Ken Schrader leaving Hendrick Motorsports?
Fins
Has anyone heard anything about Ken Schrader leaving Hendrick
Motorsports and the Bud Team to go drive the #33 car?
Please fill me in on anything you may have heard
H.B. Elkins
dan...@jove.acs.unt.edu (Daniel Alain Nazar) wrote:
>Fins wrote:
>> Has anyone heard anything about Ken Schrader leaving Hendrick
>> Motorsports and the Bud Team to go drive the #33 car?
I can't understand why KS would want to leave Hendricks. Obviously,
they can field championship-caliber teams (5 and 24). What has the 33
team done lately? I'd rather stick with a proven winning team than go
with a team that seems to have little shot at a Cup championship.
Unless, of course KS is ticked at RH or feels he's getting the short
end of the stick and Labonte and Wonderboy are getting preferential
treatment, then I wouldn't blame him for leaving.
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Daniel Alain Nazar
Fins wrote:
> Has anyone heard anything about Ken Schrader leaving Hendrick
> Motorsports and the Bud Team to go drive the #33 car?
> Please fill me in on anything you may have heard
They(ESPN) confirmed this at MIS... that was about all they said.
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Maybe it wasn't Schrader's decision?
JeffK03
So my dream may come true (Andretti driving for Hendrick again)???
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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:14:25 GMT, hbel...@mis.net (H.B. Elkins)
wrote:
>
>I can't understand why KS would want to leave Hendricks. Obviously,
>they can field championship-caliber teams (5 and 24).
>
Unfortunatley, the poor 25 team _IS_ how Hendrick can field two
championship-caliber teams for Labonte and Gordo.
Hendrick gets himself an extra 32, (race-length) test sessions. Just
ask Rudd about it. Kenny is just the most patient dude currently
behind the wheel of a cup car. Likley, no other driver would put up
with numerous mechanical failures while your other team cars are all
but setting records for reliability.
The thing that bothers me the most about the Hendrick/Schrader
situation is, (It seems this has been all but forgotten) but, If you
remember back to the begining of the '96 season there was a big
announcment that Evernham was being promoted to the role of
'over-seer' for the 24 and 25 cars, still be around for Gordo, but he
was going to bring some of that 24 car wisdom (magic?) to the 25 team.
There was even an announcement that 'technically speaking' the 24 car
would have a new crewchief for the 69 season. Aaa... maybe it's just
the TV coverage, but I don't ever remember the camera ever being stuck
in anyone else's face but Evernham's when the 24 car made news. On the
other side of the deal, when the 25 car has a problem the cameras
don't go to Evernham. Has there been some kind of retraction or
withdrawal of Evernham from 25 team? If so, I'm sure the Budweiser
folks would be a little upset, so I'm sure this move would be kept
quiet.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 33 car, (w/kenny at the controls) has
his fair share of "incidental contact" with the 24 car in 1997.
I getting tired of seeing Brooke Gordon in victory lane, I want to
see more Of Ann and little Holly Schrader.
Daniel Alain Nazar
> >Fins wrote:
> >> Has anyone heard anything about Ken Schrader leaving Hendrick
> >> Motorsports and the Bud Team to go drive the #33 car?
> I can't understand why KS would want to leave Hendricks. Obviously,
> they can field championship-caliber teams (5 and 24). What has the 33
> team done lately? I'd rather stick with a proven winning team than go
> with a team that seems to have little shot at a Cup championship.
Well, the 33 team wouldn't be putting all it's time and effort into the 24
car, that's one advantage.
> Unless, of course KS is ticked at RH or feels he's getting the short
> end of the stick and Labonte and Wonderboy are getting preferential
> treatment, then I wouldn't blame him for leaving.
Well, he does. He's pissed. His car falls apart; the only times he ever
leads a race, his engine usually gives out. But JG and Terry both have
had consistently finishing engines and cars. I think that they're just
using KS, and he's sick of it.
MadMike
Why would schrader leave the 25 for the 33?
Because he'll have ANDY PETREE'S undivided attention.
There's probably no politics going on there, or no
favoratism will be shown.
FWIW: Petree used to crew chief EARHNARDT for many years.
The man knows how to prepare a car. I think Schrader knows
how to drive a car.
Also, the change of scenery can be helpfull. Maybe the
bad luck spell will be broken..
Regards,
MadMike
Dawsonville Georgia
Ron_Steve
In article <4vqiqp$m...@netnews.alf.dec.com> MadMike <m_mac...@vmsnet.enet.dec.com> writes:
>Why would schrader leave the 25 for the 33?
>
>Because he'll have ANDY PETREE'S undivided attention.
>There's probably no politics going on there, or no
>favoratism will be shown.
>
nothing that says it's much worse than the 33 shop. As for the 3 cars vs. 1 car
aspect, it's a tossup... Sure, you get undivided attention, but it's at the expense
of a lot of the shared info (again, no telling how much of the testing data from the
5 and 24 teams was really useful to Schrader)...
>FWIW: Petree used to crew chief EARHNARDT for many years.
>The man knows how to prepare a car. I think Schrader knows
>how to drive a car.
>
Actually, he was only Earnhardt's CC for 3 years (1993-95), but those were quite
successful years with 15 wins and 2 championships in that time. There's no disputing
that Petree knows how to set up a car (remember Harry Gant from 1989-92? that was
Petree) and that's why Childress hired him in the first place. But I can't help
thinking that maybe some of the others have caught up to him. Keep in mind that
Petree was the first to figure out some sneaky speed tricks for the radial tires
(the Gant win streak on short-to-intermediate tracks in '91 was largely due to the
cambered rear end), but then Elliott and the gang caught on early in '92, and
NASCAR stepped in with some regulations as everyone was breaking axles trying to
catch up. Does Petree have many more speed tricks up his sleeve?
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Fins
rst...@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Ron_Steve) wrote:
>In article <4vqiqp$m...@netnews.alf.dec.com> MadMike <m_mac...@vmsnet.enet.dec.com> writes:
>>Why would schrader leave the 25 for the 33?
>>
>>Because he'll have ANDY PETREE'S undivided attention.
>>There's probably no politics going on there, or no
>>favoratism will be shown.
>>
>While the 25 shop is clearly not as state-of-the-art as the 5 and 24 shops, there's
>nothing that says it's much worse than the 33 shop. As for the 3 cars vs. 1 car
>aspect, it's a tossup... Sure, you get undivided attention, but it's at the expense
>of a lot of the shared info (again, no telling how much of the testing data from the
>5 and 24 teams was really useful to Schrader)...
I think you all are forgetting an important fact here. Rick Handrick
can own as many teams as he wants to, but it is still a sponor-driven
sport. Rick can not divide up the money equally between all three
teams. DuPont wants their money to go into the #24 car, and Kellogg's
wnats their money to go into the #5 car. Those teams are more advanced
because the sponors have made it so. Bud has not put the money into
the team like the other two have. If you don't believe me then look at
the winning record Bud has had outside of Rick Hendrick. They didn't
do anything with Bill Elliot either....last time Bud had a strong car
was when Bud was fielding 2 teams....back in the last '80s and it was
Junior Johnson's teams of Darrel Waltrip and Neil Bonnet.
Let's put the blame where it is due...Bud is the cause of their own
failure
Troy Allen Nolen
: Or is it that maybee hendrick is tired of Kenny tearing up his cars and
: Not finishing races. Or maybee because he hasnt won a race in 5 years
: in fact he hasnt even come close to winning since 93. Lets face it
: Kenny's Glory days are over, he's all washed up!
Carl Zager
1. There are no classier owners in NASCAR than the Jacksons. Ask Harry
Gant.
2. Multiple car teams require different management styles than
single-driver teams. Kenny is a hands-on driver/owner in his own right and
is down the food chain with Hendrick Motor Sports.
3. Kenny will probably be making the jump to his own shop at the end of his
Jackson contract. What he learns and contributes in the 33 shop will be
more like what he needs for his own team. Darrell and Ricky jumped from
Hendrick right into their own teams. Did Geoff Bodine go directly from
Hendrick to self-owned, or was there another team for part of a year?
Kenny's path will be an interesting comparison.
4. Most of the sponsorship comments are positive that Budweiser's deal is
with Hendrick. The line between sponsor contracts with owners and/or
drivers is not as clear as it once was (If if ever really was!). Rudd took
Tide with him when he left HMS. Remember Hooters and the 7 car after AK's
death? K-Mart (Kresge)'s deal with the 37 car has as much to do with the
Andretti realtionship as with Kranefuss-Haas. Many of these deals are as
complicated as the relationships between Penske Auto-Centers, Haas, Miller
Beer, Sears-Craftsman, Rahal-Hogan, and all the drivers, sponsors, and
racing leagues. Just remember these two additional factors: Kenny and
Budweiser are St. Louis entities, and the tobacco companies' (Skoal and
Winston in this scenario) participation is problematic at best.
:: Carl
Paul E. Cox
As for your first statement; if that was the case then Hendrick would
have let Kenny go,ie;he would have fired him. that is not the case here.
As for your second, "he's all washed up" that remains to be seen.Maybe? A
change in teams is all that is needed.
Besides Rick Hendrick is not the owner of the 25 team. The owner of the
25 team is Joseph P. Hendrick,whoever that is?
Paul E. Cox <<<< 28 GO ERNIE 28 >>>>
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Neil Rentschler
Papa Joe is his father.
Paul E. Cox
Neil Rentschler wrote:
>
> Papa Joe is his father.
Thank you for the info. But I must admit that I made a mistake in car
owners;the owner of the 25 team is listed and Joseph Hendrick Jr. Is that
still his father or is it his brother? Would like to know.
Paul E. Cox <<<< GO ERNIE >>>>
sli...@ix.netcom.com <<< GO DALE >>>
Nick Totoro
Fins wrote:
<<I think you all are forgetting an important fact here. Rick
Handrick can own as many teams as he wants to, but it is still a
sponor-driven sport.>>
Actually, any one person can own no more than two teams.
Technically speaking, The #25 team is "owned" by Joseph Hendrick, Rick
Hendrick's father.
Nick
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Fins
>Besides Rick Hendrick is not the owner of the 25 team. The owner of the
>25 team is Joseph P. Hendrick,whoever that is?
Joseph P. Hendrick, aka Pappy Joe, is Rick Hendrick's father. Rick
Hendrick is very much the owner of that team, he just lists his dad as
the owner so he doesn't have to buy him an extra NASCAR ID
mpr...@usit.net
Fins <Fi...@clt.mindspring.com> wrote:
>I think you all are forgetting an important fact here. Rick Handrick
>can own as many teams as he wants to, but it is still a sponor-driven
>sport.
He cannot own as many teams as he wants to. One person is only
allowed to own two teams. That is why the 25 car is in Papa Joes
name. I dont know how JR has his done.
Mark
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Fins
Joseph Hendrick Jr. is Rick's father. Rick Hendrick actual name is
Joseph Richard Hendrick III and his son is Joseph Richard Hendrick IV.
OR you can use the names everyone else does: Papa Joe, Rick, and Ricky
Erik
Nick Totoro <nto...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Fins wrote:
>
> <<I think you all are forgetting an important fact here. Rick
>Handrick can own as many teams as he wants to, but it is still a
>sponor-driven sport.>>
>
>Technically speaking, The #25 team is "owned" by Joseph Hendrick, Rick
>Hendrick's father.
> Nick
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What about Roush?
Dan Pinkham
In article <4vr841$1a...@mule0.mindspring.com>,
Fins <Fi...@clt.mindspring.com> wrote:
>I think you all are forgetting an important fact here. Rick Handrick
>can own as many teams as he wants to, but it is still a sponor-driven
>sport. Rick can not divide up the money equally between all three
>teams. DuPont wants their money to go into the #24 car, and Kellogg's
>wnats their money to go into the #5 car. Those teams are more advanced
>because the sponors have made it so. Bud has not put the money into
>the team like the other two have. If you don't believe me then look at
>the winning record Bud has had outside of Rick Hendrick. They didn't
>do anything with Bill Elliot either....last time Bud had a strong car
>was when Bud was fielding 2 teams....back in the last '80s and it was
>Junior Johnson's teams of Darrel Waltrip and Neil Bonnet.
>
>Let's put the blame where it is due...Bud is the cause of their own
>failure
>
Then how is it that Budweiser has been so successful in other forms
of racing? Their racing programs in other areas are heavy hitters,
occasionally dominating.
I don't think it's fair to blame Budweiser, for Schrader's performance.
I think they have been, at the least, patient.
Dan
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>
> Then how is it that Budweiser has been so successful in other forms
> of racing? Their racing programs in other areas are heavy hitters,
> occasionally dominating.
> I don't think it's fair to blame Budweiser, for Schrader's performance.
> I think they have been, at the least, patient.
The Budweiser Unlimited Hydroplane that has been the dominate boat for
as long as anyone can remember is doing just about as well as Schrader
this year. No wins yet and is a solid third place boat.
Heard that August Bush III is more interrested in Concerts than racing
for his advertising dollars.
Steve
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In article <3227A986...@newtech.com>,
Steven Eberhart <new...@newtech.com> wrote:
>The Budweiser Unlimited Hydroplane that has been the dominate boat for
>as long as anyone can remember is doing just about as well as Schrader
>this year. No wins yet and is a solid third place boat.
Let's not forget that the #1 pilot has been out too.....
Greg MacPherson
On Fri, 30 Aug 96 13:39:54 GMT, pink...@nh.ultranet.com (Dan Pinkham)
wrote:
>I don't think it's fair to blame Budweiser, for Schrader's performance.
>I think they have been, at the least, patient.
This is an interesting line of discussion. Mark Martin can't even win
a race, for goodness sake. Dale Earnhardt is fourth in the points and
still has a legitimate shot at winning the title. Schrader is seventh
in the points and everyone is talking about what a total failure he's
been.
By comparison to T. Labonte and Gordon, Schrader may not be quite as
impressive, but there are almost 35 series regulars who would take
Schrader's '96 record in a second.
If Bud is going to spend any time worrying about its drivers', they
surely would be concerned with others, beside Schrader. Paul Tracy has
been a disaster, and the squabbling with the Miss Bud unlimited
hydroplane has been embarassing.
Schrader is seventh in the Winston Cup standings and is widely
considered to be one of the most popular drivers with the fans....
what's wrong with that?
Dan Pinkham
In article <50hmvg$t...@news.inforamp.net>,
gre...@inforamp.net (Greg MacPherson) wrote:
>Schrader is seventh in the Winston Cup standings and is widely
>considered to be one of the most popular drivers with the fans....
>what's wrong with that?
Nothing is wrong with 7th. There are a ton of others out there
that would love to be there.
As far as being popular with the fans go, I think there are a lot
of fans that would disagree with you.
Now this isn't to start a holy war against Ken Schrader.
It's just a comment.
I was lucky enough to get into the Budweiser hospitality area at
the Loudon event for some chow/beer and an 'appearance' by Kenny
after the time trials had been completed.
The guy was so rude it was incredible.
Now I don't want ot hear a bunch of stuff about how everyone can
have a bad day. This was not an autograph session at a mall,
it wasn't an appearance at a burger stand, it was at his sponsor's
tent, the purpose to meet the distributors, salespeople etc etc..
In other words, the people that give him the money.
He had no class whatsoever. In the poster/autograph line the woman
in front of me told him how much her daughter liked him and he was her
favorite, blah blah.... he never even looked at her when he handed her the
poster. didn't say one word. When it was my turn, I just said tell Jeff and
Terry good luck for me, and followed the woman out. The last thing I wanted
was an autographed poster of Kenny Schrader, if it was going to be such a
chore for him. His tv guy, and in person guy were not quite the same.
On the job done by Bud, it was as you'd expect. Class every bit of the way.
Biggest tent, bestest coldest beer, all the vittles you'd could ask for.
Even the race simulator. To bad they had such a dud guest.
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gre...@inforamp.net (Greg MacPherson) wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Aug 96 13:39:54 GMT, pink...@nh.ultranet.com (Dan Pinkham)
>wrote:
>>I don't think it's fair to blame Budweiser, for Schrader's performance.
>>I think they have been, at the least, patient.
>If Bud is going to spend any time worrying about its drivers', they
>surely would be concerned with others, beside Schrader. Paul Tracy has
>been a disaster, and the squabbling with the Miss Bud unlimited
>hydroplane has been embarassing.
Bud doesn't sponsor Paul Tracy now. They sponsor Christian Fittipaldi,
and he is having a decent year in CART.
Miss Bud is the victim of "level the field" rules in UHRA.(Hmm.. that
sounds like NASCAR..) Regulating fuel flow rates to the turbine
engines. They also lost the best boat racer ever in Chip Hanauer.