Let Me In
Bubba Boy
IMO,Carl came down on Brad causing the first wreck. Same thing that he
done at 'Dega last year. He seems to think that if he's going to "fill a
hole",the other driver should back off and let him in.
I've heard other drivers say in the past that they thought "so and so"
would back off and let them in,and when they didn't,they got wrecked.
Should a driver back off to let another car in,in front of them ? Seems
to me like the driver trying to get in the hole should be obligated to
make sure there's enough room for him to get in without depending on the
other driver to let him in.
Joey Tribiani
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"driver's discretion"
scott
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John McCoy
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> Should a driver back off to let another car in,in front of them ?
The answer there is "it depends". But generally, early in the
race, or when the other car is obviously faster, yes, a driver
should back off and avoid causing an accident. Later in the
race, when there may not be time to make up the position, then
you wouldn't expect someone to back off.
Note that in the particular incident in question, Keselowski
says he did try to check up and make room for Edwards, but wasn't
able to slow quick enough. The TV replays don't suggest otherwise,
so I'm inclined to accept Keselowski's statement. I think he
did as much as could reasonably have been expected.
John
Chuck Steak
>I'm curious about something.
>Should a driver back off to let another car in,in front of them ? Seems
>to me like the driver trying to get in the hole should be obligated to
>make sure there's enough room for him to get in without depending on the
>other driver to let him in.
Before mirrors and radios were allowed, you had BETTER be sure
you were up to the guys door. Or else he was coming down.
So for a long time, the "rule" for lack of better word, was
if the guy isn't up to your door, and you wrecked, it was HIS fault.
Not yours. And it WAS a rule. (to the drivers, not in the book).
Today, the feeling is, if your front bumper is an inch inside a guy,
the corner is yours.
Which, imo, is BS. But that is the way it is.
But it always boils down to the driver's last split second
decision.
Whether you are clear or not, you have to be able to disect
all the information you can, and do what you think will keep you
in the race, ultimately.
You know who is going to chop you,
and who is going to blip the throttle and tap the brakes.
Early on in the race.. and in the closing laps.
Dan
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You should keep your words soft and sweet.
Tomorrow, you may have to eat them
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John McCoy
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> Before mirrors and radios were allowed, you had BETTER be sure
> you were up to the guys door. Or else he was coming down.
> So for a long time, the "rule" for lack of better word, was
> if the guy isn't up to your door, and you wrecked, it was HIS fault.
> Not yours. And it WAS a rule. (to the drivers, not in the book).
That was more for the case of the guy on the inside trying
to pass the guy on the outside, tho. It's a rather different
case when someone's trying to pass on the outside, and pull
in front of the car on the inside lane (which, on a short
track, is one of the hardest passes to make). In that case
I think it's always been the responsibility of the guy passing
on the outside to be sure he's completely clear of the guy on
the inside before pulling down.
John
Dan L
wrote:
Just like on the interstate if someone cuts you off you brake,
it's that simple, unless you're a prick like kaselowski.
Walt's Harem
interstate is the same as Edwards cutting Brad off
on a race track at nearly 200 mph.
I think Edwards just pushed his luck too far,too many times.
I'd say that he better get used to that with the "relaxing of the
rules".
TS02_05champ
If I didn't have to worry about damage to my car I wouldn't.
Joey Tribiani
"Dan L" <heyh...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Just like on the interstate if someone cuts you off you brake,
maybe *you* do....
Dan L
wrote:
Yeah you brake and then you're pissed at the guy for cutting you off,
or swerve to avoid getting hit, anyone who says they would just hit
the person, is full of it..
TS02_05champ
Not if you're driving a junker and don't give a shit. Had a friend one
time that had an old Chevy truck, some asshole was tailgating him. He
said "watch this", he slammed on the brakes and the guy plowed right
into the back of him.
Dan L
That's a little different than someone who cuts you off because they
didn't see you or thought they had more room than they did, got too
cut some people a little slack when they make a mistake, especially
early in a race.
Walt's Harem
He shoudda known Brad didn't back off for him last year,he probably
wasn't going to this year.
Anna Khonda
"Dan L" <heyh...@charter.net> wrote in message
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:15:44 -0400, TS02_05champ
> <tonystewar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>He
>>said "watch this", he slammed on the brakes and the guy plowed
>>right
>>into the back of him.
> That's a little different than someone who cuts you off because
> they
> didn't see you
It's a lot different.
One is an accident,
one is being a complete moron.
TS02_05champ
> "Dan L" <heyh...@charter.net> wrote in message
>
>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:15:44 -0400, TS02_05champ
>> <tonystewar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> He
>>> said "watch this", he slammed on the brakes and the guy plowed
>>> right
>>> into the back of him.
>
>> That's a little different than someone who cuts you off because
>> they
>> didn't see you
>
> It's a lot different.
> One is an accident,
> one is being a complete moron.
Yeah, and that "moron" got a nice settlement from the assholes insurance
company.
Anna Khonda
"TS02_05champ" <tonystewar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Yeah, and that "moron" got a nice settlement from the assholes
> insurance company.
So somehow, intentionally causing an accident on a highway,
and milking an insurance company, is somehow okay with you?
This is something to be proud of?
TS02_05champ
> "TS02_05champ" <tonystewar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>> Yeah, and that "moron" got a nice settlement from the assholes
>> insurance company.
>
> So somehow, intentionally causing an accident on a highway,
> and milking an insurance company, is somehow okay with you?
> This is something to be proud of?
Back in 1980, yep! Asshole shouldn't have been tailgating.
TS02_05champ
BTW, fuck those greedy insurance companies. Fucking more than doubled FL
homeowners rates back in '05 because of '04 hurricanes, and they are
still going UP, not DOWN. State Farm stopped writing HO policies in the
state of FL, but they have NO problem covering autos....go figure.
Anna Khonda
"TS02_05champ" <tonystewar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Anna Khonda wrote:
>> So somehow, intentionally causing an accident on a highway,
>> and milking an insurance company, is somehow okay with you?
>> This is something to be proud of?
> Back in 1980, yep! Asshole shouldn't have been tailgating.
wow.
and the guy slamming his brakes on, causing the wreck, wasn't
one...
interesting.
dead-guy-3
> "Dan L" <heyh...@charter.net> wrote in message
>
>> [9 quoted lines suppressed]
>
> It's a lot different.
> One is an accident,
> one is being a complete moron.
>
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better to be moron, than moroff.
TS02_05champ
> "TS02_05champ" <tonystewar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>> Anna Khonda wrote:
>>> So somehow, intentionally causing an accident on a highway,
>>> and milking an insurance company, is somehow okay with you?
>>> This is something to be proud of?
>
>> Back in 1980, yep! Asshole shouldn't have been tailgating.
>
> wow.
> and the guy slamming his brakes on, causing the wreck, wasn't
> one...
> interesting.
Nope, tailgating (following too closely) is against the law, slamming on
your brakes isn't.
Anna Khonda
"TS02_05champ" <tonystewar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> Nope, tailgating (following too closely) is against the law,
Yes it is. It's stupid and dangerous.
>slamming on your brakes isn't.
Being retarted isn't against the law.
Slamming your brakes on to make a car hit you
is reckless driving in any state, is against the law,
and considered a misdemeanor.
"State laws usually define reckless driving as
"driving with a willful or a wanton disregard for the safety of
persons or property".
TS02_05champ
> "TS02_05champ" <tonystewar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>> Nope, tailgating (following too closely) is against the law,
>
> Yes it is. It's stupid and dangerous.
>
>> slamming on your brakes isn't.
>
> Being retarted isn't against the law.
> Slamming your brakes on to make a car hit you
> is reckless driving in any state, is against the law,
> and considered a misdemeanor.
Gee, that's pretty funny since my friend (back than) wasn't given a
ticket. If someone tailgates me tomorrow and I hit the brakes and they
hit me, they are getting the ticket, period.
dead-guy-3
> Anna Khonda wrote:
>> [12 quoted lines suppressed]
>
> Gee, that's pretty funny since my friend (back than) wasn't given a
> ticket. If someone tailgates me tomorrow and I hit the brakes and they
> hit me, they are getting the ticket, period.
i find 2 taps on my cc coast button, followed by 2 taps on the cc accel
button, repeated a few times has the best and safest effect of frustrating
tailgaters.
armpit
In some states you can be ticketed for slamming on your brakes and causing
an accident, even if you're being tailgated. Ask a cop if you don't believe
it.
That can even appy if you brake to avoid hitting a squirrel, dog, etc.
according to a cop I know.
Anna Khonda
"TS02_05champ" <tonystewar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Gee, that's pretty funny since my friend (back than) wasn't
> given a ticket. If someone tailgates me tomorrow and I hit the
> brakes and they hit me, they are getting the ticket, period.
C'mon.
The fact that he didn't get a ticket, doesn't mean it wasn't
against the law.
There probably was not enough evidence to support the charge.
It would be the moron's word and yours, against the guy
that he caused to run into him.
Nancy2
> "TS02_05champ" <tonystewart02_05ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
The fact remains: The person hitting someone from behind is always at
fault (when only 2 cars are involved, anyway), at least in this state
- the law doesn't allow "interpretation" - because if the person can't
stop in time, that person is following too close - which is also
against the law. Sorry.
N.
DAVe
The law in Florida also generally assumes the person in the back
caused the accident no matter how quickly the person in the front
stopped.
Glancing side blows from lane changes are generally decided by a door
or rear quarter panel strike.
Anna Khonda
"Nancy2" <nancy-...@uiowa.edu> wrote in message
On Mar 16, 10:39 pm, "Anna Khonda" <Anna_Kho...@nospaming.com>
wrote:
> "State laws usually define reckless driving as
> "driving with a willful or a wanton disregard for the safety of
> persons or property".
The fact remains: The person hitting someone from behind is
always at
fault (when only 2 cars are involved, anyway), at least in this
state
- the law doesn't allow "interpretation" - because if the person
can't
stop in time, that person is following too close - which is also
against the law. Sorry.
N.
Sorry for what.
All I did was quote a definition of a law.
I didn't write it.
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Joey Tribiani
>
> Gee, that's pretty funny since my friend (back than) wasn't given a
> ticket. If someone tailgates me tomorrow and I hit the brakes and they hit
> me, they are getting the ticket, period.
not true in all cases... if someone blatantly slows for no reason, they are
at fault... "period"... at least with the police, not always so for the
insurance company... had a friend ticketed for brake checking... he was by
himself and the person he "checked" had a passenger, and that translates to
"witness" to say he stopped suddenly for no apparent reason..(which he did)
Police called it "improper driving"...
Joey Tribiani
>>
>>maybe *you* do....
>>
>
> Yeah you brake and then you're pissed at the guy for cutting you off,
> or swerve to avoid getting hit, anyone who says they would just hit
> the person, is full of it..
that's a pretty matter of fact way of stating your opinion...