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I will turn out the lights , yawl take care of the doors

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Mar 6, 2010, 9:36:00 AM3/6/10
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NASCAR is weeks away from making a small but significant change to its
car, one that could dramatically impact how races run from here on
out.

NASCAR will be removing the rear wings on cars and replacing them with
spoilers, which had been in use until just a few years ago. Fans and
drivers alike had complained that the wings had reduced the cars'
maneuverability and made races into long, boring parades. So, credit
NASCAR on making the change.

NASCAR has been testing the spoiler for several months now, and is
likely to make the shift official later this month. "If the industry
benefits from the fans seeing a more traditional piece and that works
for us, can we mechanically do the things that the wing presents as an
advantage with a spoiler?" NASCAR president Mike Helton said. "During
the course of research, we figured out how to do that."

Yes, but ... the season has already started. The big question, thus,
is whether the shift from wing to spoiler will impact competition on
the track. This might not be as big a difference as, say, baseball
switching from wood to aluminum bats in midseason, but there will be a
measurable difference, and it will take time for teams to adjust.

This isn't as significant a change as the switch to the Car of
Tomorrow a couple years back. That change was monumental; past
champions like Kurt Busch and Jeff Gordon took years to adjust to the
new car, and Dale Earnhardt Jr. still hasn't. Regarding this change,
Jeff Burton, among others, has said there will be, in effect, two
seasons in NASCAR -- Wing Season and Spoiler Season.

NASCAR has had its travails over the opening three weeks of the
season, from a pothole at Daytona to malfunctioning caution lights at
Las Vegas this past weekend. Still, the sport has shown a willingness
to make changes to benefit the action on the track and spur fan
interest.

Now it's up to the drivers to figure out how to catch up to four-time
defending champion Jimmie Johnson, who's already on a two-race winning
streak. A spoiler might not do the trick; the field might have to
start looking into jet engines.

thom...@westwood.anonymous.post.world.org

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Mar 6, 2010, 11:47:12 AM3/6/10
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NASCAR could take this step one further, let the teams adjust the
angle of the spoiler, at least give them that flexibility.

I will turn out the lights , yawl take care of the doors

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Mar 6, 2010, 9:18:00 PM3/6/10
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> angle of the spoiler, at least give them that flexibility. �- Hide quoted text -
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INDEED good point

thom...@westwood.anonymous.post.world.org

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Mar 6, 2010, 10:35:21 PM3/6/10
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On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:18:00 -0800 (PST), "I will turn out the lights ,
yawl take care of the doors" <mort...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Mar 6, 10:47?am, thomp...@westwood.anonymous.post.world.org wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 06:36:00 -0800 (PST), "I will turn out the lights ,
>> yawl take care of the doors" <morton...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> >NASCAR is weeks away from making a small but significant change to its
>> >car, one that could dramatically impact how races run from here on
>> >out.
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>> >NASCAR will be removing the rear wings on cars and replacing them with
>> >spoilers, which had been in use until just a few years ago. Fans and
>> >drivers alike had complained that the wings had reduced the cars'
>> >maneuverability and made races into long, boring parades. So, credit
>> >NASCAR on making the change.
>>
>> >NASCAR has been testing the spoiler for several months now, and is

>> >likely to make the shift official later this month. ?"If the industry

>> angle of the spoiler, at least give them that flexibility. ?- Hide quoted text -


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>INDEED good point

Regarding the spoiler, why is it NASCAR has to reintroduce in stages,
using smaller to larger tracks, when it was used on the previous car,
before COT? Or was this COT never tested with anything other than the
wing, which then I can understand?

I believe in the staged reintroduction, the spoiler will be in full
effect for Dega.

Karnage

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Mar 7, 2010, 12:22:58 PM3/7/10
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While not a Cup crew chief I have many years of dirt experience and I
know how much of a change the side plates can make. I dont think it
will matter muck as far as straight away speed but should loosen up
the cars thru the turns quite a bit, hence doing the smaller slower
tracks first, to work their way into them.

Rod's work news

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Mar 8, 2010, 5:26:50 PM3/8/10
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<thom...@westwood.anonymous.post.world.org> wrote in message
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All they need is a pyramid shaped "spoiler". It yields downforce in both
directions ......... and needn't extend beyond the rear edge of the rear
deck lid. And such a shape could certainly still include endplates/winglets
for lateral stabilizing.

I'm not sure what that shape imposes wrt drag, but it certainly is not a
terrible_case scenario. And if they allowed a spoiler of that general shape
(with, for example, pitch tolerances that allowed teams to play with it
within predetermined allowable specs), it would help keep the rear end down
when a car turns around.


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