order the stuff
from the mfr. or Eastwood Co. but this summer Pep Boys began carrying
it.
I was told recently that Vinylex's manufacturer holds the patent on UV
inhibitors found in these products, and other companies must license
from them the right to claim UV protection. I can't verify this--2nd
hand info.
Great link to much helpful car care info:
http://www.carcareonline.com/howto_articles.html
On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:36:28 -0500, "john doe"
larrymoencurly
>has no UV protectant, a leading cause of vinyl wear.
Then why did it say on some bottles that it contains more
UV protectant than ever?
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and conditioner. And yeah, PEP boys carries it. Not to mention that the
site is great, and LArry is a big help (though a bit quirky)
-akhilesh
........CHECK IT OUT..........
Akhilesh Bajaj
means more than zero. LOL
i don;t go for crap. If u drive a hyundai, use Armor all.
-akhilesh
........CHECK IT OUT..........
Tom
crack. THIS IS NOT TRUE!!! Protectants can keep
surfaces looking good and protected from the elements
that cause fading and cracking. Surfaces can't become
addicted to protectants, and damage is a result of
neglect. Using a protectant regularly -- especially one
with UV protection -- can help keep your dash looking
great for years.
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BruceB4368
BMW's
Bruce Blackmon
KEV MORRIS
>does) and magnifoes UV rays.
I decided to go to the Armor All web site to see what their side of the story
was. They said:
"Introduced as the world's first protectant in 1972, ARMOR ALL® Protectant has
been used by more than 90 million people in over 75 countries on more than 1
billion tires. With four times more UV blocking ingredients than the number-two
brand, it guards against dashboard cracking and discoloration. "
Is Armor All lying, or do they really have more UV blocking ingredients?
This, plus 12 years of using Armor All on my dashboard and it still looks
great, make me an Armor All believer. It only takes 2 or 3 Armor All
treatments a year. Hardly addictive.
Clifton T. Sharp Jr.
> This, plus 12 years of using Armor All on my dashboard and it still looks
> great, make me an Armor All believer. It only takes 2 or 3 Armor All
> treatments a year. Hardly addictive.
Mm hm. Just don't miss that next treatment. The dash looks better when it's
all in one piece.
KEV MORRIS
>> great, make me an Armor All believer. It only takes 2 or 3 Armor All
>> treatments a year. Hardly addictive.
>
>Mm hm. Just don't miss that next treatment. The dash looks better when it's
>all in one piece.
Oh I've missed a treatment or two. No problem.
Ray J
on the dash.
I've noticed some cars like Berettas ALL have cracked dashboards,
protectant notwithstanding.
Some other cars like my 1970 Buick probably have never been Armouralled
and have no cracks.
I think some cars just have a tendancy to crack the dash.
Thoughts?
Kevin Mouton
Or some cars have dashes that Armor all will harm while others don't.
Marl...@hotmail.com
I bought a 2014 Chrysler 300 yesterday. The salesman told me not to use Armor All as it will crack the dashboard. So is it true? It appears so.
Percival P. Cassidy
> About a year ago, I got a 2006 Buick Terazza, 140,000 miles. It was in good shape, but it needed to be cleaned. I Armor-All'ed the dash, and 2 days later there was a 6 inch vertical crack.
>
> I bought a 2014 Chrysler 300 yesterday. The salesman told me not to use Armor All as it will crack the dashboard. So is it true? It appears so.
surfaces?
I used Armor-All for leather on the dash of our then-brand-new 300M, and
wiped the instrument panel "glass" (actually some kind of plastic) with
the cloth -- and ever since I have had a small "cloudy" patch on that
plastic.
Perce
Andy
> I've posts in various newsgroups that say Armour All is no good and causes
> damage to the dash and other plastic parts.
>
> I recall one note saying the reason it can cause the dash to crack and split
> is that it seals the surface and does not let it "breathe". That sounds odd.
> I didn't think plastic used on the dash was porous. I didn't think it did
> much breathing.
>
> Is the Armour All taboo similar to the legend about Elvis still being alive
> or what?
>
> J Doe
I got tired of having to frequently clean the inside of my windshield.
Andy
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