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Maxmillian
Apr 29, 2023, 7:19:41 PM4/29/23
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In your experience, what percentage of your flat tires have to have the
tire replaced versus just having the flat repaired?
I realize everything is up to chance, but in the last couple of years, my
household has had three flat tires, all due to nails or screws (there is
always some construction going on nearby) where I took the tires to
GoodYear and all three had to be replaced.
One, as I recall, was too close to the shoulder, the other had been driven
on (they said) when they removed the carcass, and just yesterday, the third
they said was worn to a wear bar (as it had uneven wear) but it seemed to
me to be barely above the wear bar at the one wear bar he pointed to as
most of the tread was about two or three mm above the wear bars so he
picked the lowest one at about a millimeter or less above the wear bar).
After waiting two hours in the waiting room, the guy came back and said he
can't repair a dangerous tire, so again, for the third time, I had to buy a
new tire, where it took another hour for them to have the car ready for me.
Given I had to remove the tire anyway to put on the spare, the whole ordeal
took about five hours or so in elapsed time just to fix a basic flat.
Could I have more easily just repaired the tire at home?
I realize everything is up to chance but has it been your experience that
almost all the tires you want to repair, they say can't be repaired?
Then there's the added cost of sales tax of around ten dollars, mounting
and balancing at around fifteen dollars, and the tire valve of five dollars
and the disposal fee of about another five dollars. It all adds up.
I'm wondering if it's worth it to buy a "tire press" or whatever it takes
to change a tire (I have a small portable compressor already) at home.
Anyone repair your own tires at home when you get a flat?
Is it worth the money if you can save a few tires?
tire replaced versus just having the flat repaired?
I realize everything is up to chance, but in the last couple of years, my
household has had three flat tires, all due to nails or screws (there is
always some construction going on nearby) where I took the tires to
GoodYear and all three had to be replaced.
One, as I recall, was too close to the shoulder, the other had been driven
on (they said) when they removed the carcass, and just yesterday, the third
they said was worn to a wear bar (as it had uneven wear) but it seemed to
me to be barely above the wear bar at the one wear bar he pointed to as
most of the tread was about two or three mm above the wear bars so he
picked the lowest one at about a millimeter or less above the wear bar).
After waiting two hours in the waiting room, the guy came back and said he
can't repair a dangerous tire, so again, for the third time, I had to buy a
new tire, where it took another hour for them to have the car ready for me.
Given I had to remove the tire anyway to put on the spare, the whole ordeal
took about five hours or so in elapsed time just to fix a basic flat.
Could I have more easily just repaired the tire at home?
I realize everything is up to chance but has it been your experience that
almost all the tires you want to repair, they say can't be repaired?
Then there's the added cost of sales tax of around ten dollars, mounting
and balancing at around fifteen dollars, and the tire valve of five dollars
and the disposal fee of about another five dollars. It all adds up.
I'm wondering if it's worth it to buy a "tire press" or whatever it takes
to change a tire (I have a small portable compressor already) at home.
Anyone repair your own tires at home when you get a flat?
Is it worth the money if you can save a few tires?
Ed P
Apr 29, 2023, 7:53:09 PM4/29/23
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years until it, like the others, was worn. The last one was bout 6
months ago. Patched inside, re-balanced. Total was $28 and a half hour.
I've heard they no longer plug tires as they don't always hold up as
well as a patch inside.
Good luck with your choice but I cannot justify buying equipment,
especially since the time the tire was plugged I was 600 miles from home.
Maxmillian
Apr 29, 2023, 8:02:23 PM4/29/23
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 19:53:05 -0400, Ed P wrote:
> In recent years I've only had two flats. One was plugged and lasted 4
> years until it, like the others, was worn. The last one was bout 6
> months ago. Patched inside, re-balanced. Total was $28 and a half hour.
I don't normally get flats myself, but I was counting the whole family.
> In recent years I've only had two flats. One was plugged and lasted 4
> years until it, like the others, was worn. The last one was bout 6
> months ago. Patched inside, re-balanced. Total was $28 and a half hour.
It average to something like one flat a year, which, at $28 would be fine
but it's more than four times that when they talk you into a new tire.
I don't think your half hour is even close to the time unless you were able
to drive on the flat tire, as I'd say it takes at least a half hour just to
remove all the crap in the trunk, remove the spare, figure out where the
jack is, put it together, remove the old tire, and throw it back in the
trunk.
Then there's the wait at the tire shop where just waiting on the line could
be half of that half hour. So unless you live across the street from the
GoodYear tire shop, it's almost impossible for it to be a half hour where I
live. The commute alone is an hour.
> I've heard they no longer plug tires as they don't always hold up as
> well as a patch inside.
was blue on the inside end and black on the outside end. He called it a
patchplug as I recall and he definitely removed the tire because he showed
me the inside of the tire.
> Good luck with your choice but I cannot justify buying equipment,
> especially since the time the tire was plugged I was 600 miles from home.
than something like five years or five hundred dollars I'm hoping.
Do they sell a "tire press" for around five or six hundred dollars?
Paul in Houston TX
Apr 29, 2023, 8:13:20 PM4/29/23
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in my car and plug my own. Typical 30 plugs for $10. I also carry two
cans of plug / inflate stuff, but that cannot be used on tires with
sensors. Plugs done by me are 100% successful repairs.
For the tires that get shredded, half the tire missing, etc...
0% successful repairs.
Ed P
Apr 29, 2023, 9:27:41 PM4/29/23
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On 4/29/2023 8:02 PM, Maxmillian wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 19:53:05 -0400, Ed P wrote:
>
>> In recent years I've only had two flats. One was plugged and lasted 4
>> years until it, like the others, was worn. The last one was bout 6
>> months ago. Patched inside, re-balanced. Total was $28 and a half hour.
>
> I don't normally get flats myself, but I was counting the whole family.
> It average to something like one flat a year, which, at $28 would be fine
> but it's more than four times that when they talk you into a new tire.
>
> I don't think your half hour is even close to the time unless you were able
> to drive on the flat tire, as I'd say it takes at least a half hour just to
> remove all the crap in the trunk, remove the spare, figure out where the
> jack is, put it together, remove the old tire, and throw it back in the
> trunk.
>
> Then there's the wait at the tire shop where just waiting on the line could
> be half of that half hour. So unless you live across the street from the
> GoodYear tire shop, it's almost impossible for it to be a half hour where I
> live. The commute alone is an hour.
In the first case, the tire was flat at the hotel we stayed at. My car
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 19:53:05 -0400, Ed P wrote:
>
>> In recent years I've only had two flats. One was plugged and lasted 4
>> years until it, like the others, was worn. The last one was bout 6
>> months ago. Patched inside, re-balanced. Total was $28 and a half hour.
>
> I don't normally get flats myself, but I was counting the whole family.
> It average to something like one flat a year, which, at $28 would be fine
> but it's more than four times that when they talk you into a new tire.
>
> I don't think your half hour is even close to the time unless you were able
> to drive on the flat tire, as I'd say it takes at least a half hour just to
> remove all the crap in the trunk, remove the spare, figure out where the
> jack is, put it together, remove the old tire, and throw it back in the
> trunk.
>
> Then there's the wait at the tire shop where just waiting on the line could
> be half of that half hour. So unless you live across the street from the
> GoodYear tire shop, it's almost impossible for it to be a half hour where I
> live. The commute alone is an hour.
came with 5 years roadside assistance so I called. Half hour wait.
Trunk was loaded. Rather that change it, I had him pump up the tire and
I drove it a mile to a shop and it was plugged.
The other was leaking. Stopped at the tire shop 2 miles from me and
made an appointment for the next morning. Few pounds low, but driveable.
From your description, glad I don't live where you live. Never had
much of a wait at a tire shop over the years.
rbowman
Apr 29, 2023, 11:47:50 PM4/29/23
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 23:19:38 -0000 (UTC), Maxmillian wrote:
> I'm wondering if it's worth it to buy a "tire press" or whatever it
> takes to change a tire (I have a small portable compressor already) at
> home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv-YV-NFu_I
> I'm wondering if it's worth it to buy a "tire press" or whatever it
> takes to change a tire (I have a small portable compressor already) at
> home.
With Harbor Freight, YMMV. Obviously he has it lagged to the floor. One
problem you may encounter is getting the beads to seat. You may need more
volume than a small compressor can provide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO-adEhJxFs
That's the third world approach. Using a ratchet strap around the
circumference to spread the beads sometimes works. Others use a bicycle
tube to fill the gap. Then there is the bead blaster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB95Eym98vs
That's an excellent video because that's how it usually goes as the sun
sinks into the west. Breaking the bead isn't always like the first video
either. When cars had bumper jacks, the scheme was to put the floor plate
on the tire and jack away. The only time I tried that method I jacked up a
'51 Chevy; the bead didn't go anywhere.
I have a bike with tube tires that I change and that can be a royal pain
in the ass to get the bead to seat even with a tube. I don't do tubeless.
Life is too short.
>
> Anyone repair your own tires at home when you get a flat?
> Is it worth the money if you can save a few tires?
problem. One bike tire had an ugly gash and I was hoping for the plug to
hold long enough to get home. It seemed to be holding so I continued to
ride. It did start leaking a little when the tread was almost gone and I
replaced the tire.
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 12:21:58 AM4/30/23
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On 4/29/2023 7:19 PM, Maxmillian wrote:
$20 to patch a nail puncture than trying to buy a machine to do it myself.
I had a slow leak in one of my tires for many years. Recently I bought a
can of tire sealant to pump into the tire. It worked. No more slow leak.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Slime-Thru-Core-Emergency-Flat-Tire-Sealant-60186/807544377
micky
Apr 30, 2023, 12:28:03 AM4/30/23
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In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 29 Apr 2023 23:19:38 -0000 (UTC), Maxmillian
city with glass and nails on the street (although not every flat was in
the city.)
I fixed quite a few flats myself, first with plugs and later with
"strings" They sell them at any auto parts store. They also selll
them with a tool to insert the string, but when I'm depressed, I cheer
myself up by buying a new tool, so I bought a better insert tool. That
seems to be the best way to stop havign flats, spend $3 on the better
tool.
On one and only one occasions in the last 50 years, I've been able to
inflate a tire with Fix-a-Flat and drive on it without losing much
pressure at least until I got home -- without removign whatever made the
leak. But other times, the air went out almost as fast as it went in.
Nonetheless, I still carry it. One can is not enough because if you
need it and use it, you have no more for the next flat. Two cans is not
enough, because if you use one can, you only have one can left and I
just determined that one can is not enough. So I usually have 3 cans.
That also prevents having flats in the first place.
Now I carry an ectric tire pump but when I didn't, afte4r I patched it
myself, one can of Fix-a-Flat would put in enough air to drive to
somewhere there was an air pump.
>I realize everything is up to chance but has it been your experience that
>almost all the tires you want to repair, they say can't be repaired?
Once someoen even repaired a hole in a sidewall for me. I don't think
they are lying when they say y ou can't do this, but somehow he did.
At a shop I expect them to take the tire off the rim and patch it on the
inside, and he did that to a sidewall. AIUI, removing the tire and using
a patch is better, but it's so much extra work and couldn't be much
better since strings work fine except in sidewalls.
But I saw shops where all they do is put in strings, which btw doesn't
require taking off the tire, and if they're going to just do that, I
can do that as well as they can. Once the tire is off the car and the
leak is found, inserting a string takes 5 minutes or less.
In one case, I removed the nail and patched the tire without even taking
the tire off the car.
>Then there's the added cost of sales tax of around ten dollars, mounting
>and balancing at around fifteen dollars, and the tire valve of five dollars
>and the disposal fee of about another five dollars. It all adds up.
>
>I'm wondering if it's worth it to buy a "tire press" or whatever it takes
>to change a tire (I have a small portable compressor already) at home.
>
>Anyone repair your own tires at home when you get a flat?
>Is it worth the money if you can save a few tires?
I thought so, not just the cost of the tire but the time and effort like
you say.
I doubt you will find a place like Baltimore has, but ... Back in 1970,
when someone borrowed my car and wrecked it, he bent the frame and one
tire kept wearing out sooner than it should, so I started buying used
tires for it. Maybe logically that reason is not a good one. And if
you drive 20,000 miles a year maybe it's not worth it
But I continued it and in Baltimore there is one place that always has
the size I need, and it takes under 10 minutes start to finish to buy a
tire or two. (I've never bought mroe than 2 at one time.)
They have space for two cars inside the shop but if they run out of
space, guys some out to the sidewalk and the street. They know why
people are there, so they don't need to waste more than a few seconds
talking. If you need two, two guys jack up two corners, they take off
the wheels and give them to someone else who takes off the tires, Then
they go in the back to find the tires, give them to that rim guy who
mounts the new tires and igves them to another guy who bubble tests
them, then to another one who balances them, dynamically, who gives them
back to the two guys (or maybe two other guys) who put the tires back
on. While they do all that, I'm going into the office to pay, a middle
aged woman.
All this takes under 10 minutes, once only 5, but once it took 13
minutes counting waiting. It's a 20 minute drive from here but I enjoy
the drive.
They work on up to 6 cars at once, 12 or 14 guys at busy times. They've
all been nice guys. All they sell are used tires. Well it says they
sell new tires too, but they assume I'm there for used tires. If they
ever didn't have my size, I guess they'd sell me new. it's been 5
years since I bought a tire, but I think prices were 15 to 50 depending
on how much tread is left, and the size of the tire. My tires are not
especially big and I don't think they've ever asked for more than 35.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=dana%27s+tires I'm
surprised it's only 4.4 stars on 373 reviews. A good friend found them
separately from me and never bought tires anywhere else
Many used tires look pretty good, except maybe the 10 dollar tires
(which I've never looked at) with more than half the tread left, mmany
(most?) from accidents where the car is totalled and the tires might be
like new.
It used to be some new-car buyers would have the original tires replaced
with better ones and the ones removed were sold as used, but I don't
know if that still happens. CAn't imagine it's many.
They don't use plugs anymore aiui. Plugs require rubber cement be
applied. Strings dont, plus I think they go better in small holes.
I only use strings. This kit has more than you need, but I have not yet
found a smaller kit.
https://www.amazon.com/Vehiclex-Compact-Repair-Supplies-Punctures/dp/B091CLPZJ7/ref=sr_1_3_sspa
You don't need the patch, or the razor and you probably have a tire
gauge. It makes sense to have a tire valve tool and a spare valve but
I've never needed one.
This is more like it
https://www.amazon.com/T-Handle-String-Compact-Professional-Repair/dp/B093BWHD5P/ref=sr_1_19_sspa
20 strings, a lifetime supply. I don't konw about those angled tools,
but maybe they're better.
<m...@max.is.invalid> wrote:
>In your experience, what percentage of your flat tires have to have the
>tire replaced versus just having the flat repaired?
>
>I realize everything is up to chance, but in the last couple of years, my
>household has had three flat tires, all due to nails or screws (there is
>always some construction going on nearby) where I took the tires to
>GoodYear and all three had to be replaced.
>
>One, as I recall, was too close to the shoulder, the other had been driven
>on (they said) when they removed the carcass, and just yesterday, the third
>they said was worn to a wear bar (as it had uneven wear) but it seemed to
>me to be barely above the wear bar at the one wear bar he pointed to as
>most of the tread was about two or three mm above the wear bars so he
>picked the lowest one at about a millimeter or less above the wear bar).
>
>After waiting two hours in the waiting room, the guy came back and said he
>can't repair a dangerous tire, so again, for the third time, I had to buy a
>new tire, where it took another hour for them to have the car ready for me.
>
>Given I had to remove the tire anyway to put on the spare, the whole ordeal
>took about five hours or so in elapsed time just to fix a basic flat.
>
>Could I have more easily just repaired the tire at home?
Years ago I used to get quite a few flats. Maybe because I lived in a
>In your experience, what percentage of your flat tires have to have the
>tire replaced versus just having the flat repaired?
>
>I realize everything is up to chance, but in the last couple of years, my
>household has had three flat tires, all due to nails or screws (there is
>always some construction going on nearby) where I took the tires to
>GoodYear and all three had to be replaced.
>
>One, as I recall, was too close to the shoulder, the other had been driven
>on (they said) when they removed the carcass, and just yesterday, the third
>they said was worn to a wear bar (as it had uneven wear) but it seemed to
>me to be barely above the wear bar at the one wear bar he pointed to as
>most of the tread was about two or three mm above the wear bars so he
>picked the lowest one at about a millimeter or less above the wear bar).
>
>After waiting two hours in the waiting room, the guy came back and said he
>can't repair a dangerous tire, so again, for the third time, I had to buy a
>new tire, where it took another hour for them to have the car ready for me.
>
>Given I had to remove the tire anyway to put on the spare, the whole ordeal
>took about five hours or so in elapsed time just to fix a basic flat.
>
>Could I have more easily just repaired the tire at home?
city with glass and nails on the street (although not every flat was in
the city.)
I fixed quite a few flats myself, first with plugs and later with
"strings" They sell them at any auto parts store. They also selll
them with a tool to insert the string, but when I'm depressed, I cheer
myself up by buying a new tool, so I bought a better insert tool. That
seems to be the best way to stop havign flats, spend $3 on the better
tool.
On one and only one occasions in the last 50 years, I've been able to
inflate a tire with Fix-a-Flat and drive on it without losing much
pressure at least until I got home -- without removign whatever made the
leak. But other times, the air went out almost as fast as it went in.
Nonetheless, I still carry it. One can is not enough because if you
need it and use it, you have no more for the next flat. Two cans is not
enough, because if you use one can, you only have one can left and I
just determined that one can is not enough. So I usually have 3 cans.
That also prevents having flats in the first place.
Now I carry an ectric tire pump but when I didn't, afte4r I patched it
myself, one can of Fix-a-Flat would put in enough air to drive to
somewhere there was an air pump.
>I realize everything is up to chance but has it been your experience that
>almost all the tires you want to repair, they say can't be repaired?
they are lying when they say y ou can't do this, but somehow he did.
At a shop I expect them to take the tire off the rim and patch it on the
inside, and he did that to a sidewall. AIUI, removing the tire and using
a patch is better, but it's so much extra work and couldn't be much
better since strings work fine except in sidewalls.
But I saw shops where all they do is put in strings, which btw doesn't
require taking off the tire, and if they're going to just do that, I
can do that as well as they can. Once the tire is off the car and the
leak is found, inserting a string takes 5 minutes or less.
In one case, I removed the nail and patched the tire without even taking
the tire off the car.
>Then there's the added cost of sales tax of around ten dollars, mounting
>and balancing at around fifteen dollars, and the tire valve of five dollars
>and the disposal fee of about another five dollars. It all adds up.
>
>I'm wondering if it's worth it to buy a "tire press" or whatever it takes
>to change a tire (I have a small portable compressor already) at home.
>
>Anyone repair your own tires at home when you get a flat?
>Is it worth the money if you can save a few tires?
you say.
I doubt you will find a place like Baltimore has, but ... Back in 1970,
when someone borrowed my car and wrecked it, he bent the frame and one
tire kept wearing out sooner than it should, so I started buying used
tires for it. Maybe logically that reason is not a good one. And if
you drive 20,000 miles a year maybe it's not worth it
But I continued it and in Baltimore there is one place that always has
the size I need, and it takes under 10 minutes start to finish to buy a
tire or two. (I've never bought mroe than 2 at one time.)
They have space for two cars inside the shop but if they run out of
space, guys some out to the sidewalk and the street. They know why
people are there, so they don't need to waste more than a few seconds
talking. If you need two, two guys jack up two corners, they take off
the wheels and give them to someone else who takes off the tires, Then
they go in the back to find the tires, give them to that rim guy who
mounts the new tires and igves them to another guy who bubble tests
them, then to another one who balances them, dynamically, who gives them
back to the two guys (or maybe two other guys) who put the tires back
on. While they do all that, I'm going into the office to pay, a middle
aged woman.
All this takes under 10 minutes, once only 5, but once it took 13
minutes counting waiting. It's a 20 minute drive from here but I enjoy
the drive.
They work on up to 6 cars at once, 12 or 14 guys at busy times. They've
all been nice guys. All they sell are used tires. Well it says they
sell new tires too, but they assume I'm there for used tires. If they
ever didn't have my size, I guess they'd sell me new. it's been 5
years since I bought a tire, but I think prices were 15 to 50 depending
on how much tread is left, and the size of the tire. My tires are not
especially big and I don't think they've ever asked for more than 35.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=dana%27s+tires I'm
surprised it's only 4.4 stars on 373 reviews. A good friend found them
separately from me and never bought tires anywhere else
Many used tires look pretty good, except maybe the 10 dollar tires
(which I've never looked at) with more than half the tread left, mmany
(most?) from accidents where the car is totalled and the tires might be
like new.
It used to be some new-car buyers would have the original tires replaced
with better ones and the ones removed were sold as used, but I don't
know if that still happens. CAn't imagine it's many.
They don't use plugs anymore aiui. Plugs require rubber cement be
applied. Strings dont, plus I think they go better in small holes.
I only use strings. This kit has more than you need, but I have not yet
found a smaller kit.
https://www.amazon.com/Vehiclex-Compact-Repair-Supplies-Punctures/dp/B091CLPZJ7/ref=sr_1_3_sspa
You don't need the patch, or the razor and you probably have a tire
gauge. It makes sense to have a tire valve tool and a spare valve but
I've never needed one.
This is more like it
https://www.amazon.com/T-Handle-String-Compact-Professional-Repair/dp/B093BWHD5P/ref=sr_1_19_sspa
20 strings, a lifetime supply. I don't konw about those angled tools,
but maybe they're better.
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 12:37:11 AM4/30/23
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https://www.amazon.ca/Slime-60184-Thru-Core-Tire-Sealant/dp/B07NVZQQ2N
rbowman
Apr 30, 2023, 2:06:39 AM4/30/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 00:21:36 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> I had a slow leak in one of my tires for many years. Recently I bought a
> can of tire sealant to pump into the tire. It worked. No more slow leak.
They'll love you the next time you buy a tire.
> I had a slow leak in one of my tires for many years. Recently I bought a
> can of tire sealant to pump into the tire. It worked. No more slow leak.
Peeler
Apr 30, 2023, 3:21:09 AM4/30/23
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On 30 Apr 2023 03:47:45 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
And now comes the most important part! MORE details from the exciting life
of the self-admiring senile drama queen and bigmouth:
> I have a bike with tube tires that I change and that can be a royal pain
> in the ass to get the bead to seat even with a tube. I don't do tubeless.
> Life is too short.
>
>>
>> Anyone repair your own tires at home when you get a flat?
>> Is it worth the money if you can save a few tires?
>
> As others have said I've used plugs in car and motorcycle tires with no
> problem. One bike tire had an ugly gash and I was hoping for the plug to
> hold long enough to get home. It seemed to be holding so I continued to
> ride. It did start leaking a little when the tread was almost gone and I
> replaced the tire.
It's not about the "tyres" really. It's about YOU and your fascinating,
grand personality, as always, Trumptard! LMAO
--
Self-admiring lowbrowwoman telling everyone yet another "thrilling" story
about her great life:
"In a role reversal my mother taught her father to drive. She was in the
back seat when he took his first test, trying a little telepathy: "release
the handbrake. release the handbrake'. He didn't, stalled the engine and
failed. The next time went better."
MID: <kafp0u...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
And now comes the most important part! MORE details from the exciting life
of the self-admiring senile drama queen and bigmouth:
> I have a bike with tube tires that I change and that can be a royal pain
> in the ass to get the bead to seat even with a tube. I don't do tubeless.
> Life is too short.
>
>>
>> Anyone repair your own tires at home when you get a flat?
>> Is it worth the money if you can save a few tires?
>
> As others have said I've used plugs in car and motorcycle tires with no
> problem. One bike tire had an ugly gash and I was hoping for the plug to
> hold long enough to get home. It seemed to be holding so I continued to
> ride. It did start leaking a little when the tread was almost gone and I
> replaced the tire.
grand personality, as always, Trumptard! LMAO
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Peeler
Apr 30, 2023, 3:22:52 AM4/30/23
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On 30 Apr 2023 06:06:34 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
--
More typical idiotic senile gossip by lowbrowwoman:
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> They'll love you the next time you buy a tire.
Not as much as you LOVE your big gob.
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😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 7:05:59 AM4/30/23
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water before it hardens. I guess it works like some water-based glue. It
will harden to seal the leak but remain liquid inside the tire. It is
recommended by the manufacturer to have the tire professionally patched
within 3 days (I guess it is the company protecting against lawsuits). I
read many customer comments that it stopped their slow leak. That kind
of slow leak might be in the rim area, nothing to do with nail puncture.
AMuzi
Apr 30, 2023, 9:49:47 AM4/30/23
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Losing a tire at speed is quite an exciting adventure which
I hope you never experience and that makes tire repair guys
err on the conservative side of evaluation.
Some tires can be safely and effectively plugged. Some
cannot. There's judgement involved in that decision based on
similar prior experience.
Finally, tires are getting more flat-prone in an attempt to
'Save The Earth' or whatever. Thinner, lighter than twenty
years ago.
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AMuzi
Apr 30, 2023, 10:06:04 AM4/30/23
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On 4/30/2023 6:05 AM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> On 4/30/2023 2:06 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On 4/30/2023 2:06 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 00:21:36 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe
>> ✅ wrote:
>>
>>> I had a slow leak in one of my tires for many years.
>>> Recently I bought a
>>> can of tire sealant to pump into the tire. It worked. No
>>> more slow leak.
>> They'll love you the next time you buy a tire.
>
>
> I read the description. It is water based, so it can be
> washed off with water before it hardens. I guess it works
> like some water-based glue. It will harden to seal the leak
> but remain liquid inside the tire. It is recommended by the
> manufacturer to have the tire professionally patched within
> 3 days (I guess it is the company protecting against
> lawsuits). I read many customer comments that it stopped
> their slow leak. That kind of slow leak might be in the rim
> area, nothing to do with nail puncture.
>
>
>
It's a latex emulsion. Clean up with soapy water.
>> ✅ wrote:
>>
>>> I had a slow leak in one of my tires for many years.
>>> Recently I bought a
>>> can of tire sealant to pump into the tire. It worked. No
>>> more slow leak.
>> They'll love you the next time you buy a tire.
>
>
> I read the description. It is water based, so it can be
> washed off with water before it hardens. I guess it works
> like some water-based glue. It will harden to seal the leak
> but remain liquid inside the tire. It is recommended by the
> manufacturer to have the tire professionally patched within
> 3 days (I guess it is the company protecting against
> lawsuits). I read many customer comments that it stopped
> their slow leak. That kind of slow leak might be in the rim
> area, nothing to do with nail puncture.
>
>
>
Ralph Mowery
Apr 30, 2023, 10:21:20 AM4/30/23
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In article <u2k8m9$29s93$1...@news.samoylyk.net>, m...@max.is.invalid
says...
from there. I think they will repair all your tires if you have one set
of tires from there. They also rotate them for free.
says...
>
> After waiting two hours in the waiting room, the guy came back and said he
> can't repair a dangerous tire, so again, for the third time, I had to buy a
> new tire, where it took another hour for them to have the car ready for me.
>
> Given I had to remove the tire anyway to put on the spare, the whole ordeal
> took about five hours or so in elapsed time just to fix a basic flat.
>
> Could I have more easily just repaired the tire at home?
>
> I realize everything is up to chance but has it been your experience that
> almost all the tires you want to repair, they say can't be repaired?
>
>
>
I buy my tires at Discount Tires. They repair tires for free if bought
> After waiting two hours in the waiting room, the guy came back and said he
> can't repair a dangerous tire, so again, for the third time, I had to buy a
> new tire, where it took another hour for them to have the car ready for me.
>
> Given I had to remove the tire anyway to put on the spare, the whole ordeal
> took about five hours or so in elapsed time just to fix a basic flat.
>
> Could I have more easily just repaired the tire at home?
>
> I realize everything is up to chance but has it been your experience that
> almost all the tires you want to repair, they say can't be repaired?
>
>
>
from there. I think they will repair all your tires if you have one set
of tires from there. They also rotate them for free.
Scott Dorsey
Apr 30, 2023, 10:37:51 AM4/30/23
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<@.> wrote:
>On 4/30/2023 2:06 AM, rbowman wrote:
>On 4/30/2023 2:06 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 00:21:36 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>> I had a slow leak in one of my tires for many years. Recently I bought a
>>> can of tire sealant to pump into the tire. It worked. No more slow leak.
>> They'll love you the next time you buy a tire.
>
>I read the description. It is water based, so it can be washed off with
>water before it hardens. I guess it works like some water-based glue. It
>will harden to seal the leak but remain liquid inside the tire. It is
>recommended by the manufacturer to have the tire professionally patched
>within 3 days (I guess it is the company protecting against lawsuits). I
>read many customer comments that it stopped their slow leak. That kind
>of slow leak might be in the rim area, nothing to do with nail puncture.
It is water based, and it turns to a solid lump on contact with air. So
>>
>>> I had a slow leak in one of my tires for many years. Recently I bought a
>>> can of tire sealant to pump into the tire. It worked. No more slow leak.
>> They'll love you the next time you buy a tire.
>
>I read the description. It is water based, so it can be washed off with
>water before it hardens. I guess it works like some water-based glue. It
>will harden to seal the leak but remain liquid inside the tire. It is
>recommended by the manufacturer to have the tire professionally patched
>within 3 days (I guess it is the company protecting against lawsuits). I
>read many customer comments that it stopped their slow leak. That kind
>of slow leak might be in the rim area, nothing to do with nail puncture.
the part that is in contact with the leak solidifies very quickly... and
then the rest of it solidifies into crap splattered all over the inside
of the tire and rim after a while... which is why they tell you to clean
it out and have it patched within a couple days.
But the real reason why tire guys hate the stuff is that the propellant
is explosive and can ignite if a spark occurs. So warn them about it so
they can be careful about breaking the bead.
--scott
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Gronk
Apr 30, 2023, 11:07:12 AM4/30/23
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Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> My neighbourhood small garage can patch my tire and then balance it
> again for $20.
I think the OP's insinuation is he can patch a tire that they won't patch.
That's his choice to make. We all make choices that pros won't make for us.
Each tire he "saves" (which is his personal choice to do) nets him $100 (or
whatever) plus the $20 plus he saves what he calls elapsed time doing it.
> $500 for the machine will be the cost of having 25 tires
> fixed by a professional,
Did you take into account that tires need to be replaced every few years?
I don't know how many cars are in the guy's household, but for easy math,
assume 4 cars & 4 years per tire, that's a hundred more dollars a year.
> I don't think I will
> ever need to fix 25 tires in my lifetime.
The benefit of doing repairs at home are why people do repairs at home.
Those who will never repair things at home will never see the benefit.
> and you still need to factor in the cost of the
> patches and glue if you do it yourself at home.
There's no way you can't get patches and stems and weights for less than
the professionals are going to charge you for the lower quality items.
I've noticed people who have never done something are always the ones
saying that it can't be done. We need to ask someone who has done it.
Whoever posted those videos shows that it can easily be done at home.
> My neighbourhood small garage can patch my tire and then balance it
> again for $20.
I think the OP's insinuation is he can patch a tire that they won't patch.
That's his choice to make. We all make choices that pros won't make for us.
Each tire he "saves" (which is his personal choice to do) nets him $100 (or
whatever) plus the $20 plus he saves what he calls elapsed time doing it.
> $500 for the machine will be the cost of having 25 tires
> fixed by a professional,
Did you take into account that tires need to be replaced every few years?
I don't know how many cars are in the guy's household, but for easy math,
assume 4 cars & 4 years per tire, that's a hundred more dollars a year.
> I don't think I will
> ever need to fix 25 tires in my lifetime.
The benefit of doing repairs at home are why people do repairs at home.
Those who will never repair things at home will never see the benefit.
> and you still need to factor in the cost of the
> patches and glue if you do it yourself at home.
There's no way you can't get patches and stems and weights for less than
the professionals are going to charge you for the lower quality items.
I've noticed people who have never done something are always the ones
saying that it can't be done. We need to ask someone who has done it.
Whoever posted those videos shows that it can easily be done at home.
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 11:13:14 AM4/30/23
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enough to use explosive gas as propellant in their aerosol tire sealant
products. The gas will remain inside the tire, unlike hairspray or
insecticide that will immediately dissipated into the atmosphere.
According to this "tire sealer and inflator" patent application, they
use CFC (a popular refrigerant gas) as propellant.
https://patents.justia.com/patent/4501825
A novel tire sealant and inflator composition comprising a resin, a
latex sealant, alkylene glycol, fibers, an alkanolamine, a foaming
agent, and water. The composition is packaged in aerosol cans with a
chlorofluorocarbon propellant/inflator and used to seal and inflate
punctured tires. The composition is applied to the punctured tire
through the valve stem, and acts to seal the puncture and inflate the
tire sufficiently to support the weight of the car.
John Robertson
Apr 30, 2023, 11:25:25 AM4/30/23
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On 2023/04/30 8:5 am, AMuzi wrote:
>> I read the description. It is water based, so it can be
>> washed off with water before it hardens. I guess it works
>> like some water-based glue. It will harden to seal the leak
>> but remain liquid inside the tire. It is recommended by the
>> manufacturer to have the tire professionally patched within
>> 3 days (I guess it is the company protecting against
>> lawsuits). I read many customer comments that it stopped
>> their slow leak. That kind of slow leak might be in the rim
>> area, nothing to do with nail puncture.
>>
>>
>>
>
> It's a latex emulsion. Clean up with soapy water.
I have in my trunk tucked inside the spare tire which is flipped upside
>> I read the description. It is water based, so it can be
>> washed off with water before it hardens. I guess it works
>> like some water-based glue. It will harden to seal the leak
>> but remain liquid inside the tire. It is recommended by the
>> manufacturer to have the tire professionally patched within
>> 3 days (I guess it is the company protecting against
>> lawsuits). I read many customer comments that it stopped
>> their slow leak. That kind of slow leak might be in the rim
>> area, nothing to do with nail puncture.
>>
>>
>>
>
> It's a latex emulsion. Clean up with soapy water.
down so that the wheel rim forms a round well an emergency flat tire kit.
There are foldable chocks, two blinking multi-color LED lights with the
batteries in a ziplock bag outside the device (I gave up on leaving
batteries in the device after ruining a half dozen mag lights - remember
them?). Also I gave up on flares (they always made a crumbly yellow mess
over time) & triangles (which work fine until the wind blows them away),
a cigarette lighter air pump, and a tire repair multi-plug fixit kit.
The fixit kit contains an awl and an open-ended insertion tool, glue, a
thin sharp knife, which is important for shearing off the ends.
While the kit comes with four or five four inch long plugs, the reality is
once it's opened to the air the kit is ruined - so it's a one-time use kit.
I guess the green goopy stuff could be a useful addition, but notice above
the things I've discontinued because they don't really work when you need
them a few years AFTER you've put them in the temperature cycled trunk.
I suspect that after sitting in a hot trunk for a couple of years, the
pressure would be gone from the can of green goopy stuff.
Of course, the answer is replace it every year, but who does that?
Most people who say they do that, are lying because most people don't.
Just like many people say they change the oil every 3K miles, they don't.
And while many say they rotate tires every 3K miles, most don't.
My reason for bringing that up is few of us will even look into that
emergency kit after putting it there - until we need it on the road.
When you're on the side of the road, covered in mud splashed over you on
purpose by truckers (yes, I've been there) on a slope, in the rain, at
night, and you're patching a tire - that's when you put those flimsy
foldable triangles down on the road with those weights, and then you
instantly watch them blow across the road when the next trucker splashes
you (and yes, I've been there). Same with flares. Same with corroded
batteries left inside the device.
If it goes in the trunk, it better be designed to last for years in
hot/cold cycles like you can't believe.
I bring this up because the green goop is not likely to have survived.
I know the counter is people will "say" they replace it every year.
I won't.
I'll leave it in the trunk.
I suspect by the time I really need it, I can't rely on it working.
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John Robertson
Apr 30, 2023, 11:45:12 AM4/30/23
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On 2023/04/30 2:37 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> But the real reason why tire guys hate the stuff is that the propellant
> is explosive and can ignite if a spark occurs.
Do you bullshit on purpose because you want to sound like you know
> But the real reason why tire guys hate the stuff is that the propellant
> is explosive and can ignite if a spark occurs.
something? Or do you actually believe the bullshit that you just said?
Maybe I need to simplify that for you.
Are you a liar?
Or are you just stupid?
No need to respond.
I'm just telling you that you shouldn't be saying the bullshit that you do.
Gronk
Apr 30, 2023, 11:52:05 AM4/30/23
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Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>> https://www.harborfreight.com/search?q=tire%20machine
>
> Thanks for the link, but it's a lot of work taking the tire off the car,
> prying it open, patching the puncture, and then putting the tire back
> together and onto the car (minus the balancing). I haven't encountered
> enough tire punctures in my life to justify saving that once in a blue
> moon $20 expense to get someone else to fix it for me.
If the tire changing machine at HF costs $100 then it pays for itself the
first time you need to replace 4 tires on your vehicle (at $25 per tire).
The ability to repair your tires at home is just an added convenience.
>> https://www.harborfreight.com/search?q=tire%20machine
>
> Thanks for the link, but it's a lot of work taking the tire off the car,
> prying it open, patching the puncture, and then putting the tire back
> together and onto the car (minus the balancing). I haven't encountered
> enough tire punctures in my life to justify saving that once in a blue
> moon $20 expense to get someone else to fix it for me.
If the tire changing machine at HF costs $100 then it pays for itself the
first time you need to replace 4 tires on your vehicle (at $25 per tire).
The ability to repair your tires at home is just an added convenience.
Bob F
Apr 30, 2023, 11:59:56 AM4/30/23
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have a place to store a fixit kit.
Unfortunately, my AWD Sienna does not have a space for a spare tire, so
it just gets stashed in the back if I carry one.
Maxmillian
Apr 30, 2023, 12:04:05 PM4/30/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 06:33:25 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote:
> I suggest looking for a local small shop on the cheaper side of town that does
> tires. I think you're more likely to have them be willing to do a repair versus the
> large chain shops, etc. that are going to be overly cautious and wanting to sell
> new tires.
What I mostly hated was all the waiting, and driving, and traffic, and
disappointment being told in the end that they mainly wanted to sell new
tires. Worse, they didn't have the same tread pattern but that didn't
bother them. I don't know if it matters but I know it "could" matter
sometimes if the tread pattern makes a difference (which you won't know
until it's too late).
If I had the tire press, I would just do it my self and take the risk of my
efforts, which is why I'm asking here on a repair & automotive tech group.
> I haven't had a lot of tires that had problems over the years, but I'd
> guess that it was about 25% could not be plugged, 75% could. It also depends on
> what you're going to use the tire for. If it's going to be the spare, only get used
> temporarily or never, I would be less concerned about the repair. All the ones
> that I plugged lasted the life of the tire.
Thank you for answering the question as faithfully as you could.
Nobody else even tried to answer the question before saying what they'd do.
It seems reasonable that 1/4 of the tires that are flat "shouldn't" be
repaired if people follow the rules rigidly (which tires shops will do).
For one, I would think most tires are "driven on" for some distance after
they're flat, either because it's a slow leak or the driver needs to get
off the road to a safe place before changing over to the spare tire.
It would be good to know how long a flat tire can be driven on before it's
ruined. Is it 100 feet? 1 mile? More? Less? I don't know. Any idea?
Also we've all had nails/screws that are close to the edge, where I don't
know exactly where 'too close' might be, but I'm sure a shop will be more
conservative on that than I am for my own car (although for my wife & kids'
cars, I'd tend to be more conservative than I am on my own vehicles).
Along the same vein, glass and metal shards are problematic due to their
shape, where the question would be at what point is the slice too big.
There is also the case of multiple repairs in a tire, or a repair that is
too close to a pre-existing repair, which tire shops must have rules on.
And of course, there might be age-of-tire restrictions (anything over 3
years, for example) or wear-bar restrictions or cracks in the sidewall.
Given that a flat tire is already, by definition, a "used tire", I'm sure
some of these factors can easily weight in on a portion of tires out there.
If that portion is 1/4 of all the tires will fail, that sounds reasonable.
> I suggest looking for a local small shop on the cheaper side of town that does
> tires. I think you're more likely to have them be willing to do a repair versus the
> large chain shops, etc. that are going to be overly cautious and wanting to sell
> new tires.
What I mostly hated was all the waiting, and driving, and traffic, and
disappointment being told in the end that they mainly wanted to sell new
tires. Worse, they didn't have the same tread pattern but that didn't
bother them. I don't know if it matters but I know it "could" matter
sometimes if the tread pattern makes a difference (which you won't know
until it's too late).
If I had the tire press, I would just do it my self and take the risk of my
efforts, which is why I'm asking here on a repair & automotive tech group.
> I haven't had a lot of tires that had problems over the years, but I'd
> guess that it was about 25% could not be plugged, 75% could. It also depends on
> what you're going to use the tire for. If it's going to be the spare, only get used
> temporarily or never, I would be less concerned about the repair. All the ones
> that I plugged lasted the life of the tire.
Thank you for answering the question as faithfully as you could.
Nobody else even tried to answer the question before saying what they'd do.
It seems reasonable that 1/4 of the tires that are flat "shouldn't" be
repaired if people follow the rules rigidly (which tires shops will do).
For one, I would think most tires are "driven on" for some distance after
they're flat, either because it's a slow leak or the driver needs to get
off the road to a safe place before changing over to the spare tire.
It would be good to know how long a flat tire can be driven on before it's
ruined. Is it 100 feet? 1 mile? More? Less? I don't know. Any idea?
Also we've all had nails/screws that are close to the edge, where I don't
know exactly where 'too close' might be, but I'm sure a shop will be more
conservative on that than I am for my own car (although for my wife & kids'
cars, I'd tend to be more conservative than I am on my own vehicles).
Along the same vein, glass and metal shards are problematic due to their
shape, where the question would be at what point is the slice too big.
There is also the case of multiple repairs in a tire, or a repair that is
too close to a pre-existing repair, which tire shops must have rules on.
And of course, there might be age-of-tire restrictions (anything over 3
years, for example) or wear-bar restrictions or cracks in the sidewall.
Given that a flat tire is already, by definition, a "used tire", I'm sure
some of these factors can easily weight in on a portion of tires out there.
If that portion is 1/4 of all the tires will fail, that sounds reasonable.
John Robertson
Apr 30, 2023, 12:16:36 PM4/30/23
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On 2023/04/30 5:59 pm, Bob F wrote:
>> I suspect by the time I really need it, I can't rely on it working.
>
> Maybe that's why they invented spare tires? It probably was not just to
> have a place to store a fixit kit.
>
> Unfortunately, my AWD Sienna does not have a space for a spare tire, so
> it just gets stashed in the back if I carry one.
Touche!
>> I suspect by the time I really need it, I can't rely on it working.
>
> Maybe that's why they invented spare tires? It probably was not just to
> have a place to store a fixit kit.
>
> Unfortunately, my AWD Sienna does not have a space for a spare tire, so
> it just gets stashed in the back if I carry one.
I was so focused on describing a trunk fixit kit has to last years in hot
and cold cycles like you can't believe, I forgot all about the spare tire!
Mainly I was pointing out that the green goopy stuff isn't likely to be
there when you need it. I prefer a cigarette lighter air pump instead.
But you're correct that if you get a flat, what you need is the emergency
stuff (lights, flares, triangles, shiny clothes, a plastic bag to lay down
on, and a big "fuck you" sign on the top of the car to those truckers.
Oh, and you'll need that jack of death too. And the chocks.
And a tire iron (which should last for years as it came from the factory).
I think they design those tire irons to be torqued to 85 foot pounds & no
more (someone told me that they designed them that way for a normal man).
I just step on them. Does anyone else do that? Or is it just me who does?
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 12:17:57 PM4/30/23
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stay there forever because the content is "tire sealant" so by nature
the gas will never leak from its own container. I have WD-40 in my trunk
and never lost pressure.
The sealant is some water-based gooey stuff with lumps of thick resin. I
don't think it will degrade over time inside of the can. There are also
other versions that are not pressurized, but you have to use valve-core
tool inside bottle cap that it comes with to remove the valve-core
before you squeeze the content into the valve.
> Of course, the answer is replace it every year, but who does that?
> Most people who say they do that, are lying because most people don't.
>
> Just like many people say they change the oil every 3K miles, they don't.
> And while many say they rotate tires every 3K miles, most don't.
>
> My reason for bringing that up is few of us will even look into that
> emergency kit after putting it there - until we need it on the road.
>
> When you're on the side of the road, covered in mud splashed over you on
> purpose by truckers (yes, I've been there) on a slope, in the rain, at
> night, and you're patching a tire - that's when you put those flimsy
> foldable triangles down on the road with those weights, and then you
> instantly watch them blow across the road when the next trucker splashes
> you (and yes, I've been there). Same with flares. Same with corroded
> batteries left inside the device.
>
police vehicles parked on the roadside with full emergency lights
blaring can get wiped out by on-coming trucks. For some reason a car
parked on the side of the road would attract other cars to ram into it.
The best bet if you have a tire puncture on the road is to pump tire
sealant into the flat tire, then pump air into the tire with a battery
air pump, and get to safety ASAP.
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 12:29:37 PM4/30/23
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On 4/30/2023 12:16 PM, John Robertson wrote:
> On 2023/04/30 5:59 pm, Bob F wrote:
>
>
>>> I suspect by the time I really need it, I can't rely on it working.
>>
>> Maybe that's why they invented spare tires? It probably was not just
>> to have a place to store a fixit kit.
>>
>> Unfortunately, my AWD Sienna does not have a space for a spare tire,
>> so it just gets stashed in the back if I carry one.
>
> Touche!
>
> I was so focused on describing a trunk fixit kit has to last years in hot
> and cold cycles like you can't believe, I forgot all about the spare
> tire!
>
> Mainly I was pointing out that the green goopy stuff isn't likely to be
> there when you need it. I prefer a cigarette lighter air pump instead.
>
You still need the air pump after you've injected the green goopy stuff
> On 2023/04/30 5:59 pm, Bob F wrote:
>
>
>>> I suspect by the time I really need it, I can't rely on it working.
>>
>> Maybe that's why they invented spare tires? It probably was not just
>> to have a place to store a fixit kit.
>>
>> Unfortunately, my AWD Sienna does not have a space for a spare tire,
>> so it just gets stashed in the back if I carry one.
>
> Touche!
>
> I was so focused on describing a trunk fixit kit has to last years in hot
> and cold cycles like you can't believe, I forgot all about the spare
> tire!
>
> Mainly I was pointing out that the green goopy stuff isn't likely to be
> there when you need it. I prefer a cigarette lighter air pump instead.
>
into the tire. The tire sealant is meant to be injected into a flat
tire. You need to use air pump to bring the tire pressure up so you can
drive away.
I believe the pressure inside the pressurized Slime Tire Sealant will
stay there forever because the content is "tire sealant" so by nature
the gas will never leak from its own container. I have WD-40 in my trunk
and never lost pressure.
The sealant is some water-based gooey stuff with lumps of thick resin. I
don't think it will degrade over time inside of the can. There are also
other versions that are not pressurized, but you have to use valve-core
tool inside bottle cap that it comes with to remove the valve-core
before you squeeze the content into the valve.
> But you're correct that if you get a flat, what you need is the emergency
> stuff (lights, flares, triangles, shiny clothes, a plastic bag to lay
> down
> on, and a big "fuck you" sign on the top of the car to those truckers.
>
> stuff (lights, flares, triangles, shiny clothes, a plastic bag to lay
> down
> on, and a big "fuck you" sign on the top of the car to those truckers.
>
It is very dangerous to fix your car tire beside the highway. Even
police vehicles parked on the roadside with full emergency lights
blaring can get wiped out by on-coming trucks. For some reason a car
parked on the side of the road would attract other cars to ram into it.
The best bet if you have a tire puncture on the road is to pump tire
sealant into the flat tire, then pump air into the tire with a battery
air pump, and get to safety ASAP.
police vehicles parked on the roadside with full emergency lights
blaring can get wiped out by on-coming trucks. For some reason a car
parked on the side of the road would attract other cars to ram into it.
The best bet if you have a tire puncture on the road is to pump tire
sealant into the flat tire, then pump air into the tire with a battery
air pump, and get to safety ASAP.
Scott Dorsey
Apr 30, 2023, 12:31:36 PM4/30/23
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John Robertson <sp...@flippers.com> wrote:
>On 2023/04/30 2:37 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> But the real reason why tire guys hate the stuff is that the propellant
>> is explosive and can ignite if a spark occurs.
>
>Do you bullshit on purpose because you want to sound like you know
>something? Or do you actually believe the bullshit that you just said?
I just read the warning on the can. If you don't believe it you can take
>On 2023/04/30 2:37 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> But the real reason why tire guys hate the stuff is that the propellant
>> is explosive and can ignite if a spark occurs.
>
>Do you bullshit on purpose because you want to sound like you know
>something? Or do you actually believe the bullshit that you just said?
it up with them.
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 12:35:33 PM4/30/23
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prying open car tires myself, especially when it is a lot of work, and
not expensive to pay others to do it.
John Robertson
Apr 30, 2023, 12:38:16 PM4/30/23
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Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> I believe the pressure inside the pressurized Slime Tire Sealant will
> stay there forever because the content is "tire sealant" so by nature
> the gas will never leak from its own container.
I am not so sure of that as I've grabbed plenty of spray cans in my life
> I believe the pressure inside the pressurized Slime Tire Sealant will
> stay there forever because the content is "tire sealant" so by nature
> the gas will never leak from its own container.
only to find that they're dead. I guess most were probably used though.
The temperature cycles in a trunk are horrific so it would be useful to
find what the manufacturer suggests as a reasonable replacement period.
> I have WD-40 in my trunk and never lost pressure.
I realized aren't great ideas (like the aforementioned flares, which just
turn into a crumbly yellow mess after years in a wet/dry hot/cold trunk).
One of those things was WD-40, which people seem to think is some kind of
miracle water cure for just about every ill that a mechanic could imagine.
I long ago gave up on the smelly stuff (it gives me a headache) and I've
never even fretted about it. When I need oil, I use oil. When I need to
loosen rusty nuts, I use ATF and bang a lot. When I need to "displace
water", I spray it with the compressor air gun.
What does WD-40 do that Jesus' own miracle water doesn't do?
> The sealant is some water-based gooey stuff with lumps of thick resin. I
> don't think it will degrade over time inside of the can. There are also
> other versions that are not pressurized, but you have to use valve-core
> tool inside bottle cap that it comes with to remove the valve-core
> before you squeeze the content into the valve.
My beef was that it's going to lose pressure when stuck in a hot/cold trunk
for years, such that when you really need it, it will no longer be there.
I've had this happen with halon fire extinguishers when I first started
driving as people 'told me' I need to keep one in the car. When I needed
it, it wasn't there for me, and that alone taught me a valuable lesson.
If it's going to go in the trunk, then it can't be a can of pressurized
anything because the moment you are under pressure, it won't be there.
If the green goopy stuff is not pressurized, then that would be fine.
> It is very dangerous to fix your car tire beside the highway.
themselves. I've pulled over to pee for example. Is that very dangerous?
In some situations, like on the Pulaski Skyway, it's already very dangerous
just to be driving on the thing, let alone being pulled over to the side.
In other cases, such as in the middle of Montana on I80, you could park an
entire herd of cattle in the median while you work on putting the spare on.
What's "very dangerous" are those damn truckers. They drive close to you
just for their own fun. If you don't know what I mean, you never drove in
NJ along roads like Highway 9, or Route 202, or Route 1. They're assholes.
> Even
> police vehicles parked on the roadside with full emergency lights
> blaring can get wiped out by on-coming trucks. For some reason a car
> parked on the side of the road would attract other cars to ram into it.
their lights on. Worse, truckers (yes, in NJ) aim to get as close to the
police as they can, just for their own glee - and every once in a while
(read the news) they actually hit the policemen (by accident) doing that.
Did I mention yet that the most dangerous situation when you're pulled over
to repair your car are the truckers love to mess with you as they drive by?
> The best bet if you have a tire puncture on the road is to pump tire
> sealant into the flat tire, then pump air into the tire with a battery
> air pump, and get to safety ASAP.
lives or more, you can just call AAA for the ladies and for the men, you
can call the government 511 who usually tows you off the road for free.
Once off the road, the government free towers leave you in a safe spot
where you can then safely work on the care to your hearts content.
I think even the basic AAA will tow you five miles to a gas station for
those women who feel the need for the safety. From there they can call you.
I've never needed a tow in my long life, but I've seen lots of cars parked
on the side with big stickers on the rear window so others must have not
figured out what was wrong with the car and had to abandon it on the side.
I never bought a new car but I know how to repair them which is useful
because unless you lose an axle, you can usually limp home on chewing gum.
Scott Lurndal
Apr 30, 2023, 12:41:10 PM4/30/23
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thirty years.
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 12:54:15 PM4/30/23
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am sure there are other nonflammable propellant out there. Helium may be
a good candidate. I can buy a small tank of helium from party-stores to
inflate balloons.
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 1:00:10 PM4/30/23
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John Robertson
Apr 30, 2023, 1:03:52 PM4/30/23
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On 2023/04/30 10:29 am, �� Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
On 2023/04/30 10:29 am, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>> Mainly I was pointing out that the green goopy stuff isn't likely to be
>> there when you need it. I prefer a cigarette lighter air pump instead.
>>
>
> You still need the air pump after you've injected the green goopy stuff
> into the tire. The tire sealant is meant to be injected into a flat
> tire. You need to use air pump to bring the tire pressure up so you can
> drive away.
Oh. Thanks. I didn't realize the green goopy stuff is injected into a tire
which no longer has any pressure and that it wasn't meant to pressurize the
tire. It's got to take a LOT of air to fill a tire anyway.
The green goopy stuff must have 'some' pressure though, as what's going to
make it go inside the tire? Gravity?
> I believe the pressure inside the pressurized Slime Tire Sealant will
> stay there forever because the content is "tire sealant" so by nature
> the gas will never leak from its own container.
I don't believe it.
What would be nice is confirmation from the manufacturer on the storage
lifetime in a trunk that experiences mighty hot and mighty cold cycles.
> I have WD-40 in my trunk
> and never lost pressure.
Some day I'm going to figure out what WD-40 does that the right choice
doesn't do better. Besides, just the smell of WD-40 gives me a headache.
> The sealant is some water-based gooey stuff with lumps of thick resin. I
> don't think it will degrade over time inside of the can. There are also
> other versions that are not pressurized, but you have to use valve-core
> tool inside bottle cap that it comes with to remove the valve-core
> before you squeeze the content into the valve.
Removing the schrader valve isn't any big deal, although if it's night,
along the road, on a driver-side tire, and a trucker plays his tricks on
you, that teeny tiny beautiful lovely shiny red and silver jewel will be
scattered somewhere along the road along with your flares and triangles.
> It is very dangerous to fix your car tire beside the highway.
Please stop saying that. This is a home repair group and an automotive
repair group. It's dangerous to do anything. Everything we do is dangerous.
It's dangerous to use scissors or to drink from a glass cup too.
It's dangerous to saw wood or to drill holes in metal also.
It's dangerous to put coolant in a car.
It's dangerous to change your own oil.
It's dangerous to bleed your own brakes.
It's dangerous to climb a ladder.
Just saying it's dangerous to fix your car beside the highway is like
saying don't use a chainsaw because you will chop off all your fingers.
Whether or not its very dangerous will depend greatly on the situation.
You repeating that endlessly is just frustrating because it's wrong.
It's not dangerous sometimes.
It's not very dangerous most of the time.
But it could be very dangerous some of the time too.
Like if you break down in the middle of the Pulaski Skyway.
That's very dangerous all the time, in my humble opinion.
But most of the time, it's just not as safe as you'd like it to be.
> Even
> police vehicles parked on the roadside with full emergency lights
> blaring can get wiped out by on-coming trucks. For some reason a car
> parked on the side of the road would attract other cars to ram into it.
While I have watched almost every video on YouTube for crazy drivers, so I
know that a lot of people drive into things they shouldn't be driving into,
the reason they provide a shoulder and median is so that you can pull over.
Hell, I pull over all the time to duck behind a tree to take care of
business, but I'm not hiding behind that tree due to the danger I feel.
If you're that afraid of the shoulder of the road, then that's why they
invented AAA (mostly for women who don't know how to fix a broken car).
I give AAA as a gift to a bunch of relatives who are girls and who get a
new car. Usually I give it to them for five years, but I never give it to
the boys because they have to learn how to be a man and not a scared wuss.
> The best bet if you have a tire puncture on the road is to pump tire
> sealant into the flat tire, then pump air into the tire with a battery
> air pump, and get to safety ASAP.
That's a good point of what's the "best" bet if you have a flat.
How many flats are unrepairable?
That's why they put the spare tire on the car (as someone else noted).
Seems to me if you're pulled over in a location that isn't as safe as you'd
like it to be, the best bet is whatever is the fastest solution that
doesn't put you into danger.
A lot might depend on what side of the vehicle has the flat and the angle
of the embankment and the amount of room and the weather and traffic, etc.
I'd think one of the better bets is to first assess the situation.
Then decide if you should give up and call for help.
Or decide to put the spare on.
Or decide to fix it on the spot.
If you decide to fix it on the spot, you're going to need "something" to
patch up the hole, and then you're going to need "something" to put air
back into that tire.
For me, that's the tire repair plugs and the little tiny compressor.
For others, I guess it's that green goopy stuff and a half dozen air cans.
How many cans of air does it take anyway to fill up a typical SUV tire?
On 2023/04/30 10:29 am, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>> Mainly I was pointing out that the green goopy stuff isn't likely to be
>> there when you need it. I prefer a cigarette lighter air pump instead.
>>
>
> You still need the air pump after you've injected the green goopy stuff
> into the tire. The tire sealant is meant to be injected into a flat
> tire. You need to use air pump to bring the tire pressure up so you can
> drive away.
which no longer has any pressure and that it wasn't meant to pressurize the
tire. It's got to take a LOT of air to fill a tire anyway.
The green goopy stuff must have 'some' pressure though, as what's going to
make it go inside the tire? Gravity?
> I believe the pressure inside the pressurized Slime Tire Sealant will
> stay there forever because the content is "tire sealant" so by nature
> the gas will never leak from its own container.
What would be nice is confirmation from the manufacturer on the storage
lifetime in a trunk that experiences mighty hot and mighty cold cycles.
> I have WD-40 in my trunk
> and never lost pressure.
doesn't do better. Besides, just the smell of WD-40 gives me a headache.
> The sealant is some water-based gooey stuff with lumps of thick resin. I
> don't think it will degrade over time inside of the can. There are also
> other versions that are not pressurized, but you have to use valve-core
> tool inside bottle cap that it comes with to remove the valve-core
> before you squeeze the content into the valve.
along the road, on a driver-side tire, and a trucker plays his tricks on
you, that teeny tiny beautiful lovely shiny red and silver jewel will be
scattered somewhere along the road along with your flares and triangles.
> It is very dangerous to fix your car tire beside the highway.
repair group. It's dangerous to do anything. Everything we do is dangerous.
It's dangerous to use scissors or to drink from a glass cup too.
It's dangerous to saw wood or to drill holes in metal also.
It's dangerous to put coolant in a car.
It's dangerous to change your own oil.
It's dangerous to bleed your own brakes.
It's dangerous to climb a ladder.
Just saying it's dangerous to fix your car beside the highway is like
saying don't use a chainsaw because you will chop off all your fingers.
Whether or not its very dangerous will depend greatly on the situation.
You repeating that endlessly is just frustrating because it's wrong.
It's not dangerous sometimes.
It's not very dangerous most of the time.
But it could be very dangerous some of the time too.
Like if you break down in the middle of the Pulaski Skyway.
That's very dangerous all the time, in my humble opinion.
But most of the time, it's just not as safe as you'd like it to be.
> Even
> police vehicles parked on the roadside with full emergency lights
> blaring can get wiped out by on-coming trucks. For some reason a car
> parked on the side of the road would attract other cars to ram into it.
know that a lot of people drive into things they shouldn't be driving into,
the reason they provide a shoulder and median is so that you can pull over.
Hell, I pull over all the time to duck behind a tree to take care of
business, but I'm not hiding behind that tree due to the danger I feel.
If you're that afraid of the shoulder of the road, then that's why they
invented AAA (mostly for women who don't know how to fix a broken car).
I give AAA as a gift to a bunch of relatives who are girls and who get a
new car. Usually I give it to them for five years, but I never give it to
the boys because they have to learn how to be a man and not a scared wuss.
> The best bet if you have a tire puncture on the road is to pump tire
> sealant into the flat tire, then pump air into the tire with a battery
> air pump, and get to safety ASAP.
How many flats are unrepairable?
That's why they put the spare tire on the car (as someone else noted).
Seems to me if you're pulled over in a location that isn't as safe as you'd
like it to be, the best bet is whatever is the fastest solution that
doesn't put you into danger.
A lot might depend on what side of the vehicle has the flat and the angle
of the embankment and the amount of room and the weather and traffic, etc.
I'd think one of the better bets is to first assess the situation.
Then decide if you should give up and call for help.
Or decide to put the spare on.
Or decide to fix it on the spot.
If you decide to fix it on the spot, you're going to need "something" to
patch up the hole, and then you're going to need "something" to put air
back into that tire.
For me, that's the tire repair plugs and the little tiny compressor.
For others, I guess it's that green goopy stuff and a half dozen air cans.
How many cans of air does it take anyway to fill up a typical SUV tire?
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 1:11:13 PM4/30/23
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On 4/30/2023 12:38 PM, John Robertson wrote:
close to me as possible in my car. The small fire extinguisher has a
built-in pressure gauge. It has never lost pressure. I think I have had
that same fire extinguisher in all the cars I had gone through in the
last 20 years.
Not exactly the one I have, but like this:
https://www.amazon.com/First-Alert-1038789-Standard-Extinguisher/dp/B01LTICQYE
John Robertson
Apr 30, 2023, 1:20:58 PM4/30/23
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On 2023/04/30 10:53 am, �� Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> CFC has been replaced by another environmentally friendly refrigerant. I
> am sure there are other nonflammable propellant out there. Helium may be
> a good candidate. I can buy a small tank of helium from party-stores to
> inflate balloons.
Speaking of environmentally friendly gases, I refill my sodastream
> CFC has been replaced by another environmentally friendly refrigerant. I
> am sure there are other nonflammable propellant out there. Helium may be
> a good candidate. I can buy a small tank of helium from party-stores to
> inflate balloons.
containers and twenty pound carbon dioxide welding tanks with dry ice.
They make and I bought a gadget that refills the sodastream containers from
the welding tanks (it's just a high pressure hose, valves, and a gauge).
I wonder if they make a gadget like that for filling up tires once?
It wouldn't have to be carbon dioxide. It could be any non-flammable gas.
The pressure of carbon dioxide varies according to temperature, but even
nominally at around 850 psi, it would need to be regulated down to
twentieth of that for a tire, but I wonder if they make a gadget for that?
Incubus
Apr 30, 2023, 1:27:12 PM4/30/23
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On 2023-04-30, Thomas <cano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well it says they
> sell new tires too, but they assume I'm there for used tires. If they
> ever didn't have my size, I guess they'd sell me new.
>
> I was buying new from a used tire place. They charged 2 bucks each to dispose of the old.
> As I was getting the new ones, the guy behind me was buying my old from the dealer for 20 each.
I've bought used tires. When I was a kid. The problem is you don't know how
long they sat flat. The belts might be ruined. Then again, maybe not.
Certainly if you sold recent tires and the guy behind you bought them, he
got a good deal.
But what I do now is mailorder the tires to get the best price.
Simple Tire. Tire Rack. Amazon. Whatever.
They'll ship them directly to the tire installer.
Often there will be free shipping - which is important sometimes.
Sometimes (less so now than years ago) their might not even be a sales tax.
And they'll give you an out-the-door price for the installation & disposal
that the tire seller has already negotiated with the tire installers.
So you know what it will cost when you factor it all in.
Plus you get the choice of the entire world's warehouses.
Not just what one tire shop happens to have in stock.
> Well it says they
> sell new tires too, but they assume I'm there for used tires. If they
> ever didn't have my size, I guess they'd sell me new.
>
> I was buying new from a used tire place. They charged 2 bucks each to dispose of the old.
> As I was getting the new ones, the guy behind me was buying my old from the dealer for 20 each.
I've bought used tires. When I was a kid. The problem is you don't know how
long they sat flat. The belts might be ruined. Then again, maybe not.
Certainly if you sold recent tires and the guy behind you bought them, he
got a good deal.
But what I do now is mailorder the tires to get the best price.
Simple Tire. Tire Rack. Amazon. Whatever.
They'll ship them directly to the tire installer.
Often there will be free shipping - which is important sometimes.
Sometimes (less so now than years ago) their might not even be a sales tax.
And they'll give you an out-the-door price for the installation & disposal
that the tire seller has already negotiated with the tire installers.
So you know what it will cost when you factor it all in.
Plus you get the choice of the entire world's warehouses.
Not just what one tire shop happens to have in stock.
Bob F
Apr 30, 2023, 1:36:21 PM4/30/23
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😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 1:38:00 PM4/30/23
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On 4/30/2023 1:04 PM, John Robertson wrote:
> On 2023/04/30 10:29 am, ������ Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>
> On 2023/04/30 10:29 am, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>
>
>>> Mainly I was pointing out that the green goopy stuff isn't likely to be
>>> there when you need it. I prefer a cigarette lighter air pump instead.
>>>
>>
>> You still need the air pump after you've injected the green goopy
>> stuff into the tire. The tire sealant is meant to be injected into a
>> flat tire. You need to use air pump to bring the tire pressure up so
>> you can drive away.
>
> Oh. Thanks. I didn't realize the green goopy stuff is injected into a
> tire which no longer has any pressure and that it wasn't meant to
> pressurize the tire. It's got to take a LOT of air to fill a tire anyway.
>
> The green goopy stuff must have 'some' pressure though, as what's
> going to make it go inside the tire? Gravity?
>
>> I believe the pressure inside the pressurized Slime Tire Sealant will
>> stay there forever because the content is "tire sealant" so by nature
>> the gas will never leak from its own container.
>
> I don't believe it.
> What would be nice is confirmation from the manufacturer on the
> storage lifetime in a trunk that experiences mighty hot and mighty
> cold cycles.
>
>> I have WD-40 in my trunk and never lost pressure.
>
> Some day I'm going to figure out what WD-40 does that the right choice
> doesn't do better. Besides, just the smell of WD-40 gives me a headache.
>
In the old days I replaced the spark plug wires myself. It seems like
> On 2023/04/30 10:29 am, ������ Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>
> On 2023/04/30 10:29 am, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>
>
>>> Mainly I was pointing out that the green goopy stuff isn't likely to be
>>> there when you need it. I prefer a cigarette lighter air pump instead.
>>>
>>
>> You still need the air pump after you've injected the green goopy
>> stuff into the tire. The tire sealant is meant to be injected into a
>> flat tire. You need to use air pump to bring the tire pressure up so
>> you can drive away.
>
> Oh. Thanks. I didn't realize the green goopy stuff is injected into a
> tire which no longer has any pressure and that it wasn't meant to
> pressurize the tire. It's got to take a LOT of air to fill a tire anyway.
>
> The green goopy stuff must have 'some' pressure though, as what's
> going to make it go inside the tire? Gravity?
>
>> I believe the pressure inside the pressurized Slime Tire Sealant will
>> stay there forever because the content is "tire sealant" so by nature
>> the gas will never leak from its own container.
>
> I don't believe it.
> What would be nice is confirmation from the manufacturer on the
> storage lifetime in a trunk that experiences mighty hot and mighty
> cold cycles.
>
>> I have WD-40 in my trunk and never lost pressure.
>
> Some day I'm going to figure out what WD-40 does that the right choice
> doesn't do better. Besides, just the smell of WD-40 gives me a headache.
>
the water always got splashed into the spark-plug wire boot and the
spark would jump everywhere inside the boot. A spray of WD-40 at the
rubber boots on the distributor would displace the water and fix the
problem immediately. It was a common knowledge in the old days. If you
see an old car which stalled at the traffic light when the road is wet
or it was raining the day before, then wet distributor spark plug wire
boot is most likely the problem.
purpose. One time it save my embarrassment when I had to pee badly after
I finally found a parking spot in a hospital parking lot after driving
around in the parking lot for half an hour. I wouldn't be able to walk
to the hospital's washroom without pissing my pants. Good thing I had
that empty jug.
RonTheGuy
Apr 30, 2023, 1:43:32 PM4/30/23
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On Apr 30, 2023, �� Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote
(in article<news:mNw3M.1004828$S2l4....@fx12.ams1>):
>> If the tire changing machine at HF costs $100 then it pays for itself the
>> first time you need to replace 4 tires on your vehicle (at $25 per tire).
>>
>> The ability to repair your tires at home is just an added convenience.
>
> I love to fix many different things at home, but I have an aversion to
> prying open car tires myself, especially when it is a lot of work, and
> not expensive to pay others to do it.
My wife uses that exact same excuse on me all the time. :->
If someone doesn't want to do something, there are always excuses for why.
I watched the videos. Doesn't look all that hard.
Of course, youtube videos only show the tires that worked out well.
But some of those videos were of some guy in his back yard, another set of
guys in a garage, and even one was an old Asian guy in his pajamas and
slippers in his driveway. So I doubt it's too hard if you want to do it.
Same thing I tell my wife.
So that might not work on you either. :->
It seems like it's easy to do at home if you like working on your car.
If you don't like working on your car, then nobody can talk you into even
doing an oil change, as the main excuse people use who never did things is
that they don't want to do them (which is a perfectly good excuse).
But this should be the type of group for people who actually like doing
things for themselves instead of paying people to wash behind their ears.
Ron, the humblest guy in town.
(in article<news:mNw3M.1004828$S2l4....@fx12.ams1>):
>> If the tire changing machine at HF costs $100 then it pays for itself the
>> first time you need to replace 4 tires on your vehicle (at $25 per tire).
>>
>> The ability to repair your tires at home is just an added convenience.
>
> I love to fix many different things at home, but I have an aversion to
> prying open car tires myself, especially when it is a lot of work, and
> not expensive to pay others to do it.
If someone doesn't want to do something, there are always excuses for why.
I watched the videos. Doesn't look all that hard.
Of course, youtube videos only show the tires that worked out well.
But some of those videos were of some guy in his back yard, another set of
guys in a garage, and even one was an old Asian guy in his pajamas and
slippers in his driveway. So I doubt it's too hard if you want to do it.
Same thing I tell my wife.
So that might not work on you either. :->
It seems like it's easy to do at home if you like working on your car.
If you don't like working on your car, then nobody can talk you into even
doing an oil change, as the main excuse people use who never did things is
that they don't want to do them (which is a perfectly good excuse).
But this should be the type of group for people who actually like doing
things for themselves instead of paying people to wash behind their ears.
Ron, the humblest guy in town.
Bob F
Apr 30, 2023, 1:53:15 PM4/30/23
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On 4/30/2023 10:21 AM, John Robertson wrote:
> On 2023/04/30 10:53 am, ������ Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>
>
>> CFC has been replaced by another environmentally friendly refrigerant.
>> I am sure there are other nonflammable propellant out there. Helium
>> may be a good candidate. I can buy a small tank of helium from
>> party-stores to inflate balloons.
>
> Speaking of environmentally friendly gases, I refill my sodastream
> containers and twenty pound carbon dioxide welding tanks with dry ice.
>
> They make and I bought a gadget that refills the sodastream containers from
> the welding tanks (it's just a high pressure hose, valves, and a gauge).
>
> I wonder if they make a gadget like that for filling up tires once?
> It wouldn't have to be carbon dioxide. It could be any non-flammable gas.
>
> The pressure of carbon dioxide varies according to temperature, but even
> nominally at around 850 psi, it would need to be regulated down to
> twentieth of that for a tire, but I wonder if they make a gadget for that?
They call it a regulator.
> On 2023/04/30 10:53 am, ������ Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>
>
>> CFC has been replaced by another environmentally friendly refrigerant.
>> I am sure there are other nonflammable propellant out there. Helium
>> may be a good candidate. I can buy a small tank of helium from
>> party-stores to inflate balloons.
>
> Speaking of environmentally friendly gases, I refill my sodastream
> containers and twenty pound carbon dioxide welding tanks with dry ice.
>
> They make and I bought a gadget that refills the sodastream containers from
> the welding tanks (it's just a high pressure hose, valves, and a gauge).
>
> I wonder if they make a gadget like that for filling up tires once?
> It wouldn't have to be carbon dioxide. It could be any non-flammable gas.
>
> The pressure of carbon dioxide varies according to temperature, but even
> nominally at around 850 psi, it would need to be regulated down to
> twentieth of that for a tire, but I wonder if they make a gadget for that?
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 1:54:38 PM4/30/23
to
On 4/30/2023 1:21 PM, John Robertson wrote:
> On 2023/04/30 10:53 am, ������ Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>
>
>> CFC has been replaced by another environmentally friendly
>> refrigerant. I am sure there are other nonflammable propellant out
>> there. Helium may be a good candidate. I can buy a small tank of
>> helium from party-stores to inflate balloons.
>
> Speaking of environmentally friendly gases, I refill my sodastream
> containers and twenty pound carbon dioxide welding tanks with dry ice.
>
> They make and I bought a gadget that refills the sodastream containers
> from
> the welding tanks (it's just a high pressure hose, valves, and a gauge).
>
> I wonder if they make a gadget like that for filling up tires once?
> It wouldn't have to be carbon dioxide. It could be any non-flammable gas.
>
Yes. Just search for "CO2 inflator" on Amazon. They use "16g threaded
> On 2023/04/30 10:53 am, ������ Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>
>
>> CFC has been replaced by another environmentally friendly
>> refrigerant. I am sure there are other nonflammable propellant out
>> there. Helium may be a good candidate. I can buy a small tank of
>> helium from party-stores to inflate balloons.
>
> Speaking of environmentally friendly gases, I refill my sodastream
> containers and twenty pound carbon dioxide welding tanks with dry ice.
>
> They make and I bought a gadget that refills the sodastream containers
> from
> the welding tanks (it's just a high pressure hose, valves, and a gauge).
>
> I wonder if they make a gadget like that for filling up tires once?
> It wouldn't have to be carbon dioxide. It could be any non-flammable gas.
>
cartridge".
The kind of CO2 cartridge for air gun is 12g, non-threaded.
CO2 inflators are practical for bicycle tires because of the compact
light weight to carry in your pocket. A hand pump is too tedious. It is
not practical for cars and trucks because you can use electric air pump.
One 16g CO2 cartridge may not be enough to fill a flat car or truck
tire. Topping up, maybe.
Bob F
Apr 30, 2023, 1:58:39 PM4/30/23
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>
>
> I have a small fire extinguisher in the driver's door pocket that is as
> close to me as possible in my car. The small fire extinguisher has a
> built-in pressure gauge. It has never lost pressure. I think I have had
> that same fire extinguisher in all the cars I had gone through in the
> last 20 years.
>
> Not exactly the one I have, but like this:
> https://www.amazon.com/First-Alert-1038789-Standard-Extinguisher/dp/B01LTICQYE
they have pressure, not much chemical will be dispensed whey you try to
use them. Supposedly, tapping the tank on something once in a while can
help prevent this. Perhaps, a few good taps before you use it would be
helpful.
Bob F
Apr 30, 2023, 2:04:51 PM4/30/23
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to work well.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Apr 30, 2023, 2:14:12 PM4/30/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 at 18:37:36, �� Mighty Wannabe ✅ <@.> wrote: (my
responses usually follow points raised):
these long umbrella bags in the foyer for people to grab a few.
Guess what I use 'em for.
There's no need to even pull over.
It works while you're driving.
You have plenty of room for the knot when you're done.
Just don't step on it before you find a trash can to throw it away in.
responses usually follow points raised):
> I wouldn't be able to walk
> to the hospital's washroom without pissing my pants. Good thing I had
> that empty jug.
Speaking of peeing at the hospital parking lot, my local hospital puts
> to the hospital's washroom without pissing my pants. Good thing I had
> that empty jug.
these long umbrella bags in the foyer for people to grab a few.
Guess what I use 'em for.
There's no need to even pull over.
It works while you're driving.
You have plenty of room for the knot when you're done.
Just don't step on it before you find a trash can to throw it away in.
rbowman
Apr 30, 2023, 2:20:47 PM4/30/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 09:07:31 -0600, Gronk wrote:
> I've noticed people who have never done something are always the ones
> saying that it can't be done. We need to ask someone who has done it.
>
> Whoever posted those videos shows that it can easily be done at home.
Very few of the videos show when the project turns to shit. You know, when
your entire vocabulary has been pruned down to 'Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!' as you
beat on the tire with a 5lb hammer trying to get the fucking bead to seat.
I've noticed the people who have never done something tend to be over
optimistic.
> I've noticed people who have never done something are always the ones
> saying that it can't be done. We need to ask someone who has done it.
>
> Whoever posted those videos shows that it can easily be done at home.
Very few of the videos show when the project turns to shit. You know, when
your entire vocabulary has been pruned down to 'Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!' as you
beat on the tire with a 5lb hammer trying to get the fucking bead to seat.
I've noticed the people who have never done something tend to be over
optimistic.
RonTheGuy
Apr 30, 2023, 2:36:00 PM4/30/23
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On Apr 30, 2023, Bob F wrote
(in article<news:u2majv$3ldsk$1...@dont-email.me>):
> The hand powered tire changer probably needs to be bolted to the floor
> to work well.
Probably can put female lugs in concrete or asphalt and then bolt it down
when you need it, remove it and pack it up when you're not using it.
Probably need a bead breaker as the arm that comes with it seems weak.
Maybe even a couple extra long tire irons.
And a spray bottle of soapy water.
There's almost no end to tools you can add to make any one repair easier.
(in article<news:u2majv$3ldsk$1...@dont-email.me>):
> The hand powered tire changer probably needs to be bolted to the floor
> to work well.
when you need it, remove it and pack it up when you're not using it.
Probably need a bead breaker as the arm that comes with it seems weak.
Maybe even a couple extra long tire irons.
And a spray bottle of soapy water.
There's almost no end to tools you can add to make any one repair easier.
rbowman
Apr 30, 2023, 2:36:51 PM4/30/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 09:52:25 -0600, Gronk wrote:
> If the tire changing machine at HF costs $100 then it pays for itself
> the first time you need to replace 4 tires on your vehicle (at $25 per
> tire).
https://www.lesschwab.com/tires/free-tire-repair
> If the tire changing machine at HF costs $100 then it pays for itself
> the first time you need to replace 4 tires on your vehicle (at $25 per
> tire).
I realize Les Schwab is not nationwide. However the free mounting when you
buy the tires, plus free rotation, and repairs should be factored in.
How much did you save buying those Cooper CS5's from Amazon?
rbowman
Apr 30, 2023, 2:40:44 PM4/30/23
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engines and transmissions. When it comes to tubeless tires, I let someone
else do it. I'll do tube types.
Ed P
Apr 30, 2023, 2:42:39 PM4/30/23
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On 4/30/2023 11:52 AM, Gronk wrote:
> Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>
>>> https://www.harborfreight.com/search?q=tire%20machine
>>
>> Thanks for the link, but it's a lot of work taking the tire off the
>> car, prying it open, patching the puncture, and then putting the tire
>> back together and onto the car (minus the balancing). I haven't
>> encountered enough tire punctures in my life to justify saving that
>> once in a blue moon $20 expense to get someone else to fix it for me.
>
> If the tire changing machine at HF costs $100 then it pays for itself the
> first time you need to replace 4 tires on your vehicle (at $25 per tire).
>
> The ability to repair your tires at home is just an added convenience.
Of course to to it right you also need to be able to balance them too.
> Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>
>>> https://www.harborfreight.com/search?q=tire%20machine
>>
>> Thanks for the link, but it's a lot of work taking the tire off the
>> car, prying it open, patching the puncture, and then putting the tire
>> back together and onto the car (minus the balancing). I haven't
>> encountered enough tire punctures in my life to justify saving that
>> once in a blue moon $20 expense to get someone else to fix it for me.
>
> If the tire changing machine at HF costs $100 then it pays for itself the
> first time you need to replace 4 tires on your vehicle (at $25 per tire).
>
> The ability to repair your tires at home is just an added convenience.
What does that cost?
I find it easier to pay and read a magazine while the work is being
done. I get a few years out of a set of tires.
Gronk
Apr 30, 2023, 2:44:01 PM4/30/23
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People deprecating it always make it sound a lot harder than it really is.
Usually they're just justifying why _they_ would never do home repairs.
You have to wonder why they are on a home repair newsgroup after all.
rbowman
Apr 30, 2023, 2:58:18 PM4/30/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 08:59:50 -0700, Bob F wrote:
> Maybe that's why they invented spare tires? It probably was not just to
> have a place to store a fixit kit.
>
> Unfortunately, my AWD Sienna does not have a space for a spare tire, so
> it just gets stashed in the back if I carry one.
And then they invented donuts... The space for the donut in my Toyota
> Maybe that's why they invented spare tires? It probably was not just to
> have a place to store a fixit kit.
>
> Unfortunately, my AWD Sienna does not have a space for a spare tire, so
> it just gets stashed in the back if I carry one.
isn't large enough for a real spare tire.
Gronk
Apr 30, 2023, 2:58:44 PM4/30/23
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Generally you end up with one tire free for every four tires you buy.
https://www.google.com/search?q=simple+tire+Cooper+CS5
Obviously the size matters but for example, that first hit is $109
https://simpletire.com/brands/cooper-tires/cs5-ultra-touring
Second hit is $112 but of course it matters exactly which model.
https://simpletire.com/brands/cooper-tires/cs5-grand-touring
Third hit is also $112 but that's before any promotional deals.
https://simpletire.com/brands/cooper-tires/cs5-grand-touring
Usually Simple Tire doesn't have shipping charges.
If they do, you can add a lot, maybe $15 per tire.
Depending on the state, there may be no sales tax either.
rbowman
Apr 30, 2023, 3:03:03 PM4/30/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 10:16:56 -0600, John Robertson wrote:
> Oh, and you'll need that jack of death too. And the chocks.
> And a tire iron (which should last for years as it came from the
> factory).
>
> I think they design those tire irons to be torqued to 85 foot pounds &
> no more (someone told me that they designed them that way for a normal
> man).
I carry a breaker bar and sockets that fit the lug nuts. I've had too much
experience with those OEM wrenches that don't fit anything known to man. I
also carry a bottle jack although the OEM scissors jack works well.
In the rare cases where a tire shop has put the wheels on I immediately go
home and attempt to remove them. I have an impact wrench for the ones the
Amazing Hulk tightened. Then I replace them to a torque that I can remove.
> Oh, and you'll need that jack of death too. And the chocks.
> And a tire iron (which should last for years as it came from the
> factory).
>
> I think they design those tire irons to be torqued to 85 foot pounds &
> no more (someone told me that they designed them that way for a normal
> man).
I carry a breaker bar and sockets that fit the lug nuts. I've had too much
experience with those OEM wrenches that don't fit anything known to man. I
also carry a bottle jack although the OEM scissors jack works well.
In the rare cases where a tire shop has put the wheels on I immediately go
home and attempt to remove them. I have an impact wrench for the ones the
Amazing Hulk tightened. Then I replace them to a torque that I can remove.
Gronk
Apr 30, 2023, 3:11:03 PM4/30/23
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Ed P wrote:
>> The ability to repair your tires at home is just an added convenience.
>
> Of course to to it right you also need to be able to balance them too.
> What does that cost?
>
> I find it easier to pay and read a magazine while the work is being
> done. I get a few years out of a set of tires.
If someone hasn't mounted/balanced tires, then the only thing they usually
>> The ability to repair your tires at home is just an added convenience.
>
> Of course to to it right you also need to be able to balance them too.
> What does that cost?
>
> I find it easier to pay and read a magazine while the work is being
> done. I get a few years out of a set of tires.
know about mounting or balancing tires is what their momma told them.
Which is not much.
Mounting and balancing tires has been done by hand for ages, and there's
nothing special about current tires other than they're even easier to do.
People who say it's hard are the same people who say mowing is hard work.
The real reason they come up with crazy excuses is that they don't like it.
If all you know about balancing tires is the advertising that Hunter spews
trying to make the average mom and pop consumer think they need space-age
balancing, then you don't know that static balancing works just fine most
of the time, & even if it's slightly off, driving will tell the truth.
Static balancing, when done at home, takes far less weight than dynamic and
road force balancing takes in the shop because you do the job right first.
You first balance the wheel and then you balance the tire on the wheel.
Then you drive it, and if there's no vibration, they're balanced.
There's no such thing as imperceptible wheel or tire vibration.
Just like there's no such thing as a weed that a lawn mower can't see.
The vibration thing is an imaginary boogeyman.
Hunter created it. Read their literature on how to sell the service.
They tell the technicians to scare the crap out of you on vibration.
It's a scam to sell services which aren't needed almost all the time.
Sure, a bad tire comes off the lot every once in a while.
With electronics today, it's a lot less than Hunter would have you think.
There's no excuse for not balancing your tires in your own garage.
Unless you can't find a flat spot that is a foot and a half wide, that is.
It's only people who don't want to do the job who make up crazy excuses.
They shouldn't be on this ng if they have to make up excuses like that.
Michael
Apr 30, 2023, 3:26:58 PM4/30/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 12:44:12 -0600, Gronk wrote:
>> I've noticed the people who have never done something tend to be over
>> optimistic.
>
> People promoting it often make it sound a little bit easier than it is.
> People deprecating it always make it sound a lot harder than it really is.
>
> Usually they're just justifying why _they_ would never do home repairs.
> You have to wonder why they are on a home repair newsgroup after all.
It's quick.
>> I've noticed the people who have never done something tend to be over
>> optimistic.
>
> People promoting it often make it sound a little bit easier than it is.
> People deprecating it always make it sound a lot harder than it really is.
>
> Usually they're just justifying why _they_ would never do home repairs.
> You have to wonder why they are on a home repair newsgroup after all.
It's easy.
It's safe.
It's effective.
Just like putting on a condom.
If you don't want to wear a condom, you'll come up with reasons why not.
Same here.
The only ones worried about it are those who don't like doing the job.
I've done it. Many times. It's easy. Most of the time. You'll never fail.
I've made every mistake you can make and I corrected every one by now.
Although there are still a few handy tools I haven't gotten around to
buying, mostly because the tools I have haven't failed me on any tire.
However, the smaller the tire, the easier it is.
Also the lower the load range, the easier it is.
I've done from econobox tires to LT tires with that HF tire mounting kit.
Ask me any questions you want.
Anyone saying it's difficult has never done it.
Anyone saying it takes too much time has never done it.
Anyone saying it's too dangerous has a low tolerance for danger.
It's kind of like when people say making your own salad dressing is hard.
They say you can't make soup or you'll end up poisoning the whole family.
If you want to do it, you'll experiment & buy the tools & learn the steps.
If you don't want to do it, you'll make up any reason why you can't do it.
It's no different than anything else.
Like welding, or jumping out of airplanes, or fixing your own sprinklers.
If someone wants to do it, it's easy to do (doesn't take special skills).
If someone hates to do it, they'll come up with all sorts of reasons, but
you know they're fibbing when they bring up danger or that you can't do it
right - as that's just their excuse for why they don't like doing it.
If they're that afraid, they should lock up all the doors & windows and
stay home with the shades drawn and a loaded shotgun and pistol too.
The rest of us just do it.
Ask me any question you want.
I've done it many times.
Never failed even once.
--
[I filter out Google Groups posts so if I don't reply, that may be why.]
Ed P
Apr 30, 2023, 3:33:27 PM4/30/23
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Few here can justify the cost of equipment to do it properly.
In the past 8 years I bought 4 tires, had one repaired. No way I can
justify buying the equipment and doing the labor. It would be a big
loss compared to investing that money and paying labor as needed.
Just because you can, does not mean you should.
micky
Apr 30, 2023, 3:46:21 PM4/30/23
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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 30 Apr 2023 08:49:40 -0500, AMuzi
<a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>OP said:
>> I'm wondering if it's worth it to buy a "tire press" or whatever it takes
>> to change a tire (I have a small portable compressor already) at home.
They sell for maybe 70 or 100 dollars simple metal lever machines to
break the bead and remove a tire from a rim, but tire beads are a lot
stiffer than they were in the 1930's, you'll be worn out maybe even
before you've finished one tire, and you'll never see a tire shop using
a manual version. The pneumatic versions are as big as a short washing
machine and cost, I'm sure, 1000 dollars or more. Plus you need a good
source of compressed air.
>> Anyone repair your own tires at home when you get a flat?
>> Is it worth the money if you can save a few tires?
>>
>
>You don't know what you don't know. I don't either.
>
>Losing a tire at speed is quite an exciting adventure which
>I hope you never experience and that makes tire repair guys
>err on the conservative side of evaluation.
Yes, for sure**
>Some tires can be safely and effectively plugged. Some
Everyone here keeps calling them plugs but there is a difference between
plugs and strings and strings have replaced plugs. Looking to see if
the web agrees with me I found
https://knowhow.napaonline.com/how-to-use-a-tire-plug-kit-the-right-way/
How to use a tire PLUG the right way, but when you look at the picture,
they're using a string, not a plug. And this is a NAPA url!! The
autoparts chain!! How come they don't know what they are called.
The word "string" is nowhere in the article!! But plug means something
different. They were rubber, cylindrical, harder to put in, sometimes
they ripped in half when you were trying to stuff them in a small hole,
and they had to be coated by the user by what seemed like rubber cement.
They started selling strings maybe 30 years ago and maybe too many
people are too young to remmeber the distinction.
This one calls them strings:
https://www.amazon.com/Slime-2040-A-Tire-Plug-Kit/dp/B000ET9SAA/ref=asc_df_B000ET9SAA/
>cannot. There's judgement involved in that decision based on
>similar prior experience.
**And you're right about high-speed blowouts, adventurous to say the
least, but I still like to tell this story. I had driven all day so I
asked a friend to drive when we went out for another hour, and we took
my car, a full-size Catalina. She owned a VW bug and when we got back
to her apartment, she drove head in and rammed the curb with my right
front tire. The next morning, I'm passing a semi at 65mph and I hear
a bang. It blew out where she hit the curb. I slowed down and pulled
over, but the car itself never missed a beat. I was amazed and I don't
expect such good luck again.
<a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>OP said:
>> I'm wondering if it's worth it to buy a "tire press" or whatever it takes
>> to change a tire (I have a small portable compressor already) at home.
They sell for maybe 70 or 100 dollars simple metal lever machines to
break the bead and remove a tire from a rim, but tire beads are a lot
stiffer than they were in the 1930's, you'll be worn out maybe even
before you've finished one tire, and you'll never see a tire shop using
a manual version. The pneumatic versions are as big as a short washing
machine and cost, I'm sure, 1000 dollars or more. Plus you need a good
source of compressed air.
>> Anyone repair your own tires at home when you get a flat?
>> Is it worth the money if you can save a few tires?
>>
>
>You don't know what you don't know. I don't either.
>
>Losing a tire at speed is quite an exciting adventure which
>I hope you never experience and that makes tire repair guys
>err on the conservative side of evaluation.
Yes, for sure**
>Some tires can be safely and effectively plugged. Some
Everyone here keeps calling them plugs but there is a difference between
plugs and strings and strings have replaced plugs. Looking to see if
the web agrees with me I found
https://knowhow.napaonline.com/how-to-use-a-tire-plug-kit-the-right-way/
How to use a tire PLUG the right way, but when you look at the picture,
they're using a string, not a plug. And this is a NAPA url!! The
autoparts chain!! How come they don't know what they are called.
The word "string" is nowhere in the article!! But plug means something
different. They were rubber, cylindrical, harder to put in, sometimes
they ripped in half when you were trying to stuff them in a small hole,
and they had to be coated by the user by what seemed like rubber cement.
They started selling strings maybe 30 years ago and maybe too many
people are too young to remmeber the distinction.
This one calls them strings:
https://www.amazon.com/Slime-2040-A-Tire-Plug-Kit/dp/B000ET9SAA/ref=asc_df_B000ET9SAA/
>cannot. There's judgement involved in that decision based on
>similar prior experience.
**And you're right about high-speed blowouts, adventurous to say the
least, but I still like to tell this story. I had driven all day so I
asked a friend to drive when we went out for another hour, and we took
my car, a full-size Catalina. She owned a VW bug and when we got back
to her apartment, she drove head in and rammed the curb with my right
front tire. The next morning, I'm passing a semi at 65mph and I hear
a bang. It blew out where she hit the curb. I slowed down and pulled
over, but the car itself never missed a beat. I was amazed and I don't
expect such good luck again.
Michael
Apr 30, 2023, 3:50:24 PM4/30/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 15:33:23 -0400, Ed P wrote:
> Few here can justify the cost of equipment to do it properly.
I've done the job of mounting, balancing & patching many times.
> Few here can justify the cost of equipment to do it properly.
The "properly" part is trivial. So is the cost of the equipment.
To do it properly takes only your ability to learn basic things.
Ask me anything you want about how to do the job properly.
See if you can find anywhere where I'm not doing it properly at home.
> In the past 8 years I bought 4 tires, had one repaired. No way I can
> justify buying the equipment and doing the labor. It would be a big
> loss compared to investing that money and paying labor as needed.
People who have no place to mount the changer, for example, can't do it.
The main justification is whether you want to do the job or not.
If you do the job, you know it's done right.
If you pay someone to do the job, it will almost always be done wrong.
But you might not care if they do some things wrong, like someone said they
have to check the lug nut torque, or the air pressure, or they scratch the
rim, or they don't mount the valve stems where they should have put them or
they didn't use a patchplug or they ripped off your wheelcovers wrong.
Whatever they can do wrong, they will do wrong because they don't give a
shit about your car or your tires or your wheels.
They're doing it for cash. Like contract soldiers.
You're doing it for yourself.
People who don't want to do it for themselves will always find a
justification of why they can't or don't want to do it for themselves.
To me, having someone do it for me is like paying them to wipe my ass.
But to others, it's like paying someone to clean up the toilet afterward.
The only thing different is the attitude of the person.
Ask me anything you want about how to do the job properly.
> Just because you can, does not mean you should.
Whether or not you want to do it is the only thing that ever matters.
It's kind of like justifying whether you should hire a landscaper or not.
If you hate trimming your roses, then you'll find reasons to hire him.
If you think you need too many tools, you'll find reasons to hire him.
If you are worried you'll get injured, you'll find reasons to hire him.
It's not a question of can you or should you pay someone to trim roses.
It's only a question of whether or not you want to do your own trimming.
Come to think of it, trimming roses probably is more difficult than
mounting and balancing passenger car and light truck tires at home.
Ask me anything you want about how to do the tire changing job properly.
(I don't know anything about how to trim rosebushes so don't ask me that.)
micky
Apr 30, 2023, 3:57:53 PM4/30/23
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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 30 Apr 2023 16:03:59 -0000 (UTC), Maxmillian
<m...@max.is.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 06:33:25 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote:
>
>> I suggest looking for a local small shop on the cheaper side of town that does
>> tires. I think you're more likely to have them be willing to do a repair versus the
>> large chain shops, etc. that are going to be overly cautious and wanting to sell
>> new tires.
Yes, indeed. The used tire store I wrote about earlier is in the center
city, Also, when an exhaust pipe broke at a joint in front of the
muffler and I went to a suburban muffler shop, all he was willing to do
was replace most of the system. I headed for downtown and found a
pretty big, nice looking garage and he welded the two pipes back
together. Let me watch, did a very good job, one full bead and then
another on top of it. It lasted as long as I had the car.
>
>What I mostly hated was all the waiting, and driving, and traffic, and
>disappointment being told in the end that they mainly wanted to sell new
>tires. Worse, they didn't have the same tread pattern but that didn't
>bother them. I don't know if it matters but I know it "could" matter
>sometimes if the tread pattern makes a difference (which you won't know
>until it's too late).
In theory the treads should match but on a dry road if you're not doing
doughnuts or wheelies, I don't think it's worth worrying about. When I
did buy two front tires, the used store had matching tires, but if he
hadn't, that would have been okay too.
>
>If I had the tire press, I would just do it my self and take the risk of my
>efforts, which is why I'm asking here on a repair & automotive tech group.
See another of my posts about that.
>> I haven't had a lot of tires that had problems over the years, but I'd
>> guess that it was about 25% could not be plugged, 75% could. It also depends on
>> what you're going to use the tire for. If it's going to be the spare, only get used
>> temporarily or never, I would be less concerned about the repair. All the ones
>> that I plugged lasted the life of the tire.
>
>Thank you for answering the question as faithfully as you could.
>Nobody else even tried to answer the question before saying what they'd do.
I didn't know we had to answer in a particular order.
>
>It seems reasonable that 1/4 of the tires that are flat "shouldn't" be
>repaired if people follow the rules rigidly (which tires shops will do).
>
>For one, I would think most tires are "driven on" for some distance after
>they're flat, either because it's a slow leak or the driver needs to get
>off the road to a safe place before changing over to the spare tire.
>
>It would be good to know how long a flat tire can be driven on before it's
>ruined. Is it 100 feet? 1 mile? More? Less? I don't know. Any idea?
One time I was dressed up and about to go to a rally for a political
candidate I was working for. And I got a flat and it was raining.
Instead of changing the tire in the rain, I drove about 1000 feet to a
garage and no doubt about it, I ruined the tire.
>Also we've all had nails/screws that are close to the edge, where I don't
>know exactly where 'too close' might be, but I'm sure a shop will be more
>conservative on that than I am for my own car (although for my wife & kids'
>cars, I'd tend to be more conservative than I am on my own vehicles).
>
>Along the same vein, glass and metal shards are problematic due to their
>shape, where the question would be at what point is the slice too big.
>
>There is also the case of multiple repairs in a tire, or a repair that is
>too close to a pre-existing repair, which tire shops must have rules on.
>
>And of course, there might be age-of-tire restrictions (anything over 3
>years, for example) or wear-bar restrictions or cracks in the sidewall.
>
>Given that a flat tire is already, by definition, a "used tire", I'm sure
>some of these factors can easily weight in on a portion of tires out there.
>
>If that portion is 1/4 of all the tires will fail, that sounds reasonable.
<m...@max.is.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 06:33:25 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote:
>
>> I suggest looking for a local small shop on the cheaper side of town that does
>> tires. I think you're more likely to have them be willing to do a repair versus the
>> large chain shops, etc. that are going to be overly cautious and wanting to sell
>> new tires.
Yes, indeed. The used tire store I wrote about earlier is in the center
city, Also, when an exhaust pipe broke at a joint in front of the
muffler and I went to a suburban muffler shop, all he was willing to do
was replace most of the system. I headed for downtown and found a
pretty big, nice looking garage and he welded the two pipes back
together. Let me watch, did a very good job, one full bead and then
another on top of it. It lasted as long as I had the car.
>
>What I mostly hated was all the waiting, and driving, and traffic, and
>disappointment being told in the end that they mainly wanted to sell new
>tires. Worse, they didn't have the same tread pattern but that didn't
>bother them. I don't know if it matters but I know it "could" matter
>sometimes if the tread pattern makes a difference (which you won't know
>until it's too late).
In theory the treads should match but on a dry road if you're not doing
doughnuts or wheelies, I don't think it's worth worrying about. When I
did buy two front tires, the used store had matching tires, but if he
hadn't, that would have been okay too.
>
>If I had the tire press, I would just do it my self and take the risk of my
>efforts, which is why I'm asking here on a repair & automotive tech group.
See another of my posts about that.
>> I haven't had a lot of tires that had problems over the years, but I'd
>> guess that it was about 25% could not be plugged, 75% could. It also depends on
>> what you're going to use the tire for. If it's going to be the spare, only get used
>> temporarily or never, I would be less concerned about the repair. All the ones
>> that I plugged lasted the life of the tire.
>
>Thank you for answering the question as faithfully as you could.
>Nobody else even tried to answer the question before saying what they'd do.
I didn't know we had to answer in a particular order.
>
>It seems reasonable that 1/4 of the tires that are flat "shouldn't" be
>repaired if people follow the rules rigidly (which tires shops will do).
>
>For one, I would think most tires are "driven on" for some distance after
>they're flat, either because it's a slow leak or the driver needs to get
>off the road to a safe place before changing over to the spare tire.
>
>It would be good to know how long a flat tire can be driven on before it's
>ruined. Is it 100 feet? 1 mile? More? Less? I don't know. Any idea?
One time I was dressed up and about to go to a rally for a political
candidate I was working for. And I got a flat and it was raining.
Instead of changing the tire in the rain, I drove about 1000 feet to a
garage and no doubt about it, I ruined the tire.
>Also we've all had nails/screws that are close to the edge, where I don't
>know exactly where 'too close' might be, but I'm sure a shop will be more
>conservative on that than I am for my own car (although for my wife & kids'
>cars, I'd tend to be more conservative than I am on my own vehicles).
>
>Along the same vein, glass and metal shards are problematic due to their
>shape, where the question would be at what point is the slice too big.
>
>There is also the case of multiple repairs in a tire, or a repair that is
>too close to a pre-existing repair, which tire shops must have rules on.
>
>And of course, there might be age-of-tire restrictions (anything over 3
>years, for example) or wear-bar restrictions or cracks in the sidewall.
>
>Given that a flat tire is already, by definition, a "used tire", I'm sure
>some of these factors can easily weight in on a portion of tires out there.
>
>If that portion is 1/4 of all the tires will fail, that sounds reasonable.
Scott Lurndal
Apr 30, 2023, 3:59:02 PM4/30/23
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John Robertson <sp...@flippers.com> writes:
>Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>
>What does WD-40 do that Jesus' own miracle water doesn't do?
Water Displacement, Formula #40. It's not a lubricant, sealer
or rust preventer.
>Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>
>What does WD-40 do that Jesus' own miracle water doesn't do?
Water Displacement, Formula #40. It's not a lubricant, sealer
or rust preventer.
Scott Lurndal
Apr 30, 2023, 4:00:00 PM4/30/23
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=?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZSDinIU=?= <@.> writes:
>On 4/30/2023 12:41 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> https://patents.justia.com/patent/4501825
>>> A novel tire sealant and inflator composition comprising a resin, a
>>> latex sealant, alkylene glycol, fibers, an alkanolamine, a foaming
>>> agent, and water. The composition is packaged in aerosol cans with a
>>> chlorofluorocarbon propellant/inflator and used to seal and inflate
>>> punctured tires. The composition is applied to the punctured tire
>>> through the valve stem, and acts to seal the puncture and inflate the
>>> tire sufficiently to support the weight of the car.
>> That patent was from 1984. Chlorofluorocarbons have been banned for
>> thirty years.
>On 4/30/2023 12:41 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> https://patents.justia.com/patent/4501825
>>> A novel tire sealant and inflator composition comprising a resin, a
>>> latex sealant, alkylene glycol, fibers, an alkanolamine, a foaming
>>> agent, and water. The composition is packaged in aerosol cans with a
>>> chlorofluorocarbon propellant/inflator and used to seal and inflate
>>> punctured tires. The composition is applied to the punctured tire
>>> through the valve stem, and acts to seal the puncture and inflate the
>>> tire sufficiently to support the weight of the car.
>> That patent was from 1984. Chlorofluorocarbons have been banned for
>> thirty years.
>
>CFC has been replaced by another environmentally friendly refrigerant. I
>am sure there are other nonflammable propellant out there. Helium may be
>a good candidate. I can buy a small tank of helium from party-stores to
>inflate balloons.
Have you tried lately? Helium is in short supply.
>CFC has been replaced by another environmentally friendly refrigerant. I
>am sure there are other nonflammable propellant out there. Helium may be
>a good candidate. I can buy a small tank of helium from party-stores to
>inflate balloons.
Michael
Apr 30, 2023, 4:14:17 PM4/30/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 15:46:17 -0400, micky wrote:
> They sell for maybe 70 or 100 dollars simple metal lever machines to
> break the bead and remove a tire from a rim, but tire beads are a lot
> stiffer than they were in the 1930's, you'll be worn out maybe even
> before you've finished one tire, and you'll never see a tire shop using
> a manual version.
You said two things right and one thing wrong.
> They sell for maybe 70 or 100 dollars simple metal lever machines to
> break the bead and remove a tire from a rim, but tire beads are a lot
> stiffer than they were in the 1930's, you'll be worn out maybe even
> before you've finished one tire, and you'll never see a tire shop using
> a manual version.
It's just loony that you think it takes some kind of special strength.
It doesn't take unusual strength that any normal man doesn't have.
That's what the fulcrum leverage is for.
If you have strength to lift a tire off the ground, that's all you need.
> The pneumatic versions are as big as a short washing
> machine and cost, I'm sure, 1000 dollars or more.
The professional machines are designed to save the mechanic's time.
they're also designed to be used by someone who isn't all that smart.
And to be used after a lot of training.
But also to be used without supervision.
And yet to have as much safety and speed as is possible.
And to work on many sizes of tires. For thousands of tires a year.
And to be quick & easy to repair when/if the machine suddenly breaks down.
And... and... and... and....and...and... (the list goes on and on).
The point is that you can't compare something like a $100K alignment
machine to a $5 protractor and plumb bob when both have the same accuracy.
They're completely different tools because their goals are different.
> Plus you need a good source of compressed air.
If you don't have a compressor that can fill a passenger car tire or light
truck tire with air, then you bought the wrong air compressor. Return it.
>>Losing a tire at speed is quite an exciting adventure which
>>I hope you never experience and that makes tire repair guys
>>err on the conservative side of evaluation.
>
> Yes, for sure**
It's like saying you shouldn't mow your lawn because losing a lawnmower
blade at speed is quite an exciting adventure. It's just ridiculous.
It's no less safe to mount & balance or patch your own tires at home than
it is to pay someone else to mount & balance or patch your tires in a shop.
If you think it is, you'd better justify why as it's an absurd statement.
> Everyone here keeps calling them plugs but there is a difference between
> plugs and strings and strings have replaced plugs. Looking to see if
> the web agrees with me I found
> https://knowhow.napaonline.com/how-to-use-a-tire-plug-kit-the-right-way/
> How to use a tire PLUG the right way, but when you look at the picture,
> they're using a string, not a plug. And this is a NAPA url!! The
> autoparts chain!! How come they don't know what they are called.
https://www.amazon.com/ZERINT-TP-M13W-Combination-Repair-Wrapped/dp/B08LPQV2DR/
I try to buy the smallest kit that I think I'll need so that they're fresh.
> The word "string" is nowhere in the article!! But plug means something
> different. They were rubber, cylindrical, harder to put in, sometimes
> they ripped in half when you were trying to stuff them in a small hole,
> and they had to be coated by the user by what seemed like rubber cement.
> They started selling strings maybe 30 years ago and maybe too many
> people are too young to remmeber the distinction.
>
> This one calls them strings:
> https://www.amazon.com/Slime-2040-A-Tire-Plug-Kit/dp/B000ET9SAA/
You'll find different types of kits depending on the type of search.
This, for example, nets you homeowner garbage tire patch kits.
https://www.amazon.ca/Tire-Patch-Kit/s?k=Tire+Patch+Kit
Those homeowner kits work, but these are more for the pros to use.
https://www.amazon.com/Tire-plug-patch/s?k=Tire+plug+and+patch
> **And you're right about high-speed blowouts, adventurous to say the
> least, but I still like to tell this story. I had driven all day so I
> asked a friend to drive when we went out for another hour, and we took
> my car, a full-size Catalina. She owned a VW bug and when we got back
> to her apartment, she drove head in and rammed the curb with my right
> front tire. The next morning, I'm passing a semi at 65mph and I hear
> a bang. It blew out where she hit the curb. I slowed down and pulled
> over, but the car itself never missed a beat. I was amazed and I don't
> expect such good luck again.
WTF? What happened!!!!! I pull over, and the smoke is gone. WTF?
Turns out it was the bottom of a hill. The driver's brakes overheated.
He pulled over to let them cool down. The moment I passed them, the heat
blew out one of their inside tires. That was the bank and instant smoke.
Regarding mounting and balancing tires at home for your car or light truck,
there's no more danger than there would be if someone did it in the shop.
Ask me anything you want to know about mounting & balancing tires at home.
I've done it many times.
Maxmillian
Apr 30, 2023, 4:22:42 PM4/30/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 15:57:49 -0400, micky wrote:
> I drove about 1000 feet to a
> garage and no doubt about it, I ruined the tire.
That's the part I was wondering about the most.
> I drove about 1000 feet to a
> garage and no doubt about it, I ruined the tire.
How long can you drive on a flat before the tire is ruined?
If it's only 1,000 feet, I'll bet a lot of tires have that on them because
you have to get out of the traffic and find a safe spot to park the car.
Peeler
Apr 30, 2023, 4:29:47 PM4/30/23
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On 30 Apr 2023 18:20:43 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> Very few of the videos show when the project turns to shit. You know, when
> your entire vocabulary has been pruned down to 'Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!' as you
> beat on the tire with a 5lb hammer trying to get the fucking bead to seat.
>
> I've noticed the people who have never done something tend to be over
> optimistic.
LOL Yet more drama from the resident notorious drama queen!
--
And yet another idiotic "cool" line, this time about the UK, from the
resident bigmouthed all-American superhero:
"You could dump the entire 93,628 square miles in eastern Montana and only
the prairie dogs would notice."
MID: <ka2vrl...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> Very few of the videos show when the project turns to shit. You know, when
> your entire vocabulary has been pruned down to 'Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!' as you
> beat on the tire with a 5lb hammer trying to get the fucking bead to seat.
>
> I've noticed the people who have never done something tend to be over
> optimistic.
--
And yet another idiotic "cool" line, this time about the UK, from the
resident bigmouthed all-American superhero:
"You could dump the entire 93,628 square miles in eastern Montana and only
the prairie dogs would notice."
MID: <ka2vrl...@mid.individual.net>
Peeler
Apr 30, 2023, 4:31:35 PM4/30/23
to
On 30 Apr 2023 18:40:40 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
sure quite a few psychiatrists have tried to do so. LOL
--
More of the resident senile gossip's absolutely idiotic endless blather
about herself:
"My family and I traveled cross country in '52, going out on the northern
route and returning mostly on Rt 66. We also traveled quite a bit as the
interstates were being built. It might have been slower but it was a lot
more interesting. Even now I prefer what William Least Heat-Moon called
the blue highways but it's difficult. Around here there are remnants of
the Mullan Road as frontage roads but I-90 was laid over most of it so
there is no continuous route. So far 93 hasn't been destroyed."
MID: <kae9iv...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> I've repaired my own vehicles for the last 60 years, including rebuilding
> engines and transmissions. When it comes to tubeless tires, I let someone
> else do it. I'll do tube types.
So far, nobody seems to have been able to fix your big mouth, though I'm
> engines and transmissions. When it comes to tubeless tires, I let someone
> else do it. I'll do tube types.
sure quite a few psychiatrists have tried to do so. LOL
--
More of the resident senile gossip's absolutely idiotic endless blather
about herself:
"My family and I traveled cross country in '52, going out on the northern
route and returning mostly on Rt 66. We also traveled quite a bit as the
interstates were being built. It might have been slower but it was a lot
more interesting. Even now I prefer what William Least Heat-Moon called
the blue highways but it's difficult. Around here there are remnants of
the Mullan Road as frontage roads but I-90 was laid over most of it so
there is no continuous route. So far 93 hasn't been destroyed."
MID: <kae9iv...@mid.individual.net>
Peeler
Apr 30, 2023, 4:42:18 PM4/30/23
to
On 30 Apr 2023 18:36:47 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
twin brother, bigmouthed Stumpie, won't! LOL
--
Yet more of the very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
"I save my fries quota for one of the local food trucks that offers
poutine every now and then. If you're going for a coronary might as well
do it right."
MID: <ivdi4g...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
But you will NEVER realize what's wrong with you, just like your hero and
twin brother, bigmouthed Stumpie, won't! LOL
--
Yet more of the very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
"I save my fries quota for one of the local food trucks that offers
poutine every now and then. If you're going for a coronary might as well
do it right."
MID: <ivdi4g...@mid.individual.net>
Peeler
Apr 30, 2023, 4:50:46 PM4/30/23
to
On 30 Apr 2023 19:02:58 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
doubt it.
--
Yet more of the abnormal senile gossiping by the resident senile gossip:
"I never understood how they made a living but the space where the local
party store was is now up for lease. It probably was more than helium. I
often walk over the the adjacent market to get something for dinner and
people stuffing balloons in their cars was a common sight. No more. I've
no idea if there is another store in town."
MID: <kafs2nF...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> I carry a breaker bar
I wonder whether there's a bar that could break your big mouth. I almost
doubt it.
--
Yet more of the abnormal senile gossiping by the resident senile gossip:
"I never understood how they made a living but the space where the local
party store was is now up for lease. It probably was more than helium. I
often walk over the the adjacent market to get something for dinner and
people stuffing balloons in their cars was a common sight. No more. I've
no idea if there is another store in town."
MID: <kafs2nF...@mid.individual.net>
Peeler
Apr 30, 2023, 4:51:51 PM4/30/23
to
On 30 Apr 2023 18:58:14 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
--
More of the resident bigmouth's usual idiotic babble and gossip:
I'm not saying my father and uncle wouldn't have drank Genesee beer
without Miss Genny but it certainly didn't hurt. Stanton's was the
hometown brewery but it closed in '50. There was a Schaefer brewery in
Albany but their product was considered a step up from cat piss.
My preference was Rheingold on tap"
MID: <k9mnmm...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> And then they invented donuts... The space for the donut in my Toyota
> isn't large enough for a real spare tire.
Try the space in your mouth...
> isn't large enough for a real spare tire.
--
More of the resident bigmouth's usual idiotic babble and gossip:
I'm not saying my father and uncle wouldn't have drank Genesee beer
without Miss Genny but it certainly didn't hurt. Stanton's was the
hometown brewery but it closed in '50. There was a Schaefer brewery in
Albany but their product was considered a step up from cat piss.
My preference was Rheingold on tap"
MID: <k9mnmm...@mid.individual.net>
micky
Apr 30, 2023, 5:04:52 PM4/30/23
to
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 30 Apr 2023 09:43:51 -0800, RonTheGuy
<r...@null.invalid> wrote:
>On Apr 30, 2023, ?? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote
>(in article<news:mNw3M.1004828$S2l4....@fx12.ams1>):
>If someone doesn't want to do something, there are always excuses for why.
HOw do you know what is an excuse and what is a reason?
How do you know if a reason is WHY someone doesn't want to do something,
versus something thought of later? I plan ahead and my reasons are
reasons.
>
>I watched the videos. Doesn't look all that hard.
>
>Of course, youtube videos only show the tires that worked out well.
>But some of those videos were of some guy in his back yard, another set of
>guys in a garage, and even one was an old Asian guy in his pajamas and
>slippers in his driveway. So I doubt it's too hard if you want to do it.
>
>Same thing I tell my wife.
>So that might not work on you either. :->
I'm sure your wife woudn't work out for me.
>It seems like it's easy to do at home if you like working on your car.
>
>If you don't like working on your car, then nobody can talk you into even
I love working on my car. I almost wish it would break more often so I
could do more things. When a drug made me drowsy and I hit the curb and
had to replace the half-axle, ball joint, brake disc and one other part,
it was the most fun I had all year.
But I still don't want to remove tires from rims. It's more work than
it's worth and there are shops that have pneumatic tools that go bing,
bam, bom and it's doen. (Although I think $20 is an old price and it's
closer to 40 now.)
And I don't want to have to bolt the manual tire machine to the garage
floor.
>doing an oil change, as the main excuse people use who never did things is
>that they don't want to do them (which is a perfectly good excuse).
I did an oil change once. I even bought the constainer that lies on its
side and collects the oil. Then I had to go find someone to take the
oil. Once is enough. Now I pay someone who is all set up. It's the
same reasosn I don't make my own nails or aluminum foil.
>But this should be the type of group for people who actually like doing
>things for themselves instead of paying people to wash behind their ears.
<r...@null.invalid> wrote:
>On Apr 30, 2023, ?? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote
>(in article<news:mNw3M.1004828$S2l4....@fx12.ams1>):
>
>>> If the tire changing machine at HF costs $100 then it pays for itself the
>>> first time you need to replace 4 tires on your vehicle (at $25 per tire).
>>>
>>> If the tire changing machine at HF costs $100 then it pays for itself the
>>> first time you need to replace 4 tires on your vehicle (at $25 per tire).
>>>
>>> The ability to repair your tires at home is just an added convenience.
>>
>>
>> I love to fix many different things at home, but I have an aversion to
>> prying open car tires myself, especially when it is a lot of work, and
>> not expensive to pay others to do it.
>
>My wife uses that exact same excuse on me all the time. :->
>> prying open car tires myself, especially when it is a lot of work, and
>> not expensive to pay others to do it.
>
>If someone doesn't want to do something, there are always excuses for why.
HOw do you know what is an excuse and what is a reason?
How do you know if a reason is WHY someone doesn't want to do something,
versus something thought of later? I plan ahead and my reasons are
reasons.
>
>I watched the videos. Doesn't look all that hard.
>
>Of course, youtube videos only show the tires that worked out well.
>But some of those videos were of some guy in his back yard, another set of
>guys in a garage, and even one was an old Asian guy in his pajamas and
>slippers in his driveway. So I doubt it's too hard if you want to do it.
>
>Same thing I tell my wife.
>So that might not work on you either. :->
I'm sure your wife woudn't work out for me.
>It seems like it's easy to do at home if you like working on your car.
>
>If you don't like working on your car, then nobody can talk you into even
I love working on my car. I almost wish it would break more often so I
could do more things. When a drug made me drowsy and I hit the curb and
had to replace the half-axle, ball joint, brake disc and one other part,
it was the most fun I had all year.
But I still don't want to remove tires from rims. It's more work than
it's worth and there are shops that have pneumatic tools that go bing,
bam, bom and it's doen. (Although I think $20 is an old price and it's
closer to 40 now.)
And I don't want to have to bolt the manual tire machine to the garage
floor.
>doing an oil change, as the main excuse people use who never did things is
>that they don't want to do them (which is a perfectly good excuse).
I did an oil change once. I even bought the constainer that lies on its
side and collects the oil. Then I had to go find someone to take the
oil. Once is enough. Now I pay someone who is all set up. It's the
same reasosn I don't make my own nails or aluminum foil.
>But this should be the type of group for people who actually like doing
>things for themselves instead of paying people to wash behind their ears.
>
>Ron, the humblest guy in town.
Humble, I don't think so.
>Ron, the humblest guy in town.
Cindy Hamilton
Apr 30, 2023, 5:17:34 PM4/30/23
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mine is slung underneath, between the rear tires (IIRC). The last
time I had a flat, I called AAA. The guy nearly burst a vein trying
to get the tire out from under the vehicle. What a stupid design.
--
Cindy Hamilton
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 6:09:15 PM4/30/23
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On 4/30/2023 12:31 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> John Robertson <sp...@flippers.com> wrote:
>> On 2023/04/30 2:37 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>
>>> But the real reason why tire guys hate the stuff is that the propellant
>>> is explosive and can ignite if a spark occurs.
>> Do you bullshit on purpose because you want to sound like you know
>> something? Or do you actually believe the bullshit that you just said?
> I just read the warning on the can. If you don't believe it you can take
> it up with them.
> --scott
>
This is exactly the one I bought from Walmart Canada. The description
clearly says it is non-flammable. And I have just found the empty bottle
to read the ingredient. The propellant is nitrogen.
Slime 60184 Thru-Core Tire Sealant, TPMS Safe, 454g , Green
https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/tire-sealant-thru-core-green/6000198759771
• New Thru-Core Technology means there is no need to remove the valve core
• Seals punctures up to 1/4" in seconds
• Sealant tested and approved by leading automakers
• No jack or tools required
• Safe and easy
• Great for use in an emergency
• TPMS safe
• Non-toxic and non-hazardous
• Non-flammable
• Non-corrosive, making it safe for finished metal wheels
• Environmentally friendly and cleans up with water
• Requires air
• Effective under extreme temperatures (from -37°C to 83°F).
The Canadiantire.ca website has the photo of the complete backside of
the bottle (the photo in the middle). It lists the ingredients as
"water, SBL rubber, modified rosins, glycerol, and nitrogen propellant.
https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/slime-thru-core-tire-sealant-emergency-flat-tire-repair-454-g-0097000p.html
> John Robertson <sp...@flippers.com> wrote:
>> On 2023/04/30 2:37 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>
>>> But the real reason why tire guys hate the stuff is that the propellant
>>> is explosive and can ignite if a spark occurs.
>> Do you bullshit on purpose because you want to sound like you know
>> something? Or do you actually believe the bullshit that you just said?
> I just read the warning on the can. If you don't believe it you can take
> it up with them.
> --scott
>
This is exactly the one I bought from Walmart Canada. The description
clearly says it is non-flammable. And I have just found the empty bottle
to read the ingredient. The propellant is nitrogen.
Slime 60184 Thru-Core Tire Sealant, TPMS Safe, 454g , Green
https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/tire-sealant-thru-core-green/6000198759771
• New Thru-Core Technology means there is no need to remove the valve core
• Seals punctures up to 1/4" in seconds
• Sealant tested and approved by leading automakers
• No jack or tools required
• Safe and easy
• Great for use in an emergency
• TPMS safe
• Non-toxic and non-hazardous
• Non-flammable
• Non-corrosive, making it safe for finished metal wheels
• Environmentally friendly and cleans up with water
• Requires air
• Effective under extreme temperatures (from -37°C to 83°F).
The Canadiantire.ca website has the photo of the complete backside of
the bottle (the photo in the middle). It lists the ingredients as
"water, SBL rubber, modified rosins, glycerol, and nitrogen propellant.
https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/slime-thru-core-tire-sealant-emergency-flat-tire-repair-454-g-0097000p.html
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 6:12:22 PM4/30/23
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micky
Apr 30, 2023, 6:17:14 PM4/30/23
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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 30 Apr 2023 07:05:35 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
? <@.> wrote:
>On 4/30/2023 2:06 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 00:21:36 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>
>>> I had a slow leak in one of my tires for many years. Recently I bought a
>>> can of tire sealant to pump into the tire. It worked. No more slow leak.
>> They'll love you the next time you buy a tire.
>
>
>I read the description. It is water based, so it can be washed off with
>water before it hardens. I guess it works like some water-based glue. It
>will harden to seal the leak but remain liquid inside the tire. It is
>recommended by the manufacturer to have the tire professionally patched
>within 3 days
The amazon ad someone posted (you, I think) said it "must be removed".
>(I guess it is the company protecting against lawsuits). I
>read many customer comments that it stopped their slow leak. That kind
>of slow leak might be in the rim area, nothing to do with nail puncture.
>
>
? <@.> wrote:
>On 4/30/2023 2:06 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 00:21:36 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>
>>> I had a slow leak in one of my tires for many years. Recently I bought a
>>> can of tire sealant to pump into the tire. It worked. No more slow leak.
>> They'll love you the next time you buy a tire.
>
>
>I read the description. It is water based, so it can be washed off with
>water before it hardens. I guess it works like some water-based glue. It
>will harden to seal the leak but remain liquid inside the tire. It is
>recommended by the manufacturer to have the tire professionally patched
>within 3 days
The amazon ad someone posted (you, I think) said it "must be removed".
>(I guess it is the company protecting against lawsuits). I
>read many customer comments that it stopped their slow leak. That kind
>of slow leak might be in the rim area, nothing to do with nail puncture.
>
>
Bob F
Apr 30, 2023, 6:19:40 PM4/30/23
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On 4/30/2023 12:50 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> Ask me anything you want about how to do the tire changing job properly.
> (I don't know anything about how to trim rosebushes so don't ask me that.)
Does the tire changing tool have to be bolted to the floor?
>
> Ask me anything you want about how to do the tire changing job properly.
> (I don't know anything about how to trim rosebushes so don't ask me that.)
What tool do you have to balance the tires? Did you ever have problems
with getting the balance right?
What is the correct place to put the valve stem?
How long does it take you to remove the old tire and replace and balance
the new?
Bob F
Apr 30, 2023, 6:33:50 PM4/30/23
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removed the plastic cover under the engine to get to the drain bolt,
then did not bother to replace it. I looked underneath before leaving
the shop and noticed that. When I complained, they said they should have
charged me extra for removing the cover. That was the first and last
time I had someone else change my oil.
It takes less time to do it myself than to drive to a shop to get it
done, and it is way cheaper.
I have an old Rubbermaid oil drain pan that is absolutely the best. The
lid screws off. Then you drain the oil into it. Then you remove the
spout lid, and dump the oil in the pan into an empty milk jug, wipe off
the end of the spout and the top lip of the pan, replace the spout cap
and screw the lid back on. Nothing oily is exposed to mess thing up in
storage. Apparently, this one is sadly no longer available.
https://forums.quattroworld.com/s4s6/msgs/303170.phtml
Bob F
Apr 30, 2023, 6:54:42 PM4/30/23
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because of rust.
You say his is on the rear door. I assume this is not a Sienna?
Bob F
Apr 30, 2023, 6:56:28 PM4/30/23
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😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 7:07:44 PM4/30/23
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On 4/30/2023 6:17 PM, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 30 Apr 2023 07:05:35 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
> ? <@.> wrote:
>
>> On 4/30/2023 2:06 AM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 00:21:36 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had a slow leak in one of my tires for many years. Recently I bought a
>>>> can of tire sealant to pump into the tire. It worked. No more slow leak.
>>> They'll love you the next time you buy a tire.
>>
>> I read the description. It is water based, so it can be washed off with
>> water before it hardens. I guess it works like some water-based glue. It
>> will harden to seal the leak but remain liquid inside the tire. It is
>> recommended by the manufacturer to have the tire professionally patched
>> within 3 days
> The amazon ad someone posted (you, I think) said it "must be removed".
I think the company's law firm told them to say that.
> In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 30 Apr 2023 07:05:35 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe
> ? <@.> wrote:
>
>> On 4/30/2023 2:06 AM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 00:21:36 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had a slow leak in one of my tires for many years. Recently I bought a
>>>> can of tire sealant to pump into the tire. It worked. No more slow leak.
>>> They'll love you the next time you buy a tire.
>>
>> I read the description. It is water based, so it can be washed off with
>> water before it hardens. I guess it works like some water-based glue. It
>> will harden to seal the leak but remain liquid inside the tire. It is
>> recommended by the manufacturer to have the tire professionally patched
>> within 3 days
> The amazon ad someone posted (you, I think) said it "must be removed".
If you read the product reviews on the Amazon website, most of the
raving reviews are from people using it to stop slow leaks.
AMuzi
Apr 30, 2023, 7:28:16 PM4/30/23
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than molecules, even H2.
But it can be done, such as Helium charges in air bag
inflators which seem to hold a long while.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
micky
Apr 30, 2023, 8:02:12 PM4/30/23
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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 30 Apr 2023 21:17:31 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
but the well, under the trunk floor, was big enough for a full size
spare. So why did they put donuts in it?
>mine is slung underneath, between the rear tires (IIRC). The last
>time I had a flat, I called AAA. The guy nearly burst a vein trying
>to get the tire out from under the vehicle. What a stupid design.
Wow, I assumed there was some good way to get those out, but if the AAA
guy didn't know it, maybe it really is stupid.
<hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
>On 2023-04-30, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 08:59:50 -0700, Bob F wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe that's why they invented spare tires? It probably was not just to
>>> have a place to store a fixit kit.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, my AWD Sienna does not have a space for a spare tire, so
>>> it just gets stashed in the back if I carry one.
>>
>> And then they invented donuts... The space for the donut in my Toyota
>> isn't large enough for a real spare tire.
>
>Real spares on my husband's and my Toyotas. His is on the rear door;
My two Toyotas, nearly identical 2000 and 2005 Solaras, only had donuts
>On 2023-04-30, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 08:59:50 -0700, Bob F wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe that's why they invented spare tires? It probably was not just to
>>> have a place to store a fixit kit.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, my AWD Sienna does not have a space for a spare tire, so
>>> it just gets stashed in the back if I carry one.
>>
>> And then they invented donuts... The space for the donut in my Toyota
>> isn't large enough for a real spare tire.
>
>Real spares on my husband's and my Toyotas. His is on the rear door;
but the well, under the trunk floor, was big enough for a full size
spare. So why did they put donuts in it?
>mine is slung underneath, between the rear tires (IIRC). The last
>time I had a flat, I called AAA. The guy nearly burst a vein trying
>to get the tire out from under the vehicle. What a stupid design.
guy didn't know it, maybe it really is stupid.
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
Apr 30, 2023, 8:11:43 PM4/30/23
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Ed P
Apr 30, 2023, 8:43:56 PM4/30/23
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easy. Toyota had a recall about 9 years ago. I've seen in happen and
the driver did not notice.
Front wheels can come off too
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/03/27/los-angeles-freeway-accident-loose-tire-flips-car-cprog-orig-aw.cnn
Michael
Apr 30, 2023, 9:47:38 PM4/30/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 15:19:32 -0700, Bob F wrote:
> Does the tire changing tool have to be bolted to the floor?
Absolutely. I drilled holes in a cement walkway out back.
> Does the tire changing tool have to be bolted to the floor?
The original plan was to use bolts so that I could remove it at will.
I never removed it and the red has weathered to a nice rosebush pink.
> What tool do you have to balance the tires?
And maybe even bubble levels for all I know.
HF sells a lovely aluminum and steel tire sized bubble level.
HF sells only the stick on weights though.
So you have to buy clamp on weights online.
> Did you ever have problems with getting the balance right?
You lay them on the rim while you're balancing and move them around like
checkers until you get just the right amount of weight in the right spots.
> What is the correct place to put the valve stem?
Here is the instruction for mounting for my Yokohama tires.
https://www.yokohamatire.com/tires-101/maintenance-care-1/mounting-your-tires
But most brands follow the same pattern but you should check to make sure.
Note there are match mounting marks on a new rim but usually they're gone.
> How long does it take you to remove the old tire and replace and balance
> the new?
And a beer if it's later in the afternoon. I take my sweet time doing it.
However, if you were in a race, it shouldn't take you appreciably longer or
shorter than it takes a tire shop to do it since you do the same steps.
You chock & lift the vehicle and place safety jack stands where needed.
Remove the wheel & tire assembly & remove the schrader valve inside pin.
Lubricate heavily with a spray bottle with a dab of dish soap in it.
Break the 1st bead and then flip the tire & break the 2nd bead.
Put the tire on the tire mounting stand & remove the 3rd (top) bead.
Lift the tire into the drop center & remove the 4th (bottom) bead.
Lift the tire off the stand and remove the tire valve from the rim.
Inspect the rim and clean it up if needed & look for match mount marks.
Usually they're long gone so just mount the red/yellow dots to the stem.
Pop a new stem in (the better ones are all metal and as long as you like).
Remove the schrader valve from the new valve stem.
Throw the new tire onto the rim & lubricate lightly with a spray bottle.
Set the 5th (bottom) bead by running the tire iron in a 360 degree circle.
Set the 6th (top) bead the same way - but you might need extra tire irons.
Attach a wide-open air gun rubberbanded open to the valve stem threads.
Lift the lower bead into the drop center & lift the top bead to the rim.
Fill with air until it pops. If necessary, grab the bazooka (1 out of 10).
Once it pops into place, replace the valve stem schrader valve inside pin.
Fill to 60 psi and spray soapy water checking the uniformity of the set.
Drop it back to 30 psi (or whatever you want) and remove wheel from stand.
Check that the static tire balancer bubble dot is in the center circle.
Put the tire & wheel assembly gently on the static tire balancer.
Place weights along the rim as needed & when satisfied, glue or crimp on.
Flip the wheel and do the other side but usually it's already balanced.
Place the wheel & tire on the vehicle & torque to the manufacturer specs.
Take it for a test drive. You're not going to get vibration.
If you get vibration (you won't), then take it to Costco who will charge
five dollars to balance any wheel/tire even one that they didn't do.
Not counting the test drive, it will take you as long as you want it to.
The only hard beads are the 1st bead and the 6th bead. The rest are easy.
Maybe a half hour if that's all you do but normally I take my time while I
have the wheels off. Normally I rotate them. And I check the brakes.
It's pretty safe that if that's all you did, and hour would be plenty.
That's not counting the shower you'll want to take after blowing all the
brake dust out and washing your clothes and putting all the tools away.
Anybody, even the first time they do it, can do it in an hour, although
you'll find in the beginning you need to make some special tools that make
your life easier (like a way to blow air into the tire to set the bead).
You need to know basic anatomy like where is the drop center for your rim.
https://www.liveabout.com/wheel-anatomy-201-beads-and-flanges-3234479
And you'll find a few specialized cheap hand tools make the job easier.
After a while, you put a kit together with all the necessary tools in it.
RonTheGuy
Apr 30, 2023, 11:36:33 PM4/30/23
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On Apr 30, 2023, Bob F wrote
(in article<news:u2mqca$3q7ib$1...@dont-email.me>):
> It takes less time to do it myself than to drive to a shop to get it
> done, and it is way cheaper.
+1
If you count the total time and cost, having someone else do your oil
change will never be better than just doing your own oil changes at home.
Better oil. Quicker change. Better filter. Better gaskets (if any).
Better overall in every way.
If someone has an excuse not to change their own oil, it's just an excuse.
(in article<news:u2mqca$3q7ib$1...@dont-email.me>):
> It takes less time to do it myself than to drive to a shop to get it
> done, and it is way cheaper.
If you count the total time and cost, having someone else do your oil
change will never be better than just doing your own oil changes at home.
Better oil. Quicker change. Better filter. Better gaskets (if any).
Better overall in every way.
If someone has an excuse not to change their own oil, it's just an excuse.
Ed P
Apr 30, 2023, 11:49:52 PM4/30/23
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is the difference between the dealer Mobile 1 and my Mobile 1?
As for quicker, depends. I pass a reputable shop a few times a week and
they are faster than I am. If I drove over just for that reason yes.
Please explain your illusion.
As for excuses, at my age I no longer crawl under cars.
RonTheGuy
May 1, 2023, 12:21:26 AM5/1/23
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On Apr 30, 2023, Ed P wrote
(in article<news:xFG3M.1671473$MVg8....@fx12.iad>):
> Why is the oil and filter better if it is the same brand? What exactly,
> is the difference between the dealer Mobile 1 and my Mobile 1?
>
> As for quicker, depends. I pass a reputable shop a few times a week and
> they are faster than I am. If I drove over just for that reason yes.
>
> Please explain your illusion.
>
> As for excuses, at my age I no longer crawl under cars.
If you don't know that you'll be putting in better oil at a lower price
than the shop can do it at, then nothing anyone says will enter your mind.
(in article<news:xFG3M.1671473$MVg8....@fx12.iad>):
> Why is the oil and filter better if it is the same brand? What exactly,
> is the difference between the dealer Mobile 1 and my Mobile 1?
>
> As for quicker, depends. I pass a reputable shop a few times a week and
> they are faster than I am. If I drove over just for that reason yes.
>
> Please explain your illusion.
>
> As for excuses, at my age I no longer crawl under cars.
than the shop can do it at, then nothing anyone says will enter your mind.
Ed Pawlowski
May 1, 2023, 12:28:41 AM5/1/23
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but that does not make the oil better. It does no make the filter better.
Said Ron, the FOS guy in twon
rbowman
May 1, 2023, 12:37:30 AM5/1/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 21:17:31 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> Real spares on my husband's and my Toyotas. His is on the rear door;
> mine is slung underneath, between the rear tires (IIRC). The last time
> I had a flat, I called AAA. The guy nearly burst a vein trying to get
> the tire out from under the vehicle. What a stupid design.
+1 on that. My F150's spare is in sort of a cradle under the bed. I'm no
> Real spares on my husband's and my Toyotas. His is on the rear door;
> mine is slung underneath, between the rear tires (IIRC). The last time
> I had a flat, I called AAA. The guy nearly burst a vein trying to get
> the tire out from under the vehicle. What a stupid design.
90 pound weakling but it's a royal pain in the ass to get it out and even
worse to get back in.
rbowman
May 1, 2023, 12:43:42 AM5/1/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 12:59:04 -0600, Gronk wrote:
> Third hit is also $112 but that's before any promotional deals.
> https://simpletire.com/brands/cooper-tires/cs5-grand-touring
iirc, that's about what I paid at Tire-Rama -- mounted.
> Third hit is also $112 but that's before any promotional deals.
> https://simpletire.com/brands/cooper-tires/cs5-grand-touring
iirc, that's about what I paid at Tire-Rama -- mounted.
rbowman
May 1, 2023, 12:47:24 AM5/1/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 15:19:32 -0700, Bob F wrote:
> What tool do you have to balance the tires? Did you ever have problems
> with getting the balance right?
That's the nice thing about putting knobbies on my DR650. How would you
> with getting the balance right?
know if it was balanced or not?
rbowman
May 1, 2023, 12:51:30 AM5/1/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 19:47:58 -0600, Michael wrote:
> Lift the lower bead into the drop center & lift the top bead to the rim.
> Fill with air until it pops. If necessary, grab the bazooka (1 out of
> 10).
And don't forget to add the $90 bazooka to your home tire changing
> Lift the lower bead into the drop center & lift the top bead to the rim.
> Fill with air until it pops. If necessary, grab the bazooka (1 out of
> 10).
station. It's that 1 in 10 where you need a sledge hammer to break the
bead and a bazooka to seat it that turns it into a 5 hour pain in the ass.
rbowman
May 1, 2023, 12:53:36 AM5/1/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 11:04:46 -0700, Bob F wrote:
> The hand powered tire changer probably needs to be bolted to the floor
> to work well.
Be sort of amusing if it wasn't. Of course that assumes you have a floor
to bolt it to, or space in the garage.
> The hand powered tire changer probably needs to be bolted to the floor
> to work well.
Be sort of amusing if it wasn't. Of course that assumes you have a floor
to bolt it to, or space in the garage.
Bob F
May 1, 2023, 12:59:50 AM5/1/23
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2x6 laid with the end almost to the outside of the rim would not pop it
loose.
Bob F
May 1, 2023, 1:05:47 AM5/1/23
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Clearly, if you live in a small apartment, storing tools makes things
more difficult.
rbowman
May 1, 2023, 1:42:42 AM5/1/23
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 13:54:15 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> One 16g CO2 cartridge may not be enough to fill a flat car or truck
> tire. Topping up, maybe.
The 12g version won't fully inflate a mountain bike tire. otoh, 12g Daisy
cartridges are a lot easier to find and cheaper than the 16g version.
> One 16g CO2 cartridge may not be enough to fill a flat car or truck
> tire. Topping up, maybe.
The 12g version won't fully inflate a mountain bike tire. otoh, 12g Daisy
cartridges are a lot easier to find and cheaper than the 16g version.
😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅
May 1, 2023, 3:17:34 AM5/1/23
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Thread at the tip of the cartridge is the easiest way to attach a
cartridge onto a device. That's what makes the CO2 tire inflators so
compact. The inflator attachment is smaller than the CO2 cartridge.
This is similar to what I have. Look at the photos and video. It is
really compact.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003M2PNGY
Peeler
May 1, 2023, 4:02:30 AM5/1/23
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On 1 May 2023 04:51:26 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> And don't forget to add the $90 bazooka to your home tire changing
> station. It's that 1 in 10 where you need a sledge hammer to break the
> bead and a bazooka to seat it that turns it into a 5 hour pain in the ass.
Oh, a kingdom for a sledge hammer ...to handle your big gob with!
--
Yet another thrilling account from the resident senile superhero's senile
life:
"I went to a Driveby Truckers concert at a local venue and they made me
leave my knife in the car. Never went back. Come to think of it the Truckers
had a Black Lives Matter banner. Never bought any of their music again
either."
MID: <k84ip9...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> And don't forget to add the $90 bazooka to your home tire changing
> station. It's that 1 in 10 where you need a sledge hammer to break the
> bead and a bazooka to seat it that turns it into a 5 hour pain in the ass.
--
Yet another thrilling account from the resident senile superhero's senile
life:
"I went to a Driveby Truckers concert at a local venue and they made me
leave my knife in the car. Never went back. Come to think of it the Truckers
had a Black Lives Matter banner. Never bought any of their music again
either."
MID: <k84ip9...@mid.individual.net>
Peeler
May 1, 2023, 4:04:06 AM5/1/23
to
On 1 May 2023 04:47:18 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
and notorious gossip always is!
--
And yet another "cool" line from the resident bigmouthed all-American
superhero:
"I was working on the roof when the cat came up the ladder to see what I
was doing. Cats do not do well going down aluminum ladders."
MID: <k9rosh...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> That's the nice thing about putting knobbies on my DR650. How would you
> know if it was balanced or not?
How do I know that you are unbalanced, senile bigmouth? Well, EVERY bigmouth
> know if it was balanced or not?
and notorious gossip always is!
--
And yet another "cool" line from the resident bigmouthed all-American
superhero:
"I was working on the roof when the cat came up the ladder to see what I
was doing. Cats do not do well going down aluminum ladders."
MID: <k9rosh...@mid.individual.net>
Peeler
May 1, 2023, 4:06:39 AM5/1/23
to
On 1 May 2023 04:53:32 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
--
And yet another idiotic "cool" line, this time about the UK, from the
resident bigmouthed all-American superhero:
"You could dump the entire 93,628 square miles in eastern Montana and only
the prairie dogs would notice."
MID: <ka2vrl...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> Be sort of amusing if it wasn't. Of course that assumes you have a floor
> to bolt it to, or space in the garage.
What about the space in your big mouth? LOL
> to bolt it to, or space in the garage.
--
And yet another idiotic "cool" line, this time about the UK, from the
resident bigmouthed all-American superhero:
"You could dump the entire 93,628 square miles in eastern Montana and only
the prairie dogs would notice."
MID: <ka2vrl...@mid.individual.net>
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