Phil Barkdoll is a piece of trash
Majin Boo
Im usually not one to get personal about things.. or to bash people
directly, not just their driving ability (or lack of) But this one
definately deserves it. Phil Barkdoll, what a piece of work. Last year,
on ESPN2, he said that it was his dream to start in the Daytona 500
again, after overcoming cancer and all that. I think that got us all
supporting him again, especially his line "i cant win the race, but i
will still love it" or some bs like that. He didn't make it last year.
Now, this year, he makes it, and sells his spot? WHAT THE HELL? What ever
happened to "racing in the biggest race of the sport you love", Philly?
This is bs, and Phil Barkdoll personally sickens me. He does not belong
in NASCAR racing. Seeing Ricky Craven and Dale Earnhardt on the verge of
tears when having to leave their cars at Sears Point and Indy, Dale and
Ricky are supposed to be the guys who are selfish and race for money and
the "big names". Phil Barkdoll gives a bad name to all of the little guys
in racing. And to sell it to a piece of crap like Felix Sabates is
another thing. BooHoo, your sponsor made tents. Maybe you should have
thought about that when you prepared this whole thing. I'd much rather
see Larry Pearson in the race. i dont like Larry, but he actually
DESERVES to be in the race, to try to get a sponsor. Now, Larry has to go
home, and it looks like Bud Moore is closing shop. What a great growth
this sport has had, eh?
-Someone who wouldnt sell a Daytona 500 starting spot for his life.
Jim Bedwell
Majin Boo <maji...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Im usually not one to get personal about things..
I really don't mind if you want to be an ignorant dumbass, but, I'd
appreciate it if you'd just keep it to yourself!
Majin Boo
hey now. I raised some really good points there. And what makes me
ignorant? What am I ignorant of? Barkdolls lack of respect for the sport
or Nemecheks lack of driving? If you disagree with what im saying, id say
that makes you an "ignorant dumbass". How many teams have sold their spot
in the super bowl to someone else? How many world series? How many in the
NBA? How many Stanley Cup? I consider Phil trash for what he did. He
fooled us all, and he made everyone in the sport suffer, except maybe Joe
Nemechek.
Wags
What you people dont seem to understand is Phil spent over 1 million
dollars last year, and did not even make the Datona 500. So what the
hell would you do if you were offered more money to not run the race,
then you would make if you finish the Datona. Plus Phil doesnt try to
make any other race in the season usually, except for Datona. So all
you people get off his back, and put yourself in his shoes.
P.S. my maiden name is Barkdoll
--
_____________________
Jeff and Tammy Wagner
ja...@proaxis.com
dmac...@usit.net
Majin Boo <maji...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Im usually not one to get personal about things.. or to bash people
>directly, not just their driving ability (or lack of) But this one
>definately deserves it. Phil Barkdoll, what a piece of work. Last year,
>on ESPN2, he said that it was his dream to start in the Daytona 500
Well I saw him in his interview and he was just elated to be in the
field. Now FELIX had done alot of favors for him. Phil had a geat deal
come his way. He would prob been last but he has a chance to help
FS out and make a 100K.. Id say it was a smart move FS wont forget
what he did..
dmac
Majin Boo
I didn't say it wasnt a smart move. He's got bucks in his pocket, he
still has his pride, i guess. But still.. selling out your spot in the
500? No matter what the circumstances are, I just dont think its right..
maybe, if you want to do felix a favor, put the sponsor on the car, and
run Phil. Or, let Nemechek start, let Phil in at the first caution, and
his Daytona dreams are still there. Felix wont forget what he did, but
whats that worth? 100K. Thats about it. Phil isnt going to run anything
else this year. He'll go for the 500 again next year probably, but if he
makes it in, he will probably sell his car again, right?
Mark Jilson - Located in beautiful Waverly
In article <33050E...@earthlink.net>,
Majin Boo <maji...@earthlink.net> writes:
|> <snipped rant>
I don't know what the big deal is here. This 'practice' has been going
on for years. There even used to be one guy that would somehow
make the race and then pull out after one lap because it paid him more to
finish last than it did to finish in the 20's and run the whole race. The
Daytona 500 is the only race anyone has a chance to race into the lineup.
As such you'll always have folks that are not competitive showing up
in hopes there will be a big wreck in their 125 and they'll finish high
enough to make the show.
--
Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY
- ji...@clarityconnect.com - Brett Bodine fan
- jil...@bss.enet.dec.com - since 1975 or so
bla...@now-online.com
ji...@clarityconnect.com (Mark Jilson - Located in beautiful Waverly)
wrote:
Barkdoll the sellout made it on his qual time no t the 125.
Wayne Mann
Wags <ja...@proaxis.com> wrote:
>Majin Boo wrote:
>>
>> Im usually not one to get personal about things.. or to bash people
>> directly, not just their driving ability (or lack of) But this one
>> definately deserves it. Phil Barkdoll, what a piece of work. Last year,
>> on ESPN2, he said that it was his dream to start in the Daytona 500
Something here doesn't sound right. You say he spent
$1 million to make the 500, and then he sells the ride after
maing itfor ONLY 1/10 of what it cost him? Why would he
spend $1 million to earn $100,ooo. Something is wrong!
\\/ayne //\ann
Hillary commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents
"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our
papers. We are the president."
James B. Stewart - Blood Sport:
Wayne Harper
|> directly, not just their driving ability (or lack of) But this one
|> definately deserves it. Phil Barkdoll, what a piece of work. Last year,
|> on ESPN2, he said that it was his dream to start in the Daytona 500
|> again, after overcoming cancer and all that. I think that got us all
|> supporting him again, especially his line "i cant win the race, but i
|> will still love it" or some bs like that. He didn't make it last year.
|> Now, this year, he makes it, and sells his spot? WHAT THE HELL? What ever
|> happened to "racing in the biggest race of the sport you love", Philly?
|> This is bs, and Phil Barkdoll personally sickens me. He does not belong
|> in NASCAR racing. Seeing Ricky Craven and Dale Earnhardt on the verge of
|> tears when having to leave their cars at Sears Point and Indy, Dale and
|> Ricky are supposed to be the guys who are selfish and race for money and
|> the "big names". Phil Barkdoll gives a bad name to all of the little guys
|> in racing. And to sell it to a piece of crap like Felix Sabates is
|> another thing. BooHoo, your sponsor made tents. Maybe you should have
|> thought about that when you prepared this whole thing. I'd much rather
|> see Larry Pearson in the race. i dont like Larry, but he actually
|> DESERVES to be in the race, to try to get a sponsor. Now, Larry has to go
|> home, and it looks like Bud Moore is closing shop. What a great growth
|> this sport has had, eh?
|>
|> -Someone who wouldnt sell a Daytona 500 starting spot for his life.
Ya know, I agree with you. Honest post. Thanks,
Wayne #3 #24 #25 Monte!
Majin Boo
Mike Carrothers wrote:
> For selling his postistion in the Day500, Phil will probably be able to race the rest of the
> season, instead of a few races. Sounds like a good deal to me.
>
> Mike
He will probably only try again at Daytona. He only runs Daytona, I dont
see why anything would change that, he has one car, no crew, and limited
funds. And, even if he did try for other races, its small probablity that
he will make one. If he does, chances are, someone will buy his spot
again.
Mike Carrothers
In article <33050E...@earthlink.net>,
Majin Boo <maji...@earthlink.net> wrote:
For selling his postistion in the Day500, Phil will probably be able to race the rest of the
Wayne Mann
Mike Carrothers <mich...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> For selling his postistion in the Day500, Phil will probably be able to race the rest of the
>season, instead of a few races. Sounds like a good deal to me.
>
>Mike
>
I don't know about this. Something is wrong.
Supposedly he sold his ride for $100,000.00. However the
minimum the last place finisher would earn was $49,000.00.
That means he actually got $51,000.00 at the most for his
spot and if he could have kept running for a while, even if
going a few laps down, it would have been much more. Then
his car was wrecked. Even if Felex fixes it, it will take a
little while to do it. Is a car that has been wreck that bad
as good as it was after being fixed? I suspect there is
more to the story, like for example, he gets whatever money
the car wins in addition to the $100K.
Scott Lamb
In article <33050E...@earthlink.net>,
Majin Boo <maji...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Im usually not one to get personal about things.. or to bash people
>directly, not just their driving ability (or lack of) But this one
>definately deserves it. Phil Barkdoll, what a piece of work. Last year,
<snippity, snip>
Well, Majin Boo get your facts straight before you go spewing
trash all over the 'net.
The fact is that PB didn't have enough money to even buy 1 set of
tires to run the 500 let alone 2 or 3, this is why he sold the ride to Felix.
Phil made the right choice, he made LOTS more money than he could
have racing and Felix got his sponsor in the race, looks like a Win/Win
situation to me.
Lambo
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scott Lamb "If you're gonna be dumb,
Kyle 44 ya gotta be tough" - anonymous
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Troy Bull
Wayne Mann <wayn...@usa.netNOSPAM> wrote in article
<332d11a9....@news.wco.com>...
> Mike Carrothers <mich...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > For selling his postistion in the Day500, Phil will probably be able to
race the rest of the
> >season, instead of a few races. Sounds like a good deal to me.
> >
> >Mike
> >
>
> I don't know about this. Something is wrong.
> Supposedly he sold his ride for $100,000.00. However the
> as good as it was after being fixed? I suspect there is
> more to the story, like for example, he gets whatever money
> the car wins in addition to the $100K.
I suspect the same thing, that being, Phil only ever races 2 or three
events, he is a nice guy and someone who wants to race the complete season
needed a ride. Nothing more, you wont see PB again until Talledega or
maybe even next year. Unless of course you want to come to Iowa and watch
for him on the 1/4 mile dirt track in his home town, Vinton Iowa.
Benton County Speedway 1/4 mile dirt
Races Every Sunday May through Labor Day
Home and Birthplace
--
Troy Bull
mailto:troy...@uni.edu
http://www.uni.edu/bull/
ICQ: 252053
The OJ Simpson jury has sent the world a message. If you kill someone in
LA, you're looking at a very stiff fine. (Maher) of the IMCA Modified
Majin Boo
Scott Lamb wrote:
>
> In article <33050E...@earthlink.net>,
> Majin Boo <maji...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >Im usually not one to get personal about things.. or to bash people
> >directly, not just their driving ability (or lack of) But this one
> >definately deserves it. Phil Barkdoll, what a piece of work. Last year,
>
> <snippity, snip>
>
> Well, Majin Boo get your facts straight before you go spewing
> trash all over the 'net.
>
> The fact is that PB didn't have enough money to even buy 1 set of
> tires to run the 500 let alone 2 or 3, this is why he sold the ride to Felix.
>
> Phil made the right choice, he made LOTS more money than he could
> have racing and Felix got his sponsor in the race, looks like a Win/Win
> situation to me.
>
> Lambo
My facts are pretty damn straight, thank you. And don't call it trash,
its my opinion, you dont have to believe it but thats no reason to not be
openminded. Now answer me this, why in the hell did Phil Barkdoll even go
to the Daytona 500 if he couldnt buy a set of tires?
Paul E. Cox
It's called fulfilling a DREAM! He is 59 years old and has recovered
from a bout with cancer. What he does with his starting position is his
business and it is none of ours.
I am open minded,but when I see a post like this I usually sent it to
the trash bin. If you were open minded then you could see that trash is
what this post was.
Azpaul <<<< 28 GO ERNIE 28 >>>>
sli...@ix.netcom.com
Tucson,Az.
Scott Lamb
In <330D76...@earthlink.net>, Majin Boo <maji...@earthlink.net> writes:
>My facts are pretty damn straight, thank you. And don't call it trash,
>its my opinion, you dont have to believe it but thats no reason to not be
>openminded. Now answer me this, why in the hell did Phil Barkdoll even go
>to the Daytona 500 if he couldnt buy a set of tires?
Good question, why did PB try to make the Daytona 500 on a shoe string
budget? Why does Delma Cowart try every year to make the show?
Because it's what they love to do.
Independent racers that put it all one the line to follow their
dreams deserve our respect, not to have there name trashed
in a public forum for making a business decision. By selling the car and the
spot to Felix, Phil probably turned a profit or at least broke even on the
deal.
As for your evaluation of Mr. Sabates, I don't blame him for finding a
way to get his sponsor into the race. Bell South has a lot of money invested
in WC racing, it's the Daytona 500 and the first race for this sponsor. I'm
sure the pressure was on both Felix and JN to get into the show. So Felix
was just finding a way to keep the people paying the bills happy.
I apologize for the trash comment but it was you that questioned
Mr. Barkdoll's character first. Phil just plumb run outta money.
edward tadlock
>>>>> "MB" == Majin Boo <maji...@earthlink.net> writes:
In article <330D76...@earthlink.net> Majin Boo <maji...@earthlink.net> writes:
MB> Scott Lamb wrote:
>>
>> In article <33050E...@earthlink.net>,
>> Majin Boo <maji...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >Im usually not one to get personal about things.. or to bash people
>> >directly, not just their driving ability (or lack of) But this one
>> >definately deserves it. Phil Barkdoll, what a piece of work. Last year,
>>
>> <snippity, snip>
>>
>> Well, Majin Boo get your facts straight before you go spewing
>> trash all over the 'net.
>>
>> The fact is that PB didn't have enough money to even buy 1 set of
>> tires to run the 500 let alone 2 or 3, this is why he sold the ride to Felix.
>>
>> Phil made the right choice, he made LOTS more money than he could
>> have racing and Felix got his sponsor in the race, looks like a Win/Win
>> situation to me.
>>
>> Lambo
MB> My facts are pretty damn straight, thank you. And don't call it trash,
MB> its my opinion, you dont have to believe it but thats no reason to not be
MB> openminded. Now answer me this, why in the hell did Phil Barkdoll even go
MB> to the Daytona 500 if he couldnt buy a set of tires?
You are so smart. Before I go accusing a person of anything
the magnitude you did, I'd have my facts 110% straight, not
"pretty damn straight". Hopefully Mr. Barkdoll and/or
Mr. Sabates do not read this newsgroup and will not sue you for
slander or defamation.
As for tires, A set of tires can run probably 80-90
laps. Barkdoll could then have put on a set of scuffs or
used tires, or got some from a team that fell out. Since
Goodyear will no longer take them back, they probably would
have given them to him. Its also possible he was going to run
until the tires gave up and then park it for the day. This
guy only runs one race a year, stays out of the way of the
faster cars, and has a lot of fun doing his stuff. Your post
is just another one of the negative "vibes" we can do without
in this newsgroup. Posts likes yours and others make me wish
for a moderator (shudder!).
Ed
****************************************
My opinions, not TIs
****************************************
Majin Boo
Paul E. Cox wrote:
>
> Majin Boo wrote:
> >
> > Scott Lamb wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <33050E...@earthlink.net>,
> > > Majin Boo <maji...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > >Im usually not one to get personal about things.. or to bash people
> > > >directly, not just their driving ability (or lack of) But this one
> > > >definately deserves it. Phil Barkdoll, what a piece of work. Last year,
> > >
> > > <snippity, snip>
> > >
> > > Well, Majin Boo get your facts straight before you go spewing
> > > trash all over the 'net.
> > >
> > > The fact is that PB didn't have enough money to even buy 1 set of
> > > tires to run the 500 let alone 2 or 3, this is why he sold the ride to Felix.
> > >
> > > Phil made the right choice, he made LOTS more money than he could
> > > have racing and Felix got his sponsor in the race, looks like a Win/Win
> > > situation to me.
> > >
> > > Lambo
> >
>
> from a bout with cancer. What he does with his starting position is his
> business and it is none of ours.
> I am open minded,but when I see a post like this I usually sent it to
> the trash bin. If you were open minded then you could see that trash is
> what this post was.
Im glad you think highly of me, Paul. He has always said that his dream
was being in the 500, not qualifying for it. That was why I originally
posted this, because its funny how the dream "changed" when he finally
made it into the race. I don't like it when people with "dreams" change
when money is involved. I wanted to see Phil in the race, and that is why
I am upset that he sold his ride. He could have worked something out with
Felix that allowed him in the race. He could have put Bellsouth on the
car, and driven it himself. he could have put Bellsouth on the car, let
Nemechek start it to get points, and then go fulfill his dream. I just
don't think that Phil should show up for a race, if he doesnt want to be
in the race.
Majin Boo
> >its my opinion, you dont have to believe it but thats no reason to not be
> >openminded. Now answer me this, why in the hell did Phil Barkdoll even go
> >to the Daytona 500 if he couldnt buy a set of tires?
>
> budget? Why does Delma Cowart try every year to make the show?
>
> Because it's what they love to do.
>
> Independent racers that put it all one the line to follow their
> dreams deserve our respect, not to have there name trashed
> in a public forum for making a business decision. By selling the car and the
> spot to Felix, Phil probably turned a profit or at least broke even on the
> deal.
>
> As for your evaluation of Mr. Sabates, I don't blame him for finding a
> way to get his sponsor into the race. Bell South has a lot of money invested
> in WC racing, it's the Daytona 500 and the first race for this sponsor. I'm
> sure the pressure was on both Felix and JN to get into the show. So Felix
> was just finding a way to keep the people paying the bills happy.
>
> I apologize for the trash comment but it was you that questioned
> Mr. Barkdoll's character first. Phil just plumb run outta money.
>
> Lambo
I don't blame Felix for much, actually. If i did before, I wasnt thinking
straight. I believe in the same dream you talked about, I have followed
independent drivers, from Dave Macis to J.D. McDuffie, to Jimmy Means to
Bobby Dotter to Delma Cowart. And I think, like I said before, that there
are ways that Phil could have made the race if he really wanted to. What
gets me more, isnt that he sold his ride, its that he lied about his
dream on national tv last year, and that bothers me alot. if he said "i
want to qualify for the daytona 500 so I can sell my position to a rich
multi-car team owner so i can make a profit," I wouldn't have followed
Phil as intensely as I did.
Majin Boo
edward tadlock wrote:
>
> >>>>> "MB" == Majin Boo <maji...@earthlink.net> writes:
> In article <330D76...@earthlink.net> Majin Boo <maji...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> >>
> >> In article <33050E...@earthlink.net>,
> >> Majin Boo <maji...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >Im usually not one to get personal about things.. or to bash people
> >> >directly, not just their driving ability (or lack of) But this one
> >> >definately deserves it. Phil Barkdoll, what a piece of work. Last year,
> >>
> >> <snippity, snip>
> >>
> >> Well, Majin Boo get your facts straight before you go spewing
> >> trash all over the 'net.
> >>
> >> The fact is that PB didn't have enough money to even buy 1 set of
> >> tires to run the 500 let alone 2 or 3, this is why he sold the ride to Felix.
> >>
> >> Phil made the right choice, he made LOTS more money than he could
> >> have racing and Felix got his sponsor in the race, looks like a Win/Win
> >> situation to me.
> >>
> >> Lambo
>
> MB> its my opinion, you dont have to believe it but thats no reason to not be
> MB> openminded. Now answer me this, why in the hell did Phil Barkdoll even go
> MB> to the Daytona 500 if he couldnt buy a set of tires?
>
> You are so smart. Before I go accusing a person of anything
> the magnitude you did, I'd have my facts 110% straight, not
> "pretty damn straight". Hopefully Mr. Barkdoll and/or
> Mr. Sabates do not read this newsgroup and will not sue you for
> slander or defamation.
>
> As for tires, A set of tires can run probably 80-90
> laps. Barkdoll could then have put on a set of scuffs or
> used tires, or got some from a team that fell out. Since
> Goodyear will no longer take them back, they probably would
> have given them to him. Its also possible he was going to run
> until the tires gave up and then park it for the day. This
> guy only runs one race a year, stays out of the way of the
> faster cars, and has a lot of fun doing his stuff. Your post
> is just another one of the negative "vibes" we can do without
> in this newsgroup. Posts likes yours and others make me wish
> for a moderator (shudder!).
More like others than mine. I don't go around posting stuff like
"Earnhardt crashed himself and then touched himself in the ambulence". I
am giving my honest opinion on something, and backing it up with *facts*.
If you don't like it, I'm sorry. Not everyones going to say stuff you
like, especially in a sport where people have unimpeachable (look it up)
support for their favorite drivers. Like I said, I don't usually do
character attacks, but I don't like it when a guy goes on TV, lies to all
of us, makes us support him, etc, and then find out that he turned his
back on all the support. If you like that, thats fine, but I think only
someone with weak character would do it. Last year, when Jeff Burton
didn't make the race at Atlanta, Roush asked many teams to give up their
spot. None did, not even Elton Sawyer, who had no sponsor, limited funds,
and the team was damn close to closing shop.
And it doesn't look like he will be running anymore races this year,
since he can be bought out if he ever makes any.
edward tadlock
<big snip>
I saw the first post, and many more, and still don't see ANY facts
in your argumentative rhetoric (go look it up). Were you there
in the garage when the deal was done? Have you spoken in person with both
parties? Your FACTS are nothing more than opinions. I have no problem
with opinions, I have a problem with folks who think that opinions
are FACT. Now, until you get Phil or Felix to tell us all the details
of the deal, shut up about it. Second guessing Phil/Felix is NOT going
to change things. Phil Barkdoll did what he did for a REASON, respect
that and get back to life. If you are, as you claim, a fan of Phil,
you'll support his decision since it was his call. He has to suffer
the consequences or reap the benefits of his decision, not you.
edward tadlock
MB> Im glad you think highly of me, Paul. He has always said that his dream
MB> was being in the 500, not qualifying for it. That was why I originally
Technically, he DID make it into the 500.
MB> posted this, because its funny how the dream "changed" when he finally
MB> made it into the race. I don't like it when people with "dreams" change
MB> when money is involved. I wanted to see Phil in the race, and
that is why
$100,000 Will go a LONG way towards Phil showing up next race
with a car he can RACE with, not ride around in, thats why he
took the $$$. He knows his dreams take MONEY, something he
doesn't have a lot of, but Felix does. It actually puts him
closer to his dreams.
MB> I am upset that he sold his ride. He could have worked something out with
MB> Felix that allowed him in the race. He could have put Bellsouth on the
You obviously don't understand anything about sponsorship
contracts. BellSouth had contracted with the Sabates team and
had put up some serious $$$. If a BellSouth car had not made
the race with the contracted team and driver, the contract
could perhaps be considered in default and the sponsorship for the
rest of the season pulled. Sabates and Barkdoll BOTH made
good business decisions. Business decisions are NOT made based
on emotional arguments, but are made on financial ones. Felix
had a freind in Barkdoll who could recognize that he could be
a friend and a have a good business deal too with
Felix. In the long run, Barkdoll probably got the best of the deal.
MB> car, and driven it himself. he could have put Bellsouth on the car, let
MB> Nemechek start it to get points, and then go fulfill his dream. I just
MB> don't think that Phil should show up for a race, if he doesnt want to be
MB> in the race.
So then Sabates and Nemencheck are counting on Barkdoll to get
them points? Somehow I don't think that would be too wise a
decision. Barkdolls car was no where near as good as the one
Sabates substituted. The odds were that Nemencheck would pick
up a LOT more points, thus rewarding/paying back some of the
$$$ Felix spent to get the position. Again, just good
business. I hope you see that racing is a BUSINESS and good
race teams run themselves as businesses. Friendships and
emotions sometimes get in the way, and have to be dealt with.
Its a cold cruel world out there.
Ed
****************************
My thoughts, not TIs
****************************
SLR2996
And your race cart is.........
Majin Boo
edward tadlock wrote:
> $100,000 Will go a LONG way towards Phil showing up next race
> with a car he can RACE with, not ride around in, thats why he
> took the $$$. He knows his dreams take MONEY, something he
> doesn't have a lot of, but Felix does. It actually puts him
> closer to his dreams.
Phil probably won't try again until the July Daytona race, or the Feb.
500 next year. If he, for some reason, can get a competitive car by
selling the one he had, I'd like to know how. And if he does get a
competitive car, will that just mean his starting spot will be more
expensive?
> You obviously don't understand anything about sponsorship
> contracts. BellSouth had contracted with the Sabates team and
> had put up some serious $$$. If a BellSouth car had not made
> the race with the contracted team and driver, the contract
> could perhaps be considered in default and the sponsorship for the
> rest of the season pulled.
And who's fault is that? Besides, I might not know everything about
sponsor agreements, but I know that a sponsor doesn't pull out of a
contracted deal if a driver doesn't make a race. CAT is still with David
Green. John Deere is still with Chad Little. KMart is still with Jeremy
Mayfield. Exide is still with Jeff Burton. etc, etc.
I also know that there have been many instances where a car has not made
a race, and a deal is struck to put the sponsor in the race, without the
driver or the team. Just look at the 19 car at Daytona. In fact, isn't
that how Alan Kulwicki got Hooters as a sponsor? It happens, literally,
all the time, in BGN and in WC.
> So then Sabates and Nemencheck are counting on Barkdoll to get
> them points? Somehow I don't think that would be too wise a
> decision. Barkdolls car was no where near as good as the one
> Sabates substituted. The odds were that Nemencheck would pick
> up a LOT more points, thus rewarding/paying back some of the
> $$$ Felix spent to get the position.
Well, i don't know about you, but I'd rather have Barkdoll's points than
none at all. Joe Nemechek finished 27th, 4 laps down with a crashed car.
He made roughly 50,000 dollars. He got 80 some odd points. Sabates, to my
knowledge, did not substitute any car. On the ESPN coverage of Happy
Hour, they showed the Bellsouth team working on Phil's car.
>Again, just good
> business. I hope you see that racing is a BUSINESS and good
> race teams run themselves as businesses. Friendships and
> emotions sometimes get in the way, and have to be dealt with.
> Its a cold cruel world out there.
Good business from which side? Felix, who lost 50,000 dollars and a car,
or Phil Barkdoll, who gained 100,000 dollars and lost some respect (and
im not the only one). If you think Phil made a good business decision, he
did. Im not arguing that, I am arguing his moral judgement of bringing a
good car to Daytona (it qualified about the same as Terry Labonte, 2nd
place finish) and then selling it to the highest bidder. I would think he
would be against that, from what he said. I was wrong, so very wrong.
Anyway, lets change the subject now. Im sick of this myself. :/
Oh, for your information, here are the facts:
1) Phil Barkdoll sold his Daytona 500 ride to the highest bidder
2) Phil Barkdoll lied on national television about his dreams of racing
in the Daytona 500.
3) Joe Nemechek made a fool out of himself all weekend at Daytona, like
most of last year. He doesn't deserve a starting spot (according to
on-track performance), Phil Barkdoll does (he was fast enough, Joe wasnt)
4) There are other ways arrangements could have been made
5) Some people no longer care about racing, but business.
I gave my opinion based on those facts.
Anyways, looks like Dale Jarrett is going to have a good shot today. Ken
Schrader too. And you can never count out Ricky Rudd at rockingham.
Paul Hilts
Majin Boo blathers:
>Oh, for your information, here are the facts:
>1) Phil Barkdoll sold his Daytona 500 ride to the highest bidder
>2) Phil Barkdoll lied on national television about his dreams of racing
>in the Daytona 500.
>3) Joe Nemechek made a fool out of himself all weekend at Daytona, like
>most of last year. He doesn't deserve a starting spot (according to
>on-track performance), Phil Barkdoll does (he was fast enough, Joe wasnt)
>4) There are other ways arrangements could have been made
>5) Some people no longer care about racing, but business.
>I gave my opinion based on those facts.
Uh, Majin? Not one of those things is a fact.
1) is an assertion; I don't think anyone but Felix and Phil know if there
were other bidders, or if any were higher.
2) is another assertion (he lied, which implies intent, rather than he was
mistaken, or most reasonably, when faced with conflicting goals or dreams,
he made his best choice), and a completely unwarranted assertion at that,
unless you have private knowledge of what's in Phil's head.
3) is an opinion (abt being a fool), followed by a judgement (on
deserving).
4) is closest to a fact, technically, because there *were* other
arrangements that *could* have been made: Phil could have sold his entire
operation to Felix; or Felix could have paid Richard Childress enuf money
that Phil could drive the 3 car while Dale had a frosty in the
shade....but all these, and your ideal solution, beg the question "what is
the best arrangement for all involved?"
5) is another blind assertion, ascribing motives you can't possibly
know unless you have private knowledge of what's in Phil's or Felix's
head, and is on the face of it just wrong: Felix demonstrated he cared
very much about racing, and paid a heap to do it; and Ed very clearly
described how Phil could feel he would get more and better racing in the
long run by passing up this race in the short run.
Final score: Ed-- 4-1/2 , Majin -- 1/2
Paul Hilts, NYC ta...@panix.com
Steve Melander
> Majin Boo blathers:
>
> >4) There are other ways arrangements could have been made
Paul Hilts replied:
>
> or Felix could have paid Richard Childress enuf money
> that Phil could drive the 3 car while Dale had a frosty in the
> shade....
Hee hee hee. I seriously doubt there's enough money in the world
for that... Would *you* want to try to tell Dale that you'd sold
his ride?
Good points though.
Steve
DA <#28 forever>
Jan R. Wielgosz
ta...@panix.com (Paul Hilts) wrote:
> Majin Boo blathers:
>>Oh, for your information, here are the facts:
>>1) Phil Barkdoll sold his Daytona 500 ride to the highest bidder
>>2) Phil Barkdoll lied on national television about his dreams of racing
>>in the Daytona 500.
>>3) Joe Nemechek made a fool out of himself all weekend at Daytona, like
>>most of last year. He doesn't deserve a starting spot (according to
>>on-track performance), Phil Barkdoll does (he was fast enough, Joe wasnt)
>>4) There are other ways arrangements could have been made
>>5) Some people no longer care about racing, but business.
>>I gave my opinion based on those facts.
Phil and Felix go way back, it wasn't just business, it was a friend
helping another friend.
Majin Boo
Paul Hilts ejaculated:
>
> Majin Boo blathers:
> >Oh, for your information, here are the facts:
> >1) Phil Barkdoll sold his Daytona 500 ride to the highest bidder
> >2) Phil Barkdoll lied on national television about his dreams of racing
> >in the Daytona 500.
> >3) Joe Nemechek made a fool out of himself all weekend at Daytona, like
> >most of last year. He doesn't deserve a starting spot (according to
> >on-track performance), Phil Barkdoll does (he was fast enough, Joe wasnt)
> >4) There are other ways arrangements could have been made
> >5) Some people no longer care about racing, but business.
> >I gave my opinion based on those facts.
>
> 1) is an assertion; I don't think anyone but Felix and Phil know if there
> were other bidders, or if any were higher.
RPM 2NIGHT showed people from different teams around Phil, and mentioned
that many teams bid for his ride. All of them were low finance, small
teams. It's safe to assume that Felix and his multi car operation where
the highest bidders.
> 2) is another assertion (he lied, which implies intent, rather than he was
> mistaken, or most reasonably, when faced with conflicting goals or dreams,
> he made his best choice), and a completely unwarranted assertion at that,
> unless you have private knowledge of what's in Phil's head.
Uhh.. he went on tv and said something that wasnt true. I call that a
lie, you might call it an unwarranted assertion of the truth, or
whatever, but its a lie.
> 3) is an opinion (abt being a fool), followed by a judgement (on
> deserving).
I don't think many people consider him a great driver deserving to be in
the 500 when he hit the wall in practice, was slow in qualifying, and
couldn't take a position by racing in. He also didn't have a good enough
performance last year to make it via a provisional. It might be an
opinion, but its one thats hard to dispute.
> 4) is closest to a fact, technically, because there *were* other
> arrangements that *could* have been made: Phil could have sold his entire
> operation to Felix; or Felix could have paid Richard Childress enuf money
> that Phil could drive the 3 car while Dale had a frosty in the
> shade....but all these, and your ideal solution, beg the question "what is
> the best arrangement for all involved?"
Can i have a frosty too.
> 5) is another blind assertion, ascribing motives you can't possibly
> know unless you have private knowledge of what's in Phil's or Felix's
> head, and is on the face of it just wrong: Felix demonstrated he cared
> very much about racing, and paid a heap to do it; and Ed very clearly
> described how Phil could feel he would get more and better racing in the
> long run by passing up this race in the short run.
And Ed obviosly doesn't know that Phil only runs Daytona. And like i said
before, if he does make another Daytona, he will probably be approached
again. I don't care about Felix. Im talking about Phil, and he gave up
his dream of being in the 500 for money, and thats the simple truth no
matter what your view of the situation is.
> Final score: Ed-- 4-1/2 , Majin -- 1/2
>
> Paul Hilts, NYC ta...@panix.com
>
Give it up already :) This was posted almost two weeks ago, I don't care
if I only have a half of a point, I made my points, they were all very
valid, now i want to talk about other things.
Majin Boo, Albany NY