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alve...@pilot.msu.edu

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Apr 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/10/98
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Why in the hell do watch Nascar when you can see the same thing on the
highway. CART has competition, speed, technology and passing. Nascar has 500
miles of drafting. "But in Nascar we swap paint!". If you swap paint in open
wheel racing, you are dead! Ask Jeff Crosnoff's wife! It is much more
dangerous and exciting to race 10 inches apart with CART cars then it is to
drive up the ass end of Dick Trickle. Also, CART doesn't need to take each
car to a wind tunnel every week to make sure everyone has the same chance of
winning. How f**king boring. Where is the incentive to be in the lead? How
about 240mph vs 185mph? How about racing on more than oval tracks? How about
making a pass without the benifit from the draft? How about passing period?
Why do you even watch the 490 miles in the middle of the race if no one is
even trying to be the leader? No one tries to be the leader because then he
couldn't draft! What a shame!

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Bryan

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Apr 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/10/98
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flame bait???


Bryan

test

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Apr 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/11/98
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If 240 is more exciting than 185, then 320 must be fantastic. Go watch
some Nitromethane Top Fuelers race. Better yet, go watch Land speed
racing. Don't come here to bitch about it, there seems to be enough of
that anyway.

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BK YD MECH

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>alve...@pilot.msu.edu wrote;

>Why in the hell do watch Nascar when you can see the same thing on the
>highway.

What highway do you watch?

>CART has competition, speed, technology and passing. Nascar has 500
>miles of drafting. "But in Nascar we swap paint!". If you swap paint in open
>wheel racing, you are dead! Ask Jeff Crosnoff's wife!

Now why should I bother her with a stupid question like that????


>It is much more
>dangerous and exciting to race 10 inches apart with CART cars then it is to
>drive up the ass end of Dick Trickle.

Mabey you would enjoy the sport more if you could take your eyes off Dick's ass
end. PERVERT!

>Also, CART doesn't need to take each
>car to a wind tunnel every week to make sure everyone has the same chance of
>winning.

Yeah they do! They just ain't tellin' you when they do! No one likes a cry baby
at their party! Thats why they won't tell you!

>How f**king boring.

How freakin' mature!

>Where is the incentive to be in the lead?

Humm??? Bonus points which could decide the championship, extra cash for
leading at the halfway point, taking the win on the last lap. GOT ME! Thats a
tough one! Mabey I'd better let you tell us!

>How
>about 240mph vs 185mph?

How about hopping in a car and showing us how its really done, hot shot!!

>How about racing on more than oval tracks?

Dega, Glen, Sears, Pocono. Those are oval? Damn! I knew something didn't look
right! Must have something to do with those TVs made in Mexico!

>How about
>making a pass without the benifit from the draft?

You mean to say, draft beer helps you,..... Never mind! I know what your trying
to pass!

>How about passing period?

We care not to discuss the kind of passing you want to talk about!

>Why do you even watch the 490 miles in the middle of the race if no one is
>even trying to be the leader?

Love to watch those guys drive right up Dick Trickle's ass end!

>No one tries to be the leader because then he
>couldn't draft!

You REALLY have no clue what drafting is, do you?!!! It has to do with
aerodynamics and wind resistance! Not beer!

>What a shame!

Yes you are! For one, your certainly in the wrong newsgroup. And two, if you
keep starring at Dick's ass end, no lady is gonna want anything to do with you!


Rob Evans

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Richard Warfield Jr.

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Apr 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/11/98
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Obviously, you have never been to a live NASCAR event. Being that you are
so negative, why would I bother to see a CART race at a road course when as
a fan in the stands can only see but a few seconds of each lap. You really
need to get a life and stop trying to make a bad impression on other people.
Oh yeah and if ovals are so boring, why is CART migrating to places like
Charlotte and Dover?

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Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo

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Apr 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/11/98
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>Why in the hell do watch Nascar when you can see the same thing on the
>highway. CART has competition, speed, technology and passing. Nascar has 500

>miles of drafting. "But in Nascar we swap paint!". If you swap paint in open
>wheel racing, you are dead! Ask Jeff Crosnoff's wife! It is much more

>dangerous and exciting to race 10 inches apart with CART cars then it is to
>drive up the ass end of Dick Trickle. Also, CART doesn't need to take each

>car to a wind tunnel every week to make sure everyone has the same chance of
>winning. How f**king boring. Where is the incentive to be in the lead? How
>about 240mph vs 185mph? How about racing on more than oval tracks? How about
>making a pass without the benifit from the draft? How about passing period?
<snip>

How about having more than 1/2 the field finish the race? How about
the winner not leading by 10 seconds at the end? How about you get a
life?

J Ball

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Apr 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/11/98
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Why are you in a newsgroup called ...sport.nascar if you feel that way?
Don't bother us.

Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo <JJJ_Sh...@springfield.usa> wrote in
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CRAWDAD45

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CART? Ahh,yes...those engines that sound like mosquitos powering overgrown
Go-carts driven by a bunch of little fellas who sprinkle cologne on their silk
panties and speak with foreign accents. No wonder AJ quit.
Let's go racing!! Go #24!!

fred

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alve...@pilot.msu.edu wrote:
>
> Why in the hell do watch Nascar when you can see the same thing on the
> highway. CART has competition, speed, technology and passing. Nascar has 500
> miles of drafting. "But in Nascar we swap paint!". If you swap paint in open
> wheel racing, you are dead! Ask Jeff Crosnoff's wife! It is much more
> dangerous and exciting to race 10 inches apart with CART cars then it is to
> drive up the ass end of Dick Trickle. Also, CART doesn't need to take each
> car to a wind tunnel every week to make sure everyone has the same chance of
> winning. How f**king boring. Where is the incentive to be in the lead? How
> about 240mph vs 185mph? How about racing on more than oval tracks? How about
> making a pass without the benifit from the draft? How about passing period?
> Why do you even watch the 490 miles in the middle of the race if no one is
> even trying to be the leader? No one tries to be the leader because then he
> couldn't draft! What a shame!
>
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you suck to but i dont hear your wife complaining

Motley

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Apr 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/11/98
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Don't take this idiot's bait. He's just trying to piss people off... Just
like the "Yamaha Rules!" posters in the Harley NG.

--
motley

Chopper pix at:
http://www.creative-logic.com/usr/mel/home.htm
'94 Yamahonda-Davidson-Wagon


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Robert Robbins

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Apr 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/11/98
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Gee I guess all of us millions of idiots who are hypnotized by the sound
of a winston cup engine should take the advice of some guy (with the
class to name a guys wife and tells us to ask her a question about her
husband) and listen to his crap and swear off nascar. Appearently he
has no idea about points for leading, halfway money, leading most laps.
If you love cart so much how about starting rec.autos.sport.cart and
keep your stupid posts to yourself.

Neuro21

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Apr 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/12/98
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> It is much more
>dangerous and exciting to race 10 inches apart with CART cars then it is to
>drive up the ass end of Dick Trickle.

Hey shit for brains ... the only time CART cars come within 10" of each other
is the instant before they get mangled in a wreck. In our sport, a 10" gap
means the guy in back is sandbagging !!!

Pete

tjmc

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Apr 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/12/98
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On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:25:09 -0500, zr...@webtv.net (Robert Robbins)
wrote:

Yep that's the group alright: rec.autos.sport.cart

It's a great group. Hope to see ya there!

Know, however, that not all service providers carry this group. The
rotten thing is, it's the only place on Usenet to discuss CART. So if
you can't find it on your server don't even bother wasting your time
looking anywhere else.


asd

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Apr 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/12/98
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> > Why in the hell do watch Nascar when you can see the same thing on the
> > highway. CART has competition, speed, technology and passing. Nascar
has 500
> > miles of drafting. "But in Nascar we swap paint!". If you swap paint in
open
> > wheel racing, you are dead! Ask Jeff Crosnoff's wife! It is much more

> > dangerous and exciting to race 10 inches apart with CART cars then it
is to
> > drive up the ass end of Dick Trickle.
your own words.....not mine
we enjoy NASCAR for exactly that------Racing. not death. You're own
statement declares you to be demented/sick.

>> Also, CART doesn't need to take each car to a wind tunnel every week to
make sure everyone has the same chance of winning. How f**king boring.

Let's see the CART drivers
1. speak english
2. pretend their sincere about their sport .
3. pretend their sincere about their fans

>> Where is the incentive to be in the lead? How
> > about 240mph vs 185mph? How about racing on more than oval tracks? How
about
> > making a pass without the benifit from the draft? How about passing
period?

How about putting a 1% bank on a CART track and watch them bottom out !!!!!

> > Why do you even watch the 490 miles in the middle of the race if no one
is
> > even trying to be the leader? No one tries to be the leader because
then he
> > couldn't draft! What a shame!

Why oh why is every track adding seats. The owners of tracks are borrowing
up to $60 million to add seats because of the sports popularity. You sure
don't see that at tracks for CART cars. Or is that IRL cars or is that INDY
cars ....... hmmmmmmmm, that brings up another argument. At least NASCAR
has their shit together.

Look bonehead - if you don't like NASCAR. Quit reading the posting in this
group.


MrBiG

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Apr 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/12/98
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craw...@aol.com (CRAWDAD45) wrote:
>
>
> CART? Ahh,yes...

>Go-carts driven by a bunch of little fellas who sprinkle cologne on their silk panties and speak with foreign accents. No wonder AJ quit.
>Let's go racing!! Go #24!!

Yes, in fact after searching everywhere for size 46 silk panties, AJ hung
it up!


BiG

mrb...@hotmail.com


Brian J. Merriman

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Apr 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/12/98
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> looking anywhere else.news:rec.autos.sport.indy
You would think IRL, but most of the talk is CART. RASN is actually
more friendly to IRL than RASIndy is.
--
Joe Gibbs Stable for him--Roush Armada for her-Penske for the Son.
18,44//6,60,9,99,26,16,97//2,12
When you look at it this way how can we lose?
Brian and Lori Merriman
http://home.earthlink.net/~merriman/
mailto:merr...@earthlink.net ICQ:1889701

Brian J. Merriman

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Apr 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/12/98
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Patsy Vankirk

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This is probably flame bait or a Nascar fan trying to get all of us to
remind us all why NASCAR is GREAT!!!!!!!!!


43&33&3

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On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:11:25 -0600, alve...@pilot.msu.edu wrote:

>Why in the hell do watch Nascar when you can see the same thing on the
>highway.

See it hell, most people nowadays do it.


> CART has competition, speed, technology and passing.

which makes it interesting ...but in a different way.


> Nascar has 500 miles of drafting. "But in Nascar we swap paint!". If you swap paint in open
>wheel racing, you are dead! Ask Jeff Crosnoff's wife! It is much more
>dangerous and exciting to race 10 inches apart with CART cars then it is to
>drive up the ass end of Dick Trickle.

Dangerous and exciting. Or.. dangerous, therefore exciting. One of the
great things about the Old Nascar was seeing wrecks with very little
injury. The New Nascar has solved that with the addition of poorly
constructed "new" speedways. I watch Indy on TV, but I hate seeing the
mangled leg injuries that are associated with it. Unfortunately, this
is filtering over to our series.


> Also, CART doesn't need to take each car to a wind tunnel every week to make sure everyone has the same chance of
>winning. How f**king boring.

No argument there.


> Where is the incentive to be in the lead? How
>about 240mph vs 185mph?

Oil embargo of the early 70's. IF, (a big if) they were still running
the big blocks in NASCAR, I don't see 240 or more being a problem.

> How about racing on more than oval tracks?

Why ?


>How about making a pass without the benifit from the draft?

It's done all the time.
>How about passing period?


>Why do you even watch the 490 miles in the middle of the race if no one is
>even trying to be the leader?

Excellent point. I have started watching the intro, listening to the
radio during the event, and returning to watch the last 50 laps or so.
Some of these NASCAR races lately are getting boring. (JUST an
opinion). I tape it so I can rewind to the good part if
necessary.(Such as seeing Jeremy and Jeff cost me $10 last week to the
RASN fund.)


>No one tries to be the leader because then he
>couldn't draft! What a shame!
>

I think it's called strategy. Be in the hunt at the end.
Longer season. Many more interesting personalities. The popularity is
due to the way it used to be. The way it is becoming does not resemble
the roots of the sport.

"It's the 90's, man, and they're almost over. We better go hop on that
NASCAR bandwagon 'cause every says its cool."
You're entitled to your opinion.

Regards.

S & C ~2~6~

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alve...@pilot.msu.edu wrote in message <6gmjgd$5ht$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

:Why in the hell do watch Nascar when you can see the same thing on the
:highway. CART has competition, speed, technology and passing. Nascar has 500


:miles of drafting. "But in Nascar we swap paint!". If you swap paint in open
:wheel racing, you are dead! Ask Jeff Crosnoff's wife! It is much more
:dangerous and exciting to race 10 inches apart with CART cars then it is to

:drive up the ass end of Dick Trickle. Also, CART doesn't need to take each


:car to a wind tunnel every week to make sure everyone has the same chance of

:winning. How f**king boring. Where is the incentive to be in the lead? How
:about 240mph vs 185mph? How about racing on more than oval tracks? How about
:making a pass without the benifit from the draft? How about passing period?


:Why do you even watch the 490 miles in the middle of the race if no one is

:even trying to be the leader? No one tries to be the leader because then he


:couldn't draft! What a shame!

:
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:http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading


Who yanked this idiots chain?????


Marburger L. Carl

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Apr 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/12/98
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In article <6gmjgd$5ht$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

I think this is the guy who use to sign as "A & D". Remember, it was only
a few weeks ago he so generously defined what real racing was and how
NASCAR didn't qualify.

I could be wrong, though. After all, stupidity does run rampant in the
world these days.

Carl

Michael Tracy

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Apr 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/12/98
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On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:11:25 -0600, alve...@pilot.msu.edu
wrote BS (CART versus NASCAR)....

Why oh why do partisans of one series feel they need to
slam other series? CART is CART, WC is WC, F1 is F1--
you get the idea. They are different--thank God for that!
If you like one series better than the others, fine! If you
like one series and hate the others, whatever--you're not
much of a race fan, but who am I to judge? Posting
"NASCAR sucks" diatribes to rasn is either trolling or
an exercise in sheer futility (just as posting "CART
sucks" rants to rasi would be). Try to find a more
constructive outlet for your energies.

I think I may finally resort to using a killfile--for all
posts with "sucks" or "blows" in the headers.

-Michael Tracy-
CART fan
WC fan
BGN fan
Trans-Am fan
F1 fan
NHRA fan
Can-Am fan
And I have been known to even watch an IRL race on
occasion....

REMAXRacer

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Apr 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/14/98
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You sir are truly a moron! Do you think NASCAR is just Winston Cup. There are
dozens of divisions that provide as much if not more action and excitement than
those go-carts you seem to be so fond of. I drive a mini-modified at Thompson
Speedway, you wouldn't last 1 minute out there with us. Have a nice day!


bash

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Apr 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/15/98
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AMEN!! There are many divisions of NASCAR(r) Check out your local speedway
and see what they've got going on. I think it's a more PURE race at the
"smaller" level...

Love my local track

baSh
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Amy Grant-Blair

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alve...@pilot.msu.edu wrote:
>
> Why in the hell do watch Nascar when you can see the same thing on the
> highway. CART has competition, speed, technology and passing. Nascar has 500
> miles of drafting. "But in Nascar we swap paint!". If you swap paint in open
> wheel racing, you are dead! Ask Jeff Crosnoff's wife! It is much more
> dangerous and exciting to race 10 inches apart with CART cars then it is to
> drive up the ass end of Dick Trickle. Also, CART doesn't need to take each
> car to a wind tunnel every week to make sure everyone has the same chance of
> winning. How f**king boring. Where is the incentive to be in the lead? How
> about 240mph vs 185mph? How about racing on more than oval tracks? How about
> making a pass without the benifit from the draft? How about passing period?
> Why do you even watch the 490 miles in the middle of the race if no one is
> even trying to be the leader? No one tries to be the leader because then he
> couldn't draft! What a shame!
>
> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading
Let's see:
1). You can actully pronounce the driver's names.
2). Nobody in CART fueds like LaJoie and Jones
3). Nothing like wtching a race with 2 or 3 cars left on the lead lap
4). I watch people drive 90+ on curvey roads everyday
5). Why do most CART drivers resemble trolls?

Amy(Go #3!!)

Jamie

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Amy Grant-Blair wrote:

Why in the world would you go to a NASCAR news group and write something like
that...are you trying to make enemies? If so, you are doing a great job! By the
way, I respect all motor sports, NASCAR being top on my list. Have a nice day!!!


Stephen Gilley

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Apr 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/16/98
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alve...@pilot.msu.edu wrote:
>
> Why in the hell do watch Nascar when you can see the same thing on the
> highway. CART has competition, speed, technology and passing. Nascar has 500
> miles of drafting. "But in Nascar we swap paint!". If you swap paint in open
> wheel racing, you are dead! Ask Jeff Crosnoff's wife! It is much more
> dangerous and exciting to race 10 inches apart with CART cars then it is to
> drive up the ass end of Dick Trickle. Also, CART doesn't need to take each
> car to a wind tunnel every week to make sure everyone has the same chance of
> winning. How f**king boring. Where is the incentive to be in the lead? How
> about 240mph vs 185mph? How about racing on more than oval tracks? How about
> making a pass without the benifit from the draft? How about passing period?
> Why do you even watch the 490 miles in the middle of the race if no one is
> even trying to be the leader? No one tries to be the leader because then he
> couldn't draft! What a shame!
>
> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

I feel sorry for you if this is how you feel. But people that post
messages like this where they know they willpiss people off are pretty
stupid anyway, so regarding your comments, I will just consider the
source.

Dave2503

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Apr 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/16/98
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Dude,

If you don't like NASCAR, then don't fucking watch it!

Dave

David Malinovsky

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Apr 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/16/98
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While the original post was pretty ludicrous, you should try watching a CART
race sometime, very competitive racing and quite fun to watch. Try it next
Sunday when they are at Nazareth it is great stuff.


Douglas J. Butler

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Apr 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/16/98
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alve...@pilot.msu.edu wrote:
>
> Why in the hell do watch Nascar when you can see the same thing on the
> highway. CART has competition, speed, technology and passing. Nascar has 500
> miles of drafting. "But in Nascar we swap paint!". If you swap paint in open
> wheel racing, you are dead! Ask Jeff Crosnoff's wife! It is much more
> dangerous and exciting to race 10 inches apart with CART cars then it is to
> drive up the ass end of Dick Trickle. Also, CART doesn't need to take each
> car to a wind tunnel every week to make sure everyone has the same chance of
> winning. How f**king boring. Where is the incentive to be in the lead? How
> about 240mph vs 185mph? How about racing on more than oval tracks? How about
> making a pass without the benifit from the draft? How about passing period?
> Why do you even watch the 490 miles in the middle of the race if no one is
> even trying to be the leader? No one tries to be the leader because then he
> couldn't draft! What a shame!
>
> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

Obviously trying to get RASN readers in a lather.

Try elsewhere, you'll have better luck. Go insult the imbecils in the
F1 newsgroups.

AMY

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Apr 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/17/98
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Jamie wrote:

>
> Amy Grant-Blair wrote:
>
> > Let's see:
> > 1). You can actully pronounce the driver's names.
> > 2). Nobody in CART fueds like LaJoie and Jones
> > 3). Nothing like wtching a race with 2 or 3 cars left on the lead lap
> > 4). I watch people drive 90+ on curvey roads everyday
> > 5). Why do most CART drivers resemble trolls?
> >
> > Amy(Go #3!!)
>
> Why in the world would you go to a NASCAR news group and write something like
> that...are you trying to make enemies? If so, you are doing a great job! By the
> way, I respect all motor sports, NASCAR being top on my list. Have a nice day!!!


Sorry, I'm new at this. I only wrote the last few lines.

Amy

D O

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Apr 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/18/98
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I happen to enjoy most forms of motor sports.
From fender banging at the short tracks to drafting at the super
speedways.
I've seen some good, close cart races and I'm impressed with nwhat it
takes to run the 24 hours of LeMans.
And if you havn't watched the knee draging world superbike races the
you have denied yourself some of raceings closest and most exciting
racing.
If one of these isn't your thing then change the channel but to claim
your particuler brand of speed is the one and true speed sport not only
makes you look like a fool, but insults the talent and courage of all
the competitors in all venues.

Kelly

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Apr 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/18/98
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Yet ANOTHER reason I hate this newsgroup
(and yes, I know, people are going to ask why I keep posting in
here....I can't help myself)

Cart is Cart..........Nascar is Nascar...they are two COMPLETELY
different things.........I happen to like both. But I know the
difference. I like Nascar better, of course, but cart has it's own
"charm" as well.

Please kids stop bashing....get a life

Richard Rogers

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Apr 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM4/19/98
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Kelly <sad...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<6harti$fkv$1...@newsd-154.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

Exactly...I love watching the CART cars race out at Fontana where they get
going up around 242 mph. (I think it's amazing that anyone can control a
car at that speed. My car feels like I'm going too fast if I go much above
110.) But as for racing generally...Felix Sabates said it best when he
complained that in practice for the Indy 500, you go out, run three laps,
and then come back in and tinker with the car for three hours before you
run again, whereas in NASCAR, you go out and run the car around without
spending 3 weeks tinkering before a race.


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Richard Rogers
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Jun 23, 2020, 7:20:12 PM6/23/20
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After 40 years of being a fan of this sport I have watched my last NASCAR race they have bowed down to everyone but the people who made them and such over the top crap they pulled Monday did it for me, They have forgotten who made NASCAR , I guess they are going down same road as the rest of this country, see where that takes us all.
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